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Dragunov
08-03-2009, 01:20 AM
The Canadian Press
Smuggled U.S. guns responsible for most Canadian armed crime: report
By Bob Weber (CP) – 4 days ago

A new study suggests most of the guns used to commit crimes in Canada have been smuggled in from the United States.

The study, published Wednesday in the Journal of Criminology and Criminal Justice, found that the best available data suggests that about two-thirds of crime guns seized in Canada have their origin south of the border. It's a situation the Americans would be unlikely to accept if it were reversed, said one of the report's authors.

"The U.S. never hesitates to draw attention to threats to its security," said Wendy Cukier of Ryerson University, one of the report's authors and a prominent gun control activist.

"Canada seldom points to the obvious fact that lax U.S. gun laws not only result in high numbers of Americans being killed with guns, but fuel the illegal gun trade and handgun homicide in Canada, in Mexico, in the Caribbean and indeed around the world."

The study, conducted by Cukier as well as researchers in the U.S. and Great Britain, looked at the underground market between the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

"It is not possible to determine with certainty the percentage of guns used in crime in Canada or Mexico that have been illegally exported from the Unites States, but there is some relevant evidence available that indicates the proportion is high," the study says.

"There are very few cases that show handguns used in crime coming from anywhere other than the USA."

In 2006, Toronto police successfully traced back 181 guns used in crimes to their original sale. The source of 120 of them was the U.S.

An Ontario-wide gun tracing program found that 69 per cent of 705 guns used in 2007 in crimes in that province could be traced to the U.S. About 90 per cent of those guns were either restricted or prohibited in Canada.

That same year, the Canadian Firearms Program reported that of the 710 guns used by criminals it was able to trace in 2007, 54 per cent were smuggled.

And last year, Canadian customs officials say they seized 514 restricted and prohibited weapons. Customs officials stop about three per cent of the traffic that flows across the border.

"The patterns seem well-established," said Cukier in an email.

Most of the smuggled guns - and guns used in crime - are handguns. The majority of rifles and shotguns used in crimes originate in Canada.

Criminal gangs are the recipients of most of the smuggled guns.

"Illegal trafficked weapons are primarily used by criminal groups of varying degrees of organization," the report says.

Still, it's tough to get complete data on the sources of guns used in crimes.

Many crime guns aren't recovered. Serial numbers are often erased and unrecoverable. And it's doubly difficult to track guns from countries outside the U.S., such as China, Cukier said.

Cukier said Canada should step up its efforts to fight gun-running.

"Canada should be taking a lead role in international efforts to combat the illicit trade in small arms," she said.

Canada has yet to ratify the UN Firearms Protocol, under which countries promise to do more to fight the illegal traffic in small arms around the world.

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BRAVO JULIET
08-03-2009, 01:23 AM
with all our guns going North and south, are there any guns in the US?

ex Strathcona
08-03-2009, 01:35 AM
with all our guns going North and south, are there any guns in the US?

if it's any consolation, in exchange for your drain on firearms your getting some great quality marijuana.

Fintin
08-03-2009, 01:48 AM
if it's any consolation, in exchange for your drain on firearms your getting some great quality marijuana.

Epic ironic point. I would like to see a cross reference of data between drugs coming into the US from Canada and guns going the other way...

BRAVO JULIET
08-03-2009, 02:03 AM
Epic ironic point. I would like to see a cross reference of data between drugs coming into the US from Canada and guns going the other way...
coincidentally that can apply for the Mexican border too. now this is just a WAG, but id bet that most Illegal gun crimes* in canada (and mexico) are Drug related.




*I know all gun crimes are illegal.

BigDukaroo
08-03-2009, 02:30 AM
What would Canadians need with guns? I'll just assume it's to protect their igloos from the French.

ex Strathcona
08-03-2009, 02:36 AM
What would Canadians need with guns? I'll just assume it's to protect their igloos from the French.

and those Danes who want the secret gold buried under Hans island!

MaverickCowboy
08-03-2009, 02:44 AM
Simple. Ban people. No people. no problem.

[ KOOSHAB ]
08-03-2009, 03:12 AM
What would Canadians need with guns? I'll just assume it's to protect their igloos from the French.

What about Polar Bears?
They'll put the smackdown on ya'

mas36
08-03-2009, 06:59 AM
The Canadian Press

"Illegal trafficked weapons are primarily used by criminal groups of varying degrees of organization," the report says.



Therein lies the best arguement why firearms should not be banned.

Behan
08-03-2009, 08:31 AM
So the U.S. gave the Canadians gun crime and the Canadians gave the U.S. Alanis Morissette. Personally, I think the Canucks came out ahead in that transaction.

Johnny_H
08-03-2009, 09:41 AM
Objectively speaking, where else could they come from? We don't border any other countries. Its kind of a moot point.

szr
08-03-2009, 09:57 AM
Canada needs a fence:



If you mine it well enough, not only will it keep the illegal guns out, but it'll keep those 'Mericans from stealin' yer jobs.

bshnt2015
08-03-2009, 10:15 AM
BC bud Hmmmmmmmm

What's the stats regarding assaults/robberies via knife/basebat bat-club/ and long rifle/shotgun vs the use of handguns? On an average border crossing into Canada 20-30 thousand per day if not more, what is the percentage of the Canadian customs inspectors directed to stopping gun running vs collection of revenue on dairy products, alcohol and cigarettes? Lastly, didn't the Canadian customs inspectors run away from their post when US authorities chase a homicide suspect towards the Canadian border and left travellers hiding in their cars. So how are they going to stop gun running when they won't stay at their post? I need my BC bud now. ; )

Flounder
08-03-2009, 11:12 AM
^ That incident and others happened because at the time, our border guards were unarmed. Can't say I'd exactly be sticking around thwe border booth armed with nothing but my devilish good looks and witty repartee. At least we are giving them guns now.

HOLLiS
08-03-2009, 11:56 AM
if it's any consolation, in exchange for your drain on firearms your getting some great quality marijuana.


Don't forget to mention Canadian Beer.

West Texican
08-03-2009, 12:02 PM
Part of the solution would require Canadians to obey the laws of Canada and quit buying illegal weapons. IMHO

Linedoggie
08-03-2009, 12:37 PM
Part of the solution would require Canadians to obey the laws of Canada and quit buying illegal weapons. IMHO
Ahh but what if there not Canadians who are buying the Illegal Weapons?

Concieveably they could be Central & South American & US Illegals, Russian Mafia, Middle Eastern, etc.

And how much of this problem also stems from Smuggling through the St. Regis Indian Reservation? I know they had a few RPG's during the last Confrontation. Last time I looked Walmart or Joe's Gun's dont carry RPG's

brainplay
08-03-2009, 04:38 PM
Don't forget to mention Canadian Beer.

And bad actors....p-)

BRAVO JULIET
08-03-2009, 04:54 PM
Don't forget to mention Canadian Beer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HGPh8Hjyg8

NuckmasterJ
08-03-2009, 05:54 PM
Wendy Cukier

Alright everyone, you can ignore the article. Wendy Cukier is a crack pot who has no background in criminal justice if I remember correctly. She's an anti-gun crackpot whom loves the lime light and has enough media connections that any time someone want's so do an article on guns are evil her name pops up twenty times.

Some reading on her; http://101people.blogspot.com/2007/02/54-wendy-cukier.html

Dan2004
08-03-2009, 06:11 PM
Canada needs a fence:



If you mine it well enough, not only will it keep the illegal guns out, but it'll keep those 'Mericans from stealin' yer jobs.

You forgot the MG nests. They should be automated, to ensure unbiased operation. Anything 98.6°F with a pulse that comes within 300m of either side gets lit up. p-)

3rdMillhouse
08-03-2009, 06:53 PM
I thought Canadians were responsible for crime in Canada, seems like I was wrong.

JJC
08-03-2009, 07:00 PM
U.S. bitches about Mexicans crossing the borders; Canada moans about U.S. smuggling guns. Why can't we both learn a lesson from North Korea on how to protect national borders?

Mastermind
08-03-2009, 07:13 PM
Canadians should stop smugging US weapons....problem solved, eh!

By the wey, hoser...I love that Green Beer....eh?

Fade
08-03-2009, 07:16 PM
Canadians should stop smugging US weapons....problem solved, eh!

By the wey, hoser...I love that Green Beer....eh?
I hope you enjoy the Celine Dion, too

;-)

Power_serj
08-03-2009, 07:17 PM
I thought Canadians were responsible for crime in Canada, seems like I was wrong.

Nope, George W. Bush is.

Mastermind
08-03-2009, 07:27 PM
I hope you enjoy the Celine Dion, too

;-)
Yep...and that mustard, too.p-)

Vince S
08-03-2009, 07:47 PM
Ahh but what if there not Canadians who are buying the Illegal Weapons?

Concieveably they could be Central & South American & US Illegals, Russian Mafia, Middle Eastern, etc.

And how much of this problem also stems from Smuggling through the St. Regis Indian Reservation? I know they had a few RPG's during the last Confrontation. Last time I looked Walmart or Joe's Gun's dont carry RPG's


All sorts of things come from Akwesasne... When paintball was illegal in Canada guess who brought some in?

Canadian Sig
08-03-2009, 07:48 PM
They smuggle in airsoft as well? rofl

Vince S
08-03-2009, 07:49 PM
They smuggle in airsoft as well? rofl


Still not 100% illegal p-) But hey you guessed right ;)

Canadian Sig
08-03-2009, 07:53 PM
Awesome......lol



Not a 100% illegal but real hard to find and pretty heavily regulated.

MaverickCowboy
08-04-2009, 12:02 AM
All sorts of things come from Akwesasne... When paintball was illegal in Canada guess who brought some in?

Paintball was illegal in Canada?

didnt Germany outlaw Paintball?

StinkyStreet
08-04-2009, 08:03 AM
Canada needs a fence:



If you mine it well enough, not only will it keep the illegal guns out, but it'll keep those 'Mericans from stealin' yer jobs.


winning idea woot

Mackie
08-04-2009, 08:38 AM
Paintball was illegal in Canada?

didnt Germany outlaw Paintball?

No.

But we have still East Germans with experience securing borders.
"Hands up Yankee. Zis is ze Canadian border patrol"