Has the Assault Weapon Ban rhetoric died down yet?

[MaverickCowboy]

I was just wondering, has the talk and mainstream debate for gun control calmed down lately?

[Slouch]

There was some coverage on this in the International Tribune the other day-

[PALADIN]

There was some coverage on this in the International Tribune the other day-



Ummm...wat.

[nullterm]

There was some coverage on this in the International Tribune the other day-

Good read, nice overview of where the issue sits. But I think the author is a bit biased. Damned Liberal media.

[BRAVO JULIET]

Gold Account? you take Visa? I need to know if my guns are safe!

[Slouch]

Gold Account? you take Visa? I need to know if my guns are safe!

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[Skutatos]

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[StuRat]

PM sent

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[BRAVO JULIET]

Didnt Bellingham blow up like 10 years ago?

[Skutatos]

Didnt Bellingham blow up like 10 years ago?

I wish.........

It made a good effort though:
http://murray.senate.gov/images/news/smoke-full.jpg

[Power_serj]

Yes the gun control debate has simmered down. Don't be fooled, it will come back once Obama is done with his whole health care thing (in about 6 years).

[Lazuris]

I would say that it depends on the midterm election. If the democrats still hold both houses then my money in on a push on the ban. If they loose a house then all bets off. They are smart enough to know that they won 2008 by winning votes that would not normally vote democrat. If they piss off that voting block then they know they will loose in the midterm elections.

[AOCBravo2004]

Yes the gun control debate has simmered down. Don't be fooled, it will come back once Obama is done with his whole health care thing (in about 6 years).

6 years? Talk about optimistic.....

[Power_serj]

More like Pessimistic.

[AOCBravo2004]

More like Pessimistic.

Well I am going to be optimistic and say that Obama will be flying back to Illinois on SAM 29000 on 01/20/13

[Geezah]

I would say that it depends on the midterm election. If the democrats still hold both houses then my money in on a push on the ban. If they loose a house then all bets off. They are smart enough to know that they won 2008 by winning votes that would not normally vote democrat. If they piss off that voting block then they know they will loose in the midterm elections.

Agreed, 2010, then we will see what comes down the pipeline.

[59Diesel]

I do not think he is going to go after it soon. It's all slide of hand. He votes on some pro gun stuff. Then turns around and BAM AWB. Why do you think Ammo and Gun Sales are still high.

I work in the industry currently and even Wildcat Ammo is going quicly or supplies to make them.

Then again. hopefully he is a 1 term President. Lets not forget during the Clinton years when it got Pushed through Demon Crats slowly started losing their control.

If it was my choice 1934 and 1986 Firearms Acts would be torn shredded burned and out the window.

[Laconian]

If it was my choice 1934 and 1986 Firearms Acts would be torn shredded burned and out the window.

The NFA (National Firearms Act of 1934) is a tax law. How many Federal tax laws do you know that get repealed? The GCA (Gun Control Act of 1968) is a criminal code. Neither one is going anywhere. There is a Federal interest in regulating the firearms industry.

[59Diesel]

The NFA (National Firearms Act of 1934) is a tax law. How many Federal tax laws do you know that get repealed? The GCA (Gun Control Act of 1968) is a criminal code. Neither one is going anywhere. There is a Federal interest in regulating the firearms industry.

My gun rights shall not be infringed. I should have to pay $200 to have Ear Protection or a Fully Auto.

Gun lengths. Another stupid Law. It doesn't matter criminals are still obtaining sawed offs and SBR's and FA but I have to pay for it. :|

It is wrong and stupid. There has only been one confirmed case of illegal use of a FA purchased. Surprisingly by a COP.

I shouldn't have to pay $16K for a M16A1 and on top of that get approved.

While theese criminals are getting them for cheaper and more of them.

It's a shame and shouldn't be allowed.

Gun rights = Crock.

[GlassHarp]

My gun rights shall not be infringed. I should have to pay $200 to have Ear Protection or a Fully Auto.

Gun lengths. Another stupid Law. It doesn't matter criminals are still obtaining sawed offs and SBR's and FA but I have to pay for it. :|

It is wrong and stupid. There has only been one confirmed case of illegal use of a FA purchased. Surprisingly by a COP.

I shouldn't have to pay $16K for a M16A1 and on top of that get approved.

While theese criminals are getting them for cheaper and more of them.

It's a shame and shouldn't be allowed.

Gun rights = Crock.


I agree. You should run for president!

[Laconian]

My gun rights shall not be infringed. I should have to pay $200 to have Ear Protection or a Fully Auto.
You may have heard of the commerce clause of the Constitution, giving Congress authority to regulate interstate/foreign commerce. Since the Firearms industry is an interstate business Congress has the Constitutional authority to make laws regulating it.

Gun lengths. Another stupid Law. It doesn't matter criminals are still obtaining sawed offs and SBR's and FA but I have to pay for it. :|

And when they break the law, they go to jail. In fact anyone with an NFA weapon that isn't registered, is a criminal because possession of an unregistered one is a violation of law.So yeah, you have to pay the tax. You're a good American and want to pay your taxes don't you?

It is wrong and stupid. There has only been one confirmed case of illegal use of a FA purchased. Surprisingly by a COP.

What are you talking about? There's only been one confirmed case of illegal firearms use?

I shouldn't have to pay $16K for a M16A1 and on top of that get approved.

Price?That's a market issue.

While theese criminals are getting them for cheaper and more of them.

It's a shame and shouldn't be allowed.

Gun rights = Crock.

In your opinion, just anybody should be allowed to own any weapon system they want, right? We're just supposed to trust anybody with the money to make good decisions all the time: There shouldn't be a prohibition on felons, drug users, illegal aliens, mental defectives, those with dishonorable discharges, or fugitives for possessing firearms. You're right, we should just let anybody buy, sell, make, import or export whatever weapons they choose, regardless of how they do it without regard for safety, engineering or any other factor, because, hey, it's in the Constitution. And we shouldn't serial number weapons or mark 'em up with manufacturer, model or importer names because that would be way too easy to help solve a gun crime. We shouldn't have Federal enhancements to crimes like drug trafficking, bank robbery or other crimes of violence involving firearms because state judicial systems, man, once they put somebody in jail they stay there.

Your whole retort was idiotic.

[MaverickCowboy]

In your opinion, just anybody should be allowed to own any weapon system they want, right? We're just supposed to trust anybody with the money to make good decisions all the time: There shouldn't be a prohibition on felons, drug users, illegal aliens, mental defectives, those with dishonorable discharges, or fugitives for possessing firearms. You're right, we should just let anybody buy, sell, make, import or export whatever weapons they choose, regardless of how they do it without regard for safety, engineering or any other factor, because, hey, it's in the Constitution. And we shouldn't serial number weapons or mark 'em up with manufacturer, model or importer names because that would be way too easy to help solve a gun crime. We shouldn't have Federal enhancements to crimes like drug trafficking, bank robbery or other crimes of violence involving firearms because state judicial systems, man, once they put somebody in jail they stay there.

Your whole retort was idiotic.

what he meant was the only report of the criminal use of a legally owned NFA machine gun was by a police officer.

and he feels that the 86 ban on new machine guns driving those guns prohibitively expensive is wrong. thats not a market issue, that was caused by congress.

[Geezah]

There have been two illegal uses of NFA registered firearms, one of which was a LEO in Ohio who used the department owned select-fire firearm(Mach 10, I believe) to kill an informant.

[59Diesel]

I agree. You should run for president!

Way to many people have said that. I don't think I could be a politician cause I would strangle just about every other one.


In your opinion, just anybody should be allowed to own any weapon system they want, right? We're just supposed to trust anybody with the money to make good decisions all the time: There shouldn't be a prohibition on felons, drug users, illegal aliens, mental defectives, those with dishonorable discharges, or fugitives for possessing firearms. You're right, we should just let anybody buy, sell, make, import or export whatever weapons they choose, regardless of how they do it without regard for safety, engineering or any other factor, because, hey, it's in the Constitution. And we shouldn't serial number weapons or mark 'em up with manufacturer, model or importer names because that would be way too easy to help solve a gun crime. We shouldn't have Federal enhancements to crimes like drug trafficking, bank robbery or other crimes of violence involving firearms because state judicial systems, man, once they put somebody in jail they stay there.

Your whole retort was idiotic.

Alright lets break this down. No I do not believe that everyone should own a firearm. Simple fact is no matter how many gun laws go into effect criminals are still going to get theres. Black MArket has a demand and it works. Im sorry but the local crips arent' going to there nearest SOT and getting approval to buy a M16A1. Does not work that way. Every gun that some gangbanger uses or the FA in use in Mexico are BM weapons.

Apparently you haven't caught up on Montanas new gun law you live there if it's made there. You can own it and Feds can't do anything about it. Don't even need to be checked. woot Big Props to Montana for taking state rights back.

Many other states are following behind Montana making there own gun bills. America is taking America back. I know Ohio has quite a few through right now also.

Please stop thinking that every gun used in a crime is LEGALLY purchased. Cause about 95% is not it's a BM or a Stolen gun.

Look to the post below thats what I was trying to say. $200 dollars for approval and the prices of the "market" brought on buy congress. Is a sham and we should be able to purchase anything new. Just like the LEO/Military can use. I miss it being able to play with the new guns. M4 the things when you are a civilian you really miss out on unless some circumstances. SOT and Dealer Samples which are very expensive also.


There have been two illegal uses of NFA registered firearms, one of which was a LEO in Ohio who used the department owned select-fire firearm(Mach 10, I believe) to kill an informant.

YEs I am pretty sure thats it. I haven't heard of any other crime. I have seen reports of stolen ones and suppressors yet really no crime by a legally owned NFA system.

[Geezah]

Please stop thinking that every gun used in a crime is LEGALLY purchased. Cause about 95% is not it's a BM or a Stolen gun.

Laconian is one of the good guys, he's just got more of a view from the inside looking out than the rest of us.:)

[Laconian]

Call me silly, call me sentimental, but I kinda like the idea that of all the NFA registered weapons only 2 documented cases are traced to shooting incidents. It makes me think that the system is working somewhat and keeping those type weapons out of the hands of folks that maybe shouldn't have them. I have no problem paying the tax on the stuff I want to register.

I seriously doubt that 95% of all crime guns come from the black market or are stolen. At some point almost all crime guns (NFA stuff not withstanding) are diverted from the legitimate firearms market to the illegal one. (This pre-supposes that a legal gun owner wouldn't commit a crime with his or her gun they had obtained legally. Although this does happen, just not very often in my experience) This would include straw purchasers working for firearms traffickers (which is in a sense Black Market)or those non-prohibited persons that supply guns to boyfriends, girlfriends, relatives etc. (a one or two gun straw purchase is not the Black Market), guns stolen in transit, or from an FFL or residential burglary or dealt illegally out the back of a shop. There are a lot of legally purchased guns that wind up in the hands of bad guys for a number of reasons.

[BRAVO JULIET]

Personally, as a big gun rights person, i dont think everyone needs a FA weapon. it is unnessecary for home defence.


what he meant was the only report of the criminal use of a legally owned NFA machine gun was by a police officer.

ban police officers?

[Geezah]

Personally, as a big gun rights person, i dont think everyone needs a FA weapon. it is unnessecary for home defence.

Now stop right there sonnyp-)

It has nothing to do with needs, it's about wanting. The current Government would love nothing more than to supply only with what we need, but luckily being America we can still get(to a point) what we want.

[BRAVO JULIET]

Now stop right there sonnyp-)

It has nothing to do with needs, it's about wanting. The current Government would love nothing more than to supply only with what we need, but luckily being America we can still get(to a point) what we want.
no,no,no, i agree with you, thats why i think the current system of if you can afford it you can have it works.

[gaijinsamurai]

I hope this recent tragedy in Pennsylvania won't give much fuel to the anti-gun folks.

[59Diesel]

Personally, as a big gun rights person, i dont think everyone needs a FA weapon. it is unnessecary for home defence.


ban police officers?

I have many weapons I would not even grab a pistol. HD is my 870. Never fails and knockdown power in a CQB enviroment.

Now if I see some idiots coming my way from my fields then I am going to grab something that I can reach out and touch somebody with.

I just hate the fact even though I work in the industry. That I have to get approved then pay $200 dollars then purchase what I want.

It's sad that I have more money invested in the Suppressor fees and cost. Then I do in my M9 or some of my other systems.

Suppressors DD's and FA I can see the Tax and approval. But SBS and SBR is plane stupid when Canada length does not matter or Austrailia and other countrys.

I guess I just miss my M4 to much. But not enough that I am going to get into Airsoftrofl

It's not the same feeling. :|

[MaverickCowboy]

I hope this recent tragedy in Pennsylvania won't give much fuel to the anti-gun folks.

It will. check Brady's page once in a while.

[SilentType]

Dianne Feinstein who I think it is fair to say is a senior Democrat and the author of the 1994 AWB has already informed us that it will happen, but at a time of her choosing.

So, it all depends on how quickly health care and cap and trade can be pushed through. If both very controversial bills are passed before the Spring of 2010 when primary races start for the 2010 midterm elections than I think it is fair to say that there will be an AWB attempt. However, if they reach spring of 2010 and no AWB has yet been brought to the floor for a vote I would say unless the Democrats really want to lose control of at least one chamber of Congress we'll be safe until at least after the election.

If the Democrats retain control of both the House and Senate after the 2010 midterm than I would say that an AWB is CERTAIN sometime in 2011 provided the economy is not poor or the war in Afghanistan hasn't become hugely unpopular.

[SilentType]

Personally, as a big gun rights person, i dont think everyone needs a FA weapon. it is unnessecary for home defence.


ban police officers?

There is a reason that the military and law enforcement use FA weapons. If you're going to have a weapon purpose built for defense be legal than you should allow for every feature that provides for improved defense available.

I have zero problem requiring people to register and go through background checks for FA weapons at the STATE level. However, I do have a problem with the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 FOPA that says that no civilian can own a machinegun registered after 1986 in the same way that they can have one registered before 1986. Now yes, I know that civilians can own new machineguns if they submit to even more restraints and conditions that frankly are in my opinion tantamount to a total ban in effect.

I take issue with the 1968 GCA's ban on the import of "assault weapons" as well. The parts count 922r requirements are frankly a pain in the butt and a joke in terms of practical enforcement anyways. That measure was simply put in place to block foreign sales. Just have to follow the money trail in the legislative history on that one. If the liberals are worried about "cheap AKs" fine than simply put in place a tarriff raising the price slightly and problem solved.

I also seriously dislike the NFA Chief Law Enforcement Officer requirement. I know there is the "Trust" option, but frankly the idea that a CLEO can simple for any arbitrary reason approve or disapprove of my Constitutional Right is upsetting.

There is a difference between regulations and bans. A well regulated militia is not a well "banned" militia. You meet the requirements to be counted as a member of the militia you get the right to FA weapons.

[MaverickCowboy]

Now yes, I know that civilians can own new machineguns if they submit to even more restraints and conditions that frankly are in my opinion tantamount to a total ban in effect.



I would like to know please.

[Geezah]

I would like to know please.

I think he is refering to being a Class III dealer, that way you can own Post Sample select fire weapons. That's how I've been able to shoot alot of the modern select fire weapons out there because the people that own them are dealers.

[Geezah]

I hope this recent tragedy in Pennsylvania won't give much fuel to the anti-gun folks.

I read a story yesterday that had blip from the Brady Bunch, but can't find it now. I think it was in reference to CCW and how it is dangerous.

[California Joe]

Look, you can't expect the Brady crew and their ilk to ever go away. They're still there doing what they always do, just as the NRA is lobbying their asses off right now too.

The anti gun rhetoric itself isn't as prevailent in the national media simply because they have other issues to run their sucks about at the moment.

They'll get to it sooner or later and the coverage will be predictable.

I think a large part of the problem is that special interests and people with partisan agendas have now gotten to the point where they're actually quite good at using the ever hungry 24 hour news cycle to further their interests.

It's planned fear, outrage, horror, sadness, etc that is largely manufactured by, and for the news with the sole purpose of appealing to ratings. It appeals to the basest human instincts.

[HOLLiS]

Look, you can't expect the Brady crew and their ilk to ever go away. They're still there doing what they always do, just as the NRA is lobbying their asses off right now too.

The anti gun rhetoric itself isn't as prevailent in the national media simply because they have other issues to run their sucks about at the moment.

They'll get to it sooner or later and the coverage will be predictable.

I think a large part of the problem is that special interests and people with partisan agendas have now gotten to the point where they're actually quite good at using the ever hungry 24 hour news cycle to further their interests.

It's planned fear, outrage, horror, sadness, etc that is largely manufactured by, and for the news with the sole purpose of appealing to ratings. It appeals to the basest human instincts.


Thought it was worth saying again. Sure seems that way to me too. 24 hours news media circus is _______________.

[California Joe]

To answer the threads initial premise....Bottom line is, if you aren't hearing it on the news constantly, then yes it has died down. That doesn't mean that the antis still aren't working at what they do. And they are nothing if not zealous. Duh.

[59Diesel]

I would like to know please.

You need to become a dealer or Manufacturer. It's expensive and a PITA. I work for a dealer now and the stuff he had to go through is a PITA. Mind you the ATF basically owns you whenever you have a NFA weapon.

Gun's laws have some of the most supidest meanings ever including the NFA weapons. No hand grip on a pistol or it becomes a AOW.

I can go on all day. Basically if you want to get into Post Guns you need to become a delaer or manufacturer and break out the check book.