"He didn't have a chance"

[ariweiner]

NOTE: Might be considered to be Graphic Footage

edit: Ok, wrong link. Try this (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/videoplayer/newVid/framesource2.html?clip=/media/2004/06/29/video626692.rm&sec=201&vidId=201&title=Deadly$@$Baghdad$@$Slum&hitboxMLC=national)

[mack pl]

Cool video. Good job US.

:)

[budanski]

For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Kerry's bid for pres.

Is it any surprise you titled it "He didnt have a chance", anyone new to the forums would've mistaken your empathy towards the soldiers who were injured from the I.E.D. but instead most of us know better...

[Argyll]

Big foking deal,carrying an RPG with intent,scratch two bad guy's,nice job there gunner.

Ariweiner you are a stupid clueless idiot who keeps posting crap here about wanting to go to Chechneya and fight a Jihad.personally I hope you do go and get your stupid Mo Fo head shot off,come to Iraq,pick up an RPG in the vicinity of my team and I'll drop you without a thought.......it's high time you were booted from this forum......End Ex!!

[American Patriot]

Yep, that's pretty crazy. 1st cavalry brads own the night

[MEGR]

What did he hit that guy with.. Was it 20mm? I thought it mighta been a smaller caliber round. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Midav]

Yeah, a shame those Bradley's didn't have a chance against those IED's and had to be taken back for repair :(

[mack pl]

What did he hit that guy with.. Was it 20mm? I thought it mighta been a smaller caliber round. Correct me if I'm wrong.

it was Bradley, so they have 25mm cannon, but I think it was 7,62mm MG :roll:

[Midav]

Don't think it was the 25mm. May be a 7.62 that did that damage.

[MEGR]

What did he hit that guy with.. Was it 20mm? I thought it mighta been a smaller caliber round. Correct me if I'm wrong.

it was Bradley, so they have 25mm cannon, but it was 7,62mm MG, well, Im not sure :roll:

I believe you're right sir.

[mack pl]

What did he hit that guy with.. Was it 20mm? I thought it mighta been a smaller caliber round. Correct me if I'm wrong.

it was Bradley, so they have 25mm cannon, but it was 7,62mm MG, well, Im not sure :roll:

I believe your right sir.

Im not a lier ;)

[Uncle Sam]

ariweiner You need to get banned you piece of ****! And, if you have a problem, you come talk to me, ass munch.

[MEGR]

Why you guys busting on him. The link was pretty cool. I didn't see any Anti-American stuff, just the cool combat sequence.

[mack pl]

Why you guys busting on him. The link was pretty cool. I didn't see any Anti-American stuff, just the cool combat sequence.

maybe caption above wasn't the best :roll: or they just hate him :roll:


who fukin cares ;)



good job US :)

[gilgoul]

pretty cool link, thanks.

[reverence]

wasn't he simply referring to what the reporter said about the guy trying to take on a column of Bradleys?-I didn't get the impression he was putting down the Americans for getting wounded by an IED.

[mack pl]

wasn't he simply referring to what the reporter said about the guy trying to take on a column of Bradleys?-I didn't get the impression he was putting down the Americans for getting wounded by an IED.
are you his lawyer or something ;)

who fukin cares, Argyll and USP dont like him, its not our buisness :|


regards :|

[reverence]

Sorry I wasn't aware that if the moderators don't like someone no one else is allowed to defend them. I also was not aware that by giving my opinion I've inadvertently volunteered my extensive legal skills.
Are you trying to be funny if so you failed and come accross as an arrogant ingorant **** who is simply sucking up to the moderators.(no offense to you guys obviously but this guy has stepped over the line)
If you are not aware ****head theres a reason these are called "Discussion" forums. A discussion can be conducted civilly by people of differing view points without the addition of childish remarks. Now **** off and let the grown ups talk.

[mack pl]

Sorry I wasn't aware that if the moderators don't like someone no one else is allowed to defend them. heh, If you wanna defend them its only your fukin problem, dude ;)


Are you trying to be funny if so you failed and come accross as an arrogant ingorant f*** who is simply sucking up to the moderators.(no offense to you guys obviously but this guy has stepped over the line)Damn, I will cry all fukin day ;)


If you are not aware ****head theres a reason these are called "Discussion" forums. A discussion can be conducted civilly by people of differing view points without the addition of childish remarks. Now f*** off and let the grown ups talk.Huh, ok dad ;)

F*** yourself ;)

cee ya

[reverence]

Mack-I can't thank you enough for validating my statement. ;) Everything you wrote was a perfect example of the things being written by the morons that are ruining these forums. ;) I'm also very happy that you have discovered how to use the emoticons however I don't think they were designed to replace full stops at the end of all sentences. ;) ;) ;) ;)
At the end of the day you are a nobody who's life will more likely than not amount to nothing. If trying to **** stir on the net is your replacement for an ordinary life devoid of real meanin gthen go for it.

Nuff said-feel free to reply I'm big enough and ugly enough to take it on the chin and in silence ;)

[mack pl]

blah blah

yup, thats me, dad.......... ;)

happy now...

[Tengu]

GET SOME! woot

[Herrmannek]

Fuc.k mack :) ... You can be lawyer of anybody you want, God will punish you later :) ....

[Argyll]

Reverence,
Ariweiner is a POS,and it's nothing to do with the moderators,try reading the types of thread he posts,he has openly stated he wants to go to Chechnya to fight against the Russians..........he's a Muslim,who lives in a country who feeds and clothes him,I'd personally love to see him come to Iraq and see for 5 mins that he lives in cuckoo land,he plays way too much counterstrike,and fails to understand or even try to,the harsh realities of a warzone.

He's a troll of the worst kind,the kind that is not welcome here,free speach is fine,but openly supporting actions against troops fighting Muslims extremists,and expressing his desire to stand by his foked up heroes,and fight the Holy Jihad.........gets right up my nose,I only wish he would try and aim an RPG at our team,and he'd soon get his 70 virgins.....he's pathetic........and this is me being calm.!

[obd]

Well, to be frank, I think "not having a chance" is exactly what alotta these guys want.........After all, its thier ticket to paradise isnt it?

What an ingenious system: Promise all the poor scum and criminals of your culture the highest level of heaven if they fight jihad.......That way all these bastards, who are just scum and have no possibility of reaching heaven anyway, go off to foreign countries to pillage and destroy and kill and do all the criminal things they would be doing at home otherwise, so that in the end of the day, they get to be on Gods right hand side....and then you get to have peace and not have relative peace in your own homeland.......Interesting to say the least.....Someday, the war is gonna come home to the source: Saudi Arabia.....and Im not talking a few truck bombs here and there......Im talking Saudi Arabia is going to pay for the worldwide blood it has on its hands through its support of jihad.....especially in Africa where nobody seems to care about whats going on.........

[MEGR]

Is this a tactic that the terrorists use alot? Wait for an IED exposion, and that go in for the kill? Seemed like the bradley crew were prepared for such a thing.

[Argyll]

Is this a tactic that the terrorists use alot? Wait for an IED exposion, and that go in for the kill? Seemed like the bradley crew were prepared for such a thing.

Yes it is,they have been watching,and adapting to tactics used by the CF,and they use the confusion to add to the ambush,by using RPG teams to attempt further carnage.............cept this time they didn't anticipate a switched on Bradley gunner......good shooting on his behalf,though I'm sure the guys in the other vehicles he fired between didn't expect the return fire.

[MEGR]

How about these IEDs. Are they literally planted everywhere the Soldiers go? The video said the ran into what, 8 of 'em? Is this a normal day in Iraq? If it is that's freaking nuts.

[Ichhabe]

How about these IEDs. Are they literally planted everywhere the Soldiers go? The video said the ran into what, 8 of 'em? Is this a normal day in Iraq? If it is that's freaking nuts.

One tactic is to knock out the first and the last vehicle in a convoy. This will force the rest to come to a halt. If this is done on a narrow mountain road or in a street wich is not so wide, the vehicles in the middle are trapped.
From the ambush point it would now be easier to knock out the rest. If they have more IED's that has not been used, they blast these one off aswell to confuse and stress up those that is caught in the middle of it.

The ambushers normally have the initiative in such an operation, and the more IED's put out on a said distance, the easier their job is, the better is their initiative.

There are a lot of interesting ways of doing this. A clever mind, and lot of fantasy will make up a good ambush point.

[Argyll]

How about these IEDs. Are they literally planted everywhere the Soldiers go? The video said the ran into what, 8 of 'em? Is this a normal day in Iraq? If it is that's freaking nuts.

Unfortunately this is pretty normal,some are well placed and difficult to spot others are visible,it's a stalling tactic,you have to stop and cordon off,thus leaving the vehicle a static target,this is where the RPG teams come in.
You can drive through an area full of IED's but if you see them and ignore,the next patrol might be softskins and they'd be wiped out,it's a crude but effective way of immobilising a column,and thus creating a kill zone.
The insurgents here are getting smarter by the day,they are adapting to the SOP's of the CF.

[ZeroPositive]

Times like this I wish we had machines that could do this job...

[MEGR]

How about these IEDs. Are they literally planted everywhere the Soldiers go? The video said the ran into what, 8 of 'em? Is this a normal day in Iraq? If it is that's freaking nuts.

Unfortunately this is pretty normal,some are well placed and difficult to spot others are visible,it's a stalling tactic,you have to stop and cordon off,thus leaving the vehicle a static target,this is where the RPG teams come in.
You can drive through an area full of IED's but if you see them and ignore,the next patrol might be softskins and they'd be wiped out,it's a crude but effective way of immobilising a column,and thus creating a kill zone.
The insurgents here are getting smarter by the day,they are adapting to the SOP's of the CF.

Well obviously military units plan their patrols days or so ahead. Can't they just plant recon troops on streets of interest, or where they plan to patrol? Is it to dangerous to do that? With troops planted on planned routes, they could report back any suscpicious activities, and where they happened.. Maybe this sounds a little far-fetched..

[Roger Rabbit]

"He didn't have a chance"

Yes he did, he could have stayed at home and tried to do something constructive with his life.

[aartamen]

Don't think it was the 25mm. May be a 7.62 that did that damage.

25 would have torn him to pieces. Terrible sight. I did not see any spectacular damage. Just a couple of guys going down hard.

Now there was a movie of an AH-64 taking some bozos. If you saw it, that's what happens when a cannon strikes meat.

[Burncycle]

good kill

I'd imagine one of the tactics would be to detonate an IED, and then when the wounded are being rescued, detonate another.

Guess they just don't understand that we own the night.

[ZeroPositive]

again it was a good kill these guys would have shown no mercy to any Coalition troops... so screw them....

[usa320]

I too feel ariwiener has proven his crude behavior n his past posts, and i have sent a PM to hood expressing my desire for his banning as well.

[cut]

what a grass, let the mods decide

[Fintin]

"He didn't have a chance"

Yes he did, he could have stayed at home and tried to do something constructive with his life.

such a simple response....yet....it seems to be the perfect one

[cqbrdy]

if someone wants a copy, itll be up in a few minutes.

[Romulus]

"He didn't have a chance"

Yes he did, he could have stayed at home and tried to do something constructive with his life.

such a simple response....yet....it seems to be the perfect one

I agree

[reverence]

Argyll-Like I said nothing against you guys. I've been away awhile and am unaware of Airweiners other inflamatory remarks. If he's proven himself to be an idiot in other posts then theres no arguement from me. I was simply saying that it appeared to me that he simply quoted the reporters statement in naming the thread. Nothing less and nothing more. Mack should have said the guy has a history of anti-western sentiment instead of making smart arse comments about me. In any case both Airweiner and Mack should put up and go overseas or shut up instead of trying to be a tough guys via the web where they no doubt feel safe from real conflict.

[mack pl]

.Mack should have said the guy has a history of anti-western sentiment instead of making smart arse comments about me.

smart ass comments about you, dude?Huh, it was a joke("are you his lawyer"), yeah, not funny,ok. But why you was so pised off, you could ignore that. It wasn't nothing offensive. BTW I didn't know do you have infos about Ariweiner or no, myabe I should say that more clear. But your comments about me dude, were very offensive, you dont know me, but you talking **** about me....but I dont care.



Mack should put up and go overseas or shut up instead of trying to be a tough guys via the web where they no doubt feel safe from real conflict.
"tough guy"? dude, its not me who start insults other people, it was you. So, you trying to be "tough guy", not me. Belive me, If we could met in real life, we could talk like man with man, but it's only fukin internet, so we writing **** here......well, If you think, I was trying to be smartass, than you are wrong...yeah, my comment wasn't the best, but your comment about me dude was worst......but, ok, If its your style, its not my buisness..

PS. ok, man, I will never replay on your posts, maybe my sense of humour isn't the best in your opinion, etc., but try don't pissed off every time when someone write anything not in your way of thinking(sp.).

I hope Im clear.

PAX PAX

[ZeroPositive]

"He didn't have a chance"

Yes he did, he could have stayed at home and tried to do something constructive with his life.

such a simple response....yet....it seems to be the perfect one

I agree

I agree as well...

[cqbrdy]

delete

[shrek]

Vid won't load, says I can't communicate with the server. Any Ideas? I'm computer illiterate!

[cqbrdy]

got it uploaded thanx

here it is
http://www.metrocast.net/~cgull/video626692.wmv

ill put the edited versions in a bit, need a beer after all that thought to get it uploaded.

[Raistlin]

If you need a host...

[He219]

Thanks for your video link, cqbrdy!
:D


I will have to say that applying the title to the thread was selectively polarized, intent on portraying the Sadr Insurgents wielding PRG's and approaching a crippled column at night in the most favorable light ..

Ariwiener's quote was more then out of context. Dan Rather actually said:

"The gunmen never had a chance"

;)

[shrek]

Ok, I downloaded it but when I play it it seems to play for about .5 seconds and then turns itself off. What the......?

[cqbrdy]

your welcome,
i have over 47gb of news footage ive been collecting since i got my windows media recorder. i have to take leave from work and sit back with a few beers and go through it all and edit them and then come up with some nice grouchy music videos for you guys.


hmm wierd????
did you save under the file tab in wmp?

[Marsuitor]

Ok, I downloaded it but when I play it it seems to play for about .5 seconds and then turns itself off. What the......?
Have that problem with some other video on my HDD. Could be your codec that's bagerap. If it's DivX, try downloading and re-installing from http://www.divx.com

Cheers,
Marcus

[Javehn]

Pardon me all USA friends , but I don't understand why guys have to cheer every time they shoot someone ? Personally I find it stupid , or unproffesional , or whatever .
At list some sensitivity , there is a cameraman who shoots every action of the soldiers , a little more PC wouldn't heart in that case .

No offence .

[Herrmannek]

To much team sports in higschool :) ...

[cqbrdy]

i dont know why your having probs shrek
if u have msn ill send it to you on messenger.

[Laworkerbee]

Nice shooting 1st Cav!!!

[ZeroPositive]

Hey if it was a bunch of Football fans, imagine the cheering *Points to guys just shot* "SCOOREEEE SCOOREEEE ENGLANNDDDDDD"

Now that would be totally wrong but so funny :)

[cqbrdy]

working on a very small music vid
its only a rough draft, ill upload it when its done ;)

[ZeroPositive]

working on a very small music vid
its only a rough draft, ill upload it when its done ;)

Sweet what tune have you got for the background?

Looking forward to this :D

[cqbrdy]

dunnoyet, but i can change it after

here it is
http://www.metrocast.net/~cgull/1bradly_0001.wmv
i havent made them for a while and its only a rough draft.
the next ones will be better.

[Far]

"He didn't have a chance"

Yes he did, he could have stayed at home and tried to do something constructive with his life.

such a simple response....yet....it seems to be the perfect one

I agree

I agree as well...

Well put...

Just a question: When do they place these IED's? During the daytime?

Argyll,

Have you seen any of these during your travels there?

[indigo_prime]

IEDs can be hidden all over the place, some examples:

Inside dead animal carcasses on the roadside.

Buried into pot holes in the roadway.

Hidden in drains beside the road or culverts / drains that run under the road.

Side of the road covered in garbage.

Inside litter bins and trash cans in the street (but doubt they have any out there!)

Street light posts. Theyre hollow with an easy accessible door close to ground level. Perfect hiding place, plus the shrapnel effect of the metal.

Hidden inside vehicles parked on the roadside, especially nasty if its inside the fuel tank.

Theres a whole sh**load of ways to conceal IEDs and command wires. These guys are even using remote devices so they dont even have to be on the end of a wire any more to push the button.

I'm a little surprised they havent started using these 'martyrs' as walking bombs to target the foot patrols. Soft target, no armour, almost guaranteed casualties.

[tuckerhat]

I like the edited version.

never realized nightvision looked so damn clear..

[Howie Kaluha]

very satisfying seeing those guys mowed down :lol:

[Tengu]

very satisfying seeing those guys mowed down :lol:agree

[ZeroPositive]

very satisfying seeing those guys mowed down :lol:agree

agrees as well :D

[Old300]

Pardon me all USA friends , but I don't understand why guys have to cheer every time they shoot someone ? Personally I find it stupid , or unproffesional , or whatever .
At list some sensitivity , there is a cameraman who shoots every action of the soldiers , a little more PC wouldn't heart in that case .

No offence .

Because they'd just done something that allowed them to stay alive. Moreover, they won. Those are two things to cheer about. Good on 'em

[cqbrdy]

cool, im glad you guys liked that,
more to come later.

[Wilco]

Pardon me all USA friends , but I don't understand why guys have to cheer every time they shoot someone ? Personally I find it stupid , or unproffesional , or whatever .
At list some sensitivity , there is a cameraman who shoots every action of the soldiers , a little more PC wouldn't heart in that case .

No offence .

I understand where your coming from Javehn, and you have experience on the field, have you ever gotten the "Me or him" feeling? I guess those guys and ourselves are cheering to know that some U.S. soldier is going to live to fight another day.

[Herrmannek]

Pardon me all USA friends , but I don't understand why guys have to cheer every time they shoot someone ? Personally I find it stupid , or unproffesional , or whatever .
At list some sensitivity , there is a cameraman who shoots every action of the soldiers , a little more PC wouldn't heart in that case .

No offence .

Because they'd just done something that allowed them to stay alive. Moreover, they won. Those are two things to cheer about. Good on 'em

We know the direct reason for cheering, we just wonder why that cherring culture is so strong.... Europeans rarely react in that way at such ocassions ..

[ode]

But when someone cheers for U.S casualties you say that it´s sick etc
Last time I checked the Iraqis are humans too so why isn´t it sick and totally wrong to cheer for their death?

[Old300]

Pardon me all USA friends , but I don't understand why guys have to cheer every time they shoot someone ? Personally I find it stupid , or unproffesional , or whatever .
At list some sensitivity , there is a cameraman who shoots every action of the soldiers , a little more PC wouldn't heart in that case .

No offence .

Because they'd just done something that allowed them to stay alive. Moreover, they won. Those are two things to cheer about. Good on 'em

We know the direct reason for cheering, we just wonder why that cherring culture is so strong.... Europeans rarely react in that way at such ocassions ..

Sure about that? I've never been in a European tank that just killed the people attacking it, so I don't know. But anecdotally, I'm skeptical of your argument.

Time and again the US is accused of being overly patriotic cowboys. But then I see the crowd at Wimbledon (!!!) go absolutely insane over Tim Henman. I see Athens go positively nuts over their soccer team. I think that's great: y'all should get fired-up about stuff like that. Y'all should be proud of your countries and you shouldn't apologize for desperately wanting them to win.

But y'all should also reconsider how exceptional American boisterousness actually is. In my opinion, it's not exceptional at all: the spotlight just happens to be on us more than it's on you and, frankly, we have rather a lot to cheer about quite often. And, again, killing someone who was about to kill you and your friends is definitely something worthy of a 1 second celebration. Right?

[Tengu]

When it's either him or you and you kill the other you have good reason for cheering.

[Macs.]

But there is a difference between soccer and killing people.

However, I don't think you can accuse these soldiers for cheering about kills. Although I don't think it is very professionell.

[Old300]

But there is a difference between soccer and killing people.

However, I don't think you can accuse these soldiers for cheering about kills. Although I don't think it is very professionell.

he talked about our having a "cheering culture" and I was simply suggesting that one can't distinguish our culture in this regard from another

[Herrmannek]

Pardon me all USA friends , but I don't understand why guys have to cheer every time they shoot someone ? Personally I find it stupid , or unproffesional , or whatever .
At list some sensitivity , there is a cameraman who shoots every action of the soldiers , a little more PC wouldn't heart in that case .

No offence .

Because they'd just done something that allowed them to stay alive. Moreover, they won. Those are two things to cheer about. Good on 'em

We know the direct reason for cheering, we just wonder why that cherring culture is so strong.... Europeans rarely react in that way at such ocassions ..

Sure about that? I've never been in a European tank that just killed the people attacking it, so I don't know. But anecdotally, I'm skeptical of your argument.

Time and again the US is accused of being overly patriotic cowboys. But then I see the crowd at Wimbledon (!!!) go absolutely insane over Tim Henman. I see Athens go positively nuts over their soccer team. I think that's great: y'all should get fired-up about stuff. Y'all should be proud of your countries and you shouldn't apologize for desperately wanting them to win.

But y'all should also reconsider how exceptional American boisterousness actually is. In my opinion, it's not exceptional at all: the spotlight just happens to be on us more than it's on you and, frankly, we have rather a lot to cheer about qutie often.

moderate cherrs maybe, but standing ovation I doubt :), It looks like you are cheering for any reason in so spectacular way like you would at least won cup or sumthing :)

[cqbrdy]

if we were just attacked and we killed the attackers, Damn straight we'll cheer. who wouldnt???????

[Herrmannek]

if we were just attacked and we killed the attackers, Damn straight we'll cheer. who wouldnt???????

I wouldn't :) , one "good job soldier" from commander is enough in my opinion...

Also they should make firing holes for troops in US vechicles so soldiers wouldn't sit without job and think if next round will make them "fried chickens"...

[Javehn]

Who wouldn't ?

You know , dude , there is such a thing called tact . Every single action of US soldiers are reviewed by microscope , by the world . I know you guys give a less **** about this matter then others , but still , to chear "Yea , we got this ****er , who ho wa ha banana banana" infront of Camera isn't the smartest action in the planet .

We tried not to pass our guns infront of cameramen , that it wouldn't look as we are trying to aim them (the ****ers tried to shove infront our guns in purpose and photographed it as we are aiming them , punk ass bitches) :) .

[cqbrdy]

well its not like they lept out of the bradly
and started dancin a jig!!!!!!

they got ambushed by ieds, fellow teammates got injured
and then they were going to attacked with rpg's.
they eliminated the enemy threat and cheered abit,
and now you "people" are going to say theyre wrong for doing that?
i agree to disagree!

[Herrmannek]

well its not like they lept out of the bradly
and started dancin a jig!!!!!!

they got ambushed by ieds, fellow teammates got injured
and then they were going to attacked with rpg's.
they eliminated the enemy threat and cheered abit,
and now you "people" are going to say theyre wrong for doing that?
i agree to disagree!

it wasn't wrong... It is uncomon here, thats why we ask

[Far]

If you pay attention, right when they shoot the bad guys, you can see a couple of geese in the lower right hand corner hitting the deck when the 25mm goes off. I guess they were the smarter ones of the group....

[Hiroshima]

Should have shot the geese too....probably camoflauged Iraqi militants ;)

[seventy6er]

I guess I'd cheer the same way those soldiers did and I'm pretty sure I'd high-five my buddies and scream.

But like some of you already said, it's not too clever to do it in front of the camera, especially if the whole world looks towards everything the US armed forces do sceptically.

[Hiroshima]

Concidering that CNN video a few years back featuring the Marines shooting that knucklehead who decided to make himself a target. They were cheering and congradulating themselves....Most of the world was agast that we killed a wounded man...personally, I'd have done it for humanitarian reasons...A> We were not going out there to get his dumbself because he might have had friends wanting to shoot at us. B> None of his friends wanted to come out to save him because we should have shot him..he would have bled out...very unpleasent.

[obd]

One thing I would like to know is when all these IED's are being planted and in what areas they are heavily concentrated and in what areas a large number of them are reported in by the locals (and in what areas they arnt being reported in).....Seems to me that if you have a specific area where a huge number of them are being repeatedly planted and set off by command detonation, it would be a good idea to post a snipers hide in the area to watch and listen (and call in air strikes).......especially if no locals are reporting them in which means highly likely that locals are complicite instead of it being the case that insurgents are moving in at night from outside the area to plant ****........Remmember, most locals know that IED's as often as not go off unexpectedly and kill some of thier own so they SHOULD be ready to report any found in thier streets straight away UNLESS thier are local baddies who would slot them if they informed or the locals themselves are part of the insurgency..........(There are many towns in Iraq according to Green Berets who have spoken which are virtually violence free and in which the locals cooperate to a very high degree)........

Either way, seems to me that there is a high probability that if you have a case where a village has a high level of IED activity plus a low degree of IED reports by locals, that all adds up to make it a likely enemy village which needs to be addressed..........

Im no expert and Im sitting in my AC'd house in North Carolina but if I were over there being attacked constantly I'd damn sure make the effort to nail the bastards (not that current troops arnt doing that!!!!).......Now maybe Im wrong in a big way, but if I were a trooper over there, I would request a sniper team or two (if the area happens to be conducive to snipers of course) set up overnight and spend a week watching and calling in movement........I would suggest the snipers report suspicious groups milling about known and repeated attack sites and leaving **** at the scene.....then have a UAV track them to thier homes, then bomb the hell out of them or raid them with Special Forces for intelligence gathering.........I wouldnt want the sniper to take kill shots because that would likely mean the insurgents would catch on sooner to what was happening whereas if we kept the snipers hidden they may be able to do more good before thier gig was up and the insurgents wisened up to what was going on and changed tactics......to which we would have to alter tactics yet again hehehe...........

In a great many writings from combat veteran in Vietnam, they would often set up snipers near repeated ambush zones to great effect........Cant see why it wouldnt work here......unless its an urban area with many lights and no curfew and tons of dogs (uhhhh maybe I am describing most Iraqi cities) very few derilect buildings/scrub/etc from which to set up overwatch positions.....

In addition, I think if a certain village or town see's repeated attacks while virtually zero IED's are reported, that town can basically be considered hostile and should be marked for assault........In my opinion, it should be the villagers reponsibility to clear the area of IED's in thier own turf each morning.....and we will watch af night (we should impose a midnight curfew on all violence ****e villages)......There should be harsh punishments for those villages that do not comply......Local leadership councils should be set up so somebody can be held responsible for failure's..........

An extreme version of this tactic, and a succesful one I might add, is the German/Nazi method of controlling the Jews in concentration camps (I am NOT a Nazi nor do I support the holocaust before anyone accuses me of anything).......To this day, there is great debate about the Jewish camp leaders with many charging them as being complicit in the holocaust but the fact is that the Germans designed the system that way......and to a large degree it was highly succesful in controlling Jewish camps even after they became aware of what was going to happen to them...........and of course we in Iraq are not planning to exterminate them so theoretically it should be easier to implement on a population you are trying to help instead of one you are trying to exterminate.....

This system was also used by the Russians in Chechnya and A-stan, although the Russkies would wipe out entire villages if they did not comply and thus spread extreme hatred (and fear) throughout the area heheheheheeh.......

I simply propose giving the locals responsibility for thier own area and making them accountable for coalition casualities.......Give them rewards every week there are no attacks and punish them when thier are attacks, especially if those attacks kill a coalition soldier........simple......Also give them rewards for reporting other villages which are supporting insurgents..........Also, every so often launch a "full battle rattle" assault on violence ****e areas just as a "see what if" to the borderline zones which appear to be headed in the wrong direction and need "convincing"........

[Argyll]

One thing I would like to know is when all these IED's are being planted and in what areas they are heavily concentrated and in what areas a large number of them are reported in by the locals (and in what areas they arnt being reported in).....Seems to me that if you have a specific area where a huge number of them are being repeatedly planted and set off by command detonation, it would be a good idea to post a snipers hide in the area to watch and listen (and call in air strikes).......especially if no locals are reporting them in which means highly likely that locals are complicite instead of it being the case that insurgents are moving in at night from outside the area to plant ****........Remmember, most locals know that IED's as often as not go off unexpectedly and kill some of thier own so they SHOULD be ready to report any found in thier streets straight away UNLESS thier are local baddies who would slot them if they informed or the locals themselves are part of the insurgency..........(There are many towns in Iraq according to Green Berets who have spoken which are virtually violence free and in which the locals cooperate to a very high degree)........

Snipers and SF teams already do this,but it's not as simple as this

Either way, seems to me that there is a high probability that if you have a case where a village has a high level of IED activity plus a low degree of IED reports by locals, that all adds up to make it a likely enemy village which needs to be addressed..........

What just like Fallujah?

Im no expert and Im sitting in my AC'd house in North Carolina but if I were over there being attacked constantly I'd damn sure make the effort to nail the bastards (not that current troops arnt doing that!!!!).......Now maybe Im wrong in a big way, but if I were a trooper over there, I would request a sniper team or two (if the area happens to be conducive to snipers of course) set up overnight and spend a week watching and calling in movement........I would suggest the snipers report suspicious groups milling about known and repeated attack sites and leaving **** at the scene.....then have a UAV track them to thier homes, then bomb the hell out of them or raid them with Special Forces for intelligence gathering.........I wouldnt want the sniper to take kill shots because that would likely mean the insurgents would catch on sooner to what was happening whereas if we kept the snipers hidden they may be able to do more good before thier gig was up and the insurgents wisened up to what was going on and changed tactics......to which we would have to alter tactics yet again hehehe...........


All these tactics are in place already,but a lot of these IED's are what we call "come ons" to lure CF into traps,I'd hate to be a sniper in an OP right now,it's getting close to 50 degrees,the water consumption,and food,protection from the searing heat require a great deal of protection,it's just not practical to use small teams in these places without having the neccesary back up

In a great many writings from combat veteran in Vietnam, they would often set up snipers near repeated ambush zones to great effect........Cant see why it wouldnt work here......unless its an urban area with many lights and no curfew and tons of dogs (uhhhh maybe I am describing most Iraqi cities) very few derilect buildings/scrub/etc from which to set up overwatch positions.....


These IED's are being set up mainly in urban areas,it's almost impossible to sweep every route here,it was hard enough in Northern Ireland,near impossible here

In addition, I think if a certain village or town see's repeated attacks while virtually zero IED's are reported, that town can basically be considered hostile and should be marked for assault........In my opinion, it should be the villagers reponsibility to clear the area of IED's in thier own turf each morning.....and we will watch af night (we should impose a midnight curfew on all violence ****e villages)......There should be harsh punishments for those villages that do not comply......Local leadership councils should be set up so somebody can be held responsible for failure's..........

Have you ever assaulted an entire town?,they couldn't do this in Fallujah,and attempting it in Baquba,and Sadr city etc,the numbers of troops to do this would be in the Brigades levels......and to what gain?
What do you plan.........have the village elder shot in the head as an example?........which would only be counterproductive I'm afraid

An extreme version of this tactic, and a succesful one I might add, is the German/Nazi method of controlling the Jews in concentration camps (I am NOT a Nazi nor do I support the holocaust before anyone accuses me of anything).......To this day, there is great debate about the Jewish camp leaders with many charging them as being complicit in the holocaust but the fact is that the Germans designed the system that way......and to a large degree it was highly succesful in controlling Jewish camps even after they became aware of what was going to happen to them...........and of course we in Iraq are not planning to exterminate them so theoretically it should be easier to implement on a population you are trying to help instead of one you are trying to exterminate.....

This system was also used by the Russians in Chechnya and A-stan, although the Russkies would wipe out entire villages if they did not comply and thus spread extreme hatred (and fear) throughout the area heheheheheeh.......

And the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan a battered and bleeding superpower

I simply propose giving the locals responsibility for thier own area and making them accountable for coalition casualities.......Give them rewards every week there are no attacks and punish them when thier are attacks, especially if those attacks kill a coalition soldier........simple......Also give them rewards for reporting other villages which are supporting insurgents..........Also, every so often launch a "full battle rattle" assault on violence ****e areas just as a "see what if" to the borderline zones which appear to be headed in the wrong direction and need "convincing"........

If only it were that simple obd,but the truth is,no matter what,you cannot stop a determined IED bomber

[riesgoyfortuna]

the link doesnt work for me,im looking for that video some weeks ago.can anyone upload it? thanks

[sgt.pepper]

those guys were hit by 7.62mm MG thermal signature of 25mm projectile is much brighter that's mean hotter

[riesgoyfortuna]

anyone got a link for the video? the ones here doesnt work

thanks