Sniper's backup rifle

[C.J.]

I assume that most if not all snipers has a pistol for sidearm, but my question is that would a sniper have a secondary rifle, like a M16/AK/G36 for a higher rate of fire, in case he got discovered, was out numbered and firing when retreating.

[Irish]

They do..What ever service rifle of that country..

[asch]

PKM.
M82+PKM. there is no more cool combo possible.

[Jarhead]

PKM for sure.
Combo-breaker.

[Eagle The Lightning]

They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag.

[C.J.]

are they allow to carry something more compact and light weight such as SMGs instead of their service rifles.

[Spaz]

They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag.
Not exactly true, British Snipers do, and chances are there are others but several countries have their assault rifles attached to their packs with their rifles in hand while on the stalk.

[Bro Jangles]

Only if you have on the Overkill Perk.

[StuRat]

They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag.

They have a second whole sniper in the drag bag? Awesome.

[Eagle The Lightning]

They have a second whole sniper in the drag bag? Awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/v/ztlhR56yYBk
2:48 They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag.

[crazyman]

It depends on a lot of variables. Typically my sniper section would carry their M4s when they were planning to use some of their larger toys, like the .50 or the M24. A typical setup might be that the 3 of them would have 2 M4/M16s (free floating barrels/ACOGs on them) and the 3rd guy would carry the heavy weapon. If they were planning to use M14s, they would rarely bother. All this being said I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would all carry their M4s, its just a matter of preference, the AO, mission, etc. Personally, my kit weighed 82 lbs as I was, dont think i'd want to haul a 2nd weapon, ammo, etc

In Iraq I would venture to guess that a lot of conventional forces snipers don't bother carrying a second shoulder fired weapon. ROE usually dictates that SKTs utilize at least a squad-sized element with support nearby, so there isn't as much need to worry about self defense as there would be if, say, it was just two guys working far from support. Either way, I'd say my best friend in such a situation would be a radio to a QRF, not a secondary weapon.

[shuredgefan]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)

[Seraphim]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)

Take your cents back to video games.

[sexyhamburger]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)

I think you should ask for a refund

[Irish]

They have a second whole sniper in the drag bag? Awesome.

LMAO!!!!roflrofl

[Pvt.king]

Only if you have on the Overkill Perk.
lol, Nice one, dude:lol:

[Sewen]

Only if you have on the Overkill Perk.congratulations, sir. You made me lol :)

[asch]

"drag bag sniper" is destined to become new MPNet meme.

[StuRat]

"drag bag sniper" is destined to become new MPNet meme.

Can we make it Eagles new custom user title?

[BrianT]

Ours guys just role out with their sniper rifles. Carrying other **** just adds unnecessary weight. The spotter might have a Mk12, but its not typical. They do attach a guy for security usually.

[Sc-He]

Take your cents back to video games.

FYI, That is an actual option for Norwegian snipers as a secondary weapon to their Hk417, probably without suppressors though..

[JoeDan]

A Stoner with a drum mag wouldn't be a bad choice.

[mechanical-octopi]

A Stoner with a drum mag wouldn't be a bad choice.
Drum mag for the SR-25/M110? or the old Stoner63? if the latter I couldn't agree more.:)

[Bro Jangles]

Just put a scope on a M2 and screw the back up.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)

Bawahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahhahahahhahaha.

[Peanut]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)

You must be SAS.

[Eagle The Lightning]

Can we make it Eagles new custom user title?
It should be your user title as you said "They have a second whole sniper in the drag bag? Awesome."

[oldsoak]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)

Erm, probably not a good idea - as handy as it might appear.

You'd really want something based on the issue assault rifle where both weapon, weapon parts, and ammo are in the established supply chain and available to the average squaddie. Also, its preferable NOT to have to wait until you see the whites of their eyes should you ever be reduced to the point where you need to use it.

[Nacho-Libre]

I have no experience with anything military related but from what I've picked up through books and such, is that most snipers carry their standard service rifle or a carbine variant along with their sniper rifle. That being said, some choose not to because of the extra weight. That is just my understanding though, I dont know if thats correct.

[crazyman]

Nacho: I'd say with todays' added weight. I haven't been to Afghan yet, but in Iraq an OP will be occupied by a squad-sized element, including the snipers. Since there are 8-10 soldiers in the position, there is no need to incur the extra 15 lbs of rifle/ammo. Since weight is much more of an issue in Afghanistan than it is in Iraq, I'll go a head and assume that the same is true. In Iraq my combat load weighed in at 82 lbs...you think I'd want another 15? that 82 comprised of weapons, radio, armor, ammo, NVGs, etc...just the stuff I wore daily, aka "line 1/2" items.

[StuRat]

It should be your user title as you said "They have a second whole sniper in the drag bag? Awesome."

Reread your post, it's what you said.

[Lasse]

FYI, That is an actual option for Norwegian snipers as a secondary weapon to their Hk417, probably without suppressors though..
Except the fact that the MP7 isn't in service yet...

[Pappy]

Nacho: I'd say with todays' added weight. I haven't been to Afghan yet, but in Iraq an OP will be occupied by a squad-sized element, including the snipers. Since there are 8-10 soldiers in the position, there is no need to incur the extra 15 lbs of rifle/ammo. Since weight is much more of an issue in Afghanistan than it is in Iraq, I'll go a head and assume that the same is true. In Iraq my combat load weighed in at 82 lbs...you think I'd want another 15? that 82 comprised of weapons, radio, armor, ammo, NVGs, etc...just the stuff I wore daily, aka "line 1/2" items.

Good job talking about current TTPs in an open forum! IE: SKTs and the size of OPs.

[JoeDan]

Drum mag for the SR-25/M110? or the old Stoner63? if the latter I couldn't agree more.:)

Oh, the Stoner 63, by all means. What a girl. The Seals sure surprised the hell out of a lot misinformed VC and NVA in Vietnam with it. Belt, mag, drum, left or right feed, 20 or 16 inch barrel, bipod, carrying handle, 700-1000 rpm. Damn, I can't even remember how many configurations there were, a dozen or more. I love it.

[Eagle The Lightning]

Reread your post, it's what you said.
no I said "They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag"and you said that they had 2 snipers.

[StuRat]

no I said "They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag"and you said that they had 2 snipers.


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[Eagle The Lightning]

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[Slouch]

no I said "They use a normal assault rifle and then the sniper in a drag bag"and you said that they had 2 snipers.

I think he accidentally a whole sniper.

Is this bad?

[Eagle The Lightning]

I think he accidentally a whole sniper.

Is this bad?
http://i32.tinypic.com/2h6vwuo.jpg

[CamoDeafie]

a SNIPER IN DRAG BAG=/= sniper GUN in drag bag, nor =/= Sniper in DRAG, bag...;)

[asch]

oh thanks cap Obvious!
p-)

[StuRat]

I think Eagle needed it :)

[asch]

fact. this, and well-developed humor sence.

[crazyman]

Pappy: everything I said is unclassified info from the ROE, and can be found by doing a bit of googling. Further, the ROE simply sets miniumums, not defined TTPs. I appreciate the concern for those of us who are deployed, but I didn't put out anything that shouldnt be out there.

[Eagle The Lightning]

I think Eagle needed it :)http://i30.tinypic.com/2s19h8y.jpg

[Sc-He]

Except the fact that the MP7 isn't in service yet...

Depends on which unit we are speaking of ;)

[CG51]

Fact. The Finnish have the best snipers in the world, and the best drag bags.

[Evolv5]

Depends on which unit we are speaking of ;)

l0l norw3g1an Delt4 Jäger farce! hehe lol

[Marsuitor]

Depends on which unit we are speaking of ;)
So smartypants with the winking eye, please tell me, what unit is it we're speaking of? No need to be all shady and mystical around here...

[Lasse]

An highranking officer that work at FLO who pose with the MP7 so that the newspapers can get photos of it are not considered a sniper, or delta.
Last video of Norwegian sniper (http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/nyheter/spill/verdi/76053)s that was released during shows no backups or secondary weapons.

The MP7 project was put on hold, end of story, go back to your OPSEC cave.

[rhino]

ahh crap, just when I was about to finish my gillie they come up with a bag for a sniper:slap:


how much those cost? sizes? availability?

[BiZ]

I'm awaiting the new Sniper in Drag Bag Loadout.

What concerns me though is that due to the apparent lack of back English language skills and satire recognition displayed here that more than a few will end up doing a load-out in drag.

Typically speaking your "spotter" should be carrying something in which to break contact with in the unfortunate and unlikely event it comes to that. I'd like to meet the bloke that is shooting 700m+ with .308 that suddenly feels the desire to "break contact" with the likes of an MP7...........

[gafkiwi]

I'd like to meet the bloke that is shooting 700m+ with .308 that suddenly feels the desire to "break contact" with the likes of an MP7...........

Probley the same bloke who wants to carry a Stoner LMG along with his sniper rifle, WTF?

[oldsoak]

...at the target in front, aim 50m above....

[JoeDan]

Probley the same bloke who wants to carry a Stoner LMG along with his sniper rifle, WTF?

You probably aren't as old as I am and not experienced with the Stoner 63 but the LMG config is just one of more than a dozen. Both the rifle and carbine configuration were less than 8 lbs, or 3.5 kilos. And after a reasonable amount of range time with it most troops could wear an enemy patrol out with it. I wish I had one, I'd send everyone on this thread some airline tickets and we'd all be smiling for a couple of months.

[oldsoak]

I'm quite sure the Stoner 63 is great fun, and I 'd love to have a bash.
However, while I can see the point in having an accurised M14 or HK417, I'm not sure a Stoner LMG is a good idea for the spotter. With ammo at a premium - and bearing in mind all the other gucci kit you have to crawl around carrying - you'd want something capable of quick accurate fire to 600-800m to help you disentangle yourself from a sticky position without wasting rounds, surely ?
I'm not a sniper and I'm a neophyte when it comes to the art, so those that are please feel free to correct me.

[JoeDan]

Oh, for the spotter? By all means, an M-14 or something similar that shoots 7.62 x 51. SOCOM or something like it. You bet.

[gafkiwi]

[QUOTE=JoeDan;4329317]You probably aren't as old as I am and not experienced with the Stoner 63 but the LMG config is just one of more than a dozen. Both the rifle and carbine configuration were less than 8 lbs, or 3.5 kilos. QUOTE]

I understand what your getting at, Yes as a stand alone weapon it maybe good, But as the back up weapon for a sniper not really practicle. Carrying a sniper rifle with all his spec kit, whilst trying to remain as covert or stealthy as possible whilst also lugging a stoner just isnt th go. Dependant on terrain, threat and local security/protection we may carry a rifle (steyr) with the sniper rifle slung or in a drag bag. Sometimes a long rifle and a pistol is the only practicle way though.

Without getting into to much detail a n.o.2 can carry an M-203 equiv as a "Force Multiplier" (for when ****e happens and for its different ammo capabilities), or as Old Soak brought up a 7.62 semi platform that offers a back up, redundency or support to the primary sniper rifle system carried by the team/pair with a greater rate of fire. LMGs/GPMGs are for local security/support teams

End of the day, A sniper teams primary security or protection is provided by their use of fieldcraft, stealth and cunning to remain undetected

[Tuco]

(begin 2 cents)

I think an H&K MP7 w/ suppressor would make a sweet, breaking-contact, weapon for a sniper.

(end 2 cents)
Take your cents back to video games.

Bawahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahhahahahhahaha.

Why so rude ?

http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/12/97/23/19/bundes10.jpg

[Macs.]

Typically speaking your "spotter" should be carrying something in which to break contact with in the unfortunate and unlikely event it comes to that. I'd like to meet the bloke that is shooting 700m+ with .308 that suddenly feels the desire to "break contact" with the likes of an MP7...........

...but atleast you got your hands free to support the real breaker...

http://www.liveleak.com/e/192_1248868149

[alexishere2007]

that's cool he's carrying an MP7.

for a secondary how about.... an SR-47

[boci]

delete please

[boci]

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[deagle]

i've always thought a snipers back-up was fire-support ?

[flanker7]

As I was saying above, I've seen both French and British snipers carrying in adition to their sniper rifle a regular assault rifle(FAMAS or L-85).
IMO this has to do with the occation. For excample, the sniper is part of a conventional operation, part of a compined arms assault od defence. He dosn't need a second rifle. His job is very precise and he is supported by the rest of the force.
Also, in a special kind of mission, where stealth is his primary defence, maybe a second weapon would make achieving that stealthiness more difficult.
But, when the sniper works as part of a small patrol, then maybe an automatic weapon is essential. In case the patrol is ambushed from a small distance, or finds themselves in a CQB scenario. In those cases a bott action sniper rifle is a disadvantage. You can't take advantage of it's ballistic and optics superiority. In those cases an assault rifle will be more usefull than the sniper rifle. So the patrol doesn't loose one soldier due to inneffective weapon for the situation. The sniper rifle is kept on the backpack for the primary mission of the patrol or for when the situation calls for one.

My opinion :-|