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Mango Madness
08-06-2009, 12:05 PM
Associated Press
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g2FU7cCSAAiIP4el8intANfxP8ZQD99TFE8G0


On war's anniversary, Georgia, Russia vie in media


By JIM HEINTZ (AP) – 15 minutes ago


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A worker constructs a mock 'Berlin wall' to mark the Aug. 7 anniversary of the outbreak of fighting between Russia and Georgia, in the Georgian city of Gori, near de-facto border with Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia, some 32 km (20 miles) south of the separatists capital Tskhinvali, on Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2009, with the statue of the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin seen in the background,. There is a sense here that the war is not so much over as frozen in place with the potential for new hostilities to break out at any time. (AP Photo/George Abdaladze)

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Girls pass by a wall covering the statue of the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, partly seeen in the background, in the Georgian city of Gori, near de-facto border with Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia, some 32 km (20 miles) south of the separatists capital Tskhinvali, on Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2009. There is a sense here that the war is not so much over as frozen in place with the potential for new hostilities to break out at any time. (AP Photo/George Abdaladze)

TBILISI, Georgia — A year after their war, Russia and Georgia are locked in a battle of words and images over how the world will remember the conflict. Each seeks to be exonerated, each wants its adversary condemned — and both say the other side is spoiling for a new fight.

The fog of post-war is nearly as thick as when the fighting was raging. There's even disagreement on what day marks the beginning of the five-day conflict. For both Russia and Georgia, the stakes are higher than just boosting patriotism among their people. The war shook the world's trust in each country, and both Moscow and Tbilisi are eager to stitch those wounds. Georgia's official commemorations begin at midnight Thursday with the lighting of a memorial bonfire at the medieval citadel in Gori, an action whose location and timing underscore Georgia's contention that it was victimized by its giant neighbor.

Gori suffered Russian air strikes and then occupation by Russian troops as the war spread outside the flashpoint in the separatist republic of South Ossetia. The advance into Georgia proper fed fears that Moscow aimed to take the entire country that had once been part of the Russian Empire.
The midnight lighting also reflects Georgia's claim that the war began early Aug. 7, 2008, with the alleged entry of a Russian military convoy into South Ossetia. Russia marks Aug. 8 as the war's start — when South Ossetia's capital came under a massive Georgian artillery barrage, which Georgia says it launched to repel the advancing Russians. South Ossetia splits the difference, with a commemorative concert to begin at 11:35 p.m. Friday — the approximate time the Georgian barrage began.

Russia's main national television network, Channel One, is airing a new documentary Saturday that it says will expose U.S. involvement in the war and reveal how Western TV channels were used to turn public opinion against Russia. The blurbs advertising another television program to be shown on the anniversary focus on the women and children who came under fire in the South Ossetian capital, calling the killings "genocide."
Moscow also has fired a series of new allegations against Georgia in recent days, including the state newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta's claim that Georgia planned to poison the water in South Ossetia's capital and the deputy general staff chief's claim that Georgian warplanes using Russian markings bombed civilians. The latter contention was greeted with bewilderment by Georgian national security chief Eka Tkeshelashvili and a comment of "that's just bizarre." Georgia is pushing its version of the war with insistence but somewhat more quietly than Russia. On Thursday, officials present a report — summarizing evidence presented to an EU commission — that firmly contends Russia started the war by sending in military convoys after weeks of minor clashes between separatist and Georgian forces.
It also says that South Ossetian leader Eduard Kokoity had left the capital ahead of the fighting and that civilians had been evacuated from many villages, "categorically indicat(ing) that intensive preparations were under way — preparations aimed at launching a full-scale war against Georgia." The most important conclusion of the report is seeing the attempts of the Russian Federation to undermine the Georgian state by using separists and separatism as a tool," said Cabinet minister Temur Yakobashvili, who presented the report. "It was all planned, pre-planned, and conducted by Russian politicians."

In the run-up to the anniversary — whichever day it is observed — both countries claim the other is ready to go to war again. Russia has denounced Western aid to Georgia's war-battered military and threatened sanctions against countries rearming "the aggressor." In turn, Georgian officials allege Russia continues to aim to subjugate its neighbor, drive President Mikhail Saakashvili out of power and exert control over the whole Caucasus.
"Their goal has not been accomplished ... they have a bad itching because of this," said Tkeshelashvili. And each side is nagged by the sense that it lost the war for the world's hearts and minds a year ago. "The inertia of thinking and the automatism with which the major Western media jumped totally on the side of Saakashvili was very bad news for those who like an objective picture," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said. "The signals that were sent from the media and the world public opinion were really encouraging for Mr. Saakashvili, which made him only too proud of what he did in August." But Thornike Gordadze, an academic who contributed to a book bolstering the Georgian government's version of events, told reporters in Tbilisi that the book aims to "break (Russia's) multi-million-dollar enterprise of showing only one side."
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Associated Press Writer Karina Ioffee in Moscow contributed to this report.It seems that Georgia is launching another massive global PR offensive coinciding with the first anniversary of the war.

How do you think that this war will be remembered in the western media. Who will be portrayed as the aggressor and/or initiator of the conflict?

Mango Madness
08-06-2009, 12:07 PM
AFP
http://www.news24.com/Content/World/News/1073/9105efeacbde45a8a7274e238afe61ea/06-08-2009%2003-08/Russian_invasion_started_war



'Russian invasion' started war

Tbilisi - Georgia released a report on Thursday claiming it faced a "large-scale Russian invasion" when its forces launched an assault on the rebel South Ossetia region last year, sparking a brief but bitter war.

The report, a copy of which was obtained by AFP before its official release on Thursday, claimed that Russia had been laying the groundwork for an invasion for months and that Georgia acted only in self-defence.
It said a column of Russian tanks and armoured vehicles entered a tunnel leading to Georgia about 20 hours before Georgian forces were ordered to act.

The report comes on the eve of the first anniversary of the outbreak of the five-day conflict and amid continued tensions in the volatile region.
"On August 7, 2008, Russian armed forces... launched a massive, co-ordinated, and - given the scale of the enterprise - premeditated assault on Georgia," the report said. "The Georgian government concluded that it had been left with no choice but to order military action to counter what was rapidly becoming an invasion - with aims that went far beyond a dispute over two Georgian territories." The report said that according to intelligence gathered by Georgia about 150 tanks and armoured vehicles entered the Roki Tunnel leading to South Ossetia in the early hours of August 7.

Provocations

Amid rebel artillery attacks on Georgian villages that night, the report said, more Russian army units were observed moving into the tunnel and Georgia "obtained solid evidence that a large-scale Russian invasion was in progress". President Mikheil Saakashvili then ordered Georgian forces to start a "defensive operation" at 23:35, the report said. Both sides have traded accusations of having started the war, with Russia insisting it moved into Georgia to defend South Ossetia from a Georgian attack aimed at retaking the rebel territory. Russia moved deep into Georgia after its forces pushed the Georgian army from South Ossetia, occupying swathes of territory and bombing targets across the country.

Russia later mostly withdrew its forces to within South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia, and recognised both regions as independent states. The report also detailed what it said were "many months of sustained legal, political and military provocations against Georgia" from Russia before the war. It said a campaign begun by Moscow in 2002 to give passports to residents of South Ossetia and Abkhazia was aimed at creating the pretext for Russian military action in Georgia. Russia's December 2007 withdrawal from the Conventional Forces in Europe treaty was also partly in preparation for conflict with Georgia, the report said, and was followed by "an extensive military build-up" close to the Georgian border. In the weeks before the conflict, the report said, Russia's sending of additional troops to Abkhazia and rebuilding of rail networks there were also part of pre-war preparations.

Lingering tensions from the war have soared in the run-up to the anniversary, with both sides trading accusations of small-scale attacks and "provocations" in recent days. Russia said it has put its forces in South Ossetia on high alert and warned in a startling statement on Saturday that it reserved the right to use force in case of Georgian "provocations". It has also accused Georgia of aggressively re-arming and the US of quietly supplying Tbilisi with arms. The Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe expressed concern on Thursday over continued instability in the region. "Wounds are still raw, and the region remains fragile and volatile," Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the OSCE, said in a statement.
- AFP

SBL
08-06-2009, 12:14 PM
How do you think that this war will be remembered in the western media. Who will be portrayed as the aggressor and/or initiator of the conflict?
I doubt the media in the US will remember it much at all- it was rather distant and had no direct impact on your average citizen. Besides, the Olympics were on.

User_Name
08-06-2009, 12:14 PM
A "Berlin wall"??? Are they for real?:cantbeli:

But what else can be expected from them, they are already in NATO and EUroflroflrofl

Mango Madness
08-06-2009, 12:18 PM
Already you can see that this article seems to be leaning towards Georgia's side, judging from both pictures being of Georgia's "Berlin Wall" and the text being heavily centered around Georgia's "Russia started it" allegations.

Mr.K
08-06-2009, 01:26 PM
Building a "Berlin wall" is just disrespecting all the Eastern Berliners who tried to cross it.

Difool
08-06-2009, 01:34 PM
That's sick, disrespectful and out of any context.

asch
08-06-2009, 06:25 PM
well, georgians already did their holocaust museum-alike performance earlier this year, now berlin wall, one can wonder wat will be next hilarious PR stunt?

INAT
08-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Georgians remind me of another group that makes an art out of kissing ass and pretending they are actual partners with the West.This group is in the general area of the Balkans.

Henry's Fork
08-06-2009, 06:33 PM
well, georgians already did their holocaust museum-alike performance earlier this year, now berlin wall, one can wonder wat will be next hilarious PR stunt?

Tie eating while juggling machetes on a unicycle?

While i appreciate Georgias help in Iraq, their government played that last poker game horrible.

Saka is a effing clown. Next time get Jessie and Al to help you play the victim.

asch
08-06-2009, 06:36 PM
well we can have a deal. send Jesse in, unofficially hint MadMike that you will surely support him this time, and we can take care of Jesse when demilitarizing Georgia again.
pure win.

Mango Madness
08-07-2009, 02:43 AM
I'm sure that there is something ironic about their "Berlin wall" + the Stalin statue in the background...

Switek
08-07-2009, 03:18 AM
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How do you think that this war will be remembered in the western media. Who will be portrayed as the aggressor and/or initiator of the conflict?

In Poland it's still portrayed as Russian aggression ... "Even if Georgian attacked firstly it was justified preemptive defensive action provoked by South Ossetian militia led by FSB agents who got orders directly from Moscow."