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Holmes85
08-07-2009, 04:15 PM
This story comes from MSNBC:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32320906/ns/politics-capitol_hill/


WASHINGTON - The House is ordering up three Gulfstream jets to fly Pentagon and other top government officials — including members of Congress — around the globe in conditions far cushier than coach class.

The almost $200 million appropriation to buy three C-37 jets, the military version of the Gulfstream 550, is buried in a $636 billion Pentagon budget passed by the House last week. It's not as fancy as the version sold to private customers, but still is a very nice ride. The Pentagon asked for only one of the $65 million planes as part of an ongoing effort to replace aging jets such as the C-20, an older Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. plane that costs about $6,100 an hour to operate, compared with less than $2,700 for the C-37, according to department figures.

(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32320906/ns/politics-capitol_hill/#storyContinued)The move raised eyebrows from some Congress-watchers since the planes are sometimes used to ferry lawmakers on overseas trips. And the House measure directs that two of the aircraft be located at Andrews Air Force Base in the Washington suburbs — a favored departure point for congressional trips.

"Congress decided, 'No, no, you're going to buy two more — and those two are going to go to those units right here at Andrews,'" said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a budget watchdog group. "The Air Force is planning to replace these planes," said House Appropriations Committee spokesman Ellis Brachman. "The question is whether to do it sooner rather than later."

Pelosi's ride
Among the members of Congress who fly on the planes is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who generally flies Pentagon aircraft between Washington and her home in San Francisco. The Pentagon began supplying the planes to her predecessor as Speaker, Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., as part of beefed-up post-Sept. 11, 2001 security steps.

But Pelosi generally flies commercial on political and personal travel such as a trip Thursday between San Francisco and Denver in which she flew first class, accompanied by a security agent. The Pentagon describes the mission of the planes as flying "worldwide special air missions for high-ranking government and Defense Department officials."

According to Appropriations panel spokesman Brachman, members of Congress have been responsible for just one in seven of the flights, with Pentagon brass, White House officials and other Cabinet executives taking up the rest. The planes are made in Georgia by Gulfstream, a subsidiary of General Dynamics. Rep. Sanford Bishop, D-Ga., wrote the Appropriations panel to request $70 million for one of the planes. But the panel did not report this under disclosure rules since Congress was simply expanding an existing program. The purchase of the planes was reported Wednesday by the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call.


Weren't they scolding the three major heads of the Auto Industry some time ago for their use of private jets.

Panchito12
08-07-2009, 04:17 PM
....and those auto executives had the gall to fly into DC in the company planes!!!

Chulo
08-07-2009, 04:17 PM
Nancy got sick of asking the Airforce for a ride, so decided to get one of her own. Good thing the economy is in good health and the nation can afford them. Isnt it about time Congress gave themselves a raise?

Henry's Fork
08-07-2009, 04:26 PM
Them bums should be forced to use amtrak and greyhound to get around. Oh well, we didnt need so many parks and to keep inmates behind bars anyway. Our elected officials come first.

tercio67
08-07-2009, 04:29 PM
From Ares;

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ac4b332af-1448-4c33-b5e5-7b4b30594784

Holmes85
08-07-2009, 04:44 PM
From Ares;

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ac4b332af-1448-4c33-b5e5-7b4b30594784


Thanks for the info tercio.

Now I'm mad, especially after reading this portion....


Q That's all right. The Air Force has apparently asked for a -- for Congress to approve money for a Learjet-type aircraft, an additional Learjet. And Congress --

MR. MORRELL: I think it's a Gulfstream. The jet?

Q Gulfstream, yeah. Sorry. And Congress approved, apparently, money for three of the aircraft. And now I'm hearing also that they had also asked for a seven forty -- a 737, and then Congress gave them money for two additional ones -- two additional aircraft. Did the Air Force need that many jets, if they were asking for, you know one apiece and they're given money for three? Is the fleet getting that outdated, that they --

MR. MORRELL: Yeah. What I would say to this, Mike is we ask for what we need and only what we need. And beyond that, I would direct you to speak to the Congress. If, indeed, this is something that has been added to the budget above and beyond our request, they're the ones who should answer to it. But we make it a point of asking for those things we need and nothing more.

And we've always frowned upon earmarks and additives that are above and beyond what we ask for, because inevitably we, in order to fund those or just, at least, sustain those after they are appropriated or -- we have to find money from elsewhere in the budget to support those new buys. So it comes at a cost to us, even if the up-front money is appropriated above and beyond what our budget request is.

.............

Q Are there serious concerns that maybe you won't accept this, that this becomes another red line?

MR. MORRELL: I don't want to -- I don't want to speak for the secretary. I know what his -- in terms of what may or may not become a red line. I know what his red lines are right now. I've communicated those to you, or at least some of them. I do not know this to be one. But as I said, Luis, anything that is above and beyond what we ask for comes at a price to us, maybe not in the up- front cost of purchasing that aircraft, but in terms of the follow-on maintenance and sustainability of that aircraft, that comes out of our budget and we've got to find dollars elsewhere for programs that are needed in order to fund one that is excess to our needs.
Seems like they're trying to hide the whole cost behind the budget of the military.

Alpheus
08-07-2009, 05:35 PM
WASHINGTON -- Congress plans to spend $550 million to buy eight jets, a substantial upgrade to the fleet used by federal officials at a time when lawmakers have criticized the use of corporate jets by companies receiving taxpayer funds.
The purchases will help accommodate growing travel demand by congressional officials. The planes augment a fleet of about two dozen passenger jets maintained by the Air Force for lawmakers, administration officials and military chiefs to fly on government trips in the U.S. and abroad.
The congressional shopping list goes beyond what the Air Force had initially requested as part of its annual appropriations. The Pentagon sought to buy one Gulfstream V and one business-class equivalent of a Boeing 737 to replace aging planes. The Defense Department also asked to buy two additional 737s that were being leased.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html

It's not $200 million, it's $550 million. Chump change, I know.

The Dane
08-07-2009, 05:37 PM
Good choise..!
Love Gulfstreams..

Holmes85
08-07-2009, 07:59 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html

It's not $200 million, it's $550 million. Chump change, I know.

Well, that's the last time I trust the MSNBC website, but apparently they still haven't changed the title either.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32320906/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

Note this was at 7:00 PM Central Time.

bababooey
08-10-2009, 05:57 PM
Money for jets, money for foriegn aid, money for military projects...yet...no money for health care, no money for our schools, and taxpayers getting a$$ raped dry. Go figure.

deagle
08-14-2009, 12:25 AM
the PEOPLE do not ok $200 million for cushy VIP jets.!!!!!