Post about Israel - from another forum

[DixieDude]

First off, I have nothing against Israelis. I read this on a gaming forum and thought id post it here to see if it was legit. Something tells me BS, but im not sure.

Second, I have no clue if this has been posted here before, but I thought id give it a shot.

Im not the author.

Bash it all you want.



Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis are prohibited
from buying or leasing land in Israel?

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

Did you know that in the occupied territories Israeli
authorities allocate 85 percent of the water resources
for the tiny Jewish population, and the remaining 15
percent for the vastly larger Arab population? In
Hebron, for example, 85 percent of the water is set
aside for about 400 Jewish "settlers," while 15
percent must be divided among Hebron's 120,000
non-Jews.

Did you know that the United States provides Israel
with $5 billion in aid each year?

Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds
annual US aid to all the countries of sub-Saharan
Africa combined?

Did you know that the Israel is the only country in
the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?

Did you know that the Israel is the only country in
the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear
non-proliferation treaty, and bars international
inspection of its sites?

Did you know that for more than 30 years Israel has
occupied territory of neighboring Syria in defiance of
international law and United Nations Security Council
resolutions?

Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely
sent assassins to kill political enemies in other
countries?

Did you know that high-ranking Israel Defense Forces
officers have admitted publicly that IDF troops
summarily killed unarmed prisoners of war?

Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute IDF
troops who have acknowledged executing prisoners of
war?

Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank
accounts, businesses and land of non-Jews, and refuses
to pay compensation to the victims?

Did you know that on June 8, 1967, Israeli war planes
attacked an American naval ship, the USS Liberty, in
international waters, killing 34 American sailors, and
wounding a further 171?

Did you know that the second most powerful lobbying
organization in the United States, according to a
recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders,
is the Jewish AIPAC?

Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69
United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

Did you know that today's Israel includes the former
sites of more than 400 now-vanished Palestinian
villages, and that the Zionists have re-named nearly
every physical site in the country to cover up the
traces of their confiscation?

Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel -- M.
Begin, Y. Shamir, Y. Rabin, and A. Sharon -- have
taken part in bomb attacks against civilians,
massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of
civilians from their villages?

Did you know that Israel's Foreign Ministry pays two
American public relations firms to promote Israel to
the American public?

Did you know that Sharon's coalition government
includes a party -- Molodet -- that advocates
expelling all non-Jews from the occupied territories?

Did you know that in the eight years since the signing
of the Oslo accord, Israel has increased its building
of Jewish "settlements," in violations of the accord?

Did you know that building of Jewish "settlements" in
the occupied territories doubled under the "moderate"
prime minister Ehud Barak, compared to the "hardline"
prime minister B. Netanyahu?

Did you know that Israel once issued a postage stamp
commemorating a man who attacked a civilian bus and
killed several people?

Did you know that recently declassified documents
indicate that Israel's first prime minister, David
Ben-Gurion, in at least some instances approved of the
expulsion of Palestinians in 1948?

Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's
High Court of Justice, Israel's "Shin Bet"
interrogators have continued to torture Palestinian
prisoners?

Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the
largest portion of the world's refugee population?

The Israeli government and military receive
$15,139,178* from the U.S. every day; Palestinian
NGO’s receive $568,744** from the U.S. each day.
“Generous as it is, what Israel actually got in U.S.
aid is considerably less than what it has cost U.S.
taxpayers to provide it. The principal difference is
that so long as the U.S. runs an annual budget
deficit, every dollar of aid the U.S. gives Israel has
to be raised through U.S. government borrowing.”

Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem,
borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N.
resolutions against Israel over the years are its
unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of
the human rights of the Palestinians, including
deportations, demolitions of homes and other
collective punishments; its confiscation of
Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal
settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N.
Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative
to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.

2,958 Palestinians and 963 Israelis have been killed
since September 29, 2000.

Although it is not often reported by the press, a
large proportion of American diplomatic and military
experts have long held that U.S. support of Israel is
often contrary to and, in fact, extremely damaging to
U.S. interests.

Support for Israel interferes with: American relations
with the oil-producing nations, with whom we
previously had friendly ties; with Muslim consumers,
who represent 1.2 billion people world-wide; and
removes much-needed money from domestic American
requirements — tax revenues that could be addressed to
domestic needs are instead sent abroad to prop up a
system of discrimination that is antithetical to
American principles of equality and democracy.

In addition, the ‘special relationship’ between the
U.S. and Israel is increasingly imperiling American
lives.

Why, then, is this done? Close examination of the
history and current situation reveals that U.S.
policies in the Middle East are rarely driven by U.S.
interests. Rather, they are largely driven by two very
different factors:

Special-interest lobbying of the sort that is common
to Washington. The only difference from typical lobby
groups is that this lobbying is on behalf of a foreign
government. Fortune Magazine rates one of the many
lobby organizations working on behalf of Israel,
AIPAC, as the fourth most powerful lobby in
Washington. In total, many experts rate the pro-Israel
interest group as the most powerful lobby in
Washington.

The efforts of a growing number of individuals with
close ties to Israel (known as neoconservatives) who
have attained key positions at high levels of the U.S.
administration, State Department, and Pentagon.

Interestingly, the oil and weapons industries,
although very influential over parts of American
Middle East policy, are not responsible for our
relationship with Israel. In fact, quite often both of
these industries find our support for Israel
undermines their corporate interests in the region.

“A New Pearl Harbor”
Two years ago a project set up by the men who now
surround George W Bush said what America needed was “a
new Pearl Harbor.” Its published aims have,
alarmingly, come true.

By John Pilger
Originally printed in the New Statesman
December 16, 2002

The threat posed by US terrorism to the security of
nations and individuals was outlined in prophetic
detail in a document written more than two years ago
and disclosed only recently. What was needed for
America to dominate much of humanity and the world’s
resources, it said, was “some catastrophic and
catalysing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”. The
attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the “new Pearl
Harbor”, described as “the opportunity of ages”. The
extremists who have since exploited 11 September come
from the era of Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups
and “think-tanks” were established to avenge the
American “defeat” in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was
an added agenda: to justify the denial of a “peace
dividend” following the cold war. The Project for the
New American Century was formed, along with the
American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute
and others that have since merged the ambitions of the
Reagan administration with those of the current Bush
regime.

One of George W Bush’s “thinkers” is Richard Perle. I
interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and
when he spoke about “total war”, I mistakenly
dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again
in describing America’s “war on terror”. “No stages,”
he said. “This is total war. We are fighting a variety
of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this
talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then
we will do Iraq... this is entirely the wrong way to
go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go
forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don’t try to
piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total
war... our children will sing great songs about us
years from now.”

Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the
New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include
**** Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld,
defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence
secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff,
William J Bennett, Reagan’s education secretary, and
Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush’s ambassador to Afghanistan.
These are the modern chartists of American terrorism.
The PNAC’s seminal report, Rebuilding America’s
Defences: strategy, forces and resources for a new
century, was a blueprint of American aims in all but
name. Two years ago it recommended an increase in
arms-spending by $48bn so that Washington could “fight
and win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars”.
This has happened. It said the United States should
develop “bunker-buster” nuclear weapons and make “star
wars” a national priority. This is happening. It said
that, in the event of Bush taking power, Iraq should
be a target. And so it is.

As for Iraq’s alleged “weapons of mass destruction”,
these were dismissed, in so many words, as a
convenient excuse, which it is. “While the unresolved
conflict with Iraq provides the immediate
justification,” it says, “the need for a substantial
American force presence in the Gulf transcends the
issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” How has this
grand strategy been implemented? A series of articles
in the Washington Post, co-authored by Bob Woodward of
Watergate fame and based on long interviews with
senior members of the Bush administration, reveals how
11 September was manipulated.

On the morning of 12 September 2001, without any
evidence of who the hijackers were, Rumsfeld demanded
that the US attack Iraq. According to Woodward,
Rumsfeld told a cabinet meeting that Iraq should be “a
principal target of the first round in the war against
terrorism”. Iraq was temporarily spared only because
Colin Powell, the secretary of state, persuaded Bush
that “public opinion has to be prepared before a move
against Iraq is possible”. Afghanistan was chosen as
the softer option. If Jonathan Steele’s estimate in
the Guardian is correct, some 20,000 people in
Afghanistan paid the price of this debate with their
lives.

Time and again, 11 September is described as an
“opportunity”. In last April’s New Yorker, the
investigative reporter Nicholas Lemann wrote that
Bush’s most senior adviser, Condoleezza Rice, told him
she had called together senior members of the National
Security Council and asked them “to think about ‘how
do you capitalise on these opportunities’”, which she
compared with those of “1945 to 1947”: the start of
the cold war. Since 11 September, America has
established bases at the gateways to all the major
sources of fossil fuels, especially central Asia. The
Unocal oil company is to build a pipeline across
Afghanistan. Bush has scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on
greenhouse gas emissions, the war crimes provisions of
the International Criminal Court and the
anti-ballistic missile treaty. He has said he will use
nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states “if
necessary”. Under cover of propaganda about Iraq’s
alleged weapons of mass destruction, the Bush regime
is developing new weapons of mass destruction that
undermine international treaties on biological and
chemical warfare.

In the Los Angeles Times, the military analyst William
Arkin describes a secret army set up by Donald
Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and
Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This
“super-intelligence support activity” will bring
together the “CIA and military covert action,
information warfare, and deception”. According to a
classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new
organisation, known by its Orwellian moniker as the
Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG, will
provoke terrorist attacks which would then require
“counter-attack” by the United States on countries
“harbouring the terrorists”.

Neoconservatives
Serving Two Flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush
Administration

Interview with Karen Kwiatkowski

Insider Series by Senior Air Force Officer

How Neo-cons Influence the Pentagon

A Costly Friendship

Career Officer Does Eye-Opening Stint Inside Pentagon

A Costly Friendship

The Weird Men Behind George W. Bush's War

White Man's Burden

“A New Pearl Harbor”

A Rose by Another Name: The Bush Administration‘s Dual
Loyalties


In other words, innocent people will be killed by the
United States. This is reminiscent of Operation
Northwoods, the plan put to President Kennedy by his
military chiefs for a phoney terrorist campaign -
complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and
dead Americans - as justification for an invasion of
Cuba. Kennedy rejected it. He was assassinated a few
months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected Northwoods,
but with resources undreamt of in 1963 and with no
global rival to invite caution. You have to keep
reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly
dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney,
have power. The thread running through their
ruminations is the importance of the media: “the
prioritised task of bringing on board journalists of
repute to accept our position”.

“Our position” is code for lying. Certainly, as a
journalist, I have never known official lying to be
more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the
vacuities in Tony Blair’s “Iraq dossier” and Jack
Straw’s inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear
bomb (which his minions rushed to “explain”). But the
more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack
on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are
said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely
channelled as news. They are not news; they are black
propaganda.

This corruption makes journalists and broadcasters
mere ventriloquists’ dummies. An attack on a nation of
22 million suffering people is discussed by liberal
commentators as if it were a subject at an academic
seminar, at which pieces can be pushed around a map,
as the old imperialists used to do.

The issue for these humanitarians is not primarily the
brutality of modern imperial domination, but how “bad”
Saddam Hussein is. There is no admission that their
decision to join the war party further seals the fate
of perhaps thousands of innocent Iraqis condemned to
wait on America’s international death row. Their
doublethink will not work. You cannot support
murderous piracy in the name of humanitarianism.
Moreover, the extremes of American fundamentalism that
we now face have been staring at us for too long for
those of good heart and sense not to recognise them.


Just want your opinions.

[UoUo]

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

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[UoUo]

Special-interest lobbying of the sort that is common
to Washington. The only difference from typical lobby
groups is that this lobbying is on behalf of a foreign
government. Fortune Magazine rates one of the many
lobby organizations working on behalf of Israel,
AIPAC, as the fourth most powerful lobby in
Washington. In total, many experts rate the pro-Israel
interest group as the most powerful lobby in
Washington.

The efforts of a growing number of individuals with
close ties to Israel (known as neoconservatives) who
have attained key positions at high levels of the U.S.
administration, State Department, and Pentagon.




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[mrfloppy]

BS! You found this on a gaming forum - that says it all! The problem with the internet is, that there are many rumours and myths being spread and that there are too many people that fall for those stories. You may find out that unfortunately there are also some "experts" on this forum that tend to represent extreme views - either like the one above or quite the contrary of it.

[UoUo]

First off, I have nothing against the Jews. I read this on a gaming forum and thought id post it here to see if it was legit. Something tells me BS, but im not sure.

Second, I have no clue if this has been posted here before, but I thought id give it a shot.

Im not the author.

Bash it all you want.



Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis are prohibited
from buying or leasing land in Israel?

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

Did you know that in the occupied territories Israeli
authorities allocate 85 percent of the water resources
for the tiny Jewish population, and the remaining 15
percent for the vastly larger Arab population? In
Hebron, for example, 85 percent of the water is set
aside for about 400 Jewish "settlers," while 15
percent must be divided among Hebron's 120,000
non-Jews.

Did you know that the United States provides Israel
with $5 billion in aid each year?

Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds
annual US aid to all the countries of sub-Saharan
Africa combined?

Did you know that the Israel is the only country in
the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?

Did you know that the Israel is the only country in
the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear
non-proliferation treaty, and bars international
inspection of its sites?

Did you know that for more than 30 years Israel has
occupied territory of neighboring Syria in defiance of
international law and United Nations Security Council
resolutions?

Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely
sent assassins to kill political enemies in other
countries?

Did you know that high-ranking Israel Defense Forces
officers have admitted publicly that IDF troops
summarily killed unarmed prisoners of war?

Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute IDF
troops who have acknowledged executing prisoners of
war?

Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank
accounts, businesses and land of non-Jews, and refuses
to pay compensation to the victims?

Did you know that on June 8, 1967, Israeli war planes
attacked an American naval ship, the USS Liberty, in
international waters, killing 34 American sailors, and
wounding a further 171?

Did you know that the second most powerful lobbying
organization in the United States, according to a
recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders,
is the Jewish AIPAC?

Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69
United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

Did you know that today's Israel includes the former
sites of more than 400 now-vanished Palestinian
villages, and that the Zionists have re-named nearly
every physical site in the country to cover up the
traces of their confiscation?

Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel -- M.
Begin, Y. Shamir, Y. Rabin, and A. Sharon -- have
taken part in bomb attacks against civilians,
massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of
civilians from their villages?

Did you know that Israel's Foreign Ministry pays two
American public relations firms to promote Israel to
the American public?

Did you know that Sharon's coalition government
includes a party -- Molodet -- that advocates
expelling all non-Jews from the occupied territories?

Did you know that in the eight years since the signing
of the Oslo accord, Israel has increased its building
of Jewish "settlements," in violations of the accord?

Did you know that building of Jewish "settlements" in
the occupied territories doubled under the "moderate"
prime minister Ehud Barak, compared to the "hardline"
prime minister B. Netanyahu?

Did you know that Israel once issued a postage stamp
commemorating a man who attacked a civilian bus and
killed several people?

Did you know that recently declassified documents
indicate that Israel's first prime minister, David
Ben-Gurion, in at least some instances approved of the
expulsion of Palestinians in 1948?

Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's
High Court of Justice, Israel's "Shin Bet"
interrogators have continued to torture Palestinian
prisoners?

Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the
largest portion of the world's refugee population?

The Israeli government and military receive
$15,139,178* from the U.S. every day; Palestinian
NGO’s receive $568,744** from the U.S. each day.
“Generous as it is, what Israel actually got in U.S.
aid is considerably less than what it has cost U.S.
taxpayers to provide it. The principal difference is
that so long as the U.S. runs an annual budget
deficit, every dollar of aid the U.S. gives Israel has
to be raised through U.S. government borrowing.”

Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem,
borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N.
resolutions against Israel over the years are its
unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of
the human rights of the Palestinians, including
deportations, demolitions of homes and other
collective punishments; its confiscation of
Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal
settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N.
Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative
to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.

2,958 Palestinians and 963 Israelis have been killed
since September 29, 2000.

Although it is not often reported by the press, a
large proportion of American diplomatic and military
experts have long held that U.S. support of Israel is
often contrary to and, in fact, extremely damaging to
U.S. interests.

Support for Israel interferes with: American relations
with the oil-producing nations, with whom we
previously had friendly ties; with Muslim consumers,
who represent 1.2 billion people world-wide; and
removes much-needed money from domestic American
requirements — tax revenues that could be addressed to
domestic needs are instead sent abroad to prop up a
system of discrimination that is antithetical to
American principles of equality and democracy.

In addition, the ‘special relationship’ between the
U.S. and Israel is increasingly imperiling American
lives.

Why, then, is this done? Close examination of the
history and current situation reveals that U.S.
policies in the Middle East are rarely driven by U.S.
interests. Rather, they are largely driven by two very
different factors:

Special-interest lobbying of the sort that is common
to Washington. The only difference from typical lobby
groups is that this lobbying is on behalf of a foreign
government. Fortune Magazine rates one of the many
lobby organizations working on behalf of Israel,
AIPAC, as the fourth most powerful lobby in
Washington. In total, many experts rate the pro-Israel
interest group as the most powerful lobby in
Washington.

The efforts of a growing number of individuals with
close ties to Israel (known as neoconservatives) who
have attained key positions at high levels of the U.S.
administration, State Department, and Pentagon.

Interestingly, the oil and weapons industries,
although very influential over parts of American
Middle East policy, are not responsible for our
relationship with Israel. In fact, quite often both of
these industries find our support for Israel
undermines their corporate interests in the region.

“A New Pearl Harbor”
Two years ago a project set up by the men who now
surround George W Bush said what America needed was “a
new Pearl Harbor.” Its published aims have,
alarmingly, come true.

By John Pilger
Originally printed in the New Statesman
December 16, 2002

The threat posed by US terrorism to the security of
nations and individuals was outlined in prophetic
detail in a document written more than two years ago
and disclosed only recently. What was needed for
America to dominate much of humanity and the world’s
resources, it said, was “some catastrophic and
catalysing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”. The
attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the “new Pearl
Harbor”, described as “the opportunity of ages”. The
extremists who have since exploited 11 September come
from the era of Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups
and “think-tanks” were established to avenge the
American “defeat” in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was
an added agenda: to justify the denial of a “peace
dividend” following the cold war. The Project for the
New American Century was formed, along with the
American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute
and others that have since merged the ambitions of the
Reagan administration with those of the current Bush
regime.

One of George W Bush’s “thinkers” is Richard Perle. I
interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and
when he spoke about “total war”, I mistakenly
dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again
in describing America’s “war on terror”. “No stages,”
he said. “This is total war. We are fighting a variety
of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this
talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then
we will do Iraq... this is entirely the wrong way to
go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go
forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don’t try to
piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total
war... our children will sing great songs about us
years from now.”

Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the
New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include
**** Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld,
defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence
secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff,
William J Bennett, Reagan’s education secretary, and
Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush’s ambassador to Afghanistan.
These are the modern chartists of American terrorism.
The PNAC’s seminal report, Rebuilding America’s
Defences: strategy, forces and resources for a new
century, was a blueprint of American aims in all but
name. Two years ago it recommended an increase in
arms-spending by $48bn so that Washington could “fight
and win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars”.
This has happened. It said the United States should
develop “bunker-buster” nuclear weapons and make “star
wars” a national priority. This is happening. It said
that, in the event of Bush taking power, Iraq should
be a target. And so it is.

As for Iraq’s alleged “weapons of mass destruction”,
these were dismissed, in so many words, as a
convenient excuse, which it is. “While the unresolved
conflict with Iraq provides the immediate
justification,” it says, “the need for a substantial
American force presence in the Gulf transcends the
issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” How has this
grand strategy been implemented? A series of articles
in the Washington Post, co-authored by Bob Woodward of
Watergate fame and based on long interviews with
senior members of the Bush administration, reveals how
11 September was manipulated.

On the morning of 12 September 2001, without any
evidence of who the hijackers were, Rumsfeld demanded
that the US attack Iraq. According to Woodward,
Rumsfeld told a cabinet meeting that Iraq should be “a
principal target of the first round in the war against
terrorism”. Iraq was temporarily spared only because
Colin Powell, the secretary of state, persuaded Bush
that “public opinion has to be prepared before a move
against Iraq is possible”. Afghanistan was chosen as
the softer option. If Jonathan Steele’s estimate in
the Guardian is correct, some 20,000 people in
Afghanistan paid the price of this debate with their
lives.

Time and again, 11 September is described as an
“opportunity”. In last April’s New Yorker, the
investigative reporter Nicholas Lemann wrote that
Bush’s most senior adviser, Condoleezza Rice, told him
she had called together senior members of the National
Security Council and asked them “to think about ‘how
do you capitalise on these opportunities’”, which she
compared with those of “1945 to 1947”: the start of
the cold war. Since 11 September, America has
established bases at the gateways to all the major
sources of fossil fuels, especially central Asia. The
Unocal oil company is to build a pipeline across
Afghanistan. Bush has scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on
greenhouse gas emissions, the war crimes provisions of
the International Criminal Court and the
anti-ballistic missile treaty. He has said he will use
nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states “if
necessary”. Under cover of propaganda about Iraq’s
alleged weapons of mass destruction, the Bush regime
is developing new weapons of mass destruction that
undermine international treaties on biological and
chemical warfare.

In the Los Angeles Times, the military analyst William
Arkin describes a secret army set up by Donald
Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and
Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This
“super-intelligence support activity” will bring
together the “CIA and military covert action,
information warfare, and deception”. According to a
classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new
organisation, known by its Orwellian moniker as the
Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG, will
provoke terrorist attacks which would then require
“counter-attack” by the United States on countries
“harbouring the terrorists”.

Neoconservatives
Serving Two Flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush
Administration

Interview with Karen Kwiatkowski

Insider Series by Senior Air Force Officer

How Neo-cons Influence the Pentagon

A Costly Friendship

Career Officer Does Eye-Opening Stint Inside Pentagon

A Costly Friendship

The Weird Men Behind George W. Bush's War

White Man's Burden

“A New Pearl Harbor”

A Rose by Another Name: The Bush Administration‘s Dual
Loyalties


In other words, innocent people will be killed by the
United States. This is reminiscent of Operation
Northwoods, the plan put to President Kennedy by his
military chiefs for a phoney terrorist campaign -
complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and
dead Americans - as justification for an invasion of
Cuba. Kennedy rejected it. He was assassinated a few
months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected Northwoods,
but with resources undreamt of in 1963 and with no
global rival to invite caution. You have to keep
reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly
dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney,
have power. The thread running through their
ruminations is the importance of the media: “the
prioritised task of bringing on board journalists of
repute to accept our position”.

“Our position” is code for lying. Certainly, as a
journalist, I have never known official lying to be
more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the
vacuities in Tony Blair’s “Iraq dossier” and Jack
Straw’s inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear
bomb (which his minions rushed to “explain”). But the
more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack
on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are
said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely
channelled as news. They are not news; they are black
propaganda.

This corruption makes journalists and broadcasters
mere ventriloquists’ dummies. An attack on a nation of
22 million suffering people is discussed by liberal
commentators as if it were a subject at an academic
seminar, at which pieces can be pushed around a map,
as the old imperialists used to do.

The issue for these humanitarians is not primarily the
brutality of modern imperial domination, but how “bad”
Saddam Hussein is. There is no admission that their
decision to join the war party further seals the fate
of perhaps thousands of innocent Iraqis condemned to
wait on America’s international death row. Their
doublethink will not work. You cannot support
murderous piracy in the name of humanitarianism.
Moreover, the extremes of American fundamentalism that
we now face have been staring at us for too long for
those of good heart and sense not to recognise them.



And after all: rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

That was good!!!! rofl rofl We are so evil...and we are done so much harm to the USA... :bash: :bash:











again




rofl rofl

[2RHPZ]

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

No!! it's killing me rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: rofl rofl

All non-citizen in Czech republic must have a license plate with different colors. Czechs have black numbers/white LP ... non-citizens yellow numbers/darkblue LP.

[UoUo]

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

No!! it's killing me rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: rofl rofl

All non-citizen in Czech republic must have a license plate with different colors. Czechs have black numbers/white LP ... non-citizens yellow numbers/darkblue LP.

Good for you..but they told here that we give license plate with different colors to all non jews...so first non jews with israeli citinzship have the same color jews have..and offcorse pal' don't have our colors...LOL why USA don't give canada the same color they have? rofl

[DixieDude]

Maybe I should have posted this in the Humor and Off topic section :lol:

Damn gamer.....I'll find that link to those forums.

[UoUo]

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

Soory but it's so dammmm funny rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Brozozo]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.

[UoUo]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.

Yeah **** you. :D

[Brozozo]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.

Yeah f*** you. :D

Well, if you disagree, tell me why...

[UkrainianAmerican]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.
US isnt 'funding' Israel or the IDF. It supports Israel politically, yes, but in terms of money, most of it is loans, as in it gets it back (maybe even with interest, so it benefits both economies). This not too mention that US-Israel relationship is not exactly a one way parasytical relationship either by any chance. Israeli intelligence in the region constatntyl helps the US one, etc. During the cold war, Israel shared it analasys of the Soviet Bloc's weapon etc. So this benefits both parties.
Now, WHY my country is giving EGYPT 2 bil a year, I dont know.

[UoUo]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.

Yeah f*** you. :D

Well, if you disagree, tell me why...

People like you just make me sick....yeah..the usa will sell us to the arabs And cut the support...in the short term it will help USA...but in the long term it will **** the world...

Yeah..ermember ww2 and selling countries to germany to avoid war.

BTW : in 91 when the Scuds fell on us and we didn't do nothing!! just to help USA not to break there colation...

And BTW: if the all world will not support usa..and all the ****ing countries in the middle east won't agree that USA will use thier bases..the USA can count on Israel....key place.

BTW: Israel has nukes...you don't wnat her to get mad.

[Brozozo]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.

Yeah f*** you. :D

Well, if you disagree, tell me why...

People like you just make me sick....yeah..the usa will sell us to the arabs And cut the support...in the short term it will help USA...but in the long term it will f*** the world...

Yeah..ermember ww2 and selling countries to germany to avoid war.

BTW : in 91 when the Scuds fell on us and we didn't do nothing!! just to help USA not to break there colation...

And BTW: if the all world will not support usa..and all the f*** countries in the middle east won't agree that USA will use thier bases..the USA can count on Israel....key place.

BTW: Israel has nukes...you don't wnat her to get mad.

Yup, the USA is gonna sell you to the Arabs just because its stops giving you 5 billion a year, good excuse.

I believe you were one of the members of this forum claiming that the IDF is the most powerful force in the mid east and no towel-head camel-jockey is gonna **** with your Merks and Apaches, if so, what do you need the Americans for?

[DixieDude]

http://forums.rpgforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5&page=1&sort=lastpost&order=&pp=35&daysprune=-1


Somewhere in there. Do a seach or something.

I believe the thread title was "Did you know"....but it was a long time ago when I read it there.

[UoUo]

I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.

Yeah f*** you. :D

Well, if you disagree, tell me why...

People like you just make me sick....yeah..the usa will sell us to the arabs And cut the support...in the short term it will help USA...but in the long term it will f*** the world...

Yeah..ermember ww2 and selling countries to germany to avoid war.

BTW : in 91 when the Scuds fell on us and we didn't do nothing!! just to help USA not to break there colation...

And BTW: if the all world will not support usa..and all the f*** countries in the middle east won't agree that USA will use thier bases..the USA can count on Israel....key place.

BTW: Israel has nukes...you don't wnat her to get mad.



I believe you were one of the members of this forum claiming that the IDF is the most powerful force in the mid east and no towel-head camel-jockey is gonna f*** with your Merks and Apaches, if so, what do you need the Americans for?

:roll:

Like i said...**** you..anyway the American not going to stop support us. :D

[Moledet]

Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis are prohibited
from buying or leasing land in Israel?

No, because it's a lie.



Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel
and the occupied territories are color-coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

The PA has it's own car plates, Israeli arabs has a yellow plate like all the Israeli citizens.



Did you know that in the occupied territories Israeli
authorities allocate 85 percent of the water resources
for the tiny Jewish population, and the remaining 15
percent for the vastly larger Arab population? In
Hebron, for example, 85 percent of the water is set
aside for about 400 Jewish "settlers," while 15
percent must be divided among Hebron's 120,000
non-Jews.

LOL, in Gaza strip 4% of all the water go to the settlers, all the rest go to the Palestiians for free.



Did you know that the United States provides Israel
with $5 billion in aid each year?

No, because it's 2-3 billion and it's being spent only on US products, thus it creates jobs for people in the USA.



Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds
annual US aid to all the countries of sub-Saharan
Africa combined?

Dunno how much aid they get, if it's less than 3 billiob than it's right.



Did you know that the Israel is the only country in
the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?

Ssshhhhhhhhhhhhh, it's a textile factory :)



Did you know that the Israel is the only country in
the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear
non-proliferation treaty, and bars international
inspection of its sites?

Hmmm so? At least we don't lie to the UN and we don't violate the treaty (like Iran).



Did you know that for more than 30 years Israel has
occupied territory of neighboring Syria in defiance of
international law and United Nations Security Council
resolutions?

No, because in 1999 the UN gave us this territory and it became part of Israel's recognized boarders.



Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely
sent assassins to kill political enemies in other
countries?

Heh, who?



Did you know that high-ranking Israel Defense Forces
officers have admitted publicly that IDF troops
summarily killed unarmed prisoners of war?

No, but I'll be happy to get a source that shows that.
P.S. the arabian armies killed many IDF soldiers in torture chambers.



Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute IDF
troops who have acknowledged executing prisoners of
war?

Name? Legitimate Source?



Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank
accounts, businesses and land of non-Jews, and refuses
to pay compensation to the victims?

The only bank account is Araffat's bank account. The land was taken in time of war and we adopted the european WW2 law that said that you can't reclaim your home back.



Did you know that on June 8, 1967, Israeli war planes
attacked an American naval ship, the USS Liberty, in
international waters, killing 34 American sailors, and
wounding a further 171?

Yes I knew about it, it was proven that this attack was a mistake, the pilots tapes showed that they thought that it's an enemy ship.



Did you know that the second most powerful lobbying
organization in the United States, according to a
recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders,
is the Jewish AIPAC?

What's wrong with that? Probably the first is some Christian organization, I don't see them crying about that.



Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69
United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

Did you know that there are 56 muslim nations in the UN that every week pass a new resolution against Israel?



Did you know that today's Israel includes the former
sites of more than 400 now-vanished Palestinian
villages, and that the Zionists have re-named nearly
every physical site in the country to cover up the
traces of their confiscation?

All the vilages either got a byblical name or the names have benn translated into Hebrew. No one is trying to hide something.



Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel -- M.
Begin, Y. Shamir, Y. Rabin, and A. Sharon -- have
taken part in bomb attacks against civilians,
massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of
civilians from their villages?

No, because they didn't take part in attacks against civilians, they took part in operations against arabian gangs that attacked the Jewish vilages time after time.
Did you know that Begin is appreciated all over the world for signing the peace deal with Egypt? Did you know that all over the world there are streets that are named after Rabin? Did you know that he signed the peace deal with Jordan and the Oslo agreement with the PA? Ariel sharon as far as I know at that time was about 9 years old. Shamir was a farmer.



Did you know that Israel's Foreign Ministry pays two
American public relations firms to promote Israel to
the American public?

Ofcourse, the Jews control your brains.



A. Moledet is no longer a part of the government.
B. It doesn't support expelling of civilians it supports offering the Palestinians money, home and a job for moving to Jordan.

[quote]
Did you know that in the eight years since the signing
of the Oslo accord, Israel has increased its building
of Jewish "settlements," in violations of the accord?

Did you know that the PA didn't fill even one part of the Oslo accords?



Did you know that building of Jewish "settlements" in
the occupied territories doubled under the "moderate"
prime minister Ehud Barak, compared to the "hardline"
prime minister B. Netanyahu?

And?



Did you know that Israel once issued a postage stamp
commemorating a man who attacked a civilian bus and
killed several people?

What is his name? I've never heard about it.



Did you know that recently declassified documents
indicate that Israel's first prime minister, David
Ben-Gurion, in at least some instances approved of the
expulsion of Palestinians in 1948?

Too bad that it's the same guy that sent them letters that called them to stay and build a country together with us and not flee and to wait that the Arabian armies will slaughter all the Jews.



Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's
High Court of Justice, Israel's "Shin Bet"
interrogators have continued to torture Palestinian
prisoners?

Any proof except of words of propoganda? If you are being tortured you can sue the country, the Palesitnian prissoners know that well because Israel is funding their studies in Israel's open university.



Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the
largest portion of the world's refugee population?

It depends how you look at a "largest portion".



The Israeli government and military receive
$15,139,178* from the U.S. every day; Palestinian
NGO’s receive $568,744** from the U.S. each day.
“Generous as it is, what Israel actually got in U.S.
aid is considerably less than what it has cost U.S.
taxpayers to provide it. The principal difference is
that so long as the U.S. runs an annual budget
deficit, every dollar of aid the U.S. gives Israel has
to be raised through U.S. government borrowing.”

And all the money is being spent in the US.



Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem,
borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N.
resolutions against Israel over the years are its
unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of
the human rights of the Palestinians, including
deportations, demolitions of homes and other
collective punishments; its confiscation of
Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal
settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N.
Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative
to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.

LOL, we don't listen to the Geneva convention? We don't respect human lives? Look at what is happening in Iraq, still there are no resulusiones against the US. Read about what happend in Chechniya, still there were no resulutions against Russia.
All the resulutions apss jsut because there are so many Muslim countries in the UN.



2,958 Palestinians and 963 Israelis have been killed
since September 29, 2000.
[quote]
These numbers include IDF soldiers, Palestinian terrorists, suicide bombers, civilians that were killed by other Palestinians, not all the people were killed by the IDF.

[quote]
Although it is not often reported by the press, a
large proportion of American diplomatic and military
experts have long held that U.S. support of Israel is
often contrary to and, in fact, extremely damaging to
U.S. interests.

Heh.



Support for Israel interferes with: American relations
with the oil-producing nations, with whom we
previously had friendly ties; with Muslim consumers,
who represent 1.2 billion people world-wide; and
removes much-needed money from domestic American
requirements — tax revenues that could be addressed to
domestic needs are instead sent abroad to prop up a
system of discrimination that is antithetical to
American principles of equality and democracy.

So you'll get oil from a country in the other side of the world? It will cost more than using your own oil. Too bad that most of the Muslim "consumers" live in 3rd world countries that can't efford any american product.



In addition, the ‘special relationship’ between the
U.S. and Israel is increasingly imperiling American
lives.

Whatever.



Why, then, is this done? Close examination of the
history and current situation reveals that U.S.
policies in the Middle East are rarely driven by U.S.
interests. Rather, they are largely driven by two very
different factors:

Special-interest lobbying of the sort that is common
to Washington. The only difference from typical lobby
groups is that this lobbying is on behalf of a foreign
government. Fortune Magazine rates one of the many
lobby organizations working on behalf of Israel,
AIPAC, as the fourth most powerful lobby in
Washington. In total, many experts rate the pro-Israel
interest group as the most powerful lobby in
Washington.

The efforts of a growing number of individuals with
close ties to Israel (known as neoconservatives) who
have attained key positions at high levels of the U.S.
administration, State Department, and Pentagon.

Interestingly, the oil and weapons industries,
although very influential over parts of American
Middle East policy, are not responsible for our
relationship with Israel. In fact, quite often both of
these industries find our support for Israel
undermines their corporate interests in the region.

Ofcourse, the Jews control your brains, the world's money and the US :roll:



“A New Pearl Harbor”
Two years ago a project set up by the men who now
surround George W Bush said what America needed was “a
new Pearl Harbor.” Its published aims have,
alarmingly, come true.

By John Pilger
Originally printed in the New Statesman
December 16, 2002

The threat posed by US terrorism to the security of
nations and individuals was outlined in prophetic
detail in a document written more than two years ago
and disclosed only recently. What was needed for
America to dominate much of humanity and the world’s
resources, it said, was “some catastrophic and
catalysing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”. The
attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the “new Pearl
Harbor”, described as “the opportunity of ages”. The
extremists who have since exploited 11 September come
from the era of Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups
and “think-tanks” were established to avenge the
American “defeat” in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was
an added agenda: to justify the denial of a “peace
dividend” following the cold war. The Project for the
New American Century was formed, along with the
American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute
and others that have since merged the ambitions of the
Reagan administration with those of the current Bush
regime.

One of George W Bush’s “thinkers” is Richard Perle. I
interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and
when he spoke about “total war”, I mistakenly
dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again
in describing America’s “war on terror”. “No stages,”
he said. “This is total war. We are fighting a variety
of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this
talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then
we will do Iraq... this is entirely the wrong way to
go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go
forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don’t try to
piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total
war... our children will sing great songs about us
years from now.”

Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the
New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include
**** Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld,
defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence
secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff,
William J Bennett, Reagan’s education secretary, and
Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush’s ambassador to Afghanistan.
These are the modern chartists of American terrorism.
The PNAC’s seminal report, Rebuilding America’s
Defences: strategy, forces and resources for a new
century, was a blueprint of American aims in all but
name. Two years ago it recommended an increase in
arms-spending by $48bn so that Washington could “fight
and win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars”.
This has happened. It said the United States should
develop “bunker-buster” nuclear weapons and make “star
wars” a national priority. This is happening. It said
that, in the event of Bush taking power, Iraq should
be a target. And so it is.

As for Iraq’s alleged “weapons of mass destruction”,
these were dismissed, in so many words, as a
convenient excuse, which it is. “While the unresolved
conflict with Iraq provides the immediate
justification,” it says, “the need for a substantial
American force presence in the Gulf transcends the
issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” How has this
grand strategy been implemented? A series of articles
in the Washington Post, co-authored by Bob Woodward of
Watergate fame and based on long interviews with
senior members of the Bush administration, reveals how
11 September was manipulated.

On the morning of 12 September 2001, without any
evidence of who the hijackers were, Rumsfeld demanded
that the US attack Iraq. According to Woodward,
Rumsfeld told a cabinet meeting that Iraq should be “a
principal target of the first round in the war against
terrorism”. Iraq was temporarily spared only because
Colin Powell, the secretary of state, persuaded Bush
that “public opinion has to be prepared before a move
against Iraq is possible”. Afghanistan was chosen as
the softer option. If Jonathan Steele’s estimate in
the Guardian is correct, some 20,000 people in
Afghanistan paid the price of this debate with their
lives.

Time and again, 11 September is described as an
“opportunity”. In last April’s New Yorker, the
investigative reporter Nicholas Lemann wrote that
Bush’s most senior adviser, Condoleezza Rice, told him
she had called together senior members of the National
Security Council and asked them “to think about ‘how
do you capitalise on these opportunities’”, which she
compared with those of “1945 to 1947”: the start of
the cold war. Since 11 September, America has
established bases at the gateways to all the major
sources of fossil fuels, especially central Asia. The
Unocal oil company is to build a pipeline across
Afghanistan. Bush has scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on
greenhouse gas emissions, the war crimes provisions of
the International Criminal Court and the
anti-ballistic missile treaty. He has said he will use
nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states “if
necessary”. Under cover of propaganda about Iraq’s
alleged weapons of mass destruction, the Bush regime
is developing new weapons of mass destruction that
undermine international treaties on biological and
chemical warfare.

In the Los Angeles Times, the military analyst William
Arkin describes a secret army set up by Donald
Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and
Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This
“super-intelligence support activity” will bring
together the “CIA and military covert action,
information warfare, and deception”. According to a
classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new
organisation, known by its Orwellian moniker as the
Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG, will
provoke terrorist attacks which would then require
“counter-attack” by the United States on countries
“harbouring the terrorists”.

Blah blah blah blah, WMD were found recently, blah blah blah.



Neoconservatives
Serving Two Flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush
Administration

Interview with Karen Kwiatkowski

Insider Series by Senior Air Force Officer

How Neo-cons Influence the Pentagon

A Costly Friendship

Career Officer Does Eye-Opening Stint Inside Pentagon

A Costly Friendship

The Weird Men Behind George W. Bush's War

White Man's Burden

“A New Pearl Harbor”

A Rose by Another Name: The Bush Administration‘s Dual
Loyalties


In other words, innocent people will be killed by the
United States. This is reminiscent of Operation
Northwoods, the plan put to President Kennedy by his
military chiefs for a phoney terrorist campaign -
complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and
dead Americans - as justification for an invasion of
Cuba. Kennedy rejected it. He was assassinated a few
months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected Northwoods,
but with resources undreamt of in 1963 and with no
global rival to invite caution. You have to keep
reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly
dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney,
have power. The thread running through their
ruminations is the importance of the media: “the
prioritised task of bringing on board journalists of
repute to accept our position”.

“Our position” is code for lying. Certainly, as a
journalist, I have never known official lying to be
more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the
vacuities in Tony Blair’s “Iraq dossier” and Jack
Straw’s inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear
bomb (which his minions rushed to “explain”). But the
more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack
on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are
said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely
channelled as news. They are not news; they are black
propaganda.

This corruption makes journalists and broadcasters
mere ventriloquists’ dummies. An attack on a nation of
22 million suffering people is discussed by liberal
commentators as if it were a subject at an academic
seminar, at which pieces can be pushed around a map,
as the old imperialists used to do.

The issue for these humanitarians is not primarily the
brutality of modern imperial domination, but how “bad”
Saddam Hussein is. There is no admission that their
decision to join the war party further seals the fate
of perhaps thousands of innocent Iraqis condemned to
wait on America’s international death row. Their
doublethink will not work. You cannot support
murderous piracy in the name of humanitarianism.
Moreover, the extremes of American fundamentalism that
we now face have been staring at us for too long for
those of good heart and sense not to recognise them.


Somre rmoe blah blah blah that I have no time to read.

[Brozozo]

Hmmm, f*ck me just because I don't agree with giving money to Israel... :roll: pretty pathetic...sounds like you really need that money, feeling insecure about anything?

[UoUo]

Hmmm, f*ck me just because I don't agree with giving money to Israel... :roll: pretty pathetic...sounds like you really need that money, feeling insecure about anything?

:roll:

[Brozozo]

Hmmm, f*ck me just because I don't agree with giving money to Israel... :roll: pretty pathetic...sounds like you really need that money, feeling insecure about anything?

:roll:

:roll: <--- Exactly

You get your panties all in a knot just because I question the amount of aid the US gives Israel and Israel's dependacy on it (or that's what you make it sound like with your bitter and largely unsupported opposition to my opinion).

[UoUo]

Hmmm, f*ck me just because I don't agree with giving money to Israel... :roll: pretty pathetic...sounds like you really need that money, feeling insecure about anything?

:roll:

:roll: <--- Exactly

You get your panties all in a knot just because I question the amount of aid the US gives Israel and Israel's dependacy on it (or that's what you make it sound like with your bitter and largely unsupported opposition to my opinion).

What do you want me to say? 3 billion is small money..simple as that.

[Moledet]

Hmmm, f*ck me just because I don't agree with giving money to Israel... :roll: pretty pathetic...sounds like you really need that money, feeling insecure about anything?

:roll:

:roll: <--- Exactly

You get your panties all in a knot just because I question the amount of aid the US gives Israel and Israel's dependacy on it (or that's what you make it sound like with your bitter and largely unsupported opposition to my opinion).
The aid come as part of the peace deal, Egypt and Jordan also get money. Israel has signed an agreement with the US where it agreed to slowly stop the aid to Israel, Jordan and Egypt didn't sign it.

[IDFM203]

I am going to avoid that whole absurd article, for its just that, absurd, however I will respond to one poster.


I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.Yes I agree!!! (I can hear the shock ghasps from some here ;) )Though just to clear up first, The U.S. isn’t funding Israel or the IDF per say, no its giving 3 billion a year, that’s helping, not funding as the term inplies in generel.

Ok now onto why I agree with you in the need for the stopping of this aid, for I see this aid severely restricting our own world class arms industry as we must spend most if it ONLY back in the U.S. Secondly the aid forces us to be beholden to the “Arabist” state department that is often at times very hypocritical to how the U.S. acts but yet demands complete restraint when we are faced with actions for our defense, which btw is a lot more of a vital national security threat to what the U.S. faces in general.


Now don’t get me wrong, I love the U.S. and I want to remain great friends, but yes I think we pay a very HIGH price for that 3 b, especially when I believe (and perhaps some Israelis here might disagree with me here) we can go on without that aid…………of course that doesn’t mean we can not purchase arms from the U.S. like other nations do, but I just don’t think we need to get them for free, for in essense that money is very far from being “free”.


Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and it doesn’t need to be on a leash for its defense or have its own arms industry suffer, simply because of three billion.

Oh and of course, I would also like to see the other huge arms assistance you give to our Arabs enemies as well, being cut off!!!!!


But yes I do also think, and probably a lot of Israelis here might disagree with me, that yes we should stop receiving this “aid” (well I put on quotations for yes its aid, but most of it MUST be spent back in the U.S. so its not exactly only benefiting us).


Anyways just my take on things...........

Shalom :D

[chauncy republicans]

I am going to avoid that whole absurd article, for its just that, absurd, however I will respond to one poster.


I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.Yes I agree!!! (I can hear the shock ghasps from some here ;) )Though just to clear up first, The U.S. isn’t funding Israel or the IDF per say, no its giving 3 billion a year, that’s helping, not funding as the term inplies in generel.

Ok now onto why I agree with you in the need for the stopping of this aid, for I see this aid severely restricting our own world class arms industry as we must spend most if it ONLY back in the U.S. Secondly the aid forces us to be beholden to the “Arabist” state department that is often at times very hypocritical to how the U.S. acts but yet demands complete restraint when we are faced with actions for our defense, which btw is a lot more of a vital national security threat to what the U.S. faces in general.


Now don’t get me wrong, I love the U.S. and I want to remain great friends, but yes I think we pay a very HIGH price for that 3 b, especially when I believe (and perhaps some Israelis here might disagree with me here) we can go on without that aid…………of course that doesn’t mean we can not purchase arms from the U.S. like other nations do, but I just don’t think we need to get them for free, for in essense that money is very far from being “free”.


Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and it doesn’t need to be on a leash for its defense or have its own arms industry suffer, simply because of three billion.

Oh and of course, I would also like to see the other huge arms assistance you give to our Arabs enemies as well, being cut off!!!!!


But yes I do also think, and probably a lot of Israelis here might disagree with me, that yes we should stop receiving this “aid” (well I put on quotations for yes its aid, but most of it MUST be spent back in the U.S. so its not exactly only benefiting us).


Anyways just my take on things...........

Shalom :D woot

[IDFM203]

Well this isn’t only addressed to you, but I am using your post just to address to anyone like you as well that might support my previous post, but normally don’t agree with a lot of what I write in general.


woot haha :lol: I figured I might get some support this time from people that aren’t our usual friends ;) :roll: ...............well I just hope you fully understand the reasons for what I said for something strongly tells me we have very different reasons and rationales and in my case I believe legitimate gripes for how we ultimatly both agree on the same conclusions.


Shalom :D

[chauncy republicans]

Well this isn’t only addressed to you, but I am using your post just to address to anyone like you as well that might support my previous post, but normally don’t agree with a lot of what I write in general.


woot haha :lol: I figured I might get some support this time from people that aren’t our usual friends ;) :roll: ...............well I just hope you fully understand the reasons for what I said for something strongly tells me we have very different reasons and rationales and in my case I believe legitimate gripes for how we ultimatly both agree on the same conclusions.


Shalom :D
No we dont have different reasons, same ones. I respect Israel and what it has done especially your armed forces, I just dont always agree on the politics. ;)

[chauncy republicans]

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Now don’t get me wrong, I love the U.S. and I want to remain great friends, but yes I think we pay a very HIGH price for that 3 b, especially when I believe (and perhaps some Israelis here might disagree with me here) we can go on without that aid…………of course that doesn’t mean we can not purchase arms from the U.S. like other nations do, but I just don’t think we need to get them for free, for in essense that money is very far from being “free”.


Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and it doesn’t need to be on a leash for its defense or have its own arms industry suffer, simply because of three billion.

Oh and of course, I would also like to see the other huge arms assistance you give to our Arabs enemies as well, being cut off!!!!!

I agree totally.

[IDFM203]

No we dont have different reasons, same ones. I respect Israel and what it has done especially your armed forces, I just dont always agree on the politics. ;)hehe :D I think the exact same quote though just substitute Israel for the U.S. especially when it comes to me not always agreeing with your politics ;)

Btw just so you know, I also don’t always agree with our politics ;) (lets not forget we have a right and a left wing as well and many other "wings" ;) )

ok ok so my last response was more to other people that aren’t exactly a supporter or respectful of us!!

Shalom :D

[chauncy republicans]

No we dont have different reasons, same ones. I respect Israel and what it has done especially your armed forces, I just dont always agree on the politics. ;)hehe :D I think the exact same quote though just substitute Israel for the U.S. especially when it comes to me not always agreeing with your politics ;) :D

[gilgoul]

Thank you for this one, I almost peed in mypants, rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Tell me, people relly believe that?

So let me put a few other

Did you know that jews ahev two little horns and and funny goat like feet?
Did you know that jews eat a little christian toddler with their matzot every passover?
I could go longer but don`t have the strentgh.

[Ichhabe]

After reading the first 8-10 lines, I just stopped. Sweet Fooking Lord...

And why did you called the thread Jews? ????? :cantbeli:

I hope this ****ty thread get locked ASAP!

[ZeroPositive]

I am going to avoid that whole absurd article, for its just that, absurd, however I will respond to one poster.


I don't know about any of the specific facts in that little article but in my opinion the US should stop funding the IDF and Israeli government.Yes I agree!!! (I can hear the shock ghasps from some here ;) )Though just to clear up first, The U.S. isn’t funding Israel or the IDF per say, no its giving 3 billion a year, that’s helping, not funding as the term inplies in generel.

Ok now onto why I agree with you in the need for the stopping of this aid, for I see this aid severely restricting our own world class arms industry as we must spend most if it ONLY back in the U.S. Secondly the aid forces us to be beholden to the “Arabist” state department that is often at times very hypocritical to how the U.S. acts but yet demands complete restraint when we are faced with actions for our defense, which btw is a lot more of a vital national security threat to what the U.S. faces in general.


Now don’t get me wrong, I love the U.S. and I want to remain great friends, but yes I think we pay a very HIGH price for that 3 b, especially when I believe (and perhaps some Israelis here might disagree with me here) we can go on without that aid…………of course that doesn’t mean we can not purchase arms from the U.S. like other nations do, but I just don’t think we need to get them for free, for in essense that money is very far from being “free”.


Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and it doesn’t need to be on a leash for its defense or have its own arms industry suffer, simply because of three billion.

Oh and of course, I would also like to see the other huge arms assistance you give to our Arabs enemies as well, being cut off!!!!!


But yes I do also think, and probably a lot of Israelis here might disagree with me, that yes we should stop receiving this “aid” (well I put on quotations for yes its aid, but most of it MUST be spent back in the U.S. so its not exactly only benefiting us).


Anyways just my take on things...........

Shalom :D woot

double woot

[Brozozo]

After reading the first 8-10 lines, I just stopped. Sweet Fooking Lord...

And why did you called the thread Jews? ????? :cantbeli:

I hope this ****ty thread get locked ASAP!

I do agree that the title is somewhat mediocre but I hope you don't find the term "Jew" offensive (as it is sometimes used by ignorant teens) because that would show immaturity on your part. There just isn't anything else to call them...

Cheers.

[DixieDude]

After reading the first 8-10 lines, I just stopped. Sweet Fooking Lord...

And why did you called the thread Jews? ?????

I hope this ****ty thread get locked ASAP!

I do agree that the title is somewhat mediocre but I hope you don't find the term "Jew" offensive (as it is sometimes used by ignorant teens) because that would show immaturity on your part. There just isn't anything else to call them...



Change the title then or I will. I could care less.

I was simply posting a thread about what someone on another forum posted. I wanted to get opinions from Israelis(in this forum) about what this kid posted.

Im sorry if you found "Jews" offensive. My apologies.

Im glad some of you found the "story" funny. I did too ;)

[Ichhabe]

After reading the first 8-10 lines, I just stopped. Sweet Fooking Lord...

And why did you called the thread Jews? ????? :cantbeli:

I hope this ****ty thread get locked ASAP!

I do agree that the title is somewhat mediocre but I hope you don't find the term "Jew" offensive (as it is sometimes used by ignorant teens) because that would show immaturity on your part. There just isn't anything else to call them...

Cheers.

Show immaturity from my side? Are you kidding me?

The topic had the name Jews?, wich is now changed. Second, this "ignorant" teen open up wit, "I have nothing against jews",... Bells are ringing on my side. If he is so damn curious he then could have snooped and sniffed around on this forum in the older threads. I bet he would have found about 50.000 answers from IDFM203 alone that would give him the answers he was "looking" for. I may be out of line here, but I see that he is from the Good old South. A Dixie. I may be wrong, I may be right. Who knows?. Eh?

[DixieDude]

Thats what I thought :bash:

Oh, and yes I am from good ole' Dixie ;) And im poud of it.

By the way, thanks Moledet for clearing it up. That's exactly what I was wanting.

[Brozozo]

After reading the first 8-10 lines, I just stopped. Sweet Fooking Lord...

And why did you called the thread Jews? ????? :cantbeli:

I hope this ****ty thread get locked ASAP!

I do agree that the title is somewhat mediocre but I hope you don't find the term "Jew" offensive (as it is sometimes used by ignorant teens) because that would show immaturity on your part. There just isn't anything else to call them...

Cheers.

Show immaturity from my side? Are you kidding me?

The topic had the name Jews?, wich is no changed. Second, this "ignorant" teen open up wit, "I have nothing against jews",... Bells are ringing on my side. If he is so damn curious he then could have snooped and sniffed around on this forum in the older threads. I bet he would have found about 50.000 answers from IDFM203 alone that would give him the answers he was "looking" for. I may be out of line here, but I see that he is from the Good old South. A Dixie. I may be wrong, I may be right. Who knows?. Eh?

Don't get me wrong, I never accused you of being immature, it just seemed to me that you found the mere word offensive and I found that rather odd.

No hard feelings.

[Ichhabe]

Read it again smart ass.


Oh, and yes I am from the good ole' Dixie ;) And im poud of it.

I recognize a flame bait when it is soaked in gasoline on a red piece of cloth and waved in front of me. You really think that the Israelis on this board would say;" Oh, yes. That was an accurate and balanced unbiased accusation. Why do we do that. Let's change right now"

If I was let's say, IDFM203: I would in this second be looking up your ISP with an air plane ticket to the Good ol' Dixie in my hand.

[DixieDude]

If I was let's say, IDFM203: I would in this second be looking up your ISP with an air plane ticket to the Good ol' Dixie in my hand.

Why? I never intended to offend him and if I did I apologized.

I think you need a beer. I need one too.

[IDFM203]

Ok I guess since I see my name being thrown about here I am forced to jump in here ;)

In truth I do agree with Ichhabe, for yes there is nothing wrong with saying Jew or Jews per say in midst of a conversation and indeed I am a Jew and I am very I repeat, very proud of it :D However its one thing talking about us Jews and its another thing making the title of a thread Jews, it would be if you made a title of a thread called Blacks.

It just comes off offensive, even if the word itself isn’t.

Your title now is more appropriate.

Btw since I am responding here, I must say that…………….



Im not the author.
So what :roll: ………….you posted it, as such its very lame to hide behind I am not the author crap :roll: ……………when people post a article its as if they give tacit endorsement of said article, at least thats how normal people would interpret things.

IMO it was a ****ty article and yes indeed like Ichhabe said, I probably myself have addressed most of all those points one way or another a thousand times already on this forum.


The whole initial post was absurd and frankly it should not have been posted on this MILITARY site!!



If I was let's say, IDFM203: I would in this second be looking up your ISP with an air plane ticket to the Good ol' Dixie in my hand.hehe :lol: wow nice to see some Norwegian support and back up here :D ……………..anyways I am not pissed off at all……….yes I saw it for what it was, but hell compared to other crap that’s bandied about, this isn’t the worst of it.

(But perhaps on second thought I will get in contact with some of the Zionist regional military commanders of the Dixie area and see what kind of action can be taken p-) :P )




Why? I never intended to offend him and if I did I apologized.

No need to apologize For was I ever offended......I mean when it gets to the level of pure crap, as your inital post was, to be offended would be too much of me flattering that POS post, so no I wasn’t offended, though amused I was.

Anywas yes we can all use a Beer, though make sure its none of that American crap ;)


Anyways,

Shalom to all :D

[chauncy republicans]

Anywas yes we can all use a Beer, though make sure its none of that American crap ;)
Our beer tastes like piss, thats why we have to drink it so cold. :)
BTW Is'nt there an Israeli beer out there called "Tank"?
It comes in a pink can with tanks on it, pretty good tasting too, though I dont know for sure if it's really Israeli.

[DixieDude]

Anywas yes we can all use a Beer, though make sure its none of that American crap ;)


Don't worry, I hate it too. :)

Sorry I posted this thread. I thought it would make for good convo...




Im not the author


So what ………….you posted it, as such its very lame to hide behind I am not the author crap ……………when people post a article its as if they give tacit endorsement of said article, at least thats how normal people would interpret things.


Did I post it on this forum, yes. But I did not write the "story". Therefore I am not the author. ;)

Just wanted opinions, and well, I guess I got them. Its total BS...not suprising though.



(But perhaps on second thought I will get in contact with some of the Zionist regional military commanders of the Dixie area and see what kind of action can be taken p-) :P )


Im planning a trip to Israel next summer. Can you wait until then?
I might be going with a friend....who is Jewish p-)