New Polish Minimi-style MG (prototype)

[tony6]

http://www.rcw.pl/mysl.htm

From upper menu choose "ilustrowana encyklopedia współczesnej broni palnej" by col. (pplk dr inz.) Ryszard Wozniak (page 259).
Enjoy :D

[Herrmannek]

Here is direct link(in polish)
http://www.rcw.pl/pdf/20043/20_Wozni.pdf

[Herrmannek]

kbkm wz. 2003S
http://img31.exs.cx/img31/8586/kbkm_wz2003_001.jpg
http://img31.exs.cx/img31/5378/kbkm_wz2003_002.jpg
kbkm wz. 2003D
http://img31.exs.cx/img31/9051/kbkm_wz2003D_001.jpg
http://img31.exs.cx/img31/6734/kbkm_wz2003D_002.jpg

[tony6]

Thanks Herman-I'm not good at this linking stuff :D
The weapon is called wz.2003 LMG.
S stands for "standard"
D - "desantowy" (airborne)

[perdurabo]

whaa ugly biatch! i hope they change her litle bit to look more badass
but i see rails good good....

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Yeah... ugly as hell

btw. what's happening with UKM-2000?

[Herrmannek]

Yeah... ugly as hell

btw. what's happening with UKM-2000?
UKM is different class called also GPMG, UMG
2003 is from LSW, SAW, LMG type guns

And I think gun is nice.... opticaly well balanced, its only working prototype so don't demand look of finished product :)

[mack pl]

whaa ugly biatch! i hope they change her litle bit to look more badass
but i see rails good good....

yeah, ugly stuff, but who fukin cares, the most important is that we have new LMG :D

[perdurabo]

i wonder how it looks inside

[mack pl]

i wonder how it looks inside

ciekawość to 1szy stopień do piekła p-)


maybe its looks similar to Beryl, dunno :roll:

[-Max2-]

I still prefer the original... p-)

http://www.gunplot.net/armoury/minimi2.jpg

;)

[Herrmannek]

I don't see reasemblences... ;)

[Michael RVR]

Is that an AK-74 style muzzle break on there ? I'm not sure but if it is...

200 rounds of controlled auto fire coming up! ... ;)

[rob]

she may be ugly, but she puts out.

i dont know why, i think its one of the ugliest things i've every seen but i oddy like it.

[tony6]

AFAIK she works fine.
One of the guys who participated in the tests summed:
"working fine, looking ugly"
:D

[Herrmannek]

Is that an AK-74 style muzzle break on there ? I'm not sure but if it is...

200 rounds of controlled auto fire coming up! ... ;)
Style maybe, but construction i think is purely polish...AFAIK its taken from beryl ...

[dez000]

It's "do-able"... :p

Doesn't look very good... But hey if it works...

The folding buttstock looks kinda weak for a LMG... But then again it's just a prototype...

[Phoenix]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

[Herrmannek]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

Idiocy :cantbeli: ...

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

Huh?
So we got an 'expert' here :roll:

[bloddyaxe]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ?

Then would you ask if the US army finds the AK-108 too expensive since they seem intent on developing that G36-mongrel-somthingie...?

[mack pl]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

Huh?
So we got an 'expert' here :roll:

hey, he is german, he know what he talking about :cantbeli:

[perdurabo]

stop bul****ting and try too find some data :-)

[dez000]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

Why buy from another country when you can do it yourself :p

I think its an independence thing too...

[Michael RVR]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

Why buy from another country when you can do it yourself :p

I think its an independence thing too...

And good on them i say woot
Interesting that its in 5.56mm (almost all of what i could gather as i dont speak polish :cantbeli: ), i didn't know the polish army used it - except for the SF i've seen around using M-4's ;)

[mack pl]

Are Hk weapons or FN weapons to expensiv for the polish army ? rofl

Why buy from another country when you can do it yourself :p

I think its an independence thing too...

And good on them i say woot
Interesting that its in 5.56mm (almost all of what i could gather as i dont speak polish :cantbeli: ), i didn't know the polish army used it - except for the SF i've seen around using M-4's ;)
huh, and you didn't heard about Beryl wz.96 :cantbeli: ;)

ohh, well we are using it since few years mate ;)

regards :)

[Herrmannek]

And this is also reason for dewvelpoing our own gun as it must be able to feed from polish ak-alike magazines....

[rob]

well im sure hk would gladly modify their weapon to feed from an ak mag if a large order is guranteed.

im sorry but many contries dont use the g36 or similar rifles. and to those that do does it mean they cant afford the sig rifles. no they just adoted an hk for political or practical reasons.

[REMOV]

well im sure hk would gladly modify their weapon to feed from an ak mag if a large order is guranteed. Why should we buy German instead of buy Polish? Is it so hard to understand? ;)
im sorry but many contries dont use the g36 or similar rifles. AFAIK the G36 is used in two countries' Army - Germany and Spain.
and to those that do does it mean they cant afford the sig rifles. no they just adoted an hk for political or practical reasons.And Poles choice their own military industry. Yeah, it is very strange, isn't it? ;)

BTW - the automatic rifle 5,56mm rkm wz.03S/D is a part of rifle family included assault rifle 5,56mm kbs wz.96/04 Beryl and a carbine 5,56mm kbk Mini Beryl. All of them are fed from the same mags.

[Herrmannek]

BTW - the automatic rifle 5,56mm rkm wz.03S/D is a part of rifle family included assault rifle 5,56mm kbs wz.96/04 Beryl and a carbine 5,56mm kbk Mini Beryl. All of them are fed from the same mags.

REMOV I see you used "rkm" term , and oficial name in that document is "karabinek maszynowy" ~ "kbkm".. Do you know what is real designation name of that wepon?

[REMOV]

REMOV I see you used "rkm" term , and oficial name in that document is "karabinek maszynowy" ~ "kbkm".. There is no such abbreviation as "kbkm" in text, it's your own invention. False. "Karabinek" in WAT terminology is a word used to describe all weapons fed by intermediate cartridge. So, "5,56mm kbs wz.96 Beryl" despite its factory name (kbs means "karabin szturmowy") in fact "karabinek automatyczny" (assault rifle). This weapon (wz.03) is tactically determine as "ręczny karabinek maszynowy" in short "rkm", nothing else and nothing more. But - it's official WAT (WITU) descriptions, there at least two in Poland - historical one (karabin is standard weapon, karabinek is shorter one, there is nothing called "karabinek maszynowy" at all etc.) and manufacturers names (very strange and various - 7,62mm AKMS is karabinek, 5,56mm Mini Beryl is also karabinek, but 5,56mm Beryl is karabin szturmowy).
Do you know what is real designation name of that wepon?I wrote it in the previous message, didn't I?

[perdurabo]

Remov you know how its interior looks? or any kind of data on this ugly biatch?

[REMOV]

Remov you know how its interior looks? or any kind of data on this ugly biatch?Ekhm... Someone posted it before - everything is in this PDF file http://www.rcw.pl/pdf/20043/20_Wozni.pdf (in Polish).

[perdurabo]

my fuzkin explorer dosent want to cooperate with pdf :(

[REMOV]

my fuzkin explorer dosent want to cooperate with pdf :(So, try to download the file on your HDD and then use the Acrobat Reader (you have installed Acrobat Reader, haven't you? ;) ).

[perdurabo]

yeah just made that :)

[rob]

well im sure hk would gladly modify their weapon to feed from an ak mag if a large order is guranteed. Why should we buy German instead of buy Polish? Is it so hard to understand? ;) never said you should, someone mearily stated a reason why hk was not considered and i stated that it may not be the case. but there is no reason you shouldn't
im sorry but many contries dont use the g36 or similar rifles. AFAIK the G36 is used in two countries' Army - Germany and Spain.also portugal, but like i said, many(an even better word, most) countries dont use it
and to those that do does it mean they cant afford the sig rifles. no, they just adoted an hk for political or practical reasons.And Poles choice their own military industry. Yeah, it is very strange, isn't it? ;) no not at all, i get a feeling as if your trying to agrue something to me, but i think where argueing the same side.

BTW - the automatic rifle 5,56mm rkm wz.03S/D is a part of rifle family included assault rifle 5,56mm kbs wz.96/04 Beryl and a carbine 5,56mm kbk Mini Beryl. All of them are fed from the same mags.i hear those mags are very durable and reliable, a good choice, the only concern is the lack of a provision for a bolt hold open(not sure about that being true) and the non nato standard. but i think they are better then the hk mags.i just dont like the studs on the side of the hk mags. call me old fashioned.

[REMOV]

also portugalThanks. Could you tell me when Portugal officialy adopted the G36 (E version or different?)
i hear those mags are very durable and reliable, a good choice, the only concern is the lack of a provision for a bolt hold open(not sure about that being true) Yes, thats true. The 5,56mm kbs wz.96 Beryl hasn't got this feature.
and the non nato standard. Also G36 magazine isn't a NATO standard, right? ;)

[rob]

also portugalThanks. Could you tell me when Portugal officialy adopted the G36 (E version or different?)
i hear those mags are very durable and reliable, a good choice, the only concern is the lack of a provision for a bolt hold open(not sure about that being true) Yes, thats true. The 5,56mm kbs wz.96 Beryl hasn't got this feature.
and the non nato standard. Also G36 magazine isn't a NATO standard, right? ;)

yeah i know they're not standard, never said they where, but with the us army possibly adopting the xm8 who knows.