Amsterdam: FOX news vs. reality

[Red Bar0n]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/29...reilly-fa.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/29/amsterdam-oreilly-fa.html)

Bill O'Reilly recently invited a couple of pert blond Republican strategists to frighten Fox viewers about Amsterdam's lax pot laws, which have made the city a "mess," and "cesspool of corruption."

I honestly don't understand why U.S. government haven't done anything about FOX news yet, you see this kind of reports of FOX every single day, haters and liars, especially that Hannity idiot.

[GazB]

I especially love how they claim that the rest of US media is left wing and that they bring balance by being so right wing...

Claiming to bring balanced news when they admit they have a right wing slant is like claiming to be a moderate... but also demanding the brutal and immediate deaths of all your enemies.

[avedis]

Jeez the US government going after Fox. What weed you smoking. Don't you know the Joos and bilderbugers would not let that happen.

The constitution is a bitch aint it.

And on a serious note how many Fox News related threads are we going to have. Lets put up a sticky thread to cry and bitch about the media, maybe that will please the folks.

[Victis Honor]

nice vid. Been there more times than i can count and its far far far from anarchy:). The only ****ty thing atm is all the freaking construction sites around the central train station.

edit: And we dont get fox news over here so YAY. And a article like that will problabe cuase more US kids to want to coem over and go nuts (and we have enough idiots around alrdy).

[Ordie]

I honestly don't understand why U.S. government haven't done anything about FOX news yet, you see this kind of reports of FOX every single day, haters and liars, especially that Hannity idiot.

Freedom of the press.

If you don't like it, change the channel or don't re-post it and making it viral throughout the web.

Otherwise you become an unwitting promoter of Fox news.

[KoTeMoRe]

Because that's freedom of Speech and Press...

US Constitution and its darn Amendaments! It's like having one or two thousand assault rifles home, you can because of the Constitution.

BTW, if it bothers you, you just turn the TV off.

Edit: Ordie beat me to it.

[PeterRJG]

There ought to be limits to freedom.

[KoTeMoRe]

Nuuuh huuuh, no limits there mein freund...But there are laws here in Europe. Don't know about America or the rest of Barbarian Lands.

[PeterRJG]

Nuuuh huuuh, no limits there mein freund...But there are laws here in Europe. Don't know about America or the rest of Barbarian Lands.

Really? Some of the UK gutter press makes FOX look respectable.

[JJHH]

Haha.. great video..

[Evolv5]

You should see their report on Brussels.
According to them, it's a almost like downtown Jerusalem, except that the Muslims throw rocks on anything with white skin. :roll:

Slight exaggeration.

I just feel sorry for the poor people who believe this crap.

[Afro-European]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/29...reilly-fa.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/29/amsterdam-oreilly-fa.html)

Bill O'Reilly recently invited a couple of pert blond Republican strategists to frighten Fox viewers about Amsterdam's lax pot laws, which have made the city a "mess," and "cesspool of corruption."

I live in Amsterdam and I don't know about the "mess" and "cesspool of corruption" he and his "strategists" are talking about.


I honestly don't understand why U.S. government haven't done anything about FOX news yet, you see this kind of reports of FOX every single day, haters and liars, especially that Hannity idiot.

Freedom of speech.

[Mackie]

You should see their report on Brussels.
According to them, it's a almost like downtown Jerusalem, except that the Muslims throw rocks on anything with white skin. :roll:

Slight exaggeration.

I just feel sorry for the poor people who believe this crap.

But it seems every country needs one of them. Sun, Bild, FoxNews, ..

[antiallegory]

These are not Fox news, they should be named Fox views.
Their aim are stupid Americans...

[Universals]

Political shows are for bean-bags. Read the News and move along... no need for somebody else to interprete it for you (one way or another)

[dacanadianbomb]

Amsterdam a Cesspool of corruption? Anarchy? I dont believe there have been any real riots in holland for the last little while that got anyone killed,unlike lets say the US. Please dont make me spit out my biterballen and shank you with my Sate spiess, you ditsy blond bimbo.I bet she was so excited about being on tv that she had to breath into a paper bag after her 5 second commentary.
O'reilly should be put in a mental institution anyway,who let him out on the loose.

[Xaito]

Amsterdam was pretty nice when I was there.

but here's something for comic relief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP9_ipg9Zl8

[Eagle The Lightning]

Nice to know that we can trust the media :lol:

[Breerman]

I see the regular dumb pothead crew is on it again. Amsterdam is one of western Europe's biggest ****holes. Level it to the ground and leave it to the rats.

The fact that US is in a class of it's own when it comes to the number of airhead drug addicts, 1/10 of all citizens in prison etc. doesn't make Amsterdam any better.

I don't like Bill O'Reilly but I enjoy Fox's previous good reports. The report from Malmö was dead on right. They won me over with that one. Some people don't like to see things that interfere with their flawed perception of reality. It's a ****ed up world out there.

[West Texican]

I don't know anything about Amsterdam but I know a joke about Rotterdam. A 6th grade class was studying the Netherlands. The teacher asked the class to use Rotterdam as the subject of a short essay. One student wrote, "My sister stole my candy and I hope it rot her damn teeth out."rofl

[Red Bar0n]

I just feel sorry for the poor people who believe this crap.

This is exactly my point, FOX news is a bad influence.
U.S. education system + this kind of media, no wonder we are so hostile against each other.

Obviously no one can shut FOX news down but maybe at least someone can move them to the looney section.

[StinkyStreet]

Bill O'Reilly recently invited a couple of pert blond Republican strategists to frighten Fox viewers about Amsterdam's lax pot laws, which have made the city a "mess," and "cesspool of corruption."



This is one of the few times I agree with O'Reilly

http://is.blick.ch/img/gen/a/D/HBaDSAtu_Pxgen_r_452x700.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/red-lights-dim-in-amsterdam/2007/09/21/1189881729980.html
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=28792


but with US drug/crime rates I don't think Bill is in any position to preach

[tercio67]

Amsterdam is actualy one of the less liberal city's in the Netherlands, they curbed a lot of national laws with local ordinances.
But since it usualy is one of the few city's Americans even know about in Europe it gets all the press.

[Lau]

FOX news and those who believe a word of what they report is a bunch of tools. I know this will hurt some of you, my experience is that some people actually believe FOX news is 'the protector of the truth', and that all other media is run by lefties. This is just another example of FOX being noting but propaganda. Even Chinese state TV is more unbiased.

Why is that network so popular in the US?

[Snoshi]

This is exactly my point, FOX news is a bad influence.
U.S. education system + this kind of media, no wonder we are so hostile against each other.

Obviously no one can shut FOX news down but maybe at least someone can move them to the looney section.

Umm what? So Fox news is the reason for tensions between Russia and USA?

Russian media has no part in it? Have you watched RussiaToday? :roll:

[SineJustitia]

Wait a minute... I thinks Bill O' Reilly is actually on to something here...

Apparantly, something dodgy is going on in Amsterdam... (http://www.worldcongress.org/WCF5/wcf5.home.htm)

[omghihi]

this is all you need to know about amsterdam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfluaMKoOY

[Johnny_H02]

Its funny, Fox News would put Pravda to shame the only difference is Pravda represented the whole government of the USSR. Fox only represents a few nutters who enjoy fantasy rather than reality.

[Red Bar0n]

Umm what? So Fox news is the reason for tensions between Russia and USA?

Russian media has no part in it? Have you watched RussiaToday? :roll:

Well i wasn't talking about just Russian and the American people but yes, don't you agree that FOX news contributes to that problem?

And i am pretty sure FOX news is way ahead of RussiaToday when it comes to bs :cantbeli:

[KoTeMoRe]

Its funny, Fox News would put Pravda to shame the only difference is Pravda represented the whole government of the USSR. Fox only represents a few nutters who enjoy fantasy rather than reality.


Was there any difference back in 2003p-).

[OrangeWolf]

Wait a minute... I thinks Bill O' Reilly is actually on to something here...

Apparantly, something dodgy is going on in Amsterdam... (http://www.worldcongress.org/WCF5/wcf5.home.htm)

Those people look like they could organize the most boring and archaic meeting of the year in my country. On the other hand their ideas are not just boring, they sound very pushy and authoritarian. Equating homo******ity and incest, hating on day-care. What on earth are these people doing in my country? Dictating ******ity, what on earth?

No wonder they got support from our own fanatic with his even more useless Department of Youth and Family.

While I am no fan of liberal drug use, I believe a news broadcast from the USA is the last to tell us about drugs policy. Our drug (ab)use and drug-related crime is a complete joke compared to the USA. And the drug laws there seem so repressive as if someone paid the government to fill up jails or something, lol.

Hippies, however, suck terribly.

[somrandom]

Umm what? So Fox news is the reason for tensions between Russia and USA?

Russian media has no part in it? Have you watched RussiaToday? :roll:

You with your sad anti Russian BS as usual. . .

For bias, FOX stills beats RT. Any day.

[Johnny_H02]

Was there any difference back in 2003p-).
I'd say yes, I think that the Fox News Channel did what they did willingly without interference by the big Gov. If it comes out that the White House had direct input on the channel then thats a good comparison to make but I doubt it. They didn't have to, Fox went willingly into their pocket.

[sp2c]

Amsterdam is made of win and forbidden candy

you all just don't get it yet

[Wahnsinn]

This is exactly my point, FOX news is a bad influence.
U.S. education system + this kind of media, no wonder we are so hostile against each other.

Obviously no one can shut FOX news down but maybe at least someone can move them to the looney section.

I think the hostility started a long, long time before the advent of FOX news, I'm thinking sometime during the 1940's and has grown and manifested itself in each respective culture since then.

[West Texican]

Real news outlets are few and far between in the modern world. Fox is entertainment, not news. That goes for ABC, NBC, CBS, CBC, BBC, MSNBC, CNN....the list goes on and on. Broadcast or cable or internet or print, local, national and international, it is reeking of gossip and deceit and driven by politics, greed and ego. The newsperson gives us opinion, opinion, and opinion and sums it all up as fact. The weather forecaster gives us fact, fact, and fact and sums it all up as opinion. Driving on parkways and parking in driveways.

[CMNot]

Don't know about you buddy but round my way, the weather forecaster sells nothing but lies.

[Mackie]

I generally avoid any news related media in the hands of Mr Murdoch.

[West Texican]

Don't know about you buddy but round my way, the weather forecaster sells nothing but lies.


The temperature is a fact, the wind direction is a fact, the humidity is a fact, and so on. The forecast is an opinion. That opinion might be wrong but it is not a lie, it is just wrong.

[tluassa]

http://uglyrepublicans.com/republicans/United-States/Bill-OReilly/oreilly-mad.jpg

This thread makes O reilly really angry and concerned ! :)

[Red Bar0n]

http://uglyrepublicans.com/republicans/United-States/Bill-OReilly/oreilly-mad.jpg

This thread makes O reilly really angry and concerned ! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9agKJUqq44

[Maj C]

i don't particularly like fox news, but they along with sean hannity and oliver north sponsored a charity concert and a foundation that provides full college scholarships to children of KIA and WIA soldiers. they invited several of our Marines and gave them a free dinner with open bar along with VIP passes to meet the singers.

when is msnbc and keith olbermann going to do something like that?

[Hast2]

Freedom of the press.

There's a difference between "freedom of the press" and "lies".

[Russian_dude]

I've been to Amsterdam many times. It's quiet, leafy, polite young people, quiet "square really."

Obviously not as "nice" as Baltimore or Detroit or DC and other drug free cities.

[Gleipnir]

Amsterdam = Good
Fox News = Bad

[Mackie]

http://uglyrepublicans.com/republicans/United-States/Bill-OReilly/oreilly-mad.jpg

This thread makes O reilly really angry and concerned ! :)

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk143/xMackiexl/michelle_malkin_scary1.jpg

[toki]

I see the regular dumb pothead crew is on it again. Amsterdam is one of western Europe's biggest ****holes. Level it to the ground and leave it to the rats.

The fact that US is in a class of it's own when it comes to the number of airhead drug addicts, 1/10 of all citizens in prison etc. doesn't make Amsterdam any better.

I don't like Bill O'Reilly but I enjoy Fox's previous good reports. The report from Malmö was dead on right. They won me over with that one. Some people don't like to see things that interfere with their flawed perception of reality. It's a ****ed up world out there.

Ok first i thought you're being sarcastic. But you're not. Ever been to Amsterdam? Either you haven't been there or you have not seen many cities at all...
No, i don't believe you know Amsterdam.

[Gleipnir]

I agree with Toki's assessment.
I tire of all these idiots who claim that Amsterdam is this, that or the other only to find out they have only ever seen the smallest, most tourist-oriented part of the city - that is, if they have ever even been there.

Furthermore, this horrible bitch that we saw on O'Reilly needs a reality check.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Yeah, Amsterdam sucks. Stay away please.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2919146745_bf0fffb46c.jpg

[el borracho]

Calm down guys, the type of people that regularly watch Fox News are not the ones that like to travel internationally, so chances are you'll never have to deal with these people. Unless you come visit the US...then it's your own damn fault.

[toki]

I agree with Toki's assessment.
I tire of all these idiots who claim that Amsterdam is this, that or the other only to find out they have only ever seen the smallest, most tourist-oriented part of the city - that is, if they have ever even been there.

Furthermore, this horrible bitch that we saw on O'Reilly needs a reality check.
I live two and a half hours from Amsterdam... It's a normal city and since i've seen around five or more bigger American cities, mainly in the east i'd rate all of them worse in the cesspool index than Amsterdam. I've been there so often and i still see it as rather "leafy" as someone pointed out. Not as a day tourist, but staying with friends.

Second of all most people don't get that the laws that exist in Amsterdam are not different to any small dutch town. Prostitution is legal in Germany as well and pot more or less legal in a way that prosecution is down to a minimum. But only Amsterdam has that pothead image. The city that actually has a rougher image IMHO is Rotterdam. Many German cities seem to be rougher than Amsterdam as well.

[seraosha]

What fool actually watches TV for their news?

[DaGreatRV]

I wonder what would happen if O'Reilly's producers learn about Portugal. p-)

[Graspol]

I wonder what would happen if O'Reilly's producers learn about Portugal. p-)


They just recently got to know to pinpoint Amsters, so give them a few months .p-)

[LineDoggie]

Really? Some of the UK gutter press makes FOX look respectable.Ssssssh, never let the moonbats know that. Your talking about people who stil believe we blew up the World Trade Center ourselves.

What would they have left in Life without blaming everything on Fox News and Bush?, Suicides would spike in Seattle, Berkely, San Fran, and SoHo

[MR.9/06]

I see the regular dumb pothead crew is on it again.

Regular dumb pothead crew? -=R.D.P.C.=-


Some people don't like to see things that interfere with their flawed perception of reality.

Very true indeed.

[LineDoggie]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk143/xMackiexl/michelle_malkin_scary1.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/obamagay.jpg Thats just Fabulous....

[tluassa]

I live two and a half hours from Amsterdam... It's a normal city and since i've seen around five or more bigger American cities, mainly in the east i'd rate all of them worse in the cesspool index than Amsterdam. I've been there so often and i still see it as rather "leafy" as someone pointed out. Not as a day tourist, but staying with friends.

Second of all most people don't get that the laws that exist in Amsterdam are not different to any small dutch town. Prostitution is legal in Germany as well and pot more or less legal in a way that prosecution is down to a minimum. But only Amsterdam has that pothead image. The city that actually has a rougher image IMHO is Rotterdam. Many German cities seem to be rougher than Amsterdam as well.

Dutch and Germans are simply cooler and used to drinking, pot and bitches ... its our lifestyle ^^. I can only smile when I read reports about the US prison population and the immense costs of prosecuting people who consume minimal amounts of mariuhana or go to a hooker. (US Police actually sets up false prostitutes "female officers in disguise" to arrest People. Ridiculous if you ask me.) And these are the times when Im really proud of my country ^^ And for the dutch I can only say: Stay as you are, at least your European neighbours like your country a lot. :)

[DaGreatRV]

They just recently got to know to pinpoint Amsters, so give them a few months .p-)

They are going to need those few months to work around some "inconvienient truths" regarding Portugals drug policy. Especially the results. :)

[OrangeWolf]

Dutch and Germans are simply cooler and used to drinking, pot and bitches ... its our lifestyle ^^. I can only smile when I read reports about the US prison population and the immense costs of prosecuting people who consume minimal amounts of mariuhana or go to a hooker. (US Police actually sets up false prostitutes "female officers in disguise" to arrest People. Ridiculous if you ask me.) And these are the times when Im really proud of my country ^^ And for the dutch I can only say: Stay as you are, at least your European neighbours like your country a lot. :)

Like I said before, not a conspiracy thought or anything, but it almost looks like someone in the US actually WANTS a lot of inmates by making insane laws, and making them really harsh too. I wonder how many of their inmates are doing time for prostitution or drug-related crimes.

There's a lot of stuff I do like about the USA. But them (ok let's not generalize, it's fox news) talking about the policy in my country and act like they (FOX) know it all is really stupid. And almost embarassing for them.

[Mackie]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/obamagay.jpg Thats just Fabulous....

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk143/xMackiexl/07-minister.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk143/xMackiexl/michelle-malkin-ff1.jpg

Two persons, same business

[toki]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk143/xMackiexl/michelle-malkin-ff1.jpg


Who is that? Is she legal?

[Mackie]

Who is that? Is she legal?

She's the US version of Sascha Rossmueller. p-)

[toki]

She's the US version of Axel Reitz. p-)
fixed

Seriously, had no clue. Had to google her.

[Aerosoul]

Like I said before, not a conspiracy thought or anything, but it almost looks like someone in the US actually WANTS a lot of inmates by making insane laws, and making them really harsh too. I wonder how many of their inmates are doing time for prostitution or drug-related crimes.

There's a lot of stuff I do like about the USA. But them (ok let's not generalize, it's fox news) talking about the policy in my country and act like they (FOX) know it all is really stupid. And almost embarassing for them.

800,000+ marijuana arrests each year. 89% for simple possession.

The number of marijuana arrests alone far outnumber the amount of arrests made for ALL violent crimes.

The "War on Drugs" fuels the Prison Industrial Complex.

[MR.9/06]

800,000+ marijuana arrests each year. 89% for simple possession.

The number of marijuana arrests alone far outnumber the amount of arrests made for ALL violent crimes.

The "War on Drugs" fuels the Prison Industrial Complex.

How many of those go to jail? 800.000 is A LOT

[LineDoggie]

She's the US version of Sascha Rossmueller. p-) So convienent, compare her to a "Neo-Nazi" type (that is the smear you wanted , right?)because you dont like what she has to say.

So Very "Sophisticated" of you. I suppose you think I'm a Nazi as well since I read her articles and tend to agree with her?

[therifleman]

Keith Olbermann is no worse than O'Reilly. Calling Bush a "fascist" isn't exactly what I call balanced reporting. Way to go MSNBC! It doesn't take much to realize that Fox has a conservative bias, and likewise for msnbc and their liberal agenda. I simply do not take much news I get on TV seriously anymore.




I honestly don't understand why U.S. government haven't done anything about FOX news yet, you see this kind of reports of FOX every single day, haters and liars, especially that Hannity idiot.


You're a complete f*ckwit. 1st Amendment. Look it up sometime.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/29...reilly-fa.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/29/amsterdam-oreilly-fa.html)

Bill O'Reilly recently invited a couple of pert blond Republican strategists to frighten Fox viewers about Amsterdam's lax pot laws, which have made the city a "mess," and "cesspool of corruption."

I honestly don't understand why U.S. government haven't done anything about FOX news yet, you see this kind of reports of FOX every single day, haters and liars, especially that Hannity idiot.

So where's the rebuttal? What I see is video of the wealthy part of town with happy people eating and drinking etc. Did they hire Michael Moore to produce the content of that video? I remember a thread on here a couple of years ago where the police were called in to tear down some kind of tent city/beggars row that had sprung up in the city. Oddly, that's missing from the video.

Any stats comparing a tiny wealthy nation like the Netherlands with a huge diverse nation like the US is kind of foolish. Let's saddle the Netherlands with oh, I don't know, the population of Mississippi and Louisiana and see how their forward-thinking polices (and budgets) hold up.

As far as Fox news goes - I find it no more offensive than any other news/opinion TV show...it's just coming from the other direction. The scary thing to me is that so many Americans are no longer even able to recognize the left spin they get from every other outlet.

[Lau]

i don't particularly like fox news, but they along with sean hannity and oliver north sponsored a charity concert and a foundation that provides full college scholarships to children of KIA and WIA soldiers. they invited several of our Marines and gave them a free dinner with open bar along with VIP passes to meet the singers.

when is msnbc and keith olbermann going to do something like that?

I'm sure Chinese National Television support Chinese troops as well, that does not make it a good source when it comes to unbiased news.

[Henry's Fork]

800,000+ marijuana arrests each year. 89% for simple possession.

The number of marijuana arrests alone far outnumber the amount of arrests made for ALL violent crimes.

The "War on Drugs" fuels the Prison Industrial Complex.

We have to keep up the title we took from the Soviets as the country with the most people in jail.

It was lulz seeing Ronnie on TV talking about how bad and evil China and the Soviets were for jailing so many of their people back in the day.

Look at us now!woot

[toki]

So where's the rebuttal? What I see is video of the wealthy part of town with happy people eating and drinking etc. Did they hire Michael Moore to produce the content of that video? I remember a thread on here a couple of years ago where the police were called in to tear down some kind of tent city/beggars row that had sprung up in the city. Oddly, that's missing from the video.
Fact: Amsterdam has nothing on any average American city when it comes to scary corners. Even by European standards Amsterdam isn't particularly dangerous or run down. Just the opposite, it's actually a rather cosy town for a nations main city. The few hobos, pimps and common criminals hardly make it half as bad as Washington or Baltimore. I'm saying this and Washington was my favourite city in the US. I loved to stay there. But some places are not like anything seen in Europe. I'm thinking northern Africa.


Any stats comparing a tiny wealthy nation like the Netherlands with a huge diverse nation like the US is kind of foolish. Let's saddle the Netherlands with oh, I don't know, the population of Mississippi and Louisiana and see how their forward-thinking polices (and budgets) hold up.
That's why fox news paints it a "cesspool" to the strictly american audience.
Which might leave the impression of a western European New Orleans. Which couldn't be further from reality. The image "we allow anything" is wrong anyway. Btw Germany isn't that much different and it has a population considerably bigger. (Almost a third of the US, ca 27% and roughly 3 times canada).


As far as Fox news goes - I find it no more offensive than any other news/opinion TV show...it's just coming from the other direction. The scary thing to me is that so many Americans are no longer even able to recognize the left spin they get from every other outlet.
I can only say that it is very obvious that US anchors take sides. The way they speak is more typical for politicians here, not news anchors.

[MR.9/06]

Looks like most of the people who think Amsterdam is a bad place haven't actually been there. The ones who have, including me, can say it really isn't as bad as some seem to think. Of course there are shady areas, but just like toki is trying to explain, they're not bad compared to other major cities.

[Gleipnir]

Despite the imagery of the video and your argument against statistical comparison 2 Sheds, I would just like to make it clear that this blonde analyst is obviously unable to understand a situation that demands a more complex reading and that her pre-determined bias is more than plain to see as she rolls her eyes while insulting Dutch values as 'naive' using this to support her point that it 'hasn't worked in Holland'.
Her hyperbolic analysis (can it even be called that?) paints a rather doom-laden picture, obfuscating the complexity of elements that she has taken no time to understand whilst placing them against a binary that elevates her values in comparison.

Great. More simplistic hogwash in a one-sided debate that can be described as poorly understood and reductionist at best that is merely used as feeble and meagre evidence to push her point that the USA should not even attempt legalization of marijuana (in Amsterdam it isn't even legal- it is decriminalized) because it 'hasn't worked in Holland' and because the Dutch have 'naive' ideas about raising their children which allows foreign criminals to exploit the system. Poor at best.

'Absolutely run out of control'
Geez, this dumb bitch makes Amsterdam sound like Sodom or Gommorah and the other tries to claim it's 'anarchy'. From these comments alone I feel confident enough to say that these bitches haven't set a foot inside the city of Amsterdam.

Wow.

As a Dutchman who lived in Amsterdam I can assure you that this analysis was poor and on par with the understanding of an elementary school student. Furthermore, the throwaway insult against 'naive Dutch values' is more than enough of an indicator that this bitch is biased and is suffering from some type of delusional superiority complex that absolutely restricts her from making the type of objective interpretations of data that is required for statistical analysis.

Thumbs down. Bad reporting. Bad analysis.

[JCR]

There's nothing anywhere in Europe that compares to West Baltimore or parts of Philly or so.
Parts of eastern european cities looked like that directly after the fall of communism, but with 10% of the crime.

[West Texican]

800,000+ marijuana arrests each year. 89% for simple possession.

The number of marijuana arrests alone far outnumber the amount of arrests made for ALL violent crimes.

The "War on Drugs" fuels the Prison Industrial Complex.

My younger brother was one of those 89% of 800,000. He spent about 45 minutes in jail and paid out about $250. That's about how it is for 99% of the 89% simple possessors. When you pour some reality on the fire it doesn't look as bad does it.

[Henry's Fork]

Looks like most of the people who think Amsterdam is a bad place haven't actually been there. The ones who have, including me, can say it really isn't as bad as some seem to think. Of course there are shady areas, but just like toki is trying to explain, they're not bad compared to other major cities.

Been there 3 different times. The first one was a doozey walking out of Centraal and seeing the Dutch EMS scooping up a blue faced junkie that just OD'd. And it was fun giving the beggars a few small Czech Korunas coins and then see the look on their face when they realize what i just gave them. rofl

All in all it reminds me of the nice places in Berkeley or San Fran. Other than some funny sounding German that they speak and horrible food, it was just like at home. Even their clueless sheep-like love of Bill Clinton was present, just like in Berk and SF!!!

[toki]

There's nothing anywhere in Europe that compares to West Baltimore or parts of Philly or so.
Parts of eastern european cities looked like that directly after the fall of communism, but with 10% of the crime.

That's true. And in European cities there might be "poor" and "rich" areas but the difference is marginal compared to US cities, where in a few hundred metres you go from... Monaco to Jakarta.

[Henry's Fork]

My younger brother was one of those 89% of 800,000. He spent about 45 minutes in jail and paid out about $250. That's about how it is for 99% of the 89% simple possessors. When you pour some reality on the fire it doesn't look as bad does it.

We still have the world largest prison population of non-violent criminals. That is the reality. Its also one of the very few things that makes me ashamed to be American.

[toki]

2sheds, maybe a good comparison: If anyone in Europe would have done a report about the US and in particular the most crime ridden cesspool in the country: San Franciso. Wouldn't you think that they at least could have chosen Detroit? Isn't it obviously just for agenda setting? The chances being stabbed in London are probably 10 times higher than in Amsterdam. Naples is probably 10 times dirtier and Paris 10 times scarier.
But they chose Amsterdam because the US 'lefty hippies' like Amsterdam and paint it as some weird weed utopia. Reality? Non.

Edit: And to clearify the dutch values, or better traditional Amsterdamer values: They have always been Traders and Salesman, importing goods and shipping it through Europe. Amsterdam is a traditional trading centre which has to do with alot of work and logistic. Not smoking dope all day long. Anything else is extremely superficial.

[Sneeuwbaard]

Amsterdam is a mess?
I think those Republicans should visit A'dam theirselves and compare it to the avg. American city, to find out that corruption, criminals and drug addicts are easier to find in American cities than in A'dam..
"Out of control" and a "mess"?
The Dutch shocked about the fact that there have been 20 gun incidents in A'dam the first 7 months this year, which is nothing compared to the number of avg. American shooting incidents.

[Kit]

If crime were a fire, making something illegal is like using gasoline to put it out. Crime feeds on what's illegal. You think organized crime is funded by a bunch of spaghetti restaurants, you're wrong, they deal with what's illegal. I know, I'm Captain Obvious to the rescue, but some people don't see the obvious.

If you legalize drugs, you take them off the streets, you put them into the hands of legitimate dealers, and you take away fuel from the organized crime machine. It's the same for the Prohibition and alcohol.

[Skutatos]

I have to say, the vast majority of you people need to learn HOW to watch the news.

Shows like O'Reilly's are the equivalent of an Op-Ed in a newspaper...its NOT the NEWS! All major news networks have several of these types of shows. Fox has the more conservative opinion shows, while their actual news shows are pretty "fair and balanced".

Also, Chris Wallace of Fox News is easily one of the best Journalists on television these days and he is a registered democrat.

If you don't like the opinion shows, don't watch them.

[West Texican]

I know when I walk the streets I feel safe, especially when I'm packin' my Winchester and 6 shooter. I'm sure a lot of people around the world have heard the song "We're from Texas, screw you".

Crime Statistics> Perception of safety > Walking in dark (most recent) by country

The stats from NationMaster (Univ. of Ariz.). A lot of people in Europe and other countries don't feel as safe on their streets as Americans. Must be the lack of firepower.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_per_of_saf_wal_in_dar-crime-perception-safety-walking-dark

[Maj C]

I'm sure Chinese National Television support Chinese troops as well, that does not make it a good source when it comes to unbiased news.

I don't think that's a valid comparison. Fox is not state run. Some civilian news agencies support the military, others make no effort to. Not commenting on any perceived or real bias...

[Niels]

Other than some funny sounding German that they speak
http://i25.tinypic.com/2md1oia.gif

[Lau]

I know when I walk the streets I feel safe, especially when I'm packin' my Winchester and 6 shooter. I'm sure a lot of people around the world have heard the song "We're from Texas, screw you".

Crime Statistics> Perception of safety > Walking in dark (most recent) by country

The stats from NationMaster (Univ. of Ariz.). A lot of people in Europe and other countries don't feel as safe on their streets as Americans. Must be the lack of firepower.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_per_of_saf_wal_in_dar-crime-perception-safety-walking-dark

Americans might not be afraid, but they are in much greater risk of being a victim, and the risk of being shot is extreme compared to all european nations. (Assault per capita)
Must be the amount of fire-power.

The risk of being shot and killed in the US is also way higher than any european country. (Homicides gun violence)
Must be the amount of fire-power.

It's a lame game and I easily win. Don't bring the fire-power argument here, statistically it's not holding up.

[LineDoggie]

Yes, my god a burst just went past the window, as I type this some MS-13 are using AT-4's against Crips


Jesus some retards watched Colors too many times

[little icebear]

Edit: And to clearify the dutch values, or better traditional Amsterdamer values

Yeah. Don´t forget - the folks there like liberty and freedom and ****. That´s what scared the sh*t out of those guys who are today known as the pilgrims.

[West Texican]

Americans might not be afraid, but they are in much greater risk of being a victim, and the risk of being shot is extreme compared to all european nations. (Assault per capita)
Must be the amount of fire-power.

The risk of being shot and killed in the US is also way higher than any european country. (Homicides gun violence)
Must be the amount of fire-power.

It's a lame game and I easily win. Don't bring the fire-power argument here, statistically it's not holding up.

I was joking, everyone picked up on that but you. Furthermore it is kind of obvious that your perception of life in America came from TV, that bastion of truth and honesty. Did that go over your head also?

[Frutzel]

I see the regular dumb pothead crew is on it again. Amsterdam is one of western Europe's biggest ****holes. Level it to the ground and leave it to the rats.


:roll: Well the master of eloquence is doing us a favor and spreading his moronic BS again. Amsterdam is a nice city even if you are not interested in weed. It has a lot more to offer than that

[ting]

Yes, my god a burst just went past the window, as I type this some MS-13 are using AT-4's against Crips


Jesus some retards watched Colors too many times

Are you serious?

[KoTeMoRe]

Ssssssh, never let the moonbats know that. Your talking about people who stil believe we blew up the World Trade Center ourselves.

What would they have left in Life without blaming everything on Fox News and Bush?, Suicides would spike in Seattle, Berkely, San Fran, and SoHo

Gutter Press...sorry I'm only interested on a certain Page 3. A part from that, I don't buy those sheets, I go for Hygenical Paper instead.

[Lau]

I was joking, everyone picked up on that but you.

I never saw a /jk or anything like that in your post, and sadly many people are dead serious when it comes to what you wrote.


Furthermore it is kind of obvious that your perception of life in America came from TV, that bastion of truth and honesty. Did that go over your head also?

O'rly? Thats funny since my perception of life in America comes from family and friends.

[Elbs]

Americans might not be afraid, but they are in much greater risk of being a victim, and the risk of being shot is extreme compared to all european nations. (Assault per capita)
Must be the amount of fire-power.


You are EXACTLY CORRECT! The other day I was going to In N Out just to buy a big greasy burger when I was caught in a massive gunfight. Thank god I had my cellphone camera to record the evil destruction carnage

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/severen76/12442348606601.gif

[OrangeWolf]

Why is everyone hating on Lau for what was said? The assault per capita as he mentioned isn't quite better in the US than it is in most European countries, that's for sure.

[toki]

The chance being killed by a gun is 19 times higher in the US compared to Germany (for example). The chance being murdered around 6 times higher.

gun homicide per 100.000 guns:
USA: around 4 homicides
Germany: around 0.7 homicides
(even broken down to civil owned guns it is 6 times higher).


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffenmissbrauch

[Elbs]

"The risk of being shot is extreme."

Really? Dear god, how have I survived the storm of bullets flying around and ricocheting off my house walls for so long? I'm going to have to trade in the car for an MRAP to be safe from the gangstaz shooting .50 caliber rifles and the Latin Kings packing FN MAGs.

As to Fox News, MSNBC, etc. The shows that feature the likes of O'Reilly, Olbermann, etc are all opinion shows, not news. Both sides spew whatever it is they think their audience wants to hear.

[SineJustitia]

Originally Posted by Henry's Fork http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4329245#post4329245)
Other than some funny sounding German that they speak



http://i25.tinypic.com/2md1oia.gif

Linguistically, he is right. Although the correct phrase would be " Germanic language".

But then again, he's speaking a funny Germanic language as well.

You see, we're not that different. Drug abuse in various extremes, streets that are more or less crime-ridden, and lots of varying perspectives on societies how they should be.

So you could say there's a bit of Bill O'Reilly in all of us.

Apparantly, when he's in Amsterdam in the weekends, there's a lot of Bill O' Reilly in some Dutch kids. But that's just a rumour.

[toki]

"The risk of being shot is extreme." compared to European nations

Really? Dear god...

He set a comparison. It doesn't help if you leave that away. And a factor of 19 in the case of Germany could be considered 'extreme' for a wealthy western country.

[Lau]

"The risk of being shot is extreme."

Really? Dear god, how have I survived the storm of bullets flying around and ricocheting off my house walls for so long? I'm going to have to trade in the car for an MRAP to be safe from the gangstaz shooting .50 caliber rifles and the Latin Kings packing FN MAGs.



Quoting the rest of my sentence would be appropiate, otherwise you miss the point, the way you quote is the way FOX news qoute people. ;)


and the risk of being shot is extreme compared to all european nations.


There is no way around that fact, I guess that's why you try to divert the thread and joke around.

[Elbs]

Quoting the rest of my sentence would be appropiate, otherwise you miss the point, the way you quote is the way FOX news qoute people. ;)

I understood your point quite well enough. Instead of using ridiculous language, Toki provided statistics which make for a better argument.

And I could care less what Fox does. A parody of fools is a parody of fools, whether describing Amsterdam as a cesspool or the US as being more dangerous than Baghdad.

Edit: I've been to Amsterdam. I drank, I drank some more, and unfortunately I met some Ajax fans. But then I drank some more, so it was all good.

[KoTeMoRe]

I understood your point quite well enough. Instead of using ridiculous language, Toki provided statistics which make for a better argument.

And I could care less what Fox does. A parody of fools is a parody of fools, whether describing Amsterdam as a cesspool or the US as being more dangerous than Baghdad.

Edit: I've been to Amsterdam. I drank, I drank some more, and unfortunately I met some Ajax fans. But then I drank some more, so it was all good.


Quoted for Truth. Some of them are special *looks around for Snoshi*

[Snoshi]

Quoted for Truth. Some of them are special *looks around for Snoshi*

Pff.. I am not an Ajax fan.. I am a Cule!

[Lau]

I understood your point quite well enough. Instead of using ridiculous language, Toki provided statistics which make for a better argument.



That's funny, you did a great job pretending you didn't.

[toki]

Quoted for Truth. Some of them are special *looks around for Snoshi*

Feyenoord fans call them "the jews", don't they? :)

[Try&die]

Feyenoord fans call them "the jews", don't they? :)

Not only feyenoord, they call themselves jews too. Allmost everybody..

[Eagle The Lightning]

You are EXACTLY CORRECT! The other day I was going to In N Out just to buy a big greasy burger when I was caught in a massive gunfight. Thank god I had my cellphone camera to record the evil destruction carnage

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/severen76/12442348606601.gifHEAT that's a great film.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ONHHdjyyVHo

[Snoshi]

Try and Die.. Remove you avatar.. I cant exit this topic!

[Try&die]

Try and Die.. Remove you avatar.. I cant exit this topic!

www.militaryphotos.net (http://www.militaryphotos.net) Try this link, maybe it will work.

[ohdannyboy]

Linguistically, he is right. Although the correct phrase would be " Germanic language".



Actually, the correct term for Dutch language is "German gone bad" p-)

Anyway, Amsterdam is a nice and safe city. Much better than many American or European cities.

[Red Bar0n]

Jesus ****ing Christ try&die, best avatar ever rofl

[KoTeMoRe]

Feyenoord fans call them "the jews", don't they? :)

Cfr Try&Die: every one calls them "Joden". They call themselves "Super Joden". And the best part of it is that they're not even jewish (95% of the fans). So you got no clue about what they're pretending.

Snoshi: Them Goys would make you proud.

[tercio67]

The reason Ajax is today still referred to as ´Joden´ is because the original team was the team started by the diamondcutters guild. They chose the name Ajax in order to not sound jewish, but became known as the jewish team non the less. Today the fans are still proud of their team and its history and origin.
And as a Feyenoord fan myself; they are scum, all of them (exept when they play for the national team of course).

[brainplay]

So has everyone figured out that O'Reilly is an Op-Ed commentator and not a actual news anchor yet or are they still looking for excuses to rant?

Does thinking Michelle looks hot qualify as pedo? Wheres Shuimo?

[JCR]

Sorry, but the concept of Op-Ed news shows hasn't yet reached Europe.
We do have Op-Ed pieces in the news, but they're really announced as such at the beginning and the end, so no one can confuse them.
But whole shows with just opinion are unknown at least in German TV.
There are some news shows that politically lean left or right, but these are still news.

[The_Android]

The reason Ajax is today still referred to as ´Joden´ is because the original team was the team started by the diamondcutters guild. They chose the name Ajax in order to not sound jewish, but became known as the jewish team non the less. Today the fans are still proud of their team and its history and origin.
And as a Feyenoord fan myself; they are scum, all of them (exept when they play for the national team of course).

The story goes that the Ajax fans took a lot of inspiration from Tottenham supporters in the 80's in taking pride in the "jewishness". Spurs on the other hand actually hade a quite large jewish supporter base back in the days.



According to Simon Kuper (author of Ajax, the Dutch, the War), Israeli symbols appeared in the early 1980s in the section of the F-Side, the old stand of the club's hard core, soon after the visit by Tottenham, a club known for its connection to the Jewish community of North London. Jewish symbols soon accompanied the 'Jews! Jews!' yells that replaced the 'Boeren! Boeren!' ('Farmers! Farmers!'), which that Amsterdam supporters used to yell at their opponents. Rival fans soon replied with 'ssssssssssss' (the hissing sound of gas) and, more recently, 'Hamas! Hamas! The Jews to the gas!'


http://www.ajax-usa.com/desk/ajax-and-the-jewish-issue.html

I'm going to visit Amsterdam next week. I love the city. Always have. The architecture is beautiful and it's a quite laid back city and has a nice atmosphere (apart from some neighborhoods). I'm going to watch Ajax - Sparta too :) My uncle is Dutch and is a huge Ajax fan.

[tluassa]

I - FOUND - THE - EXPLANATION !!!

The Daily Show explains the phenomenom: Its the Crank-Circle !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7siew7H5I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXhA0Na6UvE

[DaGreatRV]

^^^^^^^ rofl I loled, seriously. rofl

[BMUS]

Feyenoord fans call them "the jews", don't they? :)
Dude, major fail ;)
2:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/p3ADvVJ4E9U

All I can say is...

GO AJAX!

Oh, and Breeman, you magnificent bastard, can I get your sources that 10% of U.S. population has been/are in jail?

[toki]

Dude, major fail ;)
2:40

i can't know everything about nederlandse voetbal, the only proper clubs:
VVV Venlo and Fortuna Sittard. ;-)

[budgie]

These are not Fox news, they should be named Fox views.
Their aim are stupid Americans...

Mate freedom of speech means they're free to be idiots. I personally get off on watching them make idiots of themselves

[Bia]

Mate freedom of speech means they're free to be idiots. I personally get off on watching them make idiots of themselvesExactly... occasionaly I listen to Rush Limbaugh because he's pure comedy... massive hypocrite... drug addict retard with an audience to match.

[SoftLion]

Mate freedom of speech means they're free to be idiots. I personally get off on watching them make idiots of themselves


Exactly... occasionaly I listen to Rush Limbaugh because he's pure comedy... massive hypocrite... drug addict retard with an audience to match.

You see, I get what both of you are saying, but when your own side and own advocates and own fringe of the party engage in the same thing, what then? Or does it not apply then?

If the best the right can muster is "libtards", and the best the left can muster is "conservitards", what good does that do for anyone?

It's too bad for the country as a whole that all most can do is toss bombs. IMO, too little consideration is given for individual merits, regardless of party affiliation, with most on both sides resorting to strict party line voting. Rubbish.

[toki]

If the best the right can muster is "libtards", and the best the left can muster is "conservitards", what good does that do for anyone?

It's too bad for the country as a whole that all most can do is toss bombs. IMO, too little consideration is given for individual merits, regardless of party affiliation, with most on both sides resorting to strict party line voting. Rubbish.


The US needs a third strong party and a fourth that enables other parties to form coalitions. Problem solved. If you only try to draw people to two sides of the spectrum you'll have one sided aggro idiocy p-)
I know, it's pretty much impossible and will never happen

republicans
classic liberals (conservative, low taxes etc)
democrats (more right than before)
eco democrats

lol

The classic liberals would be the main party for the american taste. Low taxes, free market, rather conservative, but much less religious.

[Universals]

The US needs a third strong party and a fourth that enables other parties to form coalitions. Problem solved. If you only try to draw people to two sides of the spectrum you'll have one sided aggro idiocy p-)
I know, it's pretty much impossible and will never happen

Quoted for truth. I couldn't agree with you more. nicely stated. Add term limits to it (same as presidents, 2-terms) and it will be just perfect.

Politics in here is now is now child's play.
The sad part is that these fat cats have to approve it before it could be done. And I tell you this, opposition to party expansion will be about the only thing that will get Bi-partisan support form the congress because the fat cats want keep the status quo.

[sp2c]

that may solve the problem but it creates a whole set of new problems

like a fifth and a sixth party and before you know it you have parties for software piracy (Sweden?) and parties for party (the Netherlands, true story unfortunately) running for office and wasting valuable votes

[toki]

that may solve the problem but it creates a whole set of new problems

like a fifth and a sixth party and before you know it you have parties for software piracy (Sweden?) and parties for party (the Netherlands, true story unfortunately) running for office and wasting valuable votes

Wasting votes? You can only waste your own vote. If you have a certain hurdle (5% here) those parties will stay short lived jokes. If a party gains 10 or more percent it's there for a reason, but can be fought as well.

In a (more or less) two party system, your vote can pretty much only go in two directions. That's a bit of wasting i'd say. IMHO it creates mre frustration and hate.

[sp2c]

yes wasting votes

right now we have an party for the animals in parliament wasting time and money asking stupid questions and making stupid demans that nobody cares about or listens too

it's a wasted vote

[toki]

yes wasting votes

right now we have an party for the animals in parliament wasting time and money asking stupid questions and making stupid demans that nobody cares about or listens too

it's a wasted vote

Are you a Weimar republic? How does an animal party get into parliament? green, ok. but animals? How many % do you need to get parliament seats?

[sp2c]

Are you a Weimar republic?
I dunno actually


How does an animal party get into parliament?

by getting enough votes


green, ok. but animals? How many % do you need to get parliament seats?

we divide all votes cast by 150 seats and when you have one you're in basically

but it's a little bit more work then that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Representatives_of_the_Netherlands

[toki]

I dunno actually

by getting enough votes


we divide all votes cast by 150 seats and when you have one you're in basically

but it's a little bit more work then that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Representatives_of_the_Netherlands

Here you need 5% before you have a chance to get in. It's not broken down to the last bit. That keeps the very small parties out. In the Weimar republic there was no 5% hurdle, which was part of its problem.

If you have 4% you're not having 4% of the seats, you have no seats at all.

[sp2c]

you guys must hate freedom!

but yeah sounds like a smarter way of doing things :D

[Lau]

yes wasting votes

right now we have an party for the animals in parliament wasting time and money asking stupid questions and making stupid demans that nobody cares about or listens too

it's a wasted vote

Well they got the votes, so apparently somebody cares and listens.

[DaGreatRV]

[QUOTE=sp2c;4347011 before you know it you have parties for software piracy (Sweden?) [/QUOTE]

I wanted to vote for the pirate party in the EU elections, they weren't on the ballot. :-(

[Bia]

You see, I get what both of you are saying, but when your own side and own advocates and own fringe of the party engage in the same thing, what then? Or does it not apply then?

If the best the right can muster is "libtards", and the best the left can muster is "conservitards", what good does that do for anyone?

It's too bad for the country as a whole that all most can do is toss bombs. IMO, too little consideration is given for individual merits, regardless of party affiliation, with most on both sides resorting to strict party line voting. Rubbish.Obviously... Is why I always said party loyalist are part of the problem... we need a third choice... to make the other two work harder.

[DaGreatRV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVxDNJ6RZQw


Bill responded to the Youtube clip, This is an analisis of that.
If I find a clip of only Bill's response I'll post it.

[Atlantic Friend]

Fox News. Bill O'Reilly. How could it NOT be the truth? ;)

However ridiculous the reports, though, there should not be any kind of state-imposed censorship on Box News.

[Gleipnir]

"I don't even care what happens in the Netherlands"
B. O'Reilly

3.14^

Then shut the **** up, asshole.

[DaGreatRV]

Found it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucJwh0CRopQ


This is his response to the youtube vid.

[Atlantic Friend]

Found it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucJwh0CRopQ


This is his response to the youtube vid.

OMG, the Amsterdam police wants to fight crime, it's the final proof that the city's out of control! ;)