'No ***, no food' law passed in Afghanistan

[KVA]

'No ***, no food' law passed in Afghanistan


Afghanistan has enacted a new legislation empowering men of Shia sect of Islam to deny their wives food and sustenance if they refuse to obey their husbands' ****** demands, a media report said on Saturday.

The new final draft of the legislation also grants guardianship of children exclusively to their fathers and grandfathers, and requires women to get permission from their husbands to work, The Guardian reported.

"It also effectively allows a rapist to avoid prosecution by paying 'blood money' to a girl who was injured when he raped her," the report said quoting US charity Human Rights Watch.

In early April, US President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown joined an international chorus of condemnation when the earlier version of the law legalised rape within marriage.

Although Afghan President Hamid Karzai appeared to back down, activists said the revised law still contained repressive measures and contradicted Afghanistan's constitution and international treaties it is signed up to.

According to the report, the new law has been backed by the hardline Shia cleric Ayatollah Mohseni, who is thought to have influence over the voting intentions of some Shias, who make up around 20 per cent of the population.

Karzai has assiduously courted such minority leaders in the run up to next Thursday's election, which is likely to be close, a poll indicated on Saturday.

http://www.zillr.com/news/story/No-***-no-food-law-passed-in-afghanistan

[muck]

Does NATO now reap what it has sown there? Probably not.
Fine men and women die over there for some old farts' ****** pleasure.

I could throw up.

[tercio67]

The women are in need of an Afghan Lysistrata.

[Wahnsinn]

Does NATO now reap what it has sown there? Probably not.
Fine men and women die over there for some old farts' ****** pleasure.

I could throw up.

Hear hear.

Afghanistan won't become a Western style democracy any time soon with the current camp in power. Too many family and religious ties in government, thisone is probably just as corrupt as the last one.

[muck]

Hear hear.

Afghanistan won't become a Western style democracy any time soon with the current camp in power. Too many family and religious ties in government, thisone is probably just as corrupt as the last one.Nobody wants them to become such a democracy. And if they're eager to stone alleged adulterers I wish them a nice time.
That being said, the law cited above is just beyond even the most basic principles of human rights and those should protect everybody, including defenseless muslim women.

Makes me wanna to kick some of these idiots asses' for calling us Westerners "decadent" and "unmoral".

[stelios1984]

Looks like we're making progress.

[drevil5000]

This is just sickening.

[Big Lebowski]

Pull NATO out of Kabul for a couple of days and leave these corrupt bastards to their fate.

[OrangeWolf]

Better there than here. The current domestic policy allows a fifth column with minds similar like these corrupt tribal chiefs to gain ground in our home country. I doubt you could even enforce them to NOT practice a barbaric law like this.

[Wahnsinn]

Nobody wants them to become such a democracy. And if they're eager to stone alleged adulterers I wish them a nice time.
That being said, the law cited above is just beyond even the most basic principles of human rights and those should protect everybody, including defenseless muslim women.

Makes me wanna to kick some of these idiots asses' for calling us Westerners "decadent" and "unmoral".

Well they weren't a democracy before and now we have installed a "democracy". I don't think central government works in such a fractured, tribal culture but thats what the Afghan people have.

[wagon]

How long before the Afghan government is nearly at the same point as the Taliban ar$eholes the preceded them?

What a waste of all the brave men and women who have worked towards what they should and could have if only they (the Afghans) would listen.

[Roy Batty]

Afghanis is the word for local currency. The people are refered to as Afghans.

The government of that country has a hell of a ballancing act to perform. Many of the locals support Sharia law but the military and economic help that flows from the west means you have to be seen to be trying to lean to the more democratic/western side.


Fvck it. Lets just take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Wahnsinn]

Afghanis is the word for local currency. The people are refered to as Afghans.

The government of that country has a hell of a ballancing act to perform. Many of the locals support Sharia law but the military and economic help that flows from the west means you have to be seen to be trying to lean to the more democratic/western side.


Fvck it. Lets just take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Who said Afghanis?

The Afghan government seems to have very little real power. From what I gather, many provinces are a law unto themselves and are more or less governed by some religious leader. If that's what the want, let them have it.

[wagon]

Who said Afghanis?



I did. Canadian Sig pointed out my error and I fixed it.

[Wahnsinn]

I did. Canadian Sig pointed out my error and I fixed it.

I thought that may of been the case, couldn't find it on the page. Magical powers of the edit button. p-)

[zema_06]

this is the pratical demonstration that 8 years of western presence/influence/intrusion (everyone has his own designation) have changed nothing. the taliban have been removed from the government, but have been replaced by warlords and other corrupt individuals. the only difference is that this government is somehow western-friendly, nothing more. this will prevent a democracy, i mean a real democracy, in afghanistan and thus any change in the social structure and illusion of peace...

[coltfan111]

To think the Afghan people will wake up one day and embrace our style of government and social views is deluded. I honestly don't think it EVER happen. I hate to say it, never thought I would; but I really am beginning to doubt our mission over there.

[DID]

I'm asking myself what ISAF and US are still doing there? Let them whit they're crazy fanatism is what a lot of peoples think now. That's sad for women of Afghanistan, but how could a whole county pass from stone age to modern and democratic civilization?
The presence of ground forces is still necessary? before falling into a mud trap because soon or later local will turn again ISAF and then it will become impossible to stay there. A country cannot be occupied indefinatly.
And if we only stay because of AQ so let bomb them with air strike. I dont now maybe my point is not good or I'm out of reality but I have more and more the impression that our soldiers risk their life for peoples (afghans) that dont give a damn about us.
Warlord receive money, trained and equipped troops, and they continue to opress women in an inaceptable way so what to do?

[DID]

To think the Afghan people will wake up one day and embrace our style of government and social views is deluded. I honestly don't think it EVER happen. I hate to say it, never thought I would; but I really am beginning to doubt our mission over there.
^ agree with you. when we will stop give them financial support they will call us infidels and start fighting us as great satan and a danger for afghan people so they will found another reason for still lead a bunch of poor illiterate people that only hear from the local warlords and mollah.
I'm so sad for them especially womans and childrens

[Albatross]

Tribal society and democracy go together like oil and water.

Afghanistan, moving into the 15th century soon.......

[2495]

Tribal society and democracy go together like oil and water.

Afghanistan, moving into the 15th century soon.......

One day, those rose tinted spectacles the western leaders wear when looking at islam will fall off - sooner rather than later I hope - because this is what islam is all about; domination and abject cruelty as an every day way of life.

[DID]

One day, those rose tinted spectacles the western leaders wear when looking at islam will fall off - sooner rather than later I hope - because this is what islam is all about; domination and abject cruelty as an every day way of life.
Problem is that when you say that in Europe you are called far right.

[tea drinker]

Tribal society and democracy go together like oil and water.

Afghanistan, moving into the 15th century soon.......
Good news! Progress at last! And here I was all smug calling them stone age :oops:

[lightfire]

I'll try to illustrate,

You don't kill a kid, because killed a bird. You might beat him with a stick, you might bring
him to the clinics, to see the doc and most of all - you might teach him, just like other kids out there, who fight against each other, kill birds, cause they are kids, they bare little responsibility, they are cruel and don't think it's wrong.

So if you nuke Afghanistan - you won't get anything from that, except a cell. You can't beat the crap out Afghanistan, cause simply it's like beating a bunch of kids - they might fear you, they might hate you, but they'll hardly learn not to kill a bird etc. And there's not much to beat from in the first place.

So you can leave it to it's own and have a teenage monster thug then, who would align with kids from bad neighbourhood ( Al Qaeda district), nor can you teach him with soft voice and one finger only.

But if you are teaching a kid, have patience and resources - it will cost and take time. Sadly, Westerners nowadays seem not to have much of either.

[muck]

But if you are teaching a kid, have patience and resources - it will cost and take time. Sadly, Westerners nowadays seem not to have much of either.Yep. After just eight years of engagement of which only the last three have been permanent and active warfare, western societies have already run out of puff. This is just a damning indictment.

I can't believe how shortsighted we are.

[annihilation]

Makes you feel good in intervening in this region....

[ggk]

no *** no food law are stupid...its a tribal law and it can be compared to jahiliyah law.

When prophet Muhammad spread the teaching of Islam in Makkah he gradually but surely remove tribal law from the life of muslim, and the Sahabah proceed to do it too.

this law is a move backwards...and against the teaching of islam.

[Noons86]

no *** no food law are stupid...its a tribal law and it can be compared to jahiliyah law.

When prophet Muhammad spread the teaching of Islam in Makkah he gradually but surely remove tribal law from the life of muslim, and the Sahabah proceed to do it too.

this law is a move backwards...and against the teaching of islam.

Wrong. It is a barbaric law that is repulsive to everyone in the West, therefore it must be central to the teachings of Islam.

But seriously, this issue of the husband wanting *** but the wife not wanting it. Don't men over there try to, you know, get their wives in the mood? Are threats the only thing they can think of to deal with problems in their love lives?

[JimC]

Wrong. It is a barbaric law that is repulsive to everyone in the West, therefore it must be central to the teachings of Islam.

But seriously, this issue of the husband wanting *** but the wife not wanting it. Don't men over there try to, you know, get their wives in the mood? Are threats the only thing they can think of to deal with problems in their love lives?
Have you seen the men over there? No pashto word for soap I bet.

[ggk]

who need soap?

[Player]

Tribal society and democracy go together like oil and water.

Afghanistan, moving into the 15th century soon.......

They haven't passed even the common era yet, or did you mean 15th century BCE?

Sometimes I just can't understand why Afghanistan is such a backward country...

[Wahnsinn]

They haven't passed even the common era yet, or did you mean 15th century BCE?

Sometimes I just can't understand why Afghanistan is such a backward country...

Because people from Afghanistan have been so busy fighting each other and anyone else who decides to have a go that they haven't had time to develop.

[Smitty_Damitty]

To think the Afghan people will wake up one day and embrace our style of government and social views is deluded. I honestly don't think it EVER happen. I hate to say it, never thought I would; but I really am beginning to doubt our mission over there.

Same here, sadly. But, if you'd have told me years back that A-stan, as opposed to Iraq, would be less likely to adopt some variation of democratic reform, I would have cried bullsh*t. Jesus H., I would say to get rid of this turd burglar Karzai but, is there honestly anyone better than him? Certainly a case of the lesser of two evils...

[Wahnsinn]

Same here, sadly. But, if you'd have told me years back that A-stan, as opposed to Iraq, would be less likely to adopt some variation of democratic reform, I would have cried bullsh*t. Jesus H., I would say to get rid of this turd burglar Karzai but, is there honestly anyone better than him? Certainly a case of the lesser of two evils...

Better the devil you know.

You never hear of Iraq anymore in the news, I was starting to forget it existed.

[sheytanelkebir]

Same here, sadly. But, if you'd have told me years back that A-stan, as opposed to Iraq, would be less likely to adopt some variation of democratic reform, I would have cried bullsh*t.

why?

for all its current backwardness, iraq is a nation of law and is highly urbanised... not to mention that Iraq has had a functional parliament (albeit under a dictatorship for the last 3 decades) for 80 years and women MPs and Ministers since the beginning...

Of course if you're a soldier cut-off on a base in the Anbar desert which has Iraq's "transient" population of beduins (a tiny number by the way) then perhaps you won't see the 98% of the population that live in towns and villages...

Unfortunately Afghanistan had a potential to become a modern nation state... that was during the 1980s when some semblance of modernity and urbanisation began to take root... but of course since it was part of a wider cold war struggle somebody had to go in and "fight it" just cos it was communist.

[Fuschimuschi]

My heart breaks for the Afghan Women but things will never change there.
I don't have any illusions anymore.

[Smitty_Damitty]

why?



Yes, an effective governing structure was well established in Iraq for decades. Yes, Afghanistan was at best, a loosely governed hodgepodge of sects and tribes. That is pretty common knowledge. To elaborate, my surprise lies in the fact that one, the Iraqi insurgency and populace was pacified to a point as to where a effective central, democratic government could take hold. Looking back to '06, there are very few that believed we would get to that point, at least without drastically changing what "success" in Iraq meant.

On the other hand, there is A-stan. In the months and years immediately following the fall of the Taliban, Western style reforms came in fast and heavy under Karzai. (universal suffrage, equal rights, etc.) The Afghans also largely approved of ISAF's presence in the country. While yes, the more isolated parts of the country would probably be subject to tribal laws as opposed to that of the gov't, it still looked as though the "new" Afghanistan would fit the bill of, and stick to what we all would consider a Western style democracy. Almost 9 yrs on however, ISAF's approval is at an all time low and Karzai has made a series of stunning reversals due to increasing hardline pressure that did not exist, as it does now, until a few years ago. Reversals that are more Talibanesque if you will, than they are democratic. It almost seems as though we will have to drastically change what "success" in A-stan means.

So yeah, hopefully that clears up my earlier statement but in all honesty, I'm now lost myself...goodnight folks.:)

[Noble713]

One day, those rose tinted spectacles the western leaders wear when looking at islam will fall off - sooner rather than later I hope - because this is what islam is all about; domination and abject cruelty as an every day way of life.

Almost makes one want to convert, doesn't it?

It's an interesting conundrum. A misogynistic culture based around family honor and blood feuds, but wedded to some dead "Prophet" and total submission and obedience to his imaginary friend. Part A is right up my alley but Part B flies in the face of my sense of individuality and self-importance.

I guess I'll have to stay here in the States were I can get free healthcare and listen to Norwegian black metal without having my head cut off for my Western decadence.

[Red_Fern]

Makes me wanna to kick some of these idiots asses' for calling us Westerners "decadent" and "unmoral".

No kidding. That's horrible. And very hypocritical.

I mean really...how could anyone with any type of conscious or moral bearing about them even think to enact such a law?

Just downright sickening.

[thanamestolga]

You're all a bunch of Hipocrits, show us proof that Islam is in fact a barbaric religion thats after power and greed, quote the Q'uran on this subject, if it even exists in the Q'uran!

I dont know what all Christians are talking about, hasnt the Western (Mostly Christian) world been trying to dominate the world for Centuries? Who sent Missionaries to unknown worlds? You guys should think about opening your 'civilised' mouths about a religion you dunno shiet about. Meanwhile why dont you spit something else in Islams face? Nobody can show proof that Muhammad supported these bullshiet laws!

...NOBODY likes a wise ass

[Rictor]

So basically what this demonstrates is that the majority of Afghans (or the men at least) hold social views which are damn-near identical to those of the Taliban. Which certainly bodes well for NATO efforts to turn the country into a prospering, tolerant democracy.

[jokuvaan]

On long term, rights of women should improve if women are allowed to take part of democratic process.

[Abbott]

Hear hear.

Afghanistan won't become a Western style democracy any time soon with the current camp in power. Too many family and religious ties in government, thisone is probably just as corrupt as the last one.

come on people we can't even make up our minds wich team to be on decade after decade in afgan whats the sense in even dicussing it anymore??

[Satorius]

You're all a bunch of Hipocrits, show us proof that Islam is in fact a barbaric religion thats after power and greed, quote the Q'uran on this subject, if it even exists in the Q'uran!

I dont know what all Christians are talking about, hasnt the Western (Mostly Christian) world been trying to dominate the world for Centuries? Who sent Missionaries to unknown worlds? You guys should think about opening your 'civilised' mouths about a religion you dunno shiet about. Meanwhile why dont you spit something else in Islams face? Nobody can show proof that Muhammad supported these bullshiet laws!

...NOBODY likes a wise ass


Christianity plays only sybolic role in the secular West. Today it does not have political agenda to form theocratical states and do not determine modern life style. All the Abrahamic(Christianity, Judaism, Islam) religions have lots in common and can be deemed as backward and barbaric. However, modern Islam wants to be the same and play the same role in society as it was in the Middle Ages.

[Johnny_H02]

Fvck it. Lets just take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Or reinstate British Raj :).

[Red_Fern]

Nobody can show proof that Muhammad supported these bullshiet laws!

It doesn't matter what Muhammad believed or supported, mate... All we have to go on is what we've seen played out by the Muslims who are currently living, and instating and/or interpreting the laws as they see fit.

[ggk]

if one spend time digging through the bowel of the internet...looking for bad things done by other people in this world...you can have 2 cubic tonnes of it. The question wether muslim have done atrocities in the present or in the past are a moot question.

simply because since we are human...we have been hacking off each other since the begining of time...regardless if we only follow our religion symbolically or full hearted.

oh by the way nice try on the picture:

all are screenshot from movies....except for the second picture, which mightbe taken during an anti nuclear protest in Iran....bad makeup spoils the picture anyway.

edit:

i want to add small things in this stoning thingy. There is nothing the Quran about stoning… Nothing, Nada. ....but you can find it in Torah...not that im implying jews still stoning people..im just point out its there in the Torah.

Old testament [21.21]
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, so that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.

More verses of the Old Testament: (12:10) (17:2\3\4\5\6) (21:21) (22:21\22\23\24)

[Red_Fern]

i want to add small things in this stoning thingy. There is nothing the Quran about stoning… Nothing, Nada. ....but you can find it in Torah...not that im implying jews still stoning people..im just point out its there in the Torah.

Old testament [21.21]
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, so that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.

More verses of the Old Testament: (12:10) (17:2\3\4\5\6) (21:21) (22:21\22\23\24)

Did you read and comprehend the verses before the part about stoning him, and why it should be done? The way you present it makes it sound like Jews just stone people for the heck of it.

I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time, I'm sure Muhammad didn't intend for Muslim men to starve their women from any form of sustenance if they didn't "put out", but it's still happening anyway, under "Islamic Law".

Like I said before, regardless of what the Qu'ran said or Muhammad believed, all we have to go on is what we see living, breathing individuals of that religious persuasion practising here and now as part of their laws, so it kind of discredits the point you're trying to make, even though I fully understand what you're saying.

[khalsa1699]

why drag Prophet Mohammed into the afghani law?

its the current govt and hardline mullahs who advocate these laws in the name of islam.

Afghanistan, pakistan and india have tribal and local customs which are some times used under the guise of religion!

Saudi arabia and other arabian countries still follow their old tribal customs which are older then islam!

[Mastermind]

So, the people who stone other people to death could be considered just murdering savages who happen to also be Muslims...right? How about the hacking off of heads? How about the dismemberment of hands and feet and gouging out of eyes? So far, I can only find any modern examples of that happening in lands governed by "murdering savages" who just happen to be practicing Muslims, too. What is odd, they seem to be doing it in the name of Muhammad....and they know far more about Islam and what MMuhammad liked and did not like than I.

So, if Muhammad did not like these things, and yet his followers (well, people who say they are his followers) keep right on doing them - and much worse, like blasting other innocent people to bloody little atoms...then who the hell are the hypocrites here?

If these people now have created out of Muhammad's writings something that is a bastardized version of what he taught...we had better go tell the "good" Muslims...and they can then get after these murdering savages who would slander the good name of Muhammad, the creator of the so-called "Religion of Peace"

yet, even though I know the "good" Muslims see these things, I find it rather strange how they kind of just sit on their hands about it...even more odd, they seem to come out and cheer when they see and hear of it.

Cause, you know what...from what I see and read...it don't make a cow pie what Muhammad liked and didn't like or wrote and didn't write....this version of Islam these people in Afghanistan and other parts of the world are practicing seems to me to totally suck!!

[Wahnsinn]

So, the people who stone other people to death could be considered just murdering savages who happen to also be Muslims...right?

The people and society that support the death sentence are murdering savages, yes.

[tea drinker]

Good post mastermind

[ggk]

So, the people who stone other people to death could be considered just murdering savages who happen to also be Muslims...right? How about the hacking off of heads? How about the dismemberment of hands and feet and gouging out of eyes? So far, I can only find any modern examples of that happening in lands governed by "murdering savages" who just happen to be practicing Muslims, too. What is odd, they seem to be doing it in the name of Muhammad....and they know far more about Islam and what MMuhammad liked and did not like than I.

So, if Muhammad did not like these things, and yet his followers (well, people who say they are his followers) keep right on doing them - and much worse, like blasting other innocent people to bloody little atoms...then who the hell are the hypocrites here?

If these people now have created out of Muhammad's writings something that is a bastardized version of what he taught...we had better go tell the "good" Muslims...and they can then get after these murdering savages who would slander the good name of Muhammad, the creator of the so-called "Religion of Peace"

yet, even though I know the "good" Muslims see these things, I find it rather strange how they kind of just sit on their hands about it...even more odd, they seem to come out and cheer when they see and hear of it.

Cause, you know what...from what I see and read...it don't make a cow pie what Muhammad liked and didn't like or wrote and didn't write....this version of Islam these people in Afghanistan and other parts of the world are practicing seems to me to totally suck!!

read his post below...


The people and society that support the death sentence are murdering savages, yes.

then comprehend this... hacking of head with freaking damn sharp end of amalgated damsyik steel are 100 x faster than electric chair.

again with the "muslim just sit on their hands about it" argument... NO WE ARE NOT.

[Red_Fern]

So, the people who stone other people to death could be considered just murdering savages who happen to also be Muslims...right? How about the hacking off of heads? How about the dismemberment of hands and feet and gouging out of eyes? So far, I can only find any modern examples of that happening in lands governed by "murdering savages" who just happen to be practicing Muslims, too. What is odd, they seem to be doing it in the name of Muhammad....and they know far more about Islam and what MMuhammad liked and did not like than I.

So, if Muhammad did not like these things, and yet his followers (well, people who say they are his followers) keep right on doing them - and much worse, like blasting other innocent people to bloody little atoms...then who the hell are the hypocrites here?

If these people now have created out of Muhammad's writings something that is a bastardized version of what he taught...we had better go tell the "good" Muslims...and they can then get after these murdering savages who would slander the good name of Muhammad, the creator of the so-called "Religion of Peace"

yet, even though I know the "good" Muslims see these things, I find it rather strange how they kind of just sit on their hands about it...even more odd, they seem to come out and cheer when they see and hear of it.

Cause, you know what...from what I see and read...it don't make a cow pie what Muhammad liked and didn't like or wrote and didn't write....this version of Islam these people in Afghanistan and other parts of the world are practicing seems to me to totally suck!!

Wow, took the words right out of my mouth. That was about to be my next contribution to the argument.