Cavalry with Cold weapons

[J-10]

http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/maximillian.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/mongol.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/sassanid.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/mosike.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/yilang.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/bolan.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/fulijiya.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/roman.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/bosizhongqibing.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/maqidun.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/yashu.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/numidiya.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/sijitai.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/norman.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/french.jpg
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/avar.jpg

[Raistlin]

These pics are waaaay cool. I want more!


http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/mosike.jpg

I may be wrong but I really don't remember russians using the curved style swords during any era.

[big_les]

These pics are waaaay cool. I want more!


http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/mosike.jpg

I may be wrong but I really don't remember russians using the curved style swords during any era.

Ottoman/Turkish influence, surely?

[VorpalDoom]

http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/roman.jpg

hey thats actually pretty damn accurate, the helmet isn't too fancy, the chainmail is almost dead on perfect... cept there wouldn't be those flaps around his neck like a color, or under his shoulder for chainmail, that'd be more chainmail...

also, the spear is too long, and theres no "groin protection" which all romans had... also helped tell rank some historians belive...

ah, and the red scarf around his neck, that'd be stuffed inside, its protection to keep the chainmail from rubbing against the neck, eventhough the leather
lining is there, but the sheild is good, the gladius(sword) is even on the right side, where it should be.

the sword wouldn't be attatched to the belt though. the sword and dagget (would be on the soldier's left hip, opposite of the sword) would be slung over the shoulder on either side, and the straps would cross eachother, helped keep the chainmail still and from being loose then catching on things. then the belt would be put on over the straps, but behind the sword, to keep those from floping around.

but honestly, thats a damn nice picture, and its pretty accurate, shoes are pretty nice, cept around 1st centruy ad, the romans began using closed toed sandals for the most part... but it really does depend on what part of the world they're from.


great find j10!

[Raistlin]

Ottoman/Turkish influence, surely?

Possibly. But I've never seen it.

[mack pl]

Ottoman/Turkish influence, surely?

Possibly. But I've never seen it.

huh, Russians didn't using sabres :cantbeli: all nations in eastern Europe using it(Poles,Ukrainians-Cossacks, Tatars-Mongols,Lithuanians,Russians,Turks etc.), nothing weird.

well, Im not expert, Perdurabo know more about it ;)

regards

[LeMat]

http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/bolan.jpg

http://www.husaria.jest.pl/husarz.jpg

The best cavalry in the history! When husaria (we call them HUSARIA and member of it is HUSARZ) was used in correct way we always won battles. Like near Kircholm in 1605 when our army (4000 people) completely slaughtered swedish army (at least 11000 people). Sweden lost about 6000-9000 soldiers (probably 6000 killed and 3000 captured) also they lost all banners and cannons. Their king Karol IX was injured and had to escape with HUSARZ in pursuit :) He had to throw his belt with gold to make him lighter :) We have lost about 100 injured and killed.

http://www.husaria.jest.pl/kirch1.jpg[/img]

[rawkitheart]

i don't know if you've read it or care to, but in neal stephenson's book Quicksilver, there's a really cool recounting of the christian siege of vienna i believe it was. anyway it takes place in the 1650's and there's a part when the main character jack ends up charing down the battlefield alongside poland's king "john" i believe it was. anyway a bunch of other poles are running about, and they seemed pretty ferocious.

[mack pl]

i don't know if you've read it or care to, but in neal stephenson's book Quicksilver, there's a really cool recounting of the christian siege of vienna i believe it was. anyway it takes place in the 1650's and there's a part when the main character jack ends up charing down the battlefield alongside poland's king "john" i believe it was. anyway a bunch of other poles are running about, and they seemed pretty ferocious.
hmmmm, yeah, I dont reade it, and i dont care ;)

in 1689 our king Jan(John) III Sobieski defeat Turkish army near of Vienna, If we wouldn't helped poor Austriaks, they will be muslim now ;)

btw western european historics generally know **** about polish history....well, Norman Davies is ok ;)

Best regards

[Raistlin]

huh, Russians didn't using sabres :cantbeli:

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/d1/c7/28_3.JPG

Ahh, crap, couldn't find more images. Google image search was much better before.

[Raistlin]

When husaria (we call them HUSARIA and member of it is HUSARZ)

Is it ****ounced Gusar in Russian by chance?

[mack pl]

When husaria (we call them HUSARIA and member of it is HUSARZ)

Is it ****ounced Gusar in Russian by chance?

well, russian G its our H, so, yeah ;) :roll:

[Raistlin]

Just like the Ukrainians then :P

Anyway, if it's the same word, Russian gussars were during Napoleon times and they looked completely different. Without the wings and stuff.

[aartamen]

When husaria (we call them HUSARIA and member of it is HUSARZ)

Is it ****ounced Gusar in Russian by chance?

Much different period though.

It's like today's American cavalry compared to Civil War cavalry.

[LeMat]

Just like the Ukrainians then :P

Anyway, if it's the same word, Russian gussars were during Napoleon times and they looked completely different. Without the wings and stuff.

There were also hungarian`s HUSSARS which were light cavalry and were used also during Napoleonic wars. Our Husaria evaluated from hungarian hussars but our cavalry was heavy and well armoured while hungarian hussars were light cavalry.
Polish HUSARIA was elite unit in our country. Only the best "killers" could join to the HUSARIA. It is told that they were able to cut bull`s head in one slash of their sabres and they could hit a signet ring by their pike at full gallop!
So. Sometimes when HUSARIA started to charge enemy was fleeing without fight because fight had no sense :D
Also during POTOP - a swedish attack on Poland in 1655-1660 swedish king Karol X Gustav had to flee at least 2 times with our Husars in pursuit :D One time our Husarz managed to catch king`s belt but king managed to took it off and escaped.

[perdurabo]

Ottoman/Turkish influence, surely?

Possibly. But I've never seen it.

huh, Russians didn't using sabres :cantbeli: all nations in eastern Europe using it(Poles,Ukrainians-Cossacks, Tatars-Mongols,Lithuanians,Russians,Turks etc.), nothing weird.

well, Im not expert, Perdurabo know more about it ;)

regards
Saber was used from VI th or IX cent by Slavs (mainly southern and estern)
Moscow was under Mongols rule for quite long time. Also later wars with Poland Turkey and Tatars(Crimea) and others. So they sabers where under great influence of this powers.
They used sabers even in 2World war (last saber produced for SU was Shashka wz1927 with no handguard derivate from Cossacs Shashka "Don"-Not this cossacs that upraised in Poland but Russian Cossacs very rusianized ukrainian unit)


http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/07/05/bolan.jpg
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/husarz.jpg
This pics are generally ok but:
first one:
Too short pike (should be5m long!)
wrong cape "blanket" on horse
Lack of Koncerz under knee
Lack of 2pistols on sadlle
sadle is wrong is in western style but should be secial polish sadle caled "kulbaka"
Spurs look for my strange much "cowboy" style on moust pics i saw they didn't used spurs at all
blue trousers should be red (husars strongly prefered red colour and golden fittings) but its minor thing because in that time they all buyed their wepons for their own cash (only pike was delivered by country)
Sec pic:
lack of koncerz
lack of saber
strange shield, should be turkish shield "kałakan" in Polish made from fig-tree sticks warped with silk...


i don't know if you've read it or care to, but in neal stephenson's book Quicksilver, there's a really cool recounting of the christian siege of vienna i believe it was. anyway it takes place in the 1650's and there's a part when the main character jack ends up charing down the battlefield alongside poland's king "john" i believe it was. anyway a bunch of other poles are running about, and they seemed pretty ferocious.
Well you prabably see in your fantasies bunch of horsmens charging down with sabers in hands yelling something... Nothing more wrong than this! :)
Hussars tactics where very advenced they attacked in lines and rows with strict order, no stupid charges with sabers rized!
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/kirch1.jpg
you can see here that they are all set in one line...
Batle order for charge aginst infantry:
all ppl started in rows and lines like this:
01. 02. 03. 04.
05. 06. 07. 08.
09. 10. 11. 12.
13. 14. 15. 16.
With one horse empty spaces betwin rows, frst lines where "elders" the richest highes traind afther meany campigns and with best armour and arms...
first steps where slow then faster and faster but not full speed gallop!
on last few meters they changed their order to
01.05.03.06.03.07.04.08
09.13.10.14.11.15.12.16
without empty spaces knee to knee and in full galopade their pikes where longer 5m to typical infantry 3-4m. on one enemy pike there where 2 upto 3 Polish pikes. When pike crushed they could use koncerz up to 2m long mainly to defeat enemys with armour, saber for enemys without armour, pistols in any moment for any opponent...
They where ferocious and brave, also very proud of beeing husar there was saying among them "when sky will fall down on us we will put it up with our trees(pikes)". but they where also highly trained, rich, educated(usually they read/write not only polish but also latin, few foregin languages like italian french russian turkish etc)...

In this pics you brought i see lacs of polish Pancerny(or "Cossacs" this name was quite often used fr difrent things) or lithuanian Petryhorec (this was the same as Pancerny but from Lithuania, Poland and Lithuania had union from ~1400 and later almoust one country caled "Republic of two nations")
http://www.soldiers-russia.com/grenada/G278-1_front.jpg
(you cant see mongolian bow here but usually they used this)
and also lacs of Lisowczycy light unit of mercenaries created afther Moscow campign (Poles ocupied moscow in XVII cent for few years)
http://www.pinakoteka.zascianek.pl/Kossak_Jul/Images/Lisowczyk.jpg

[Raistlin]

More evidence against the curved style:

http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/vasnetsov-serpent.jpg
http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/vasnetsov-bogatyrs.jpg

[LeMat]

More evidence against the curved style:

http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/vasnetsov-serpent.jpg



Is it near Chernobyl?

[Raistlin]

LOL

[perdurabo]

More evidence against the curved style:

http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/vasnetsov-serpent.jpg
http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/vasnetsov-bogatyrs.jpg
DUDE WRONG PERIOD!
this is about IX-XIII cent!
And J-10 is from XVIcent!
also i know archeological finds of first sabers from estern slavs (so rusians etc) from VI-IX century!

[perdurabo]

for J10 and rest of you
http://public.srce.hr/husar/
good pics
BTW J10 you are cavalery fan?

[perdurabo]

so no one likes cavalery? (in old style on horses etc not those biatches on tanks or helos)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

so no one likes cavalery? (in old style on horses etc not those biatches on tanks or helos)

Ekhm... if Polish 1939 cavalry counts, then I do ;)

[Herrmannek]

so no one likes cavalery? (in old style on horses etc not those biatches on tanks or helos)

Do you talk about me :)

[mack pl]

so no one likes cavalery? (in old style on horses etc not those biatches on tanks or helos)

haha, biatches on helos,huh :roll:

"do kawalerii wstapić chciałęś, ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś..." ;) :lol:

(j.k)


well, I like cavalry in old style, but Im not expert on this stuff, and Im not a pervert like you(sabres, sabres, swords, sabres,horse etc.) p-)


:lol:


z wyrazami szacunku
mack pl

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

"do kawalerii wstapić chciałęś, ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś..." ;) :lol:

rhymes do not match :roll:

[mack pl]

"do kawalerii wstapić chciałęś, ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś..." ;) :lol:

rhymes do not match :roll:

dodaj "pedałem" i się zrymuje ;)

nara

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

"do kawalerii wstapić chciałęś, ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś..." ;) :lol:

rhymes do not match :roll:

dodaj pedałem i sie zrymuje ;)

nara

"do kawalerii wstąpić chciałeś
ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś pedałem" ?

Dalej sie nie rymuje :bash:

[mack pl]

"do kawalerii wstapić chciałęś, ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś..." ;) :lol:

rhymes do not match :roll:

dodaj pedałem i sie zrymuje ;)

nara

"do kawalerii wstąpić chciałeś
ale cię nie wzięli bo jesteś pedałem" ?

Dalej sie nie rymuje :bash:

dobra, powinno być w 1 osobie-

"do kawalerii wstapić chciałem, ale mnie nie wzieli bo jestem pedałem"

teraz sie rymuje, co? ;)

PS. ja wcale nie chciałem wstąpić ;)

[Raistlin]

so no one likes cavalery? (in old style on horses etc not those biatches on tanks or helos)
I'm a fan of the entire pre-18th century military. Especially during the medieval times. So keep the pics coming.

[perdurabo]

:) i prefer XVI-XVIIcentury (Republic golden age)


http://www.szlachta.org/obraz/husarz_balt.gif
http://www.szlachta.org/obraz/husarz.jpg
http://www.polishcenter.net/images/husarz%5B2%5D.jpg
but they are from XVII cent before that it was light cavalery
http://husaria1.webpark.pl/gfx/husarz7.jpg
img around 1500 then they started to wear more and more armour ...

[FB]

Interesting topic.

About the sabres in use or not by Russians:

The picture down here shows the badge that all the Italian veterans of WWII Russian front were given. It shows two crossed sabres and the words FRONTE RUSSO (= Russian Front) under them. The Italian Army (the VIIIth army, known as ARMIR) was deployed on the Don River and there they got in touch with the Don Cossacks (some of them, mounted Cavalry units, even joined the Italian Army and were attached to the Italian mounted Cavalry units on that front: Savoia Cavalleria Regiment and Lancieri di Novara Regiment).

It is sayd that the sabres on the badge were choosen in memory of the Land of the Cossacks on the Don, where the Italians were sent, and where they saw them on those brave cavalrymen.

Here's the picture (I hope):

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/Uniformi/img_uniformi/img_distintivi/ricordo/dist_ric1.gif

Best regards

[Raistlin]

It is sayd that the sabres on the badge were choosen in memory of the Land of the Cossacks on the Don, where the Italians were sent, and where they saw them on those brave cavalrymen.

Cossaks are not exactly Russian. They're more Ukrainian. Very different from the Moscow troops which are supposedly portrayed in that picture ("moskovich" means citizen of Moscow).

Those are Zaporozhskie Cossaks but they're not much different from the Donskie ones:

http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/repin-cossacks.jpg

[FB]

It is sayd that the sabres on the badge were choosen in memory of the Land of the Cossacks on the Don, where the Italians were sent, and where they saw them on those brave cavalrymen.

Cossaks are not exactly Russian. They're more Ukrainian. Very different from the Moscow troops which are supposedly portrayed in that picture ("moskovich" means citizen of Moscow).

Those are Zaporozhskie Cossaks but they're not much different from the Donskie ones:

http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/repin-cossacks.jpg

Intersting, thank you.

In the picture you posted the sabre carried by the men dressed in red, in the middle of the picture, looks a lot like those depicted in the badge I posted.

Please correct me if i'm wrong but the Don River, in the area where the Italians were, is (was?) in Russia, not in Ukraine. Am I correct? I have the impression that this area is sort of "mixture" between Russia and Ukraine, but due to my ignorance of the subject I may very well be wrong.

best regards

[perdurabo]

this pics from your badge are later era.
They are caled Shashka around 18-20cent.
And this pic from Raistlin is circa 17cent "Cossacs writing letter tu Turkish Emperor" first words of this letter are "You ****ed up turkish biatch we do not afraid you son of a devil...." :lol:
This saber on this pic is close to persian Shamshir and Turkish sabers they where often used due to their good blades often from damascus.
Also Don cossacs are difrent from Sich cossacs from Zaporoze. sich cossacs first where citizens of Republic (Poland&lithuania) but rebbeled aginst us. Muscovites and Mongols helped them and whole ukraine where divided betwin Poland Russia and Crimea(Mongolian country depended on Turks) Afhter Republic anexation by Russia Austrai and Prussia sich cossacs rebeled aginst tsars but where sloughtered. And Tsars created "cossacs" units but they wherent sich cossacs.... Its realy tragical story of cossacs and ukraine.

[FB]

this pics from your badge are later era.
They are caled Shashka around 18-20cent.
And this pic from Raistlin is circa 17cent "Cossacs writing letter tu Turkish Emperor" first words of this letter are "You f*** up turkish biatch we do not afraid you son of a devil...." :lol:
This saber on this pic is close to persian Shamshir and Turkish sabers they where often used due to their good blades often from damascus.
Also Don cossacs are difrent from Sich cossacs from Zaporoze. sich cossacs first where citizens of Republic (Poland&lithuania) but rebbeled aginst us. Muscovites and Mongols helped them and whole ukraine where divided betwin Poland Russia and Crimea(Mongolian country depended on Turks) Afhter Republic anexation by Russia Austrai and Prussia sich cossacs rebeled aginst tsars but where sloughtered. And Tsars created "cossacs" units but they wherent sich cossacs.... Its realy tragical story of cossacs and ukraine.

Yes I believe that the Cossaks story is a tragic one. Maybe you can poit me to some site with their history (or that of the region), preferabily in English? I'd like to know more about this matter.

What is the difference between a Sich Cossack and a Don Cossack? Their geografical origin?

Best regards

[LeMat]

Perdurabo

Do you have a bigger, colorfull version of that picture?

http://www.polishcenter.net/images/husarz%5B2%5D.jpg

It is FANTASTIC!! I know that it is some quite famous painting but I can`t find bigger version.

[perdurabo]

Yes I believe that the Cossaks story is a tragic one. Maybe you can poit me to some site with their history (or that of the region), preferabily in English? I'd like to know more about this matter.

What is the difference between a Sich Cossack and a Don Cossack? Their geografical origin?

Best regards
Sich or Zaporoshe/Zaporoze Cossacs where around 17century formed in 15-16 and fallen in around 18 cent. they lived around river Dniepr(ukraine) they build on islands on Dniepr their fortified viliges caled Sich.
Apart of that in Russia lived many more cossacs like Don, Oranenburg, Kuban etc... I dont have too much about them the best place to look about history of Europe is Norman Davies book "Europe" (any N.Davies book is great) its quite heavy but it is comperhension of history of all europe not only western but estern too...
Lemat no i dont know...

[FB]

Yes I believe that the Cossaks story is a tragic one. Maybe you can poit me to some site with their history (or that of the region), preferabily in English? I'd like to know more about this matter.

What is the difference between a Sich Cossack and a Don Cossack? Their geografical origin?

Best regards
Sich or Zaporoshe/Zaporoze Cossacs where around 17century formed in 15-16 and fallen in around 18 cent. they lived around river Dniepr(ukraine) they build on islands on Dniepr their fortified viliges caled Sich.
Apart of that in Russia lived many more cossacs like Don, Oranenburg, Kuban etc... I dont have too much about them the best place to look about history of Europe is Norman Davies book "Europe" (any N.Davies book is great) its quite heavy but it is comperhension of history of all europe not only western but estern too...
Lemat no i dont know...

Thank you very much, Perdurabo

[J-10]

for J10 and rest of you
http://public.srce.hr/husar/
good pics
BTW J10 you are cavalery fan?

I just know a little ancient cavalry, I am curious to European cavalry and learning from you. :lol:

[aartamen]

As far as I remember (I had it in school, many years ago) when the original Cossacs were defeated by the Russians, they were allowed to settle wild areas of Russia. They were in essence settlers akin to the colonial ones of other Europe empires. All commoners at the time were subject to near-slavery serfdom. Your noble could sell your ass, or lose in a card game and such. So Cossacs were given a chance to live free but dangerously on the frontier. Given their ass-kicking culture they took that offer up with enthusiasm. Eventually those "new" Cossacs started to serve the Tsarz as one of the most loyal elements of the cavalry. Go figure. They were, again, the most difficult people for the Bolshevicks to break.

http://www.armymuseum.ru/kaz1_e.html - This looks impressive. I did not read it. So if it totally contradicts the above, don't ask me. I went to school under the Communists.

[Raistlin]

Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack)

[Sorbas2000]

i don't know if you've read it or care to, but in neal stephenson's book Quicksilver, there's a really cool recounting of the christian siege of vienna i believe it was. anyway it takes place in the 1650's and there's a part when the main character jack ends up charing down the battlefield alongside poland's king "john" i believe it was. anyway a bunch of other poles are running about, and they seemed pretty ferocious.
hmmmm, yeah, I dont reade it, and i dont care ;)

in 1689 our king Jan(John) III Sobieski defeat Turkish army near of Vienna, If we wouldn't helped poor Austriaks, they will be muslim now ;)

btw western european historics generally know **** about polish history....well, Norman Davies is ok ;)

Best regards

Maybe thats because Poland most times was under foreign authority!? :lol:

But of cause, Poland had the best cavalery, defeated Europe from Turks....and is simple one of the strongest and best countries. I realy love the polish nationalism.

[dez000]

More evidence against the curved style:

http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/vasnetsov-serpent.jpg



Is it near Chernobyl?

HAHAHA :lol:

Good one

[Dennis G]

Excellent photos, very nice

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Maybe thats because Poland most times was under foreign authority!? :lol:

So I see that you know **** about Polish history....
Poland was under foreign authority in 1793-1918.
And Polish state exist since Xth century.

From CIA Factbook about Bulgaria:

but by the end of the 14th century the country was overrun by the Ottoman Turks. Bulgaria regained its independence in 1878

Soooo who was most times under foreign rule?



But of cause, Poland had the best cavalery, defeated Europe from Turks....and is simple one of the strongest and best countries. I realy love the polish nationalism.

Soooo tell us how poooowerfull your Bulgaria is.. :roll:
It's a damn empire... :roll:

[Catch22]

Sorbas, its not the first time you produce such bitter comments... Any reasons for that? You envy us something? I'm just happy Bulgaria is developing and I'm not trying to mock your fatherland just because you made a silly or just a bit over enthusiastic comment (which is often the case with us Poles here). So try to be more positive...

And, oh how ironically - I really thought that "nationalism" was a Balkan speciality - all those XIX cent idee fixee of "Great -type name of your country here-". Great Serbia, Great Albania, Great Bulgaria etc. :roll:

[perdurabo]

ok to stop BS
few numbers and dates.
Husaria didn't lost one single battle for 125years from 1500 to 1625
They fought in meany battles and in moust of them enemy had more troops.
just to show in 10years:
Date of Battle
Place
number of Poles&Lithuanians (number of hussaria)
Opponent and its number
how meany opponents for one Pole/Lithuanian

29-IX-1600
Karksi
1200 (?)
Swedes 3000
2,5

25-XI-1600
Cutrea de Argesz
1450 (950)
wołosi(don't know their name in english) ok.9000
~6

7-I-1601
Cesis (Kieś)
700 (ok.350)
Swedes 3000
4,3

23-IV-1601
Kokenhausen (Koknese)
3000 (ok.1000)
Swedes 4900
1,6

25-IX-1604
Biały Kamień (Paide)
2300 (?)
Swedes 6000
2,6

27-IX-1605
Kircholm
3500 (1450)
Swedes 11000
3,1

4-VII-1610
Kłuszyn
6800 (5550)
Russians(Muscovites) ok.35000
~5

the biggest batles:
Orszą - 1514 r.
Obertynem - 1531 r.
Lubieszowem - 1577 r.
Byczyną - 1588r
Kokenhausen - 1601 r.
Kircholmem - 1605 r.
Kłuszynem - 1610 r.
Chocimiem - 1621 r.
Martynowem - 1624 r.
Trzcianą - 1629 r.
Ochmatowem - 1644 r.
Żółte Wody 1648 r.
Warszawą - 1656 r.
Wyprawa na czambuły - 1672 r.
Chocimiem - 1673 r.
Lwowem - 1675 r.
Wiedniem - 1683 r.
They where disbandes in 1776 in one of their last battles Poles loosed but husaria crushed enemy cavalery.
So show me better unit.

[d0n0tm0ve]

http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/34/20040503/163914/186891.jpg

[d0n0tm0ve]

http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/34/20040503/163914/186891.jpg

[LeMat]

Husaria is the best. Better then M1 Abrams ;)

http://landofthewingedhorsemen.homestead.com/files/Hussars_battlecharge.jpg


http://www.hatcheggs.co.jp/aule/bbsdata/26_1.jpg

[perdurabo]

d0n0tm0ve could you tell us something about this pic and troops on them?
they are asians. maybe chinese? whate era?.... :)

[d0n0tm0ve]

d0n0tm0ve could you tell us something about this pic and troops on them?
they are asians. maybe chinese? whate era?.... :)

Chinese, 1300 year ago

[d0n0tm0ve]

2000 year ago
http://www.gogohome.com.cn/gogohome/file_upload/5539238870482922632092415906250000.jpg

[d0n0tm0ve]

http://www.gogohome.com.cn/gogohome/file_upload/2897165622643472632092416129062500.jpg

[aartamen]

I do not know what the artist idea was, but that bitch is taking a piss.

[perdurabo]

reanimation of thread!:)
http://www.bagrit.ires.pl/galeria/galeria_ww.php
by Wojciech Wasiak moustly 14th to 15th century also asian mongols tatars etc...