PDA

View Full Version : Whether and when the China bubble would burst?



Shuimo
08-18-2009, 10:31 AM
Do you think the socio-economic development of China in recent decades represents a big bubble? If it is a bubble, when do you think it wud burst?


Walker's World: The China bubble
By Martin Walker
UPI Editor Emeritus




Paris, France — Any assessment of China's economic prospects has to begin with the fact that the Beijing political authorities may be the world's best-governing elite in terms of their economic record. But they may be running into trouble.

They have proven themselves over the last 30 years to be extraordinarily accomplished, delivering sustained economic growth and higher living standards. The country[/URL] is now poised to overtake Germany as the world's leading exporter and to overtake Japan as the world's second-largest economy.
China's leaders have combined dazzling economic performance with political stability and so far have negotiated dramatic social change with ruthless skill. All this constitutes an alternative model for other developing nations to the traditional Western form of free market liberal democracy. The Beijing model (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is authoritarian export-led growth.
The question is whether this model can comfortably continue when its main export markets in North America and Europe have sharply reduced their appetites for Chinese imports.
The other severe challenges for the Beijing authorities are well-known: the shortage of arable land; the even worse shortages of water; the growing dependence on imported energy; an environmental crisis so severe that it has become a major health problem; and the demographic nightmare that will soon result from 30 years of the one-child policy.
All these are sobering difficulties that lie ahead. But the immediate concern must be the vast amounts of credit that have been pumped into the economy. This was Beijing's strategy to escape the global recession. China's economy has experienced what looks to be a recovery during the past six months, with the country set to meet the 8 percent GDP growth target for 2009 – though statistics in China are notoriously dubious.
The rapid pickup in the economy has been largely the result of a massive increase in state-mandated bank lending. In the first half of the year new loans reached an incredible US$1.1 trillion, almost double the total lending for the whole of the previous year. At this rate, China's banks will lend this year around half the country's GDP. This (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is without precedent, in China or elsewhere.
Most of this has gone to local government-backed entities to help finance their stimulus-related infrastructure projects and to state-owned enterprises, rather than to the usually more productive small and medium-sized private enterprises. Wei Jianing, an official at the State Council's Development and Research Center, said nearly 1.2 trillion yuan of loans are suspected to have been illegally invested in stocks and a lot more is going into speculative residential construction.
A property bubble (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is forming fast. Analysts at Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group have reviewed recent land auctions to demonstrate that a square meter of unused land now costs more than the same space in adjacent existing condominiums.
So the price of those condominiums is now also soaring, over 10 percent in a month. Large plots in recent big land auctions in Shanghai's Qingpu district and in Beijing's Guangqu Road have gone for more than three times the reserve price, with state-owned enterprises like Sinopec as the buyers.
"The cause of the dominance of the large state enterprises has been their ability to obtain huge levels of finance from the banks, which they have passed onto the real estate companies in their groups," commented MUFG. "Private companies remain at a major disadvantage to state enterprises in terms of access to funding."
There (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is a lot of anecdotal evidence of completed but empty housing blocks and half-built shopping malls. One recent report, cited by Professor Michael Pettis of Beijing University's Guanghua School of Management, noted "$10 billion of non-performing loans in unfinished or empty apartment blocks in the single city of Guiyang."
But local governments are all in favor of such speculative construction, since much of their income comes from land sales. They give 5 percent of the proceeds to the central government and keep the rest.
"The bubble is getting bigger and bigger," warns Alan Chiang, head of mainland Chinese residential property in Shenzhen for property broker DTZ. Veteran Morgan Stanley analyst Andy Xie says: "Chinese stock and property markets have bubbled up again. It was fueled by bank lending and inflation fear. I think that Chinese stocks and properties are 50 percent to 100 percent overvalued.”
A recovery that depends on re-inflating an asset bubble may work in the short term, but it (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is very risky. Shanghai-based Michael Kurtz, head of China research for Macquarie Securities, warns that it "could exacerbate politically destabilizing wealth disparities, cause misallocation of savings and physical resources, and create the threat of widespread wealth destruction if policymakers misjudge the exit strategy and have to step hard on the brakes."
The China Banking Regulatory Commission is trying to restrain credit, requiring banks to raise their bad-loan reserve ratio to 150 percent at the end of the year, forcing the lenders to set aside more funds. It may be too late. Agricultural Bank of China, one of the Big Four state lenders, could need an additional 247.9 billion yuan for loan losses, 378 percent of its pre-tax profit last year, according to the Fitch ratings agency.
On top of all this, wage inflation in China has been significantly higher than other countries – 15 percent over the last 18 months compared with 2.4 percent in Brazil, for example.
But then politics (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is deeply involved. The infighting is well under way for the post of President Hu Jintao's successor in 2012, and he very much wants to protect his legacy by ensuring that his supporters form a majority of the future Politburo. So this (http://www.upiasia.com/columnist/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/) is no time to turn in a bad economic report. By hook or by crook, Beijing may be expected to meet its self-imposed target of 8 percent annual growth – even if the consequent bubble defers the need to tackle China's other looming problems.

[URL]http://www.upiasia.com/Economics/2009/08/18/walkers_world_the_china_bubble/4975/

Hispeed1
08-18-2009, 10:56 AM
When? Not for a while. But when it does, it will be a big, big pop!

Gleipnir
08-18-2009, 11:00 AM
Shuimo, the correct spelling of would is would, not wud. Just thought you would like to know that.

Hazzard
08-18-2009, 11:24 AM
Shuimo, the correct spelling of would is would, not wud. Just thought you would like to know that.

Grammar Nazi detected!

http://s.lurkmore.ru/images/5/56/Grammar_nazi_512px.png

Panchito12
08-18-2009, 04:45 PM
Do you think the socio-economic development of China in recent decades represents a big bubble? Big bubble.



If it is a bubble, when do you think it wud burst? When it goes "BANG"!

Gleipnir
08-18-2009, 05:00 PM
Grammar Nazi detected!


Hazzard, If you carefully review my post you will see that my comments were in regards to spelling, not grammar. I understand that you needed an excuse to post your 'witty' image but please pay more attention to detail in the future.

CS1.6
08-18-2009, 10:47 PM
Shuimo, stop posting so many China related posts here,

China has been a nasty word here and already had enough attention;

Shuimo
08-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Shuimo, stop posting so many China related posts here,

China has been a nasty word here and already had enough attention;

You consider it as too many?

I feel no shame in bringing China, whether its good or dark sides, to public attention!

As China's economic-political clout continues to grow, it is presslingly urgent for international citizens to scrutinize this dragon or monster or whatever you call it, by candid and open discussions about it!

Throwing China under the carpet is like an ostrich dipping its head into sand!

You get it?

dttk0009
08-18-2009, 11:01 PM
Hazzard, If you carefully review my post you will see that my comments were in regards to spelling, not grammar. I understand that you needed an excuse to post your 'witty' image but please pay more attention to detail in the future.
If you're going to pay so much attention to spelling, why capitalize after a comma?

Gleipnir
08-18-2009, 11:45 PM
My original post was just some friendly advice for Shuimo as I know that he enjoys improving his English, not trying to be a 'Nazi' of any variety.
In regards to your nitpicking, I later added 'Hazzard' as an afterthought to make my post more personal, thereby ensuring that everyone here, including your smart ass, would know who I was addressing.
Since we are trading advice why don't I suggest that you mind your own business when not being spoken to. :bash:

And just in case you are wondering about the smilie, that was added for extra effect so as to ensure that you 'feel' my attitude in regards to your post.

Thanks.

dttk0009
08-18-2009, 11:54 PM
My original post was just some friendly advice for Shuimo as I know that he enjoys improving his English, not trying to be a 'Nazi' of any variety.
In regards to your nitpicking, I later added 'Hazzard' as an afterthought to make my post more personal, thereby ensuring that everyone here, including your smart ass, would know who I was addressing.
Since we are trading advice why don't I suggest that you mind your own business when not being spoken to. :bash:

And just in case you are wondering about the smilie, that was added for extra effect so as to ensure that you 'feel' my attitude in regards to your post.

Thanks.
Relax, it was a post in jest :) I don't have any qualms with spelling or grammar errors, especially when it comes to online forums with international members. I've lived in Asia all my life, after all. If you were seriously offended then I apologize, that was not my intention.

Gleipnir
08-18-2009, 11:57 PM
No worries, just some fun humour
p.s. I love you

tusiki
08-19-2009, 06:42 AM
A failed article.

The title was about the bubble. But the conclusion was "the consequent bubble defers the need to tackle China's other looming problems."

Shuimo
08-19-2009, 11:26 AM
My original post was just some friendly advice for Shuimo as I know that he enjoys improving his English, not trying to be a 'Nazi' of any variety.


Thank you for lavising such concern over my ENglish!
I do love to improve my language skills, though I often reap praise from my international friends here in Beijing, who often say sth like this:

"Shuimo, have you ever lived broad? Yr English is very good!" (Which of course doesn't mean my English is really that good)
(I told them not, they wud be all the more suprised!)

I know Westerners are just easy with praise, I still feel quite flattered!