What is the Deal with Dual Citizenship?

[ren0312]

Basically dual citizenship is that concept of it being legal to hold two citizenship, for example although you live in Australia and is a naturalized Australian citizen, you also still retain your Viet Namese citizenship, on one level such a law is not a problem, as long as that citizen agress to follow Australian law, on another level, such a concept is troublesome if you see a citizenship as being effectively a statement of political allegiance to a state, since having two or more citizenships means that that citizen is swearing his allegiance to two or more more countries, which would effectively violate his oath of citizenship, although some immigrants just see their citizenship not as a symbol of political allegiance but as a sort of safety blanket, so that they can readily move to a more stable country if the country that they reside in has some sort of unrest.

[Kaapeli]

Many dual-citizens have multicultural parents and they don't want to have to choose between two nations they equally consider their own.

[ren0312]

Many dual-citizens have multicultural parents and they don't want to have to choose between two nations they equally consider their own.

Depending on how you view the concept of citizenship, I guess you can this see explanation as being valid or not valid. The problem is that if the oath of citizenship is effectively an oath of allegiance, then you are effectively saying that you owe an allegiance to two state?

[Ordie]

There are no universal policy governing dual citizenship. The US for example does not recognize dual citizenship, however it does not preclude other countries from doing so.

Many who have dual citizenship do so for pragmatic reasons. Property ownership, access to education, ease of travel, security or as an insurance policy.

Some countries such as Argentina, does not allow the resignation of citizenship. Once an Argentine is always an Argentine even if the individual becomes a naturalized citizen of another country.

Some countries extend citizenship to children and grandchildren of expatriots abroad. This is the case with some EU member countries. Many take advantage on the premise of educational and job opportunities throughout Europe.

[wotsnext]

The thing that gets me is the way that these people can vote for a govenment in a country in which they don't reside, my mother in law votes here in the UK and also in Ireland, yet she has not lived there for decades.

[toki]

Depending on how you view the concept of citizenship, I guess you can this see explanation as being valid or not valid. The problem is that if the oath of citizenship is effectively an oath of allegiance, then you are effectively saying that you owe an allegiance to two state?

What do you mean with oath of allegiance? I have a friend who has dual citizenship in two countries with conscription. He got into the German Bundeswehr and the Finnish defense forces were ok with it (but only because he could prove he really served in Germany - if not they would have demanded his service).

Other than conscription or getting into the police force i don't see any citizen giving an oath of allegiance. I was born German, nobody asked me to put my hand on a giant golden book and swear i will always be German.

The only valid instance is the local law and the law of the country you claim citizenship.


The thing that gets me is the way that these people can vote for a govenment in a country in which they don't reside, my mother in law votes here in the UK and also in Ireland, yet she has not lived there for decades.
He, yep. My mother can't vote in Germany, but in Austria. But she never did, since it isn't her home anymore and her vote would only affect others not herself.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

The US does allow dual citizenship if the other country allows it. There are many people with dual US/UK or US/Israeli citizenship for instance.

[Flagg]

I have dual citizenship.......it's a VERY nice thing to have.

It provides flexibility and options not just for myself, but far more importantly, my children.

If it were easy enough to do sometime way down the road I'd look at getting an EU passport.

That way, my kids would have the option to live/work anywhere of their choosing with little restriction in most of the OECD.

Going forward long term, I kinda see some winners and losers.

The winners will be people with enough education/money/youth/skills to become the citizen equivalent of an NFL or NBA Free Agent...countries will be even more aggressively trying to attract top talent.......the best will be able to choose.

The losers will be lots of Joe 6 packs who will quite possibly be negatively impacted by their lack of international options......kind of like average Joe Argentinian circa 2001-2003+, soon followed by non EU Eastern Europeans....stuck in a country with few options.......unable to leave for greener pastures.

The next decade will probably display the value of dual citizenship more than at any time since WWII.

[Ordie]

The thing that gets me is the way that these people can vote for a govenment in a country in which they don't reside, my mother in law votes here in the UK and also in Ireland, yet she has not lived there for decades.

You should see the campaigning that goes on in Buenos Aires whenever there's Italian or Spanish general elections. It's weird to see a Berlusconi ad on a Buenos Aires bus.

We have the same thing here in San Francisco whenever there's El Salvadorian elections. You see campaign posters for FMLN or ARENA in the Mission District.

The President of the Dominican Republic has dual US / Domincan citizenship.

[Panchito12]

There are no universal policy governing dual citizenship. The US for example does not recognize dual citizenship, however it does not preclude other countries from doing so.



You got that all wrong hommes. :cantbeli:

The US law is silent as to the question of dual-citizenship and does not require that one choose between one or the other. We recognize the fact that dual nationality exists but do not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause.

For example, claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with our own law. Likewise, if there ever is a conflict between the two nations in question, one may be required to take up arms against the other (or else), or may actually be interned or incarcerated during the duration of the conflict as an enemy alien.

p.s. I have the option to get a foreign passport (my mom & grandparents), but there is no way in hell that my name will ever be appended to a passport that does not say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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[Shuimo]

You got that all wrong hommes. :cantbeli:

The US law is silent as to the question of dual-citizenship and does not require that one choose between one or the other. We recognize the fact that dual nationality exists but do not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause.

For example, claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with our own law. Likewise, if there ever is a conflict between the two nations in question, one may be required to take up arms against the other (or else), or may actually be interned or incarcerated during the duration of the conflict as an enemy alien.

p.s. I have the option to get a foreign passport (my mom & grandparents), but there is no way in hell that my name will ever be appended to a passport that does not say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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Very smart American policy!

I just want to add:
Permitting dual citizenship has the big advantage of brain gaining!

You can draw talents from many other countries!

[toki]

p.s. I have the option to get a foreign passport (my mom & grandparents), but there is no way in hell that my name will ever be appended to a passport that does not say MEXICO.
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Very smart American policy!

I just want to add:
Permitting dual citizenship has he big advantage of brain gaining!

You can draw talents from many other countries!
Depending on your position it might be brain draining.

In the EU it doesn't even matter, you can live and work in all the countries.
Many work across the border, or study. Some even live across the border and work in their home country. A rather comfortable regulation for EU citizens.

In Germany the dual citizenship thing is rather complicated, i think it's depending on the nation. They seem to demand other passports to be put down, but not in every case.

[Shuimo]

fixed......
R you sure Panchito12 is Mexican?
It surprised me!

[Ordie]

R you sure Panchito12 is Mexican?
It surprised me!

Shuimo, you need to get out of China and see the world.

[Shuimo]

Shuimo, you need to get out of China and see the world.
To tell you a little secret of mine, I do indeed very much desire to go abroad and see the outside world, most preferably by pursuing further studies!But I guess conditions are not quite ripe yet!

I even play with the idea of immigrating to other countries, USA being a good candidate, if not the top one! But I don't know whether my heart could manage to be that hardened to leave my lovely endearing Beijing, the city that gave me life and breath!

[Geezah]

Megaraptor;4350154']The US does allow dual citizenship if the other country allows it. There are many people with dual US/UK or US/Israeli citizenship for instance.

When I become a US Citizen it was explained to me by the guy interviewing me, that the US does not recognize dual citizenship, but they would not request that I renounce my British citizenship who does recognize dual citizenship.
He told me that having a British Passport is like an added bonus.

[Shuimo]

When I become a US Citizen it was explained to me by the guy interviewing me, that the US does not recognize dual citizenship, but they would not request that I renounce my British citizenship who does recognize dual citizenship.
He told me that having a British Passport is like an added bonus.

It puzzles me!
If you don't recognize dual citizenship, it has to mean that you cann't be a holder of dual citizenship, right?

I know our PRC never ever recognizes a thing as such!

You are either Chinese or non-Chinese! You can't be Sino/American or Sino/Japanese!

[Seek]

it means that to the US you are an American, but to the UK you are a Brit and an American.

[CMNot]

I hold two passports. I count myself fortunate. They afford me opportunities in two continents and dozens of countries.

[Shuimo]

it means that to the US you are an American, but to the UK you are a Brit and an American.

Hmmm, we just have had a different interpretation of RECOGNITION!:)

[California Joe]

Pretty sure having dual citizenship would be a nightmare if you tried to work for the US Government and needed a TS clearance...

[Shuimo]

Pretty sure having dual citizenship would be a nightmare if you tried to work for the US Government and needed a TS clearance...
What does TS clearance mean? Sth like political alleigance test?

[Kippari]

Just as Toki said, even my godfather who holds dual Finnish-German citizenship served only in the Bundeswehr and wasn't required to serve here later. Nowadays, i'm pretty happy to have E.U. citizenship which basically allows me to work, study and travel around the Union with no problems and i'm intending to use that opportunity.

[California Joe]

Top Secret. It involves a very extensive background check. There's Classified, Secret, Top Secret, then it gets into Special Access only programs etc...

[MR.9/06]

I have both American and Dutch passports. It can make travelling easier. And I don't feel like it conflicts with allegiance in any way.

[Derbedeu]

Pretty sure having dual citizenship would be a nightmare if you tried to work for the US Government and needed a TS clearance...

I wouldn't necessarily think so. Look at Medeleine Albright, Henry Kissinger, or Zbigniew Brzezinski. I'm pretty sure the latter is still considered a Polish citizen under Polish law, at least according to Wikipedia. Even if they aren't double citizens, I don't see how being born and living one's formative years in a different country (like these three I mentioned) would make them more trustworthy simply if they don't have another citizenship. Besides, I think that one of the reasons that the US doesn't recognize double citizenship is because it enables us to view all US citizens as having primary obligations (whether taxes, military service, etc.) to the US.

Also, considering that the US has a disproportionate amount of immigrants compared to other nations, it probably means that TS clearance isn't restricted to having double citizenship. I imagine it's similar in Israel. Granted, if you live abroad for most of your life, have held political office elsewhere, or held a military rank, there's a higher restriction on your TS clearance.

[cbreedon]

Top Secret maybe but for regular govt work and even in most jobs in the State Dept. it is ok.

The US non recognition of dual citizenship goes back to the early days of the Republic when the British would take US sailors off US vessels and conscript them into the Royal Navy. The British still considered them British. This was one of the grievances that brought about the War of 1812.

I have dual US/UK citizenship and yes the US doesn't recognise it but do not do anything about having dual citizenship. I remember once I was talking to a customs official at an airport. I told him I was a dual citizen... He said you are American, I said dual... He looked up and smiled and said American.. I dropped it.

Having dual US/UK hasn't really caused me any issues since the US & UK are about as close as 2 nations can get. Neither has conscription and I can't see a situation where they would go to war. I don't see any disadvantages....

[Shuimo]

Top Secret. It involves a very extensive background check. There's Classified, Secret, Top Secret, then it gets into Special Access only programs etc...

Wow, that sounds so commie!

Our CPC is just a master of such arts in personal background checking, tracing back to yr family tree generations' back!

Any suspicious record with yr family member, such as being thrown into jail, participation in any illegal activities, wud spoil yr otherwise good chances of landing a plum job in the CPC-controlled Chinese gov!

Dunno how the US conducts such check!

[Panchito12]

Pretty sure having dual citizenship would be a nightmare if you tried to work for the US Government and needed a TS clearance...

Joe, I've never seen anyone with a dual get a TS. In my agency, even after some candidates voluteered to surrender the foreign citizenship the Security Off told them not to bother, they were not going to get a TS.


Top Secret. It involves a very extensive background check. There's Classified, Secret, Top Secret, then it gets into Special Access only programs etc...

Sensitive Compartmented Informationp-)

[Panchito12]

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Nope, it's an EU nation.

[budgie]

So let me get this straight. If the gun freaks at the townhall meetings realize their wet dreams, instigate a revolution and overthrow the administration, I can still flee to Kenya / Indonesia / Hawaii / Pakistan? Just asking.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[California Joe]

Joe, I've never seen anyone with a dual get a TS. In my agency, even after some candidates voluteered to surrender the foreign citizenship the Security Off told them not to bother, they were not going to get a TS.



Sensitive Compartmented Informationp-)

Yeah, that's how it would have been handled at ours too.

I know a guy that was waiting 3 years for a TS because his wife had family in a touchy country. Mine took 180 days. I had a TS/SAP/SCI...

[Ordie]

My Dad is tri-national (Italy, USA and Argentina).

Self employed throughout his life.
He's retired now and moved to Argentina where Social Security would cover all of his needs. Since he's Italian, his medical is fully covered at the local Italian Hospital in Buenos Aires.

Having dual nationality gives greater options.

[AK-Lover]

Ordie and Flagg are right on the the money as far as I am concerned. I have dual citizenship, Canadian and Serbian and consider my self a proud citizen of both countries, I was born in Serbia and thats where my whole family still is and where my inheritance is, but I grew up in Canada and thats the country which sheltered me and educated me and I love both countries.

[Panchito12]

My Dad is tri-national (Italy, USA and Argentina).

Self employed throughout his life.
He's retired now and moved to Argentina where Social Security would cover all of his needs. Since he's Italian, his medical is fully covered at the local Italian Hospital in Buenos Aires.

Having dual nationality gives greater options.


Italy provides the health, Argentina the roof, US....the roof when Argentina goes into one of its regular brain farts. That's how it works?

[Ordie]

Italy provides the health, Argentina the roof, US....the roof when Argentina goes into one of its regular brain farts. That's how it works?

It makes you wonder if international boundaries are just another arbitrary barrier.

Given this trend of multi-citizenship, the concept of a more "united nations" may not be too far off.

[Flagg]

I remember once I was talking to a customs official at an airport. I told him I was a dual citizen... He said you are American, I said dual... He looked up and smiled and said American.. I dropped it.



I suspect that is because from his perspective you are only an American as it's my understanding that if you have 87 legal citizenships and passports, you are still required to travel/enter the US on US documentation.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[toki]

I suspect that is because from his perspective you are only an American as it's my understanding that if you have 87 legal citizenships and passports, you are still required to travel/enter the US on US documentation.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You could enter as a foreign national. Nobody would know you had the american one. The only thing that is important, is that you have a valid passport of some sort.

[Flagg]

You could enter as a foreign national. Nobody would know you had the american one. The only thing that is important, is that you have a valid passport of some sort.

Are you sure about that?

If you are US born and acquire a second citizenship/passport your 2nd passport will show your place of birth as US, which leads to the obvious question of "Where's your US passport?"

That also doesn't factor in data mining capabilities at the finger tips of customs officers.

Don't know if it's the law, but that's what I've been told.

[Ordie]

Are you sure about that?

If you are US born and acquire a second citizenship/passport your 2nd passport will show your place of birth as US, which leads to the obvious question of "Where's your US passport?"

That also doesn't factor in data mining capabilities at the finger tips of customs officers.

Don't know if it's the law, but that's what I've been told.

Use common sense and never correct the Customs Officer.

[Elbs]

Use common sense and never correct the Customs Officer.

x2 man, x 2

[SkyUS]

As far as I know, when you hold dual citizenship and one of them being US. You are required to come in to US on the American documents. Let's say that you would come in on your other passport, I don't think it would matter. They still would know that you hold US citizenship. When I was doing my immigration work here in US, they took my Polish driving license and based on the ID number on it they were able to pull up all the info concerning me from Poland.

[Panchito12]

It makes you wonder if international boundaries are just another arbitrary barrier.

Given this trend of multi-citizenship, the concept of a more "united nations" may not be too far off.

Oh so you're one of those "black helicopters" type, eh?

[gaijinsamurai]

My son was born in Japan and my daughter here in the US, and both have citizenship of both countries.

[Ordie]

Oh so you're one of those "black helicopters" type, eh?

Nope, I fly them.

[sheytanelkebir]

i'm a dual citizen... but because my wife is from a third country our kids are triple citizens! lucky little blighters! all smug with their three passports.

[Geezah]

The US does not recognise Dual Citizenship, they just do not ask you to give up any passports you hold to other countries. In the eyes of the US Government, you are a US citizen first.

[ren0312]

Top Secret maybe but for regular govt work and even in most jobs in the State Dept. it is ok.

The US non recognition of dual citizenship goes back to the early days of the Republic when the British would take US sailors off US vessels and conscript them into the Royal Navy. The British still considered them British. This was one of the grievances that brought about the War of 1812.

I have dual US/UK citizenship and yes the US doesn't recognise it but do not do anything about having dual citizenship. I remember once I was talking to a customs official at an airport. I told him I was a dual citizen... He said you are American, I said dual... He looked up and smiled and said American.. I dropped it.

Having dual US/UK hasn't really caused me any issues since the US & UK are about as close as 2 nations can get. Neither has conscription and I can't see a situation where they would go to war. I don't see any disadvantages....

Frankly I also can see potential conflicts of interest, say you are a procurement officer at the Pentagon and you have to choose between 2 companies for a helo project, one is American and one is British, and it so happens that for that project the American company offers the better product, but only by a narrow margin, say by less than 5%, normally that means that you would choose the US company to get the contract, but then you also have a British passport, and the British helicopter, though not as good as the American one, is not very far behind in terms of capabilities, so which helicopter would you recommend to your superiors in this case, the American one or the very slightly less capable British one?

[ren0312]

My Dad is tri-national (Italy, USA and Argentina).

Self employed throughout his life.
He's retired now and moved to Argentina where Social Security would cover all of his needs. Since he's Italian, his medical is fully covered at the local Italian Hospital in Buenos Aires.

Having dual nationality gives greater options.

What about income taxes?

[ren0312]

My son was born in Japan and my daughter here in the US, and both have citizenship of both countries.


AFAIK Japan does not have a dual citizenship law, according to Wiki, as far as citizenship is concerned, I still have a somewhat early 20th century, Victorian/Edwardian view about the concept of citizenship, so for this reason something about the concept of a dual citizen strikes me as improper from a philosophical point of view, although from posts here I understand that most Western countries have given up on the idea of a citizenship being soemthing more than an alliance of convenience. Reagarding US law, is the nationality act of 1940 still in effect?

[gaijinsamurai]

Under Japanese law, citizens under age 20 can have dual citizenship, but at that age, are required to choose between the two. My kids were automatically citizens of both countries at birth.

A lot of Japanese dual citizens retain their status after age 20, as the Japanese Government does not make a big effort to find out who still has dual citizenship.

[BearInBunnySuit]

Are you sure about that?

If you are US born and acquire a second citizenship/passport your 2nd passport will show your place of birth as US, which leads to the obvious question of "Where's your US passport?"

That also doesn't factor in data mining capabilities at the finger tips of customs officers.

Don't know if it's the law, but that's what I've been told.

Even if you were born in the U.S., if you choose to be a citizen of another country, there is no problem entering the U.S. with a foreign passport.

Also children of foreign ambassadors born in the U.S. are not given U.S. citizenship.

[therifleman]

I have dual Irish and American citizenship. Makes travel a good deal easier.

[Mu-Meson]

I don't agree with the concept since it raises issues of whose oath of allegiance takes precedence. Of course, my dual British-Canadian citizenship is no biggie, since it means I am x2 sworn to the Queen.

[junglejim]

I see... some people are still waiting for the next War to End All wars. Seriously, nowadays its a lot easier to move, so should be your citizenship.

[ren0312]

I don't agree with the concept since it raises issues of whose oath of allegiance takes precedence. Of course, my dual British-Canadian citizenship is no biggie, since it means I am x2 sworn to the Queen.

I think the philosophical idea of citizenship is much more complicated for Commonwealth citizens, since their allegiance is to both King and Country, so you have both national and supranational allegiance.

[eskachig]

Frankly I also can see potential conflicts of interest, say you are a procurement officer at the Pentagon and you have to choose between 2 companies for a helo project, one is American and one is British, and it so happens that for that project the American company offers the better product, but only by a narrow margin, say by less than 5%, normally that means that you would choose the US company to get the contract, but then you also have a British passport, and the British helicopter, though not as good as the American one, is not very far behind in terms of capabilities, so which helicopter would you recommend to your superiors in this case, the American one or the very slightly less capable British one?How about doing your job as a professional? If someone hired you for your professional opinion you shouldn't let emotions get in the way of performing an impartial analysis.

[Ordie]

I think the philosophical idea of citizenship is much more complicated for Commonwealth citizens, since their allegiance is to both King and Country, so you have both national and supranational allegiance.

I doubt any Aussie, Indian, Kiwi, Canuck or Ghanaian is losing sleep over this issue.

Each Commonwealth nation is a self governing soverign nation in its own right.

[cbreedon]

Use common sense and never correct the Customs Officer.

It waa pre 9-11 and I have an American accent..... I don't think he was upset.... there's probably a notation in 'my file' :)

[cbreedon]

Frankly I also can see potential conflicts of interest, say you are a procurement officer at the Pentagon and you have to choose between 2 companies for a helo project, one is American and one is British, and it so happens that for that project the American company offers the better product, but only by a narrow margin, say by less than 5%, normally that means that you would choose the US company to get the contract, but then you also have a British passport, and the British helicopter, though not as good as the American one, is not very far behind in terms of capabilities, so which helicopter would you recommend to your superiors in this case, the American one or the very slightly less capable British one?
I would pick the best one... in your example the American made one... lives are at stake... American and probably British ones i.e medivac.

[Creampuff]

Dual citizenship can prove detrimental to those in NZ or for that matter else where, who also hold Tongan citizenship with regards the ownership off land in the the Kingdom of Tonga. That is something the Tongan male must take into account if he values the plot of land bequeathed to him via family entitlement.

[ren0312]

I doubt any Aussie, Indian, Kiwi, Canuck or Ghanaian is losing sleep over this issue.

Each Commonwealth nation is a self governing soverign nation in its own right.

In Canada's Oath of Citizenship, there is a part there that says, Queen Elizabeth II, queen of Canada, so effectively the oath is not just to country but to king and country.

[Ordie]

In Canada's Oath of Citizenship, there is a part there that says, Queen Elizabeth II, queen of Canada, so effectively the oath is not just to country but to king and country.

Queen and country.

The Head of State of Canada is Queen Elizabeth.

Unlike the US or Filipino presidential system, the Head of State is usually a figurehead in the Parlamentary system, as in the UK, Canada, Israel, Australia etc...

Pledging loyalty to the Monarch is traditional, but much deference is given to the Houses of Parlament.

[CMNot]

I would expect numbers of people carrying multiple passports to continue to rise in line with continued globalisation and the growth in movement of and trading of 'minds' as commodities in international trade.

[junglejim]

I would expect numbers of people carrying multiple passports to continue to rise in line with continued globalisation and the growth in movement of and trading of 'minds' as commodities in international trade.


True and I see no problems with it. Plus, an individual should have the right to gain legal citizenship to a place they feel at home more.

[ren0312]

I would expect numbers of people carrying multiple passports to continue to rise in line with continued globalisation and the growth in movement of and trading of 'minds' as commodities in international trade.

In that case how do you coneptualize the word "citizenship"? Is the modern man simply a "stateless" man? Or is patriotism a relic of the 20th century?

[AROUETLJ]

True and I see no problems with it. Plus, an individual should have the right to gain legal citizenship to a place they feel at home more.

On the contrary, I see huge problems, because most of the people holding dual citizenship in here Europe are also citizens of one of the ex-colonies, and believe me, they didn't obtain the European passport out of any sense of love or loyalty, but, as one Algerian, er, "scholarship holder" put it to me, "to **** France for what they did to us during 130 years." And don't get me started on Ingrid "Bétancourt".

[PDT89]

I hold a duel citizenship, its not really as big as a fuss as it seems, the only hassle is choosing which passport to use and which to leave home, which isnt really an issue.

I was born in Turkey, moved to Ireland when I was 7, my mother is Irish so i automatically gained irish citizenship when i was born here in Turkey, aswell as Turkish citizenship of course.

Lived in Ireland for 12 years, forgot my Turkish, now i have moved back here to do my military service.

The funny part is as I hold a citizenship for another country and have lived abroad for over 5 years, I have the choice of doing 21 days service with lots of other english speakers, but, becasue of my family's long tradition of serving as NCO's, my goal is the same.

I chose to do my full 15 months the exact same as the Turks who live here do, so im going in with practically no Turkish lol, I just realised I am slightly insane.

Either way, I can also join the Irish army, but not while I am in the turkish military lol. So I got plenty of options really, Dual citizenship is the life, you always have a backup plan if you get stuck abroad or something along those lines.

Theres plenty of Nations which have good relations with Turkey, and any of the countries that have a problem with Turkey have no problem with Ireland lol i never get held up at the airport security hahaha.

[toki]

I chose to do my full 15 months the exact same as the Turks who live here do, so im going in with practically no Turkish lol, I just realised I am slightly insane.


You'll probably having lots of German Turks, but they all speak Turkish, i was told in a stupid accent though (for Turkish-turkish ears).

[PDT89]

You'll probably having lots of German Turks, but they all speak Turkish, i was told in a stupid accent though (for Turkish-turkish ears).

The language isnt a worry, il learn quickly, by way of my sargeants fistp-)
I plan on stayin for longer than the service requirement anyway

[junglejim]

On the contrary, I see huge problems, because most of the people holding dual citizenship in here Europe are also citizens of one of the ex-colonies, and believe me, they didn't obtain the European passport out of any sense of love or loyalty, but, as one Algerian, er, "scholarship holder" put it to me, "to **** France for what they did to us during 130 years." And don't get me started on Ingrid "Bétancourt".


And how many of those are out for vengeance compared those who actually love their adopted nation?

[JJC]

I had 3 passports in the past but not anymore, and now I kinda wish that I had another passport to make traveling easier and safer. For some reason not everyone likes to see an American tourist.p-)

[PeterRJG]

My kids are dual citizens. Australian by virtue of me being their dad, and Americans by virtue of where they were born and what nationality their mother is. Neither the US nor Australia cares one way or the other, so long as they enter and leave the respective country with its issued passport.

[Seek]

Frankly I also can see potential conflicts of interest, say you are a procurement officer at the Pentagon and you have to choose between 2 companies for a helo project, one is American and one is British, and it so happens that for that project the American company offers the better product, but only by a narrow margin, say by less than 5%, normally that means that you would choose the US company to get the contract, but then you also have a British passport, and the British helicopter, though not as good as the American one, is not very far behind in terms of capabilities, so which helicopter would you recommend to your superiors in this case, the American one or the very slightly less capable British one?

What kind of question is hat? you do what's best for your employer!