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ariweiner
07-06-2004, 12:54 PM
Foreign 'jihadists' seem to play minor role in insurgency
Peter Eisler and Tom Squitieri
USA Today
Jul. 6, 2004 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Suspected foreign fighters account for less than 2 percent of the 5,700 captives being held as security threats in Iraq, one of the strongest indications yet that Iraqis are largely responsible for the stubborn anti-U.S. insurgency.

Since last August, coalition forces have detained 17,700 people in Iraq who were considered to be enemy fighters or security risks, and about 400 were foreign nationals, according to figures supplied last week by the U.S. military command handling detention operations in Iraq. Most of those detainees were freed after a review board found they didn't pose significant threats. About 5,700 remain in custody, 90 of them foreign nationals.

The numbers represent one of the most precise measurements to date of the composition of the insurgency and suggest that some Bush administration officials have overstated the role of foreign holy warriors, or "jihadists," from other Arab states.

The figures also suggest that Iraq hasn't become as big a magnet for foreign terrorists as some administration critics have asserted.

In Ramadi, where Marines have fended off coordinated attacks by hundreds of insurgents, the fighters "are all locals," said Lt. Col. Paul Kennedy, commander of the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment. "There are very few foreign fighters."

Despite the relatively few foreign nationals in custody, officials believe people outside Iraq are playing key roles in organizing or financing attacks on U.S. troops. They're especially intent on eliminating Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian al-Qaida operative who has claimed responsibility for a series of bombings and assassinations in Iraq.

Of the 90 foreign captives, more than half are Syrian. That has prompted President Bush to complain publicly that Syria has failed to secure its border with Iraq and ensure that the country isn't used as a staging ground for foreign fighters.

Suspected foreign fighters from Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and other Arab nations are also being held.

The Pentagon's focus on foreign fighters initially grew from intelligence that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida leaders enlisted fighters from outside Iraq to resist the U.S. occupation.

One top general from Saddam's Baath Party, "acknowledged foreign-fighter recruitment throughout the Middle East" during questioning late last year, according to a classified description of his interrogation obtained by USA Today.

U.S. officials repeatedly warned that foreign fighters were coming to Iraq to kill Americans.

In February, Dan Senor, a spokesman for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority, said, "We have seen an influx of foreign fighters that have come into the country since the war because, we believe, the terrorists have declared Iraq the central front in their war."

Midav
07-06-2004, 01:47 PM
Do they seem to have a minor role? Or do they have a minor role?

Also, interesting where the article states how people like zarqawi, a non Iraqi, have leading roles in the insurgency.

Sorry, ariwienie, come again.

ChuckThunder
07-06-2004, 01:56 PM
I could tell this was your post by looking at the title alone... :roll:

Kitsune
07-06-2004, 02:01 PM
Well, I see things differently than Midav. AFAIK it is quite known for months now, that the insurgents are mostly Iraqis (Zarqawi may have become infamous, but he is hardly THE leader of the resistance. And people like Sadr are Iraqis, after all) with foreigners playing only an insignificant role.
So I would ask: "What is new about this, Ari?"



I could tell this was your post by looking at the title alone...
Hehe, me too.

chauncy republicans
07-06-2004, 02:05 PM
Do you people shake your finger at everything he posts!? I'm begining to think he can't post anything without the FANCLUB ranting on about how he is soooo Anti-American. :roll:

Midav
07-06-2004, 02:11 PM
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I also never said he was THE leader, now did I? ;)

About al-sadr, he is being supported by Iran. Again, an outside influence.

Now this is my opinion as to why foreigners have taken a role in leading the insurgency: If a stable and democratic Iraqi government were to take hold, that would be a danger to most surrounding nations, predominantly Iran and Syria.

People start getting ideas and wonder why they live under a dictatorship.

Kitsune
07-06-2004, 02:20 PM
About al-sadr, he is being supported by Iran. Again, an outside influence.

Hehehe... and what do you say bout this "stable and democratic Iraqi government" of Iraq? It is supported by the USA. That is clearly an outside influence, too, isn't it?
p-)

RomanS
07-06-2004, 02:21 PM
About al-sadr, he is being supported by Iran. Again, an outside influence.

Hehehe... and what do you say bout this "stable and democratic Iraqi government" of Iraq? It is supported by the USA. That is clearly an outside influence, too, isn't it?
p-)

why do you and your Euro friends care so much about USA ? live your live in Europe and be happy.

Midav
07-06-2004, 02:24 PM
About al-sadr, he is being supported by Iran. Again, an outside influence.

Hehehe... and what do you say bout this "stable and democratic Iraqi government" of Iraq? It is supported by the USA. That is clearly an outside influence, too, isn't it?
p-)

It's not going to be much of a stable and democratic Iraq if these attacks continue, now is it? I hope I am wrong, but I predicted last year that there will be no democratic Iraq in the long run.

The area alone won't allow it. The best that the US can hope for is to have a government in Iraq that is more friendly towards the US/west.

Again, my opinion.

Midav
07-06-2004, 02:31 PM
I'd like to add, no, I am not saying there would not be an insurgency without the likes of zarqawi. Only a fool would think otherwise.

However, I do not believe there would be as many dead now.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Kitsune
07-06-2004, 02:34 PM
@Midav:I just wanted to say, that to dismiss someone as "non-iraqi", or "not representative for Iraqis" just because he is supported by an outside party is not correct. That's it.



PermskiiOMON wrote:

why do you and your Euro friends care so much about USA ? live your live in Europe and be happy.
I live in Europe. And I am happy, thanks. While I not intend to emigrate, I care about the USA because my Uncle is American, I have been there more than a dozen times and I like the country and the people. They are going through a difficult phase now, that's all. ;)

But why do you care about me caring? What about you just living in...Russia...or where ever, being happy (or trying to be, as good as you can, *bon chance*...you may need it) and leaving me alone?

Midav
07-06-2004, 02:40 PM
I really don't understand what you mean by that. Are you saying I am dismissing the likes of zarqawi?

Kitsune
07-06-2004, 02:47 PM
Well, if you would, it would be wrong. If you don't, everything is fine. ;)

Midav
07-06-2004, 02:52 PM
Well, if you would, it would be wrong. If you don't, everything is fine. ;)

What do you think I was saying from post 1 on...? heh

Kitsune
07-06-2004, 04:41 PM
:lol:

RomanS
07-06-2004, 04:42 PM
@Midav:I just wanted to say, that to dismiss someone as "non-iraqi", or "not representative for Iraqis" just because he is supported by an outside party is not correct. That's it.



PermskiiOMON wrote:

why do you and your Euro friends care so much about USA ? live your live in Europe and be happy.
I live in Europe. And I am happy, thanks. While I not intend to emigrate, I care about the USA because my Uncle is American, I have been there more than a dozen times and I like the country and the people. They are going through a difficult phase now, that's all. ;)

But why do you care about me caring? What about you just living in...Russia...or where ever, being happy (or trying to be, as good as you can, *bon chance*...you may need it) and leaving me alone?


They are going through a difficult phase now,

and what is so difficult please explain...

MEGR
07-06-2004, 04:58 PM
I'm just gonna wait for Argyll.