Is Obama creating a Civil War?

[59Diesel]

Voight: Is Obama creating a civil war in America?

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

A Hollywood conservative has headed East. It's "Freedom Concert" time for Jon Voight. The Academy Award winner will join Sean Hannity in Cincinnati and Atlanta this weekend to honor fallen soldiers and present college scholarships to surviving children. Mr. Voight -- a warrior himself in many ways -- has been cogitating about the state of America, meanwhile.

"There's a real question at stake now. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?" Mr. Voight tells Inside the Beltway.

"We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms. We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can't see this is probably hoping it isn't true. If we permit Mr. Obama to take over all our industries, if we permit him to raise our taxes to support unconstitutional causes, then we will be in default. This great America will become a paralyzed nation."

Be outraged, Mr. Voight advises.

"Do not let the Obama administration fool you with all their cunning Alinsky methods. And if you don't know what that method is, I implore you to get the book 'Rules for Radicals,' by Saul Alinsky . Mr. Obama is very well trained in these methods," he continues, citing a television campaign critical of the Republican Party and contentious town-hall meetings about health care reform.

"The real truth is that the Obama administration is professional at bullying, as we have witnessed with ACORN at work during the presidential campaign. It seems to me they are sending down their bullies to create fist fights among average American citizens who don't want a government-run health care plan forced upon them," Mr. Voight says. "So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/21/inside-the-beltway-68484451/


Awaits the attacks from the Lib's:roll:

[Dominique]

Explain to me how President Obama is "creating a civil war"? And what the hell does this article have to do with it? John Voight, is a decent actor, has a hot daughter, but like most actors, he should stay the hell out of politics.

[pascalywood]

"So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?"

Its not the President who decides if there will be a civilian war but the citizens themself.

[59Diesel]

Explain to me how President Obama is "creating a civil war"? And what the hell does this article have to do with it? John Voight, is a decent actor, has a hot daughter, but like most actors, he should stay the hell out of politics.

Yeah well it's the outlash of the Liberal Actors and Musicians that helped get him voted into this position.

Taking away our freedoms. It's not just him Bush and Clinton also.

As far from belief as it might be it certainly ties in with Obamas vision of a internal security force. It would also be the perfect reaction to No Gun's legislation.

Take it with a grain of salt. Either way it's a interesting article.

[SBL]

Either way it's a interesting article.
Not really, no.

[pascalywood]

Either way it's a interesting article.

Its not, its just an actor giving his opinion.

[59Diesel]

Its not, its just an actor giving his opinion.

Yes it is. While if it was a Liberal actor or musician it would be held for truth. :roll:

[pascalywood]

Yes it is. While if it was a Liberal actor or musician it would be held for truth. :roll:

Not at all, it would still be the same pointless crap.

[SBL]

Yes it is. While if it was a Liberal actor or musician it would be held for truth. :roll:
Dry up, man. Sheesh.

[Dominique]

Yeah well it's the outlash of the Liberal Actors and Musicians that helped get him voted into this position.

As I said, most actors should STFU, and do what they do best, entertain me on film for money. Sean Penn, and his pals do nothing but annoy me.


Taking away our freedoms. It's not just him Bush and Clinton also.

So exactly which freedom has Obama taken from you?


As far from belief as it might be it certainly ties in with Obamas vision of a internal security force. It would also be the perfect reaction to No Gun's legislation.

So which internal security force are you referring to?


Take it with a grain of salt. Either way it's a interesting article.

I take pretty much anything that comes out a politicians, TV talking head, reporter, political pundit, etc. mouth with a grain of salt, as I tend to find most nothing nore than self important, pompous asses.

[Dominique]

Yes it is. While if it was a Liberal actor or musician it would be held for truth. :roll:

Only by those that already buy their line of thinking to begin with. This is nothing more than a "preacher" rallying the faithful, with a sermon.

[Uber-Pig]

Yeah well it's the outlash of the Liberal Actors and Musicians that helped get him voted into this position.

Taking away our freedoms. It's not just him Bush and Clinton also.

As far from belief as it might be it certainly ties in with Obamas vision of a internal security force. It would also be the perfect reaction to No Gun's legislation.

Take it with a grain of salt. Either way it's a interesting article.

I'm sorry to spoil your belief that Obama was only voted in by a liberal Stalinist conspiracy, but the fact is Obama was voted into office by the majority of citizens of the United States of America. The majority of whom are perfectly normal, rational citizens and not the brainwashed simpletons you'd like to portray them as.

Civil War is not and will never be on the horizon, it exists only in the fantasies of a few. What warrants Civil War to you? Of course you will list countless conspiracy theories to make your case, but I have yet to see you present a reasonable answer in any thread.

In a few years, if America does not like how Obama has run the country the people can VOTE TO KICK HIM OUT OF OFFICE. Calls for Civil War are pure folly when we have a nonviolent, rotational system that has proven for hundreds of years to work and shall continue to.

If you care as much about this country as you claim to, then why not become politically active and work towards getting officials into office who you support instead of taking the train to crazy town and ranting about civil war and police states.

I also find it amusing that in your attack on the "liberal actors and musicians" you use an argument made by Jon Voight, himself an ignorant, loudmouthed actor. Right or left, Hollywood actors should not be taken seriously when it comes to politics.

[Universal_Soldier]

Sheesh! Obama creating civil war, death panels and Nazi death camps, BTW he was born in Kenya....:roll::roll::roll:

RIGHT WING PARANOIA !!

[59Diesel]

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.


People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve

Just some few Quotes from Odumbo and his visions. First off lets start about how is against everything this country is supposed to be Free Market. Yes before you ask I complained about Bush and his Bailouts also.

Don't think that Obama has forgotten about another AWB he is just realizing with so many flopped attempts at government control him an his administration is trying. That he will never get it through or will much like the Clinton era be lose control of office.

If he is smart he will wait till he gets a second term to reinstate a AWB.

[59Diesel]

I'm sorry to spoil your belief that Obama was only voted in by a liberal Stalinist conspiracy, but the fact is Obama was voted into office by the majority of citizens of the United States of America, I would venture to say the majority of whom are perfectly normal, rational citizens and not the brainwashed simpletons you'd like to portray them as.


Yes Obama had the votes of these lovely people.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Want more I can continue with the worthless idiots with no self perseverance.

[pascalywood]

Yes Obama had the votes of these lovely people.




While McCain had the votes of those lovely people.

http://www.youtube.com/v/MxOSO07QDNU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/v/qHKFSUcNIKw&feature=fvw

[Dominique]

Just some few Quotes from Odumbo and his visions. First off lets start about how is against everything this country is supposed to be Free Market. Yes before you ask I complained about Bush and his Bailouts also.

Don't think that Obama has forgotten about another AWB he is just realizing with so many flopped attempts at government control him an his administration is trying. That he will never get it through or will much like the Clinton era be lose control of office.

If he is smart he will wait till he gets a second term to reinstate a AWB.

As far as the security force crap goes, I'm not for some sort of parallel paramilitary force running around. But I'm all for beefing up our civil defenses, as they've pretty much gone to sh*t since the end of the cold war.

So let's not even pretend that we've had anything approaching a "free market" for years. The same people crying about "free markets" are the same ones that'll be crying the day the local plant closes up and moves to Asia, to save money. "We" regulate the market to keep it in some sort of balance.

And how exactly did Clinton "loose control of the office" After 8 years, it was time for his happy as to go. Just as at the end of Obama's term, he'll be heading on down the road, to what I'm sure will be plenty of high paying speaking engagements, and book deals.

[Uber-Pig]

Diesel59, I could post videos of "crazy, ignorant redneck Republicans" if I wanted as well. What does it prove? Nothing.

Attack videos like these single out a few moronic individuals and present them as the majority. There are intelligent people, both liberal and conservative, a crazy idea to you no doubt.

You still have yet to respond with any substantive arguments, or even to the rest of my post.

[Dominique]

As far as votes go, both parties had their share or morons cast votes on election day. The simple fact is, Obama won. Senator McCain, graciously accepted his defeated, and got back to doing what the people of the state of Arizona pay him for. Some of you should take lesson.

[JKD]

Just some few Quotes from Odumbo and his visions.

i.e. The Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, The State Department, etc. etc.

[59Diesel]

I'm sorry to spoil your belief that Obama was only voted in by a liberal Stalinist conspiracy, but the fact is Obama was voted into office by the majority of citizens of the United States of America. The majority of whom are perfectly normal, rational citizens and not the brainwashed simpletons you'd like to portray them as.

Many of whom were Brainwashed by the Media Actors /Musicians/ Liberal based news. Who were all brainwashed by that lovely "community organizer" That everything will be great and everything you need will be provided to you with out no cost.

Civil War is not and will likely never be on the horizon, it exists only in the fantasies of a few. What warrants Civil War to you? Of course you will list countless conspiracy theories to make your case, but I have yet to see you present a reasonable answer in any thread.

What theory's you say. I do not believe he was born in Kenya I do not believe in death panels. Or any other crap. Militias are growing Obama is the gun salesman of the year. Many I mean many have stock piled on weapons fearing another AWB and a Civil War.

In a few years, if America does not like how Obama has run the country the people can VOTE TO KICK HIM OUT OF OFFICE. Calls for Civil War are pure folly when we have a nonviolent, rotational system that has proven for hundreds of years to work and shall continue to.

With the way his numbers are declining faster than a roller coaster. I am sure that he will be a 1 term President. He promised a bunch of lies and much like Bush SR. Did when you break those promises many will see you for the liar you are and vote your idiotic ways out.

If you care as much about this country as you claim to, then why not become politically active and work towards getting officials into office who you support instead of taking the train to crazy town and ranting about civil war and police states.

I have helped my locals by passing out signs stickers etc. When it comes to active politics as much as I hear I should run. I have little faith in the system and it's hypocrisy. Crazy train have you seen the world we live in everything is just about crazy.

I also find it amusing that in your attack on the "liberal actors and musicians" you use an argument made by Jon Voight, himself an ignorant, loudmouthed actor. Right or left, Hollywood actors should not be taken seriously when it comes to politics.

See my above post. Pretty much every liberal takes their liberal actor counter parts for truth. I simply put something by Voight who is level headed and atleast knows how the system is supposed to work.




As far as the security force crap goes, I'm not for some sort of parallel paramilitary force running around. But I'm all for beefing up our civil defenses, as they've pretty much gone to sh*t since the end of the cold war.

Yet our recruitment standards have changed. the Local National Guard is only recruiting for 2 MOS's along with the Marines and the stupid outlawing sleeve tattoos. We should do whatever we can to keep people in the Military not drive them away. Or prevent people from being able to join. I remember when my buddy Darin had to go through extensive questions over a straight edge tattoo even though he was no longer straight edge. I mean it's not a Swastika or anything racist.

So let's not even pretend that we've had anything approaching a "free market" for years. The same people crying about "free markets" are the same ones that'll be crying the day the local plant closes up and moves to Asia, to save money. "We" regulate the market to keep it in some sort of balance.

We should regulate the market by allowing tax cuts. Get rid of civil cases for anything. How many companies have left the states due to increasing taxes and people demanding Unions or filing lawsuits against something stupid? I for one support a Free Market if I was to lose my job I would find another one. I would not complain it's life crap happens. Due to Honda manufacturing plant laying off. Tons of people from my town have stormed the National Guard looking to be enlisted. That's what Americans are supposed to do move on find another job start your own business.

And how exactly did Clinton "loose control of the office" After 8 years, it was time for his happy as to go. Just as at the end of Obama's term, he'll be heading on down the road, to what I'm sure will be plenty of high paying speaking engagements, and book deals.

Demon Crats lost control in House and etc. When the AWB happend. Even plenty of Democrats will agree that it was the factor in them losing control.



I hope that answers your questions.

[Panchito12]

Sheesh! Obama creating civil war, death panels and Nazi death camps, BTW he was born in Kenya....:roll::roll::roll:

RIGHT WING PARANOIA !!


I've also heard that he was born in an airliner in the middle of a flight.p-)

[Dominique]

I hope that answers your questions.

Nope, not by a long shot. Lets go item by item.


Yet our recruitment standards have changed. the Local National Guard is only recruiting for 2 MOS's along with the Marines and the stupid outlawing sleeve tattoos. We should do whatever we can to keep people in the Military not drive them away. Or prevent people from being able to join. I remember when my buddy Darin had to go through extensive questions over a straight edge tattoo even though he was no longer straight edge. I mean it's not a Swastika or anything racist.

You made a statement about recruiting standards in the military changing, which they do all the time, exactly what does that have to do with Oboma supposedly being "against everything this country is supposed to be Free Market"?

Next item.



We should regulate the market by allowing tax cuts. Get rid of civil cases for anything. How many companies have left the states due to increasing taxes and people demanding Unions or filing lawsuits against something stupid? I for one support a Free Market if I was to lose my job I would find another one. I would not complain it's life crap happens. Due to Honda manufacturing plant laying off. Tons of people from my town have stormed the National Guard looking to be enlisted. That's what Americans are supposed to do move on find another job start your own business.

If you want a truly free market, that means the would be absolutely NO government interference in the work place, so companies wouldn't have to bother with silly little things like overtime, safe work place laws, anti-monopoly laws (hey nothing like one company controlling everything and charging what they want, after all it's a free market). You ready for that?

And finally.


Demon Crats lost control in House and etc. When the AWB happend. Even plenty of Democrats will agree that it was the factor in them losing control.

How does the democratic party loosing control of Congress equate to Wild Bill loosing control of the Presidency? And I love how you literally demonized all Democrats, I'm sure all the Democrats, buried in our military cemeteries, thank you form the bottom of their hearts.

[KB]

Jon Voight is out of his f*cking mind.

We elect the first President of non-European ancestry (44 years after passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965) and President Obama is launching us into a civil war? The same Barack Obama who is taking heat from the left wing of the Democrat Party for his continued efforts to work with Republicans in Congress?

If anything, the US will erupt into civil war when some whack job shoots the President, which given the wild rhetoric these days is more and more a distinct possibility.

[Universal_Soldier]

I've also heard that he was born in an airliner in the middle of a flight.p-)

From Mombasa to Nairobi roflroflrofl

Panchito is never at loss for words.

[DC5dude]

All you liberal-minded lemmings flip the **** out when you read this but don't take the time to consider how obserd all the **** was that people said about Bush.

[59Diesel]

Jon Voight is out of his f*cking mind.

We elect the first President of non-European ancestry (44 years after passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965) and President Obama is launching us into a civil war? The same Barack Obama who is taking heat from the left wing of the Democrat Party for his continued efforts to work with Republicans in Congress?

If anything, the US will erupt into civil war when some whack job shoots the President, which given the wild rhetoric these days is more and more a distinct possibility.


Voight is level headed and used to be a Liberal Hippy that saw the light.

What does Obama's ancestry have to do with this. Last time I checked he's half white. So hes still got European ancestry correct?

Quite possible. Which I'm sure the Extemist Liberals will draw first blood by blowing up a mink farm and recruitment center etc.

[Dominique]

All you liberal-minded lemmings flip the **** out when you read this but don't take the time to consider how obserd all the **** was that people said about Bush.

I defended Bush when people made dumbass comments (Everything from Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand, to he was responsible for Hurricane Katrina), and I'll do the same for Obama. When they post tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, racist comments, make idiots of themselves, or flat out lies, I'm going to call them on it. When someone actually posts well thought out, and researched comments, I'm more than willing to listen to them.

[NUCKINFUTS]

59Diesel you know better than to argue with these guys, I learned my lesson a long time ago to not argue with anyone on this forum because I will never be right, which is the reason I just read the article and the awesome comments and go on my way.

[Hollis]

All you liberal-minded lemmings flip the **** out when you read this but don't take the time to consider how obserd all the **** was that people said about Bush.


Take a chill pill, the enemy is not here.

[Hollis]

59Diesel you know better than to argue with these guys, I learned my lesson a long time ago to not argue with anyone on this forum because I will never be right, which is the reason I just read the article and the awesome comments and go on my way.


Maybe educate yourself. Also whining does not make you look 19, but much younger. or........... did you miss your nappy time?

[nullterm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Want more I can continue with the worthless idiots with no self perseverance.

Stuff like that does make me want to move to Mars. But you can find idiots pretty much anywhere aligned with anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo

[Dominique]

59Diesel you know better than to argue with these guys, I learned my lesson a long time ago to not argue with anyone on this forum because I will never be right, which is the reason I just read the article and the awesome comments and go on my way.

Or it could be that you couldn't hang when people actually confronted you with facts, and/or well thought out arguments, so you chose to take your little red wagon and go home. The fact is, that MP.net welcome opinions, including those that differ from the majority, what they don't tolerate is laziness and ignorance. There are many long time board members who's opinions are polar opposites of my posts, yet they continue to post hear, and in many cases I, and others value their input on a subject. But unlike many of you, they actually know how to put forth a well placed argument, and to just regurgitate what they've heard elsewhere.

[pascalywood]

roflrofl Man I cant wait for my stappler to be legalized

[NUCKINFUTS]

Maybe educate yourself. Also whining does not make you look 19, but much younger. or........... did you miss your nappy time?

Actually, I am 16, I joined the this forum because of all the incredible military minds such as yourself and others so I could learn a few things to challenge anti-Americans on YouTube and have a military history advantage over my peers in school.

[pascalywood]

Actually, I am 16, I joined the this forum because of all the incredible military minds such as yourself and others so I could learn a few things to challenge anti-Americans on YouTube and have a military history advantage over my peers in school.

You do realize how pointless this is? Unless you were sarcastic?

[NUCKINFUTS]

Or it could be that you couldn't hang when people actually confronted you with facts, and/or well thought out arguments, so you chose to take your little red wagon and go home. The fact is, that MP.net welcome opinions, including those that differ from the majority, what they don't tolerate is laziness and ignorance. There are many long time board members who's opinions are polar opposites of my posts, yet they continue to post hear, and in many cases I, and others value their input on a subject. But unlike many of you, they actually know how to put forth a well placed argument, and to just regurgitate what they've heard elsewhere.

Exactly, I am not the person that first joined this forum a few months ago, I understand where you guys are coming from and that's why I choose to just listen and learn. As I said, I am only 16, I don't know sh!t.

[Dominique]

Exactly, I am not the person that first joined this forum a few months ago, I understand where you guys are coming from and that's why I choose to just listen and learn. As I said, I am only 16, I don't know sh!t.

Why in the hell is your age listed as 19 then?

[Uber-Pig]

Actually, I am 16, I joined the this forum because of all the incredible military minds such as yourself and others so I could learn a few things to challenge anti-Americans on YouTube and have a military history advantage over my peers in school.


Even posting, much less arguing on youtube, is never worth your time. The comments section on that place is the largest cesspool of stupidity the world has ever known. Save yourself the time and anger.

EDIT: Pascal beat me to it.

[NUCKINFUTS]

You do realize how pointless this is? Unless you were sarcastic?

I don't see how it's pointless, I think I have the right to defend our soldiers who are being called murderers by illiterates who have nothing better to do than hate.

[Johnny_H02]

Jesus a civil war? .....I can't believe I'm reading that, seriously we have to stop giving the Glenn Beck's of the media the attention they desire. Not all right wingers are Beck 'followers' nor are all Liberals Obamafanatics. Morons are on the fringes of both sides and it seems like the press and the media like to focus on that fringe and create wider discourse.

Civil war? Christ almighty. Will the sane Americans please take their media and press back plz?

Signed,
Your Concerned Neighbor to the North.

[NUCKINFUTS]

Why in the hell is your age listed as 19 then?

I was afraid my age would get me banned

[CG51]

A Civil War? What sides are there?

[nullterm]

http://www.stingergames.com/junk/forum/someone-wrong-on-internet.jpg.png

Eventually you learn that there's more wrong out there than there is time to right it. Good on ya for making a go of it though.

[Hollis]

Actually, I am 16, I joined the this forum because of all the incredible military minds such as yourself and others so I could learn a few things to challenge anti-Americans on YouTube and have a military history advantage over my peers in school.


You get extra from me on your reply, very well done.

From the left wing, we are accused of being right wing fruit cakes.

From the right win, we are accused of being left wing fruit cakes.

Important aspect is to think for yourself even thought you may not hold the popular opinion. Partisan politics have been going on for a long time. Right now it is Obama turn in the barrel. The hard part is to sort it all out.

Some how I still think, the truth will prevail. It is not a issue of proving I am wrong or right, it is what is the facts. The lack of facts/information will or can lead a person to a false conclusion. I think most Americans probably agree on many issues, except it is partisan politics that divides up. Right wing and left wing is more names to force most of us into one gang or another, for this political gang war. Disunity is our biggest curse as a people, IMHO. Right now it is either you are a Obama-ite or a anti-Obama-ite not much difference than with Bush.

Basically, I am a American first, A dad second, a husband third, some where down the list is my political affiliation. For those who are wrapped up in partisan politics their political affiliations comes some where near first place or is first place.

[Dominique]

A Civil War? What sides are there?

Extreme Right Wing idiots vs. Extreme Left Wing idiots, I'm hoping they kill each other off so as not to containment the gene pool with their brands of asshattery.

[nullterm]

A Civil War? What sides are there?

In sports it's usually light and dark... but... hmm.. yeah... maybe not.

Blue and Red, how's that sound?

[59Diesel]

A Civil War? What sides are there?

Conservatives and Demon Crats and the Independents like me will choose their sides.

[CG51]

Extreme Right Wing idiots vs. Extreme Left Wing idiots, I'm hoping they kill each other off so as not to containment the gene pool with their brands of asshattery.

Sounds good to me, more space on the freeway.

[Dominique]

Conservatives and Demon Crats and the Independents like me will choose their sides.

Hmmm...lets guess who you favor. :roll:

[budgie]

Explain to me how President Obama is "creating a civil war"? And what the hell does this article have to do with it? John Voight, is a decent actor, has a hot daughter, but like most actors, he should stay the hell out of politics.

I don't mind actors voicing political positions in public, as long as they're informed and insightful. Both sides have failed at times to do this. See Mr Voight above.

However a civil war? That's just the gun-**** fantasy of the extreme right. After all who has the higher percentage of gun-owners? In a left-right civil war guess who they expect to win?

It's just gheyness inspired by the Birther 'movement' and fueled by the Gunsers at Townhall Meetings 'movement'.

A civil war over whether healthcare shoudl be public? Jesus, Canada, Australasia and Europe would have something to laugh about...

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Conservatives and Demon Crats and the Independents like me will choose their sides.

Pathetic, childish names really do highlight the validity and depth of your points though.

[59Diesel]

Hmmm...lets guess who you favor. :roll:

Should you guess. I don't favor them half the time. Why I left the Republican Party and became Independent. I got tired of the Hypocrisy and pushing away from what conservatives used to be.

Yes to many's surprise I am independent. I won't deal the Hypocrisy of both parties.

[Dominique]

A civil war over whether healthcare shoudl be public? Jesus, Canada, Australasia and Europe would have something to laugh about...

Although I think the French would enjoy it.

[59Diesel]

A civil war over whether healthcare shoudl be public? Jesus, Canada, Australasia and Europe would have something to laugh about...

1. We have public systems medicare/medicaid
2. health care is not a right.
3. If they want the Government to run health care I truly want them to go to the local VA (WPAFB only treatment I seen with a nice facilities worth while)
4. Let them laugh like their system isn't flawed. Bunch of Canadians here is America right now due to Cancer.

[muttbutt]

Conservatives and Demon Crats and the Independents like me will choose their sides.
Reading your posts I find I'm asking myself, at 25 would I use the term "demon crats" to belittle a political party not of my choosing..........the answer I keep coming up with is no, as it would make me look like an immature child......that is all.



Vote monster raving loony party for another 5 years of fun and safe government wah wah.

[muttbutt]

1. We have public systems medicare/medicaid
2. health care is not a right.
3. If they want the Government to run health care I truly want them to go to the local VA (WPAFB only treatment I seen with a nice facilities worth while)
4. Let them laugh like their system isn't flawed. Bunch of Canadians here is America right now due to Cancer.

Is cancer making Canucks migrate south for winter?

[nullterm]

Is cancer making Canucks migrate south for winter?

I didn't get the memo.

[59Diesel]

Reading your posts I find I'm asking myself, at 25 would I use the term "demon crats" to belittle a political party not of my choosing..........the answer I keep coming up with is no, as it would make me look like an immature child......that is all.



Vote monster raving loony party for another 5 years of fun and safe government wah wah.

Cause 95% of the Demon Crats of today have no work ethic and think everything should be provided to them on a silver spoon. I don't care if I sound immature. I have worked for everything I own. I will bash the Republicans also. So yes I will refer to them as Demon Crats cause they are truly useless.

[muttbutt]

I didn't get the memo.
Your out of the loop mate, your not cool enough for cancer.

[Dominique]

Reading your posts I find I'm asking myself, at 25 .

His age seems to have changed in the last day, as it was 24 a few short hours ago. And I'm still waiting to hear which military branch he served in, and where, as he's mentioned the local VFW, and trips to the VA hospital. But, he's been dodging my questions in this thread, and another.

[nullterm]

Your out of the loop mate, your not cool enough for cancer.

I knew I should have started smoking in high school... :-(

[boone]

I knew I should have started smoking in high school... :-(
Be nice and I'll sell you my place in the chemo line-up.

[59Diesel]

Is cancer making Canucks migrate south for winter?

How about the ones the migrate to Ft. Mc Dowell every year to get cancer treatment at the Mayo Clinic. Every year more and more of Canadian Retirees go there.

[muttbutt]

Mr. Voight -- a warrior himself in many ways
Ah what?.....besides Angelina sprouting froth from his ballsack, what has he done exactly for the World?.....is he killing Taliban at the weekends or something?

In what ways is he a warrior, I have a few ideas what that term means, none of them apply to him or most entertainers.

[nullterm]

Be nice and I'll sell you my place in the chemo line-up.

Throw in a trach hole and you got yourself a deal.

[Dominique]

Cause 95% of the Demon Crats of today have no work ethic and think everything should be provided to them on a silver spoon.

They do? And you've got number to back this up? or are you just pulling statements out of your fourth point of contact?


I don't care if I sound immature.

That's apparent.


I have worked for everything I own.

Guess what, so have I and many other on this board, you want a cookie?


So yes I will refer to them as Demon Crats cause they are truly useless.

Guess I better tell all the cops, firefighters, EMS workers, corrections officers, doctors, military personnel, that vote Democratic, to pack it in, because they're not worth a damn. :roll:

[Rilence]

Ah what?.....besides Angelina sprouting froth from his ballsack, what has he done exactly for the World?.....is he killing Taliban at the weekends or something?

In what ways is he a warrior, I have a few ideas what that term means, none of them apply to him or most entertainers.
He's a Republican.

[Hollis]

This threads needs a NSFyB warning, NSFyB, Not safe for your brain, reading it is a known cause for loss of brain cells.


So 59 Diesel what unit where you in.......... Yes this is off topic but the Dom has piqued my interest.

[muttbutt]

How about the ones the migrate to Ft. Mc Dowell every year to get cancer treatment at the Mayo Clinic. Every year more and more of Canadian Retirees go there.
How about the Americans who go to India for surgery.....hey India's health system is better.......

[Andreas]

Cause 95% of the Demon Crats of today have no work ethic and think everything should be provided to them on a silver spoon. I don't care if I sound immature. I have worked for everything I own. I will bash the Republicans also. So yes I will refer to them as Demon Crats cause they are truly useless.

You sound immature and ignorant.

But I guess in your scenario a civil war will be won by walkover, since the demon crats (lol) will be to lazy to pick up arms..

[59Diesel]

His age seems to have changed in the last day, as it was 24 a few short hours ago. And I'm still waiting to hear which military branch he served in, and where, as he's mentioned the local VFW, and trips to the VA hospital. But, he's been dodging my questions in this thread, and another.

I made an honest mistake when I singed up. I choose not to tell you cause simply I do not plaster everything in the open forum. You are more then welcome to join me at the VFW for a beer.

It disgraces me that you will stick up for a President that ditched the Medal Of Honor Ball.

[Dominique]

I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.

[INAT]

While arguing Republican vs.Dem the elite laugh at Americans as we march towards total loss of liberty.And most cannot see it because CNN and FOX tells you what to think.Scary scary stuff. :-(

[Hollis]

I made an honest mistake when I singed up. I choose not to tell you cause simply I do not plaster everything in the open forum. You are more then welcome to join me at the VFW for a beer.

It disgraces me that you will stick up for a President that ditched the Medal Of Honor Ball.


Why don't you just answer the Dom.......... and knock off the BS or dance around or ?????????

[Dominique]

I made an honest mistake when I singed up. I choose not to tell you cause simply I do not plaster everything in the open forum. You are more then welcome to join me at the VFW for a beer.

And you're still ducking my question.


It disgraces me that you will stick up for a President that ditched the Medal Of Honor Ball.

He didn't ditch jack. He hit up several balls that night, and I'll stick up for any sitting President, as long as he's flowing the laws of the land.

[muttbutt]

Cause 95% of the Demon Crats of today have no work ethic and think everything should be provided to them on a silver spoon. I don't care if I sound immature. I have worked for everything I own. I will bash the Republicans also. So yes I will refer to them as Demon Crats cause they are truly useless.

How long have you being working on the obnoxious knowitall routine, you seem to have it down pat.....you own that most certainly.

[nullterm]

How about the ones the migrate to Ft. Mc Dowell every year to get cancer treatment at the Mayo Clinic. Every year more and more of Canadian Retirees go there.

Buddy. It ain't perfect, nothing run by people is: government or corporate. But I've got family that owe our lives to our imperfect system who received timely and effective care. And we're not in debt for the next 30 years because of it. Our only costs were to rent cable TV in the room.

[59Diesel]

And you're still ducking my question.



He didn't ditch jack. He hit up several balls that night, and I'll stick up for any sitting President, as long as he's flowing the laws of the land.

Near Ohio more then Welcome to join me for a beer and we can BS about everything.

He ditched the Medal Of Honor ball cause chilling with that idiot Wanda Sikes was more important to him.

[muttbutt]

You sound immature and ignorant.

But I guess in your scenario a civil war will be won by walkover, since the demon crats (lol) will be to lazy to pick up arms..
Demo **** Cheny will use his superb fighting skills he picked up in Vietnam (those deferments were just a cunning rouse so he could get in country unannounced) with his 5000 NavySEALRangerspaceshuttledoorgunnerninja missions to kill Hitlers martian army, those scummy satanests of the left won't stand a chance.

[SBL]

He ditched the Medal Of Honor ball cause chilling with that idiot Wanda Sikes was more important to him.
Do you have any idea how many inaugural balls are held in DC? Well over 100.

[muttbutt]

Do you have any idea how many inaugural balls there are in DC? Well over 100.Sir I demand you retract your "facts" they have no place here.

[Dominique]

Near Ohio more then Welcome to join me for a beer and we can BS about everything.

You've yet to reply to some rather simple questions. Which branch of the military were you in, for how long, and what did you do? Should be simple to answer, so lets hear. If you don't want made public, shoot me a PM.


He ditched the Medal Of Honor ball cause chilling with that idiot Wanda Sikes was more important to him.

:roll:

[59Diesel]

Buddy. It ain't perfect, nothing run by people is: government or corporate. But I've got family that owe our lives to our imperfect system who received timely and effective care. And we're not in debt for the next 30 years because of it. Our only costs were to rent cable TV in the room.

No nothing is perfect. Yet they want the same administration that flopped the Cash For Clunkers program.

I am a firm believer that you work for what you get. Some people do not get that through their thick skulls. That everything should be provided for them. Did they have health care when we evolved did we have food clinics or anything? No man provided for himself.

[Dominique]

I am a firm believer that you work for what you get.

So am I, as are many others here, but on to other questions. Would you like me to put some music on, with all this tap dancing you're doing?

[kopema]

A Civil War? What sides are there?

A whole bunch of them. The red/blue state maps don't tell you squat. If you look at a map of the United States broken down by precinct, you'll see that support for collectivism is centered very, very heavily on inner city areas. In many of them, the vote was 99% or more Democrat. And bear in mind, that was BEFORE the Daley Machine finished going national.

In the Roman Republic, cities were sources of wealth and commerce. In the later years of Empire, those same cities had become heavy drains on the economy and society in general. It's a popular misconception that some huge mass of foreign invaders did Rome in. The Empire fell apart not so much due to any one particular civil war (Rome had plenty of those), but simply due to its lack of ability to collect taxes. When it was split up, it was apportioned along the lines giving the highest convenience of control, not along any sort of ideological boundaries. By the time of the ultimate collapse, all that was left was a fractious, hollowed-out shell of what had once been. The people producing the wealth simply became ungovernable on such a large scale.

It's perfectly safe to say that the next American revolution won't involve a revived Confederate Army generaled by the likes of John Voight marching in one cardinal direction. And when "Atlas Shrugs," it won't be a handful of geniuses moving to an invisible canyon somewhere. It will be millions of American taxpayers suddenly realizing that the federal government is no longer on their side.

Will there be violence? Of course, there always is. At the end of it, will we have the world's newest Worker's Paradise, or a return to some sort of Jeffersonian Republic? Who knows. All we really know for certain is that when the President, Congress and the Supreme Court have no coherently articulated goal but to "transform" America, that may be the only campaign promise in history that the government absolutely cannot fail to keep.

[nullterm]

No nothing is perfect. Yet they want the same administration that flopped the Cash For Clunkers program.

I am a firm believer that you work for what you get. Some people do not get that through their thick skulls. That everything should be provided for them. Did they have health care when we evolved did we have food clinics or anything? No man provided for himself.

And we provided ourselves as a nation with a healthcare system that looks after the old, the young, the rich, the poor.

A 4 year old who grows up in a poor working class family who hasn't even had a chance at doing something with his life should have the same opportunity as a rich retiree to diagnosis and treatment.

Some guy named Tommy Douglas started it and we all thought it was a great idea. Still is.

Oh BTW, and we still have the right to vote, even with universal healthcare. And own property. And speak our minds without being thrown into a gulag.

[muttbutt]

No nothing is perfect. Yet they want the same administration that flopped the Cash For Clunkers program.

I am a firm believer that you work for what you get. Some people do not get that through their thick skulls. That everything should be provided for them. Did they have health care when we evolved did we have food clinics or anything? No man provided for himself.
Actually yes we did, in most cultures there was a person who would have knowlage of medicinal plants and animal parts they would help the sick and injured (BTW are you seriously saying no health care, your going to give your self a heart transplant if needed?:|)
Food was also shared out socially (theres that nasty root word), the hunters and gathers would share it with the none H/G's it was a social grouping the strong helped the weak of the group, it's what seperated us from most animals baring higher apes and Cetaceans

[deagle]

that idiot voight should run for president. lol.

[wildcat]

well seeing we are talking civil war, hell yeah, I want to be on the side that wears blood diamond pants, so I can look cool.

This thread is pointless, I am with Hollis, how cares about partisan, any body that does, is either dumb, naive, evil, on the pay role, or just to lazy to look at the issues. Facts is all what counts.

There will be no civil war. If there is, it not obama fault, it is all the bushes, clintons, gores, obamas, and all the other elitest pricks that blow out too much carbon breath, with their narcissistic life's.

[muttbutt]

He's online, is he dodging Dom?........

[Universal_Soldier]

Looks like this idiot Voight managed to create a civil war on this thread instead. Nice! p-)

[Henry's Fork]

This thread is pointless.



QFT

Found that out the hard way. doh.

[StukaJr]

The Civil War is quite implausible:

a) Every State has Mc'Donnalds in it and since no two Nations that have McDonnalds in it have gone to war, neither can individual States go to War because of the same clause x2.

b) China. The moment the situation destabilizes into any kind of social disturbance instead of happy Walmart shopping - trillions of US currency floats back from China into US and creates Zimbabwe style inflation. Can't fight a Civil War when a wheelbarrow costs more than the pile of US dollars that fits into it.

c) Some of us have jobs and snopes... and BS meeter.

d) Things have tendency to get a lot worse when gullible masses are distracted from the real problems - for all I care, the end of this decade could be known as prosperity years the way the foundation keeps on rotting :)

[CMNot]

Is Obama creating a Civil War?

One of the dumber things I've read on here. Which is really going some.


c) Some of us have jobs and snopes... and BS meeter.

One of the brighter things I've read on here.

[MichaelF]

It's usually the case that the people (and I use that term with reservations) that "reluctantly" predict a Second Civil War tend to use it as camouflage for....other agendas.

If you are fighting a Civil War to "save America".....well, you can do away with a lot of people under cover of that.

"Collectivists living in urban areas"....mostly Black. Liquidating them in the course of the Patriotic War wouldn't be racist. At all.

Hell, you can send those rich leeches who have more money than you to camps in the desert, and confiscate their houses. For the high crime of having things that you wanted and couldn't get, exacerbated by them saying things you don't like.

I'll bet the sheeple will really respect you when you execute one of the talking heads, live, in his/her studio.

Boy, I bet you could show them all....

Horse****. It's the same BS that the loony fringe of the old Survivalist movement spewed in the 80's. The Soviets were gonna nuke America, these clowns would emerge from their bunkers and round up the women, then be Lord of The Wastelands.

A little less eagerness for killing fellow Americans would be appreciated. You don't like the way the votes play out? Leave. We already had our Civil War, and it was an embarrassing spectacle.

I didn't vote for him, but he's my President. The scaremongering that tends to boil down to "Obama will send black guys with guns to your house and take your daughters" is despicable.

[the_13th_redneck]

So far I think he's done a swell job as President.
The conservatives (especially Republicans) need to find a way to be more constructive than destructive. This sort of stuff only hurts their image. And I can't believe Sean Hannity even gets airtime...

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Sheesh! Obama creating civil war, death panels and Nazi death camps, BTW he was born in Kenya....:roll::roll::roll:

RIGHT WING PARANOIA !!

You forgot about the Barack HUSSEIN Obama bit and his birth certificate ;-):)

[ohdannyboy]

You forgot about the Barack HUSSEIN Obama bit and his birth certificate ;-):)

Exactly. Barak Hussein Obama is a muslim terrorist, a member of Al-Qaeda. He plans to start a civil war to destroy America. He hates freedom!! :)

If a civil war starts in America, I hope Britain (hence the EU) would take back New England. There are a few spots I like there.

[Atlantic Friend]

Although I think the French would enjoy it.

They don't make revolutions like they used to anymore.

Rebelling because of health care and a ditched ball? :|

[Connaught Ranger]

Some people on this thread, credit the current President of the United States Of America with far more power than he actually enjoys.

Where were all these people in the years when the Bush, Clinton, Bush Jnr cluster-****s were going on?:roll:

[RICHICOQUI]

My head hurts after reading this thread!!!

[commanding]

there will not be any "civil war" in this country because of B.O.
He is not trying to instigate one. He just has his political agenda.
The country will survive B.O. and go on to elect others after him. he is just a blip on the screen.

[Breerman]

Horse****. It's the same BS that the loony fringe of the old Survivalist movement spewed in the 80's. The Soviets were gonna nuke America...
Do you somehow find that unlikely? The risk for nuclear war was very real.

[kopema]

Horse****. It's the same BS that the loony fringe of the old Survivalist movement spewed in the 80's. The Soviets were gonna nuke America...

Do you somehow find that unlikely? The risk for nuclear war was very real.

So, what is the thought process - or is that too big of a concept to even apply here?

"Communism has not in fact destroyed the entire earth. Ergo, anyone who thinks it can lead to violence must be insane."

I can say with complete honesty that it is impossible to argue with that sort of logic.

You know that old saying about how a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of liberal minds? I'm sure that perverse inanity is as natural as breathing to some people, but after a certain point you have to suspect they're doing at least some of this on purpose.

[Breerman]

If I get you correctly I think you're arguing with the wrong person

[Universal_Soldier]

Exactly. Barak Hussein Obama is a muslim terrorist, a member of Al-Qaeda. He plans to start a civil war to destroy America. He hates freedom!! :)

If a civil war starts in America, I hope Britain (hence the EU) would take back New England. There are a few spots I like there.

The Celtics, Red Sox and Patriots will leave the NBA, MLB, NFL and Join European League roflroflroflroflroflGreat!!

[budgie]

1. We have public systems medicare/medicaid
2. health care is not a right.
3. If they want the Government to run health care I truly want them to go to the local VA (WPAFB only treatment I seen with a nice facilities worth while)
4. Let them laugh like their system isn't flawed. Bunch of Canadians here is America right now due to Cancer.


Either way dude, it ain't worth pullin' a piece over...

Again the civil war talk is right-wing, gun-nut fantasy because as the people with the most guns, they'd be the winners in said fantasy. Ghey to the core. Over.

[megjur]

So far I think he's done a swell job as President.
The conservatives (especially Republicans) need to find a way to be more constructive than destructive. This sort of stuff only hurts their image. And I can't believe Sean Hannity even gets airtime...

If by "swell" you mean raisning the deficit to astronomic numbers, a huge jump in the number of unemployed and championing the left wing agenda, then yeah..he's done a swell job. Blaming the Republicans is a straw man. The democrats have a big enough majority in both houses of Congress to pass anything they want to. Problem is Obama's policies are too far left for even many democrats.
All that being said, the far right paranoia about him taking everyones guns or other such things is silly. The idea of a creeping socialism however is not.

[CMNot]

4. Let them laugh like their system isn't flawed. Bunch of Canadians here is America right now due to Cancer

Screw healthcare reform, you guys desperately need school reform by the looks of it. Wtf did I just read? Is that even Engrish?

[the_13th_redneck]

If by "swell" you mean raisning the deficit to astronomic numbers, a huge jump in the number of unemployed and championing the left wing agenda, then yeah..he's done a swell job.

Yeah, the country was doing just fine until he showed up and screwed up everything, right? :rolleyes:
Unemployment was expected to get better but you really can't predict those sort of things during a time of economic crisis - which by the way he inherited, not created.
And which left wing agenda is it that you're referring to?
You guys are all the same. You'll follow the Republican party straight into 3rd world obscurity.

[MichaelF]

Do you somehow find that unlikely? The risk for nuclear war was very real.

You didn't read my post.

The nukes weren't the problem (well...), it was the mentality that these people had: looking forward to a collapse, so that they could take advantage of it to get women and authority.

Ditto with the "Civil War's a'comin'!"-crowd.

[megjur]

Yeah, the country was doing just fine until he showed up and screwed up everything, right? :rolleyes:
Unemployment was expected to get better but you really can't predict those sort of things during a time of economic crisis - which by the way he inherited, not created.
And which left wing agenda is it that you're referring to?
You guys are all the same. You'll follow the Republican party straight into 3rd world obscurity.

Look at the economy before the Democrats took congress and after if you want to know when thing started to go downhill. But I guess it's easier to blame Bush. As to left wing it's obvious..cap and trade...government run healthcare. Economic question..how do you spend your way out of a recession? When has Keynsian economics ever worked. Common sense says that this spending will inevitably lead to massive inflation. In the words of Warren Buffet, we're headed towards becoming a banana republic.

[kopema]

Economic question..how do you spend your way out of a recession? When has Keynsian economics ever worked. Common sense says that this spending will inevitably lead to massive inflation. In the words of Warren Buffet, we're headed towards becoming a banana republic.

Keynsian, Shmeynsian.

Try to look at this from the point of view of the average liberal. The only people they know who pay taxes are evil monsters: their bosses; their parole officers; their landlords... All of the petty tyrants who make their lives a living Hell.

In a banana republic, they get to trade all of that for ONE tyrant -- who actually tells them he likes them, which none of the others will ever do. Why wouldn't they take a deal like that?

[sct1886]

Its not the President who decides if there will be a civilian war but the citizens themself.

Your statement is IMOP untrue. The stupid politicians have been manipulating the circumstance that will lead to it shortly. It will only take a few sparks.

[TheOpposition]

I think certain "people" were ready to go cival war just when they found out Obama was black. That alone has made alot of people in this country show thier true colors. So as for all the other B.S it didnt take much. Was never a far fall.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Mr. Voight is only in the early stages of political death anxiety. All people experience it at a certain age when they begin to detect that their political cultural dominance is passing as the chaos that is the reformation of the national will arrives. There’s a significant transition every three or so decades and a huge one every seven or so. We’re currently entering a seventyish year transition. There’s a lot of anger and angst involved as the newly forming national political identity struggles for dominance out of the mess.

I get a laugh how the sides always try so hard to keep the central issue, property rights (more to the point, how you can spend your money), obscured from the masses with so many silly distractions like abortion, health care, crap and tax, religion, brown shirts, astroturfing and such.

Then again, the powers up top know that the closer enough people of each group comes to understand that it’s really all about attaining majority political control over the populations time and effort, the higher the instability becomes and chance for conflict. You better believe civil war can happen anywhere and fast, even in the US. But, I don’t think we are going into one for the next few years. Note: that’s not saying we’ll have one later or not. The probabilities simply don’t allow for reliable prediction. Although, I do see a higher probability of a somewhat 1991 Soviet like redistribution of federal power possible should the debt train run away from them but that’s another story.

The shills and cons of the old paradigms in charge currently clinging to power do not want a civil war. Tell me, how does a civil war in the US benefit them? Wrestling control over the collective mind of this chaotic mass of cultural subgroups within what we call the USA allows one to harness immense wealth. To shatter the nation blasting away your opponent’s nets you only a fraction at terrible risk. No, their interest is in breaking the wildly bucking producing class horse by any means to master its money and ride it to profit for another political cycle or two until the next time they run into an entitlement funding shortage.

Then again, should it ever appear to the powers that be that certain levels of survival are acceptable to maintain a death grip on power or lose it; you can expect war or a 1991 dissolution so fast your head will spin.

And, increasingly over the past couple of decades, they have been using very dangerous, risky tactics that people like Mr. Voight are actually upset about, although, not verbalizing well. The primary tactic that’s subconsciously at the root of all this angst is the coercing of the wealth of others to purchase license to coerce even more wealth. This old tactic, the reaction to ever diminishing productivity returns as entitlements bloat, is terribly bad form and more akin to mafia don’s breaking necks in the dark and stealing money than good leadership. Sure this forceful gamble can work and often has in the short run to coup a stalled legislature and cow a people but the potential price and sacrifice can often be horrendous.

It is most certainly despicably bad form in the eyes of those who can see one group giving license to take wealth for their own benefit. Sure the tactic can work to stuff the Hills seats and force through laws but the diminishing returns eventually results in terrible stress, suffering and often, bloodshed once two opposing poles form a critical mess manifesting during the inevitable periodic financial lock ups. We don’t yet have currently any ideological poles populated enough yet for civil war, although, they are growing in number and desperation.

The Hill is between a rock and a hard place. The various power interests have put a very inexperienced populist demagogue in the executive relying on a risky gamble to sprint into power stacking the Hills odds in their favor by purchasing license from last election cycles winning, but quite overleveraged plurality, with the other minor, and just as desperate, near disenfranchised, population’s savings. The clock is ticking as the middle is watching and picking sides with every tactic each side plays and as the economic and political sh*t storms turn up.

Obama’s got a big economic test coming between late September till November that will be his last chance. You’ll see some real desperate acts till then and once it’s over, his constituency may be howling the civil war threats as Congress erects his cross on Capitol Hill to attempt to nail his (their) sins too. Then again, the Marxist, urban revolutionary pains in the ass are the ones with the real nasty rap sheet of big organized unruly group behavior, not the bitter clingers. God, it’ll be like the damn seventies all over again what with the people’s liberation this or that, or weather dunderheads etc… Sigh

Which leads me to this…

Dominique, I’ve been working on responding to the question “Exactly what is it that the government is doing that you feel you need to take up arms?” you posed on another thread but this related one popped up so I’ll try to answer now.

Mostly, I collect firearms for business and entertainment. I enjoy shooting, hunting and gunsmithing but lately I’ve purchased a few guns, ammunition and other items for defensive purposes. Here’s why…

As stated above, the government is reaching legislative/economic deadlock as the two cultural poles form up, one pole resisting the coercion of wealth from its pockets to purchase license for the other seeking to coerce more wealth from others pockets. As this deadlock intensifies, government degrades, it fails to provide quality services, develops a sort of schizophrenic or arbitrary legal system and many negative elements of society rise to take advantage of the missing justice. Crime increases and less predictable behavior becomes the norm, trust (the glue that holds civilization together) breaks down and the economy stalls under the burden.

People, businesses, organizations, government get ever more desperate for money to stay alive and soon begin to take stupid, abusive risks.

Personally I’ve run into a rapidly increasing number of people gone very bad, therefore, I’ve moved to a more politically, culturally and economically stable location, withdrawn myself from participation in as much as economically feasible so as not to tempt or feed the money hungry beast yoking people into effective debt slavery or openly ripping them off. I’ve gotten extremely active in local politics helping to eject a number of unwanted rival philosophies, criminals and malcontents who do not want to lose the death grip on my/our revenue spigot.

I don’t fear the Federal government, democrat and Republican shills, they are about to face the music of having fought over the national piece of meat like rabid dogs. I’m not worried about my state either and I trust the DOD to do what’s right having served and knowing others still serving. Hell, I trust the DOD more than the DC politicians and there’re a lot of us here feeling this way which bodes quite ill for BOTH parties. The good old boys of government really should have managed finances better and gotten crooks and near-do-wells off the entitlement tit but they didn’t and now it is comming to a head. Locally, many of us are taking the government back little by little using absolutely legal means.

I know the entrenched old cronies here do not like us young upstarts (mostly prior service, fiscally conservative yet socially liberal) muscling in on their piece of political meat and they are pushing back hard in legal and often questionable ways. But the problem were facing is that they have the backing of a huge, wealthy entrenched national power elite giving them the fruits of OUR labors taken by either the direct taxation, or devaluation of the dollar. Worse yet, the more we LEAGALLY push them back, the more they use questionably legal tactics to resist. There has been plenty of what we say is illegal action too but they have the weight of judicial/legislative/media entrenchment against us.

No idiot has gone to climb the bell tower here and the powers that be have yet to blatantly use illegal tactics but we have yet to claim any significant political victory. All of us here are certain this will cause the other side to use desperate tactics or call in outside muscle. Our weapons remind them to stay honest and it is working. They are about pissing in their pants worrying we might kill them all but we won’t unless they openly break the law and the long byzantine legal chain to DC obviously fails to reestablish justice. I simply just don’t see this event happening but should the economy slump a hell of a lot more and the people get desperate, I’m certain some fool will try to get famous starting something. Won’t be me though, not my style.

Our guns are purely defensive insurance here. There is a city somewhat nearby and our very rural location leads to a more self sufficient, personal form of law enforcement when the crime gets stupid enough to pay a visit. Should things go really south in the near future, we don’t plan on just rolling over and taking the abuse.

[kopema]

God, it’ll be like the damn seventies all over again what with the people’s liberation this or that, or weather dunderheads etc… Sigh

Everything's the same. Even the freaking Swine Flue nonpandemic. What's up with that? I feel like I should start investing in bell bottom jeans and tie-dyed shirts.

Actually, there is one huge difference: back then everyone was worried about "mortgaging our children's future!" Well now, guess what? We ARE those children. The federal government has been taxing at a free enterprise rate, and spending at an incrementally Socialist rate for thirty years. And now that the bill's coming due, we're going on a psychotic spending spree.

I think even some of the dumbest people at least vaguely realize what's going on. The mistake a lot of folks make is assuming that this will always continue to happen SLOWLY. There is no rational reason to believe that.

[Dominique]

Dominique, I’ve been working on responding to the question “Exactly what is it that the government is doing that you feel you need to take up arms?” you posed on another thread but this related one popped up so I’ll try to answer now.

Mostly, I collect firearms for business and entertainment. I enjoy shooting, hunting and gunsmithing but lately I’ve purchased a few guns, ammunition and other items for defensive purposes. Here’s why…

As stated above, the government is reaching legislative/economic deadlock as the two cultural poles form up, one pole resisting the coercion of wealth from its pockets to purchase license for the other seeking to coerce more wealth from others pockets. As this deadlock intensifies, government degrades, it fails to provide quality services, develops a sort of schizophrenic or arbitrary legal system and many negative elements of society rise to take advantage of the missing justice. Crime increases and less predictable behavior becomes the norm, trust (the glue that holds civilization together) breaks down and the economy stalls under the burden.

People, businesses, organizations, government get ever more desperate for money to stay alive and soon begin to take stupid, abusive risks.

Personally I’ve run into a rapidly increasing number of people gone very bad, therefore, I’ve moved to a more politically, culturally and economically stable location, withdrawn myself from participation in as much as economically feasible so as not to tempt or feed the money hungry beast yoking people into effective debt slavery or openly ripping them off. I’ve gotten extremely active in local politics helping to eject a number of unwanted rival philosophies, criminals and malcontents who do not want to lose the death grip on my/our revenue spigot.

I don’t fear the Federal government, democrat and Republican shills, they are about to face the music of having fought over the national piece of meat like rabid dogs. I’m not worried about my state either and I trust the DOD to do what’s right having served and knowing others still serving. Hell, I trust the DOD more than the DC politicians and there’re a lot of us here feeling this way which bodes quite ill for BOTH parties. The good old boys of government really should have managed finances better and gotten crooks and near-do-wells off the entitlement tit but they didn’t and now it is comming to a head. Locally, many of us are taking the government back little by little using absolutely legal means.

I know the entrenched old cronies here do not like us young upstarts (mostly prior service, fiscally conservative yet socially liberal) muscling in on their piece of political meat and they are pushing back hard in legal and often questionable ways. But the problem were facing is that they have the backing of a huge, wealthy entrenched national power elite giving them the fruits of OUR labors taken by either the direct taxation, or devaluation of the dollar. Worse yet, the more we LEAGALLY push them back, the more they use questionably legal tactics to resist. There has been plenty of what we say is illegal action too but they have the weight of judicial/legislative/media entrenchment against us.

No idiot has gone to climb the bell tower here and the powers that be have yet to blatantly use illegal tactics but we have yet to claim any significant political victory. All of us here are certain this will cause the other side to use desperate tactics or call in outside muscle. Our weapons remind them to stay honest and it is working. They are about pissing in their pants worrying we might kill them all but we won’t unless they openly break the law and the long byzantine legal chain to DC obviously fails to reestablish justice. I simply just don’t see this event happening but should the economy slump a hell of a lot more and the people get desperate, I’m certain some fool will try to get famous starting something. Won’t be me though, not my style.

Our guns are purely defensive insurance here. There is a city somewhat nearby and our very rural location leads to a more self sufficient, personal form of law enforcement when the crime gets stupid enough to pay a visit. Should things go really south in the near future, we don’t plan on just rolling over and taking the abuse.

For those of you wondering what I meant by a well thought out argument, see the quote above. Do I agree with all of it, no, but I'm far more likely to at least look at his point of view, than I am those posting idiotic statements, fearmongering, and generally making asses of yourselves.

[MichaelF]

BTW: The much-feared "Civilian National Security Force", even if it turned out to be a paramilitary organization (and, by all indications*, it isn't), is about as likely a threat to the average American as the National Guard.

IOW, none.

US Presidents do not have the wherewithal to assemble a Praetorian Guard-esque force. There is simply too much resistance built into the system to allow it. Too many conflicting loyalties (especially considering that the POTUS is here and gone before you know it).

The same reasons that have prevented the Army or Navy from imitating their Turkish and Thai counterparts apply to such an organization.


*-looks like he meant a domestic Peace Corps/Civil Protection organization. Teachers, Nurses and Firefighters, IOW.

[Soldat_Américain]

No state will ever secede from this Union again...we gave too much blood for it the first time. We've given too much blood for it to break apart, and I would do my damndest to keep it whole. And honestly do you think if some nut jobs started a little rebellion of their own they wouldn't be crushed the moment they started attacking anything.

John Voight should just find some chick and produce another Angelina and continue to act...and keep out of politics since he seems ill-informed.