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Holmes85
08-23-2009, 08:25 PM
This story comes from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090823/ap_on_go_ot/us_social_security_smaller_checks


By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer – 9 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Millions of older people face shrinking Social Security checks next year, the first time in a generation that payments would not rise. The trustees who oversee Social Security are projecting there won't be a cost of living adjustment (COLA) for the next two years. That hasn't happened since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.

By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down. Nevertheless, monthly payments would drop for millions of people in the Medicare prescription drug program because the premiums, which often are deducted from Social Security payments, are scheduled to go up slightly. "I will promise you, they count on that COLA," said Barbara Kennelly, a former Democratic congresswoman from Connecticut who now heads the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. "To some people, it might not be a big deal. But to seniors, especially with their health care costs, it is a big deal."

Cost of living adjustments are pegged to inflation, which has been negative this year, largely because energy prices are below 2008 levels. Advocates say older people still face higher prices because they spend a disproportionate amount of their income on health care, where costs rise faster than inflation. Many also have suffered from declining home values and shrinking stock portfolios just as they are relying on those assets for income. "For many elderly, they don't feel that inflation is low because their expenses are still going up," said David Certner, legislative policy director for AARP. "Anyone who has savings and investments has seen some serious losses."

About 50 million retired and disabled Americans receive Social Security benefits. The average monthly benefit for retirees is $1,153 this year. All beneficiaries received a 5.8 percent increase in January, the largest since 1982. More than 32 million people are in the Medicare prescription drug program. Average monthly premiums are set to go from $28 this year to $30 next year, though they vary by plan. About 6 million people in the program have premiums deducted from their monthly Social Security payments, according to the Social Security Administration.

Millions of people with Medicare Part B coverage for doctors' visits also have their premiums deducted from Social Security payments. Part B premiums are expected to rise as well. But under the law, the increase cannot be larger than the increase in Social Security benefits for most recipients. There is no such hold-harmless provision for drug premiums. Kennelly's group wants Congress to increase Social Security benefits next year, even though the formula doesn't call for it. She would like to see either a 1 percent increase in monthly payments or a one-time payment of $150. The cost of a one-time payment, a little less than $8 billion, could be covered by increasing the amount of income subjected to Social Security taxes, Kennelly said. Workers only pay Social Security taxes on the first $106,800 of income, a limit that rises each year with the average national wage. But the limit only increases if monthly benefits increase.

Critics argue that Social Security recipients shouldn't get an increase when inflation is negative. They note that recipients got a big increase in January — after energy prices had started to fall. They also note that Social Security recipients received one-time $250 payments in the spring as part of the government's economic stimulus package.

Consumer prices are down from 2008 levels, giving Social Security recipients more purchasing power, even if their benefits stay the same, said Andrew G. Biggs, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank. "Seniors may perceive that they are being hurt because there is no COLA, but they are in fact not getting hurt," Biggs said. "Congress has to be able to tell people they are not getting everything they want." Social Security is also facing long-term financial problems. The retirement program is projected to start paying out more money than it receives in 2016. Without changes, the retirement fund will be depleted in 2037, according to the Social Security trustees' annual report this year.

President Barack Obama has said he would like tackle Social Security next year, after Congress finishes work on health care, climate change and new financial regulations. Lawmakers are preoccupied by health care, making it difficult to address other tough issues. Advocates for older people hope their efforts will get a boost in October, when the Social Security Administration officially announces that there will not be an increase in benefits next year. "I think a lot of seniors do not know what's coming down the pike, and I believe that when they hear that, they're going to be upset," said Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont who is working on a proposal for one-time payments for Social Security recipients. "It is my view that seniors are going to need help this year, and it would not be acceptable for Congress to simply turn its back," he said.


This doesn't look good.

maurice
08-23-2009, 08:27 PM
what else is new

CG51
08-23-2009, 10:39 PM
Join the club.

They have to do something. There are some people that are depending on SS being there when they retire as they have paid into the system for 20 + years. Individually the raise is not that much anyway but collectively it will save billions for the Federal government.

Billions that they should keep in SS instead of squandering it like Bush did his first 100 days in office giving people $300 rebate checks and later spending on the current wars.

mdkoh
08-23-2009, 11:03 PM
isn't Social Security put into a trust fund and is not to be touched to secure the prosperity of those who pay into it? Oh!! Wait!! Thats a fairy tale we were taught to believe.

grenadier07
08-23-2009, 11:40 PM
At least they're getting their money. Being 26 I doubt if I'll get a return on my "investment."

FullMetalJackass
08-23-2009, 11:57 PM
SS was never setup to be successful, just like other government entitlement programs. The people involved in this ponzi scheme make that madhoff guy look like a small time liquor store thief.

Holmes85
08-23-2009, 11:59 PM
At least they're getting their money. Being 26 I doubt if I'll get a return on my "investment."

Yeah, maybe us young folks should stop paying into it.p-)

L8apex
08-24-2009, 12:29 AM
Change you can count on. I find it amusing that the Senate and Congress totally controlled by the Democats got their raises.

What is wrong with this picture? If we can't keep pace with funding Social Security, how are we going to fund a healthcare program that has 46 million people who pay nothing into it? I guess we just keep printing money we dont have.

CG51
08-24-2009, 12:52 AM
Yeah, keep printing money. We are starting to look like the bums on the corner. Pretty soon other countries will get tired of propping us up.

XShipRider
08-24-2009, 07:44 AM
Change you can count on. I find it amusing that the Senate and Congress totally controlled by the Democats got their raises.

What is wrong with this picture? If we can't keep pace with funding Social Security, how are we going to fund a healthcare program that has 46 million people who pay nothing into it? I guess we just keep printing money we dont have.

Not to worry, our Congress has their own health care plan which is exempt from any change they may execute for the rest of us. As for raises, they're automatic unless they vote not to take it. Don't you wish you had that kind of "control" over your raises?

Flagg
08-24-2009, 08:36 AM
While there are clearly some segments of the US population that have and will continue to benefit in a disproportionate way, there is a fast growing percentage that will be short changed.

At the moment the US is suffering from disinflation...the process where high inflation is temporarily disrupted...and some of the inflation component of product/service pricing is temporarily given back.

Where SS recipients/dependents get screwed is in Consumer Price Index(CPI) statistics.

CPI is a basket of common goods and services supposedly offering a cross section of pricing to determine inflation.

CPI is used to help determine Cost Of Living Allowance(COLA).

If inflation really is 10% and the CPI calculates at 10% and COLA calculates at 10% it's all good......SS recipients/dependents neither get harmed by, nor benefit from inflation.


The problem is some bastards figured out that if you use a $4 dollar word like "heuristics" you can fcuk over, financially rape, and lie to the citizens they supposedly serve.

Sort of like what Joe Pesci says in Lethal Weapon 2 "They fcuk you at the drivethru! They FCUK you at the drivethru!"

In this case the government that adjusts CPI to make the numbers say what they want is the drivethru.

Here's an example:

Inflation is 10%

But CPI is only 4%

The difference is because of "heuristics".

Heuristics is an ancient Samarian word that translates roughly into "pure uncut bullsh!t".

That means some fcukwit supposedly claims with a straight face that meat prices have gone up 20%, so meat is taken out of the CPI basket because meat is murder and will clog your intestines. So it's better to eat Romin Noodles instead.....it really has nothing to do with the fact you can't afford to buy meat anymore...that's irrelevant.

The price of gasoline has doubled, but since you were heuristically laid off last month you don't need to go to work anymore so that reduces the CPI.

Your electric, cable, and natural gas bills have spiked 30%, but since you ran out of money and got cut off and are living in the dark, the hueristic adjustment shows a reduction in this category of CPI.

The best part is that since your $9 Made in China toaster makes toast 70% faster you are now a 94% more productive trying to find a paying job...that has a big impact on CPI keeping inflation low.

Cheese is now eleveteen dollars a pound, but cows fart and Al Gore don't like that so it's been replaced with Heuristic Cheez in a can at only .49c...an eleventeen hundred percent reduction in food inflation.

So while in reality real things have gone up 10%, the CPI bullsh!t numbers say it's really only gone up 4%.

That way government can print money for free and screw you out of your cut.

Unemployment numbers are even better........you're no longer unemployed...you've stopped looking for work and are now "retired"...we wouldn't want folks printing real unemployment figures based on 70's, 80's, or even 90's criteria...that would make government look bad!

Unfortunately, this is nothing...wait until inflation cranks again.....SS recipients are going to have their bennies seriously chipped away going forward....this is the easy part. :|

Nano
08-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Bernie Madoff could have taken a few lessons from the people in the SS maybe he could have gotten away with it like the good people who sold to us the SS idea decades ago. Frankly people should be free to choose in the land of the free to opt out of this ponzi scheme. This is just the tip of it all a couple decades more the SS is going to be chewing up the bones of the dead for revenue.
The reason I believe that economic figures will be skewed for the rest of our lives is because of inflation figures and exactly what Flagg pointed out so candidly. In a sense we maybe officially out of this recession sometime in the next couple of quarters, but factually all bs aside we probably just entered another bubble possibly one that will become overinflated to the point of popping in a few years dependant upon the level of microing that the Fed and the con men do.