Canadian soldiers could be getting new duds.

[Bulletproof]

OTTAWA -- Canadian soldiers could be getting new duds.

The defence department is seeking a firm to redesign the digitized camouflage pattern splayed over the combat fatigues worn by troops. The department says the makeover is necessary to give soldiers deployed to war zones like Afghanistan an edge.

"As the Canadian Forces undertake new missions in new environments there continues to be an ongoing assessment of techniques for improved camouflage and concealment so as to increase the advantage of the Canadian soldier," says a request for proposals issued yesterday.

Canadian troops wear a computer-generated pixilated pattern, called the Canadian disruptive pattern.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/09/09/10798626-sun.html

I just hope it won't be a total waste of money.

[Alpheus]

Is there something wrong with the arid CADPAT?

[boone]

I just hope it won't be a total waste of money.
Wish in one hand and.....

[shiftypowpow]

Is there something wrong with the arid CADPAT?



Could it be that they are just adding a new type. Arctic maybe make sense with the expanding up north

[simple jumper]

What ever it is, it'll take 16 years before it ever sees the light of day.

[gnrbaileyd]

Believe this may be referring to the hybrid (under armour) uniform shirts being tested in theatre shortly.

[Hispeed1]

Believe this may be referring to the hybrid (under armour) uniform shirts being tested in theatre shortly.

"Hybrid" shirts-you mean like the US Army Massif combat shirt or the USMC FROG shirt? Good if it is-I thought you guys caught the Multicam sickness...

[Roy Batty]

For F*ck sake. Cant we find better places to blow our mil budget ????? rofl

[breki]

What are we going to do with all the CADPAT boots now?

[TOWguy]

What are we going to do with all the CADPAT boots now?
Do you actually own a pair?

[Shift Disturber]

How about we start with the Tac Vest, or body armour, or tanks, or the F-18's, or the Sea Kings, or the C7... or anything that needs SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO BE FIXED, UPDATED, OR OUTRIGHT REPLACED!!!

[Roy Batty]

How about we start with the Tac Vest, or body armour, or tanks, or the F-18's, or the Sea Kings, or the C7... or anything that needs SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO BE FIXED, UPDATED, OR OUTRIGHT REPLACED!!!

Tac vest is already in the pipe.........and besides the optics, whats wrong with the C7/C8?....and ummm, we have Leo 2s right?...and the SeaKings are being replaced by the Cyclones aren't they (although that could stand to be speeded up).....

[Bulletproof]

Tac vests? Pff! 4 mags is plenty of firepower.

[breki]

Do you actually own a pair?

Nope. I saw my Brigade Comd wearing them a couple weeks ago. I don't know what that was about.

[Pete031]

If we get multi cam I am getting the **** out.

[Roy Batty]

I say we go retro............Tiger Stripe :D

[Pete031]

The desert tiger stripe that some of the dudes were wearing over there looked sharp.

[pAt]

For F*ck sake. Cant we find better places to blow our mil budget ????? rofl

lol if you know the military enough youd know they love to blow money on useless sh*t

[Karaahmetoglu]

lol if you know the military enough youd know they love to blow money on useless sh*t


I think there is no one else on this forum that knows more about the Canadian Armed Forces then Canadian Sig.

[breki]

Maybe we will go back to the plain olive uniforms. Anyway, I recently read a CANLANDGEN that details alot of stuff that the Army was testing out. Quite an extensive list but new combats wasn't on it. Tac vests was...

[Bacon]

Need new modular flak vests.

I also thought the article was talking about the new hybrid shirts but I re-read the article and it clearly states "to redesign the digitized camouflage pattern".

And as Sig has mentioned, new tac vests are already in the works.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I was at a Military surplus store here in Edmonton (wondering if the Guy would like Turkish camo), and the Guy ahead of me in the line was buying a tactical vest I am not too sure but I heard a guy saying he was in the Army, and he was buying it? I could be wrong too, I might of just heard things.

[goat89]

The desert tiger stripe that some of the dudes were wearing over there looked sharp.
Have to agree. The initial S'pore contingent over there were wearing those and to my surprise, looked better than I thought!

[Karaahmetoglu]

Have to agree. The initial S'pore contingent over there were wearing those and to my surprise, looked better than I thought!

??? Pics please

[Johnny_H02]

Maybe we will go back to the plain olive uniforms. Anyway, I recently read a CANLANDGEN that details alot of stuff that the Army was testing out. Quite an extensive list but new combats wasn't on it. Tac vests was...

I have a old Bush combat jacket, stamped 1959. Its the most comfortable jacket I own.

[Red_Fern]

Flaks? Does the CDF not have vests with ballistic plates as well?

Forgive my ignorance if I am wrong... I don't know too much of the CDF. rofl

But what's wrong with CADPAT?

[Alpheus]

Flaks? Does the CDF not have vests with ballistic plates as well?

Forgive my ignorance if I am wrong... I don't know too much of the CDF. rofl

But what's wrong with CADPAT?

Yes, we have ballistic inserts, although the soft armor is made from Zylon and that stuff is iffy IIRC. And it's just CF, Canadian Forces.

[boone]

I think there is no one else on this forum that knows more about the Canadian Armed Forces then Canadian Sig.
I think Sig is one of those peace-loving hippies from BC.
What could he know?

[Karaahmetoglu]

I think Sig is one of those peace-loving hippies from BC.
What could he know?


Looks may be deceiving, boone I am shocked you of all people should know that.

[EStrike101]

Does that mean they are giving "old" CADPAT to cadets...oh no..

[click]

Is there something wrong with the arid CADPAT?

My thoughts exactly. It is a very good pattern

[trunk_munkey28]

Well, I know that the idea has been tossed around to slightly change the TW pattern to make it slightly more effective; more brown, less black.
Maybe we'll see something like the new Brit DPM? A hybrid of TW and AR Cadpat.
Arctic makes a lot of sense too.

I'll echo Sig's statement, if we get Multiscam, I'm gone.
And yeah, Cadpat boots, I'm out too.

[California Joe]

CADPAT works pretty damned good down here in the woods in Vermont, so feel free to send some surplus down here when they give you new duds...

[Sneeker]

How about we start with the Tac Vest, or body armour, or tanks, or the F-18's, or the Sea Kings, or the C7... or anything that needs SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO BE FIXED, UPDATED, OR OUTRIGHT REPLACED!!!


CF-18 just went threw / are in the process of being upgraded, one hell of an upgrade to I might add.

[-[Crosshair]-]

I heard that they want to design new tactical vests next year and I just volunteered yesterday to test some new helmets and new suspension system for 'em...

Never heard talks of new camo until now, though. I really really love CADPAT and it would break my heart if we actually get to wear something else. Some guys overseas have already been wearing the OTW shirts that you can buy from http://www.cpgear.com for a while, hopefully a shirt similar to that one is what they meant by new camo because they are pretty damn rad to wear.

[Red_Fern]

Maybe we'll see something like the new Brit DPM? A hybrid of TW and AR Cadpat.
Arctic makes a lot of sense too.

And yeah, Cadpat boots, I'm out too.

When you reference new Brit DPM are you talking about the "arid" pattern that has the green and almost pinkish/brown colours on a tan background?
That is a neat pattern, from what I've seen so far.

Looked up the CADPAT boots... and I have to say...pretty ghey. Solid coloured boots look way better with that (or any) pattern, in my opinion.

[Pete031]

-;4401709']I heard that they want to design new tactical vests next year and I just volunteered yesterday to test some new helmets and new suspension system for 'em...

Just wondering, how many guys in your trade are trialing the new helmet?

[Roy Batty]

We should get Air Force clerks to trial them (like we do with all our field kit :roll: )

[Bacon]

We should get Air Force clerks to trial them (like we do with all our field kit :roll: )

Haha, Im wondering who's the genius that settled on the foregrip and ambi charging handle.

Any idea on what the new helmet is?

PS

I expect you to post some hotties for your belated 8k posts.

[Alpheus]

Holy crap. I just gotta say, joined Oct 2002 and you have 26 posts?

Sir, I salute you.

[kinney_bmx]

God I hate when people get a avatar that I'm used to somebody else using, but now I forgot who had his avatar just like a week ago. Thats almost as bad as when somebody who had a avatar for like a year changes it.

On Topic now, Cadpat looks good, works well, but I guess I can understand why they might need a new pattern for some spots of Afg.
I just really hope you guys dont pick up that stupid Multicam ****

[Soldat_Américain]

Well this is from that other website I frequent a lot:

Canada Seeks Tools to Develop New Camo

Earlier this week the Canadian Department of National Defence (DND) issued a Request for Proposals for “Review and Development of Camouflage Pattern Generation for the Visual Spectrum” with the work to last through March 2012. So what exactly does that mean? To translate, they are looking for a set of software tools to rapidly prototype camo patterns.

Title:
Review and Development of Camouflage Pattern Generation for the Visual Spectrum
Objective:
The objective of the work is to develop a gallery of tools for Defense Research and Development Canada (DRDC) that will be used within the Canadian Dept of National Defence (DND) to synthesize new camouflage patterns in accordance with important aspects of the human visual system and a collection of environment-specific imagery.
Scope of the Work:
The scope of work pertains to the development of algorithms for the synthesis and evaluation of camouflage patterns. An image processing term related to the development of camouflage patterns is “colour texture synthesis”. Camouflage patterns produced as part of the work must be effective in the visible spectrum for use on stationary targets against unaided human observers (i.e. without the aid of vision or detection enhancing devices). The outcome of the work include: 1) an interpretive review on the current “state-of-the-art” methodologies and techniques for the synthesis and evaluation of camouflage patterns and 2) a gallery of algorithms for the synthesis and evaluation of camouflage patterns. The Contractor is to conduct
the work in 5 phases.

So what’s the intent here? Keeping up with the Jones’? MARPAT and UCP are both close cousins to CADPAT. Perhaps our recent preoccupation with camouflage is rubbing off on our friends north of the border. Do the Canadians feel the need to tweak the colorways or perhaps develop entirely new patterns? Similar to the USMC’s MARPAT, CADPAT currently comes in two flavors; Temperate Woodland, a verdant variation for jungle and other lush areas and Arid Regions produced with a combination of brown shades for desert use. Interestingly, just over a year ago, in the US, the Marine Corps Systems Command awarded Timothy R. O’Neil a sole source contract for just under $31k for the “development and testing of an improved Marine Corps camouflage measure for individual clothing and equipment”. Timothy R. O’Neil is said to have been involved in the development of CADPAT and has partnered with the Canadian company HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp. Perhaps they will be contenders for this new work.
http://soldiersystems.net/2009/09/10/canada-seeks-improved-camo-pattern/

[Bacon]

Hyperstealth? Hope it's not related to Guy Cramer.

Well as long as its improving the pattern, I dont see a problem with it...as long as it's done properly.

The pattern has had minor changes since its first inception anyways.

[trunk_munkey28]

^^ Agreed. The more I think about it the more improvements I could see. Ideally, they could just reverse the black and brown in the pattern; I think that TW CADPAT as it is, is too dark for a lot of use, especially on the prairies.
The OTW Shirts seems pretty slick, I was pretty jealous of the Ghurka's we worked with and their combat shirts. I'd be down for that as a field dress.
Our normal shirts could be slightly updated as far a cut, comfort, and utility is concerned. Pockets moved, etc.
All in all, however, I wouldn't wear any other pattern as it stands.

[Bacon]

I'd like to see mandarin type collar...but thats just me talking.

I'd also like to try something out with integrated pads that you can slip in the knees and etc. But I have no experience with that setup to know about the cons or pros.

[SE7ENSIX]

I don't understand why everyone doesn't use those camo systems from those Predator movies. Seems like they would work well. Are they patented by a National Army? Is that why you don't see armies using them? I think Canada should buy those suits.

F#ck man, CADPAT is pretty good, especially ARID, works well (how can we complain when we aren't the ones wearing ACU). Regardless, I'm gonna be wearing a big red jacket in a month anyways

[trunk_munkey28]

I'd like to see mandarin type collar...but thats just me talking.

I'd also like to try something out with integrated pads that you can slip in the knees and etc. But I have no experience with that setup to know about the cons or pros.

Some of my thought's exactly.

[simple jumper]

Maybe they're finally adding sleeve pockets to the combat shirt.

[breki]

We should get Air Force clerks to trial them (like we do with all our field kit :roll: )

Our unit was asked for people for this trial. They want people who wear a medium size helmet, can speak english and have deployed to Afghanistan.

What they are getting is four poofs who have nothing but battle school behind them, and have probably never left the province of Quebec. Yes, No, toaster should be about all the input they'll have.

[Hispeed1]

Maybe they're finally adding sleeve pockets to the combat shirt.

Oh no you didn't! lol

[trunk_munkey28]

Oh no you didn't! lol

Nobody likes you.

[Red_Fern]

What does he mean the camo system from Predator? I've seen all the movies but am drawing a total blank... rofl

[SE7ENSIX]

What does he mean the camo system from Predator? I've seen all the movies but am drawing a total blank... rofl

Drawing a blank... wokka wokka

[Albatross]

Nobody likes you.

I concur, carrion.

[Red_Fern]

Touché good sir... but that doesn't answer my question.

Do you mean the cloaking thing predator has?

[asch]

Nobody likes you.
truth .

[SE7ENSIX]

Touché good sir... but that doesn't answer my question.

Do you mean the cloaking thing predator has?

To turn invisible and sh#t... you know... when you can't see him, yeah the cloaking thing. Sorry if I got the name incorrect by calling it 'camo'... I'm not Predator sauve. Either way, I was kidding... let it die in piece

[Hispeed1]

Nobody likes you.

Nobody likes me!? Boohoo! I'm gonna go cry in a corner, NOT! And moving on...

[SE7ENSIX]

Nobody likes me? :-( Boohoo! I'm gonna go cry in a corner, NOT! And moving on...

Did you just play a 'NOT!'??? The very same 'not' that was fabled in the early 2000 years? (Fabled... short lived... gay then gay now, whichever). Clever, very very clever indeed. Almost cool too. Cute sad face bra... f#cking rockstar

[breki]

Saw my Brigade Comd wearing those CADPAT boots again, wtf...

[pascalywood]

Saw my Brigade Comd wearing those CADPAT boots again, wtf...

I always wondered, do you have to polish them with cadpat polish? Or you have different kinds of polish and you have to colour every pixel with the proper polish? :)

Anyway cadpat boots are a big waste of money, I really dont see the point of having them.

[trunk_munkey28]

I always wondered, do you have to polish them with cadpat polish? Or you have different kinds of polish and you have to colour every pixel with the proper polish? :)

Anyway cadpat boots are a big waste of money, I really dont see the point of having them.

Its the same sort of paste as the stuff for the C/WW Boot, but clear.

[Roy Batty]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2038/80562414xoqd7ojm5b.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3984/img46fa5999374cd.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3479/65124115.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8904/1211665068963sb9.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7624/hpim1770.jpg

[breki]

Its the same sort of paste as the stuff for the C/WW Boot, but clear.

This is untrue, it is pixel polish and I recommend that Pascalywood be the SME for polishing every pixel of CADPAT in the Canadian Forces.

Skill testing question: How many colours do you need Pascal?

[breki]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2038/80562414xoqd7ojm5b.jpg

I would polish that.

[pascalywood]

This is untrue, it is pixel polish and I recommend that Pascalywood be the SME for polishing every pixel of CADPAT in the Canadian Forces.

Skill testing question: How many colours do you need Pascal?

If my memory is correct, 4. black, brown-ish and 2 shades of green. But i have a better idea.

I propose we unblock 100 million dollars for a smart polish that would turn the color of the pixel it is applied to so the military personel would not have to individually polish the pixels on their boot.

[Soldat_Américain]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7624/hpim1770.jpg
I think I found my soul mate. I would love her till the end.

[breki]

If my memory is correct, 4. black, brown-ish and 2 shades of green. But i have a better idea.

I propose we unblock 100 million dollars for a smart polish that would turn the color of the pixel it is applied to so the military personel would not have to individually polish the pixels on their boot.

I propose that we unblock 100 million hours of your time to be dedicated to pixel polish. Thats about the same as I,ve put in on my boots.p-)

Mon tabernak.

[TOWguy]

SE7ENSIX (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=30284), I've been asking around. No one likes you.

[breki]

SE7ENSIX (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=30284), I've been asking around. No one likes you.

I think he's okay. What's up with you?

[Pete031]

I think he is ok too...

[TOWguy]

I think he's okay. What's up with you?
Just cranky I guess. This whole opsec thing with guys showing off their mugs while deployed. I suppose he knows what he's doing.

[trunk_munkey28]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2038/80562414xoqd7ojm5b.jpg

You can see the goosebumps on her side****... I'd warm her up.
Whats the occasion, Sig?

[Pete031]

Just cranky I guess. This whole opsec thing with guys showing off their mugs while deployed. I suppose he knows what he's doing.

He will be RCMP in a few months anyway.

[Roy Batty]

file:///C:/Users/Cade/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png

You can see the goosebumps on her side****... I'd warm her up.
Whats the occasion, Sig?

8000 posts or something.....

[breki]

Just cranky I guess. This whole opsec thing with guys showing off their mugs while deployed. I suppose he knows what he's doing.

I thought that his photo is very nice and he sports a very nice mustache. That's what I thought. Is there more?

[breki]

8000 posts or something.....

Congrats, ya naked dude cap badge f*cker.

[Roy Batty]

I don't think he's deployed anymore anyway......?....?....?

..but I could be out to lunch. HF has fried my brain.

[breki]

Watch out! Big investigation coming down in the CF! All post on Facebook, Youtube, etc will come under scrutiny!

[TOWguy]

Watch out! Big investigation coming down in the CF! All post on Facebook, Youtube, etc will come under scrutiny!
This is why I was commenting. Sometimes 1 or 2 people can destroy it for everyone.

[breki]

Well, there is a difference between telling a guy that OPSEC is important and telling a guy that you don't like him. Maybe you hurt his feelings.

[SE7ENSIX]

SE7ENSIX (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=30284), I've been asking around. No one likes you.

Whoa whoa whoa! You asked around?

Well... it's my own picture... so what's it matter? It's not like I'm G14 Classified or anything. My name and number is on 411.ca and I have a few yearbook pictures out there.

Not really "OPSEC" by definition. I am not deployed right now, the pic is 2 years old, I'm getting out in a month (yes, RCMP) and there is no patent or legal rights to my mugshot. I can post it without fear of Taliban kicking in my door and blowing me up

*Edit*

Really though, is a pic of a soldier in afghanistan REALLY that few and far between? Are they hard to come by, or is the inter-web flooded with them? Who says that's not my backyard and I'm a hard as f#ck airsofter?

and yes, I do have feelings, and yes they are ****e to injury

[trunk_munkey28]

Whoa whoa whoa! You asked around?

Well... it's my own picture... so what's it matter? It's not like I'm G14 Classified or anything. My name and number is on 411.ca and I have a few yearbook pictures out there.

Not really "OPSEC" by definition. I am not deployed right now, the pic is 2 years old, I'm getting out in a month (yes, RCMP) and there is no patent or legal rights to my mugshot. I can post it without fear of Taliban kicking in my door and blowing me up

*Edit*

Really though, is a pic of a soldier in afghanistan REALLY that few and far between? Are they hard to come by, or is the inter-web flooded with them? Who says that's not my backyard and I'm a hard as f#ck airsofter?

and yes, I do have feelings, and yes they are ****e to injury

I like you, 7.6. Don't worry/

[California Joe]

I like his pic, it's no "Blue Steel" Canadian Sig or anything, but it's fine.

[boone]

Meh.
7.6 is ok-ish...in a round-about kind of way.
That Towguy guy seems like a whiny ****, tho

[SE7ENSIX]

Meh.
7.6 is ok-ish...in a round-about kind of way.
That Towguy guy seems like a whiny ****, tho

Ok-ish? But a sexy looking ok-ish though... right?

[boone]

Ok-ish? But a sexy looking ok-ish though... right?
You had me at the 'stache.

[digrar]

I see a whisker burn username in your future.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Just wondering, how many guys in your trade are trialing the new helmet?

Just me, weapons tech, and a vehicle tech from my platoon. They only asked for two guys from maintenance. I'm with the 2nd vandoos right now and I'm supposed to show up at the 3rd vandoos so hopefully a lot of guys from 3rd who're either recce or para got in on it. We'll see who else volunteered (...or who got forced to volunteer lololool) from other units.

[Red_Fern]

I want to know more about these CADPAT boots...from what I was able to find, they look atrocious. Anyone have any info?

[SE7ENSIX]

I want to know more about these CADPAT boots...from what I was able to find, they look atrocious. Anyone have any info?

Oh god, atrocious? They are embarrassing! I get embarrassed when I see someone wearing them.

From what I remember, they have been around for a few years now. I remember seeing them briefly about 3-4 years ago, then they fell off the radar. Now they're back in full force, proving that a good trend is never a dead one.

I think they fall apart often too, maybe why they disappeared for a while

[-[Crosshair]-]

I've only seen 'em once here on CFB Valcartier. Worn by a reservist, too.

[breki]

-;4410899']I've only seen 'em once here on CFB Valcartier. Worn by a reservist, too.

Check out the Brigade Comd next time you see him. As I mentioned, he is wearing them.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4410899']I've only seen 'em once here on CFB Valcartier. Worn by a reservist, too.

Whats that supposed to mean?

You realize that if nobody wears these things on trial issue then CTS will issue them as is, with no input from the people who this directly affects, and we'll be saddled with another failure of TAC Vest proportions. Just because the guy is a reservist doesn't mean his opinion on a set of boots is any less valid than yours or mine; if they destroy his feet chances are they'll do the same to almost everyone. Likewise, if they're the cat's ass.

[SE7ENSIX]

*Waits for rebutle*

Uh oh... is this going to go where I think it will?

[Roy Batty]

Fvcking Toons.................



























p-)

[trunk_munkey28]

*Waits for rebutle*

Uh oh... is this going to go where I think it will?


Fvcking Toons.................

I tried pretty hard not to be a dink about it, but yeah, uncalled for.
If I'm reading it the way it was meant to be read.

[SE7ENSIX]

I tried pretty hard not to be a dink about it, but yeah, uncalled for.
If I'm reading it the way it was meant to be read.

I don't think he meant anything by it. Feet are feet, I'm not sure if trials are broken up equally between Reg and Res though. I understand your point, but in regards to boots, logic could be that we wear cbt boots every day to work, all day. A Res member wouldn't wear them as much on a regular basis (unless he wore them to the clubs), therefore trial for regular wear and tear would be different. My Infantry logic anyways, maybe you can follow it... but we aren't renowned for our Aptitude scores.

Regardless, I agree, who gives a sh#t if Reg or Res trials em... they're guaranteed garbage either way

[Roy Batty]

Trunk I hope you wern't thinking I was serious. Dude. I have nothing against Reservists (hence the little Pirate face after I said it). I have worked with lots of them and patroled beside them. Just like the regs. Good ones and bad ones.

[trunk_munkey28]

I don't think he meant anything by it. Feet are feet, I'm not sure if trials are broken up equally between Reg and Res though. I understand your point, but in regards to boots, logic could be that we wear cbt boots every day to work, all day. A Res member wouldn't wear them as much on a regular basis (unless he wore them to the clubs), therefore trial for regular wear and tear would be different. My Infantry logic anyways, maybe you can follow it... but we aren't renowned for our Aptitude scores.

Regardless, I agree, who gives a sh#t if Reg or Res trials em... they're guaranteed garbage either way


Trunk I hope you wern't thinking I was serious. Dude. I have nothing against Reservists (hence the little Pirate face after I said it). I have worked with lots of them and patroled beside them. Just like the regs. Good ones and bad ones.

Nah Sig not you, I caught the pirate face. Most Reg Force guys who've been in for a while are pretty mature about things.

7.6, I agree with the regular wear and tear sentiment, fair enough. Sometimes I forget that all Reservists aren't full time like me. As far as comfort and utility is concerned, however, a day in the field is a day in the field.

In any case, we're all gonna seem mighty silly if these things turn out to be awesome boots.

[SE7ENSIX]

In any case, we're all gonna seem mighty silly if these things turn out to be awesome boots.

That is a world I fear... a place in which I do not want to live


..... that is why we fight

[Pete031]

lol...Mo....

The boots are not going to be issued, the only ones you see are leftovers from the trial, or the clothe the soldier dudes.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Whats that supposed to mean?

I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm a full-time reservist too, buddy. I didn't think they would give those abominations to us since a lot of us aren't active enough to get any input out of 'em.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4411206']I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm a full-time reservist too, buddy. I didn't think they would give those abominations to us since a lot of us aren't active enough to get any input out of 'em.

All right then lol.
I just did read that the wrong way.
And I'm not your buddy, guy.p-)

[breki]

Do the reserve guys get boots issued to them or do they recieve hand-me-downs from the Reg force?p-)

[Roy Batty]

They just get those Grey "crippler" running shoes that they try to issue us at St Jean.........

[trunk_munkey28]

Whats St Jean?

[Pete031]

Where 99% of reg force soldiers do Basic Training, What Cornwallis used to be, The recruit depot.

[trunk_munkey28]

Where 99% of reg force soldiers do Basic Training, What Cornwallis used to be, The recruit depot.

Should have added a pirate smiley, was alluding to the fact that us mo-fags don't do basic there.

[ProPatria]

I love how this thread is being turned into a Reg vs. Mo debate. I love it.

[DnA]

And I'm not your buddy, guy.p-)

He's not your guy, friend !

[goat89]

Should have added a pirate smiley, was alluding to the fact that us mo-fags don't do basic there.
Oh ho... I smell rivalry. :D
Just dont get it outta hand. ;)

[goat89]

He's not your guy, friend !
He's not your friend, buddy!

[DnA]

Apparently a few of us watch South Park haha

[goat89]

Apparently a few of us watch South Park haha
No sh*t. Though coming to Vancouver broke my perception of them as talking eggheads... no WCB... no T&P... :(

[Pete031]

Should have added a pirate smiley, was alluding to the fact that us mo-fags don't do basic there.


Ahhh the old Mo not knowing St Jean trick... Should of known

[breki]

The Mega is a place that is devoid of souls. And militiamen.

[trunk_munkey28]

Ahhh the old Mo not knowing St Jean trick... Should of known

Sort of like asking the old salty corporal in the most seriously innocent voice; "What's an FN?"

Watch for the ubiquitous forehead vein, incoherent sputtering, and other hilarious attributes.

[-[Crosshair]-]

I got to fire the FN C1A1D (Navy full-auto variant) and the C2A1. Fun times.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4411639']I got to fire the FN C1A1D (Navy full-auto variant) and the C2A1. Fun times.

I really wish they weren't prohibited in Canada.

[-[Crosshair]-]

I know, right? The only reason that I can think of why it got prohibited is because it was once used as the nation's main rifle and light support weapon.

....since I can get an M14 or an M1A or an AR-10 and all, I think it's extremely weird.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4412287']I know, right? The only reason that I can think of why it got prohibited is because it was once used as the nation's main rifle and light support weapon.

....since I can get an M14 or an M1A or an AR-10 and all, I think it's extremely weird.

Or the fact that my AR15 is pretty much a C8FTHB without the M203 sleeve, yeah.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Where did you get your heavy 16" barrel? I'd love to have that on my future AR build.

[trunk_munkey28]

From Galati International before the new ITAR regs came in for the US, and ruined thigns for all of us.

[-[Crosshair]-]

:-( why canada do this

[Bacon]

ITAR regs is US. Plus why would you want a heavy barrel....government profile ftw.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Because they're excellent barrels.

[Bacon]

-;4413023']Because they're excellent barrels.

Please back up your statement with facts.

[-[Crosshair]-]

I'll just go with personal experience here in the shop if you don't mind, I don't care if you are butthurt over a more expensive barrel handling higher volumes of fire better than the older ones.

[trunk_munkey28]

ITAR regs is US. Plus why would you want a heavy barrel....government profile ftw.

To be honest, I would have gone pencil profile having had it for about a year now; it's not like I'm firing full auto or anything. The only thing the heavy barrel does for me is maybe tightening up my groups at a longer range.

[Roy Batty]

Fvcking ITAR regs are making it impossible to get any NSN optics up here. :|

Dont these people know who their allies are???????

[trunk_munkey28]

Fvcking ITAR regs are making it impossible to get any NSN optics up here. :|

Dont these people know who their allies are???????

Yes and no, yes for cheaper out of the US, no, some things still are available. I've seen NIB Eotechs, etc, at The Shooting Edge in Calgary, and a couple of places have GenII ELcan SpectreDRs.

[Roy Batty]

The shooting edge wont sell any NSN models to any individual. They will sell to your unit but not to you. You can buy the civie Eotech but not the NSN one (553?) same goes for the ACOGs.

[-[Crosshair]-]

The shooting edge wont sell any NSN models to any individual. They will sell to your unit but not to you. You can buy the civie Eotech but not the NSN one (553?) same goes for the ACOGs.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=18063/Product/HOLOGRAPHIC_SIGHT

You can get the 553 here but I think that they won't ship it over the border because it comes with batteries. D;

That's what happened to me when I tried to order a Surefire light pump for my Remmy 870.

[Bacon]

To be honest, I would have gone pencil profile having had it for about a year now; it's not like I'm firing full auto or anything. The only thing the heavy barrel does for me is maybe tightening up my groups at a longer range.

My comment about the heavy barrel was directed towards crosshair.

[trunk_munkey28]

The shooting edge wont sell any NSN models to any individual. They will sell to your unit but not to you. You can buy the civie Eotech but not the NSN one (553?) same goes for the ACOGs.

Seen.
They did have a TA01 NSN with TRD mounted there, I don't know if they do anymore.
I traded it in for my Elcan.
Are you looking for an optic for you service weapon Sig?

[trunk_munkey28]

My comment about the heavy barrel was directed towards crosshair.

Roger. Still, as sexy as my carbine is, I don't think it would suffer for losing a couple of pounds with a C8 style barrel versus the heavy.

[oswald]

Are barrels restricted items too?

[Roy Batty]

Seen.
Are you looking for an optic for you service weapon Sig?

Maybe .....lol

[trunk_munkey28]

Maybe .....lol

Gotcha. I would seriously look into the Spectre DR if your not completely limited by the funds situation. Not too much more than an ACOG, and Canadian made.
Nothing but praise for the newer model.

[Roy Batty]

-;4413807']http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=18063/Product/HOLOGRAPHIC_SIGHT

You can get the 553 here but I think that they won't ship it over the border because it comes with batteries. D;

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They wont ship it over the border because it's an optic controlled by the State Department rather thatn The Department of Commerce (who controls most of the "civie" Eotechs).

[Pete031]

Acog ta01 doc nsn ftw!!!

[-[Crosshair]-]

They wont ship it over the border because it's an optic controlled by the State Department rather thatn The Department of Commerce (who controls most of the "civie" Eotechs).

Well that's a big downer.

[DnA]

They wont ship it over the border because it's an optic controlled by the State Department rather thatn The Department of Commerce (who controls most of the "civie" Eotechs).

Wolverine Supplies in Virden, Mb has some Spectersm atleast they did a couple months ago.



But I've heard they have issues of dropping their zero when you switch magnification.

[Pete031]

I think the Specters are overrated... An ACOG with a Docter is my favourite...

[DnA]

I think the Specters are overrated... An ACOG with a Docter is my favourite...


Thats what I'd go for. Get kit with one purpose only, add on more roles for a sight, more moving pieces, more things to fail.

[trunk_munkey28]

I think the Specters are overrated... An ACOG with a Docter is my favourite...

I got rid of mine. Didn't like the short eye relief, small ocular lense, and compromising my shooting stance to use the red dot.
*not an operator, however*
Horses for courses, I guess.
I love my Spectre, but have not really stretched it out and ran it hard yet.