Conversing with college students.

[MaverickCowboy]

So i was discussing Iraq with a few students, some were taking international law, journalism and psychology . what caught my attention was an assignment they had in political science class to write a paper advocating for stronger international governance.

conversation went straight to " yeah, someone to keep states like the US from invading other countries, such a terrible thing." "or an independent organization that can arrest governing people for violating human rights, the US because it defied Geneva convention and not only tortured combatants, but also used mercenaries in combat roles and invaded iraq ilegally"

Is this the majority of college kids? if thats true, how will the direction of the U.S. go in the future? give up military industries to the UN? seems like there are all our future voters.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution <whats this mean?

[blackhawk7243]

Neg, Im a college student and I'm 100% behind our troops

[Noons86]

I can tell you right now I was never assigned a paper with a pre-determined position. The standard for papers was always to form your own position and argue it rationally, backed up with research. I was never told to take a certain position, unless there was going to be a debate in the next class.

[Jobu]

Rest assured many of these college students will soon be out in the world facing cold, hard reality and they will quickly realize how stupid they were.

Not all, but many. Some will stay dumb their entire lives.

[shiftypowpow]

Neg, Im a college student and I'm 100% behind our troops


Supporting the troops and supporting the war are two different things

[RxOnco]

So i was discussing Iraq with a few students, some were taking international law, journalism and psychology . what caught my attention was an assignment they had in political science class to write a paper advocating for stronger international governance...

One, it sounds like you're taking your sample from the Left to start with. Int. Law?...Journalism?...Psychology?...C'mon, throw in an African Studies and Anthropology major and you'll have a full house. You also said that the assignment was to advocate stronger international governance. So, I'd assume that you're gonna get more pro UN crap than against.
As for your overall question, I still have confidence in the younger generation as a whole. I may be wrong though. A couple of generations of the wussification of America may have done some damage to today's youth. If the second unfolds to become truth, grab your guns and pack your bags. Drive, and don't stop 'till you cross the Texas line.

[Noons86]

Until someone can come up with a very specific, detailed explanation of what the "wussification" of America is, I am forced to assume it is merely a figment of some people's collective imagination.

[Bulletproof]

RxOnco, are you for real?

[California Joe]

He's a real beauty isn't he?

Well Mav, if I may call you that, your highly scientific research would have probably had the same skewed results if you were talking about the best burgers or latest Kings of Leon CD.

[MaverickCowboy]

He's a real beauty isn't he?

Well Mav, if I may call you that, your highly scientific research would have probably had the same skewed results if you were talking about the best burgers or latest Kings of Leon CD.

your probably right, but who ever said anything about scientific?

[SBL]

So i was discussing Iraq with a few students, some were taking international law, journalism and psychology . what caught my attention was an assignment they had in political science class to write a paper advocating for stronger international governance.

conversation went straight to " yeah, someone to keep states like the US from invading other countries, such a terrible thing." "or an independent organization that can arrest governing people for violating human rights, the US because it defied Geneva convention and not only tortured combatants, but also used mercenaries in combat roles and invaded iraq ilegally"

Is this the majority of college kids? if thats true, how will the direction of the U.S. go in the future? give up military industries to the UN? seems like there are all our future voters.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution <whats this mean?

Hmm. English major?

[seraosha]

RxOnco, are you for real?

Yes, he's for real and that's a pretty common attitude here in Texas.
I would also caution anyone polling these fine young college students selecting international relations, journalism, sociology and other squishy topics...these kids are smart, and they would be fools to not tailor their responses to their professors expectations.

Toe the line, get a passing grade and move out. But sadly, a certain degree of indoctrination occurs.

[MaverickCowboy]

Hmm. English major?

what man? whats English?

[blackhawk7243]

Supporting the troops and supporting the war are two different things
agreed, I do support the war in afganistain and for the most part I do support OIF but the point i was trying to make is not all college students are left wing pussys like these ones.

[Dling]

Yes, he's for real and that's a pretty common attitude here in Texas.
I would also caution anyone polling these fine young college students selecting international relations, journalism, sociology and other squishy topics...these kids are smart, and they would be fools to not tailor their responses to their professors expectations.

Toe the line, get a passing grade and move out. But sadly, a certain degree of indoctrination occurs.


x2. Had a friend in Political sciences iirc or at least something on those lines. His teacher was a leftie and he tailored his essays in that direction, biting his tongue as far as his actual opinion went. Get the marks, pass and then you can do what you want.

Not to generalize but I find that coming from the suburbs in a govermnent city where most people tend to be making well above average income, people seem lot more comfortable and disillusioned or just don't seem to have much of any interests of outside afairs. No one takes time to dig deeper into anything they hear on the the news, and absorb things teachers tell you in high school.


agreed, I do support the war in afganistain and for the most part I do support OIF but the point i was trying to make is not all college students are left wing pussys like these ones.

But it certainly depends on what course they're inp-)

[Noons86]

Yes, he's for real and that's a pretty common attitude here in Texas.
I would also caution anyone polling these fine young college students selecting international relations, journalism, sociology and other squishy topics...these kids are smart, and they would be fools to not tailor their responses to their professors expectations.

Toe the line, get a passing grade and move out. But sadly, a certain degree of indoctrination occurs.

I do not recall any of my professors having a reputation for grading papers based on whether the students agreed with their views.

[matthew.manhorn]

I'm a college student and I'm 100% behind our troops.

Everyone hates the US and criticize every policy that it makes, whether it is Clinton's isolationist policies against Rwanda and Somoalia or GWB's intervention policies against Iraq and Afghanistan.

The silent majority of the US are still moderates (not divded by left and right like the media says), the problems of the left wing college students lie to their professors. I know many moderates and conservatives in my classes, they're just not as loud mouth as liberals.

[Chulo]

Until someone can come up with a very specific, detailed explanation of what the "wussification" of America is, I am forced to assume it is merely a figment of some people's collective imagination.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3254/beckhambag5970950.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/beckhambag5970950.jpg/)
man bags

[SOG]

Rest assured many of these college students will soon be out in the world facing cold, hard reality and they will quickly realize how stupid they were.

Not all, but many. Some will stay dumb their entire lives.

Exactly. Once the world hits them like a sack of bricks reality often tempers off the cuff opinion.


Supporting the troops and supporting the war are two different things

I've never seen it that way. I can't see the logic behind telling a soldier: I fully support you and hope you come back alive. Oh, but I don't support what you are there to do or why you are doing it and I fully disagree with all the reasons your brothers died for but will mourn the loss. Have a great tour!

Something contradicting about trying to separate the politics from war when the two are interconnected.

[Noons86]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3254/beckhambag5970950.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/beckhambag5970950.jpg/)
man bags

I stand corrected.

[Steaks]

education=indoctrination

[Noons86]

education=indoctrination


Yeah, hoo r those "teechurs" to tell me what 2+2 is or how 2 spel?

[California Joe]

College kids are supposed to act goofy, there's a reason that so many Che shirts get sold. Like Jobu said, they tend to temper their retro hippie attitudes when confronted by the cold world at large. You can't talk to 5 kids and extrapolate that to the fall of civilization.

As far as wussification goes, I blame the lack of dodgeball on most playgrounds.

[kinney_bmx]

College kids are supposed to act goofy, there's a reason that so many Che shirts get sold. Like Jobu said, they tend to temper their retro hippie attitudes when confronted by the cold world at large. You can't talk to 5 kids and extrapolate that to the fall of civilization.

As far as wussification goes, I blame the lack of dodgeball on most playgrounds.
lol, brings back memories of purposely aiming for people against a wall so that their heads slam into the wall when the ball hits it.

And I agree on the soldiers-war thing. I dont think you can say you 100% support the troops if you 100% disagree with the war

[TheSteve]

Is this the majority of college kids? if thats true, how will the direction of the U.S. go in the future? give up military industries to the UN? seems like there are all our future voters.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution <whats this mean?
Well I don't know about the majority, I guess there would have to be a poll conducted or something. But I can tell you what many of my classmates today thought in my International Relations course.

Its a intro course, so we were going over two big theories in IR (Internation Relations): Realism and Liberalism (Not classical Liberalism). A liberal believes ethics and norms can guide policy, humans are not inherently violent, and cooperation is possible. So an IO (International Organization) such as the UN is a product of Liberalism. Another example would be the NPT (Nuclear Proliferation Treaty). Or almost any treaty or agreement for that matter (Not to say realists don't sign treaties).

Realists on the other hand believe humans are inherently violent, internation realations is anarchic, states act rationally (Whats in their best interest), and states are the main actors in IR.

As you might have guessed, many of my fellow classmates just thought the ideas of Liberalism just made sense, and realism seemed almost archaic. While this may or may not be true, my generation (I'm 20) is a product of globalism. Not only that, my generation is seeing more and more global problems, or at the least problems are now viewed as global. Also, we are a post 9/11 generation, so the idea that states are the main actors (Which they are) seems kinda old because of, of course, 9/11. Terrorist, NGOs, and MNC (Multinational Corporations) are playing a bigger and bigger part in the international system.

So to answer your question, probably yes. It makes sense a lot of kids from this generation would think things like the UN are a no brainier. Something like global warming, or maybe even international terrorism, requires cooperation on a international scale never seen before.

[Kit]

I would not say that it's a problem with the college kid but with the professor. I'm at South Carolina, and I can say that every one of my professors encourages critical thinking. They don't care what the answer is, they want the student to defend their position strongly and logically.

A professor who assigns papers with pre-determined conclusions, is not giving a real college education. He's just trying to produce zombies for his cause.

[Peanut]

agreed, I do support the war in afganistain and for the most part I do support OIF but the point i was trying to make is not all college students are left wing pussys like these ones.

Please, stop posting.

[blackhawk7243]

Exactly. Once the world hits them like a sack of bricks reality often tempers off the cuff opinion.



I've never seen it that way. I can't see the logic behind telling a soldier: I fully support you and hope you come back alive. Oh, but I don't support what you are there to do or why you are doing it and I fully disagree with all the reasons your brothers died for but will mourn the loss. Have a great tour!

Something contradicting about trying to separate the politics from war when the two are interconnected.

Thats basically what I was going for supporting the troops and the war are interconnected.
and in reply to peanut, No.

[Elbs]

Please, stop posting.

Who died and made you Dalai Lama?

[Mu-Meson]

To paraphrase Churchill: "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart, and if you aren't a conservative when you are old, you have no brain".

Young people are more idealistic, and activist so they will be attracted to the idealist, and activist ideologies. And since they have no brains yet they won't recognize all the BS for what it is.

[Noons86]

Well I don't know about the majority, I guess there would have to be a poll conducted or something. But I can tell you what many of my classmates today thought in my International Relations course.

Its a intro course, so we were going over two big theories in IR (Internation Relations): Realism and Liberalism (Not classical Liberalism). A liberal believes ethics and norms can guide policy, humans are not inherently violent, and cooperation is possible. So an IO (International Organization) such as the UN is a product of Liberalism. Another example would be the NPT (Nuclear Proliferation Treaty). Or almost any treaty or agreement for that matter (Not to say realists don't sign treaties).

Realists on the other hand believe humans are inherently violent, internation realations is anarchic, states act rationally (Whats in their best interest), and states are the main actors in IR.

As you might have guessed, many of my fellow classmates just thought the ideas of Liberalism just made sense, and realism seemed almost archaic. While this may or may not be true, my generation (I'm 20) is a product of globalism. Not only that, my generation is seeing more and more global problems, or at the least problems are now viewed as global. Also, we are a post 9/11 generation, so the idea that states are the main actors (Which they are) seems kinda old because of, of course, 9/11. Terrorist, NGOs, and MNC (Multinational Corporations) are playing a bigger and bigger part in the international system.

So to answer your question, probably yes. It makes sense a lot of kids from this generation would think things like the UN are a no brainier. Something like global warming, or maybe even international terrorism, requires cooperation on a international scale never seen before.

Just to add to the liberalism part. An extension of the liberalist theory is Neoliberalism, which is the theory behind the neoconservative philosophy. This theory states that as both democracy and capitalism spread, war will be less likely and limited. So neoconservatives basically translates into liberals in IR-speak.

[RxOnco]

He's a real beauty isn't he?...

Thanks CJ, I'm touched.

And yes, I was serious. As soon as the general public over here begins to fall in line with the World Union/United Nations garbage, it'll be time to cup the balls and reclaim the Republic of Texas. As a member of the Texas Nationalist Movement, there are many like me who are waiting for the time to come. That would just make it too easy.

[Elbs]

I will fight to keep Texas BBQ in the Union SO HELP ME GOD.

[Noons86]

^^^
But we've basically been coming to the conclusion that the world union/UN support is idealism, which is common among young people but fades out as people get older, so it will never reach the general public.

[brainplay]

As far as wussification goes, I blame the lack of dodgeball on most playgrounds.

This.

Teaching young kids the need to avoid confrontation by all means necessary is also contributing. They tend to think confronting any one or anything (including their fears or excesses) must end in violence and/or is bad.

[California Joe]

Here's me in college, just after the Civil War.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff212/rghayes40/FRAT.jpg

I was thinking about the Playboy Bunny frat party we were having, pussy, finishing my 4 foot canvas for painting class, pussy, U2 or REM or The Clash, how awesome my flannel shirt with the cut off sleeves looked in Florida, pussy, why was Calculus so damned hard, Why Mr. Zoggs *** Wax was best for my stick, Dollar pitcher night, pussy, beer....

[DaGreatRV]

education=indoctrination

The idea is to teach kids to think, not what to think.

[Parx400]

Thanks CJ, I'm touched.

And yes, I was serious. As soon as the general public over here begins to fall in line with the World Union/United Nations garbage, it'll be time to cup the balls and reclaim the Republic of Texas. As a member of the Texas Nationalist Movement, there are many like me who are waiting for the time to come. That would just make it too easy.


Is it true that about 1/4 of Texans would like to split from the US?

[RxOnco]

That's probably a pretty accurate number. Pretty large considering a good half doesn't give a sh!t either way, or about anything for that matter.

[Noons86]

Do you really want to make that Russian professor's prediction come true?

[RxOnco]

Not sure what you're referring to. If it has to do with Texas gaining independence, then yes.

[Estopped]

I don't think its naive to support stronger international law and be against the use of force in solving international disputes. Especially since this has been part of international law for along time now and is a concept that has been strengthening and not weakening as the years pass. A job in the "real world" shouldn't really change such an opinion. And naturally as students in the US they look to get their own house in order before lecturing others. But perspective is certainly important and certain principles should be shared uniformly across the world.

[commanding]

Back to the original topic about the liberal views of college students in Mavs unscientific canvas of students.
I believe, that it differs from one state to another and indeed from one university to another and even one student to the next (as has been pointed out).

In Beautiful Texas, where several of us live, I attended University a thousand years ago in the 1960s and early 70s. It was my observation, that each university in the state of Texas, bent various ways. The University of Texas at Austin, was in my observation, one of the more liberal universities via the student body. Likely the most conservative was Texas A&M at College Station, and just behind Texas A&M was my alma mater Texas Tech University in the highly conservative panhandle town of Lubbock. Other Universities (SMU, TCU, Baylor, Rice, etc) fell somewhere between the U. of Texas and Texas A&M on the liberal to conservative scale.

Even within a single university, in the same major (architecture) I saw political attitudes vary from very liberal hippy type attitudes to conservative guys who dropped out of school and joined the Marine Corp to be sent to Viet Nam, and then came back to finish school.

so like everything in life...it varies widely. (it has been my observation that some guys adapt the current fad...be it Che tee shirts, or protesting wars, to get the nubile chicks, and not for political reasons).

[Derbedeu]

To paraphrase Churchill: "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart, and if you aren't a conservative when you are old, you have no brain".

Young people are more idealistic, and activist so they will be attracted to the idealist, and activist ideologies. And since they have no brains yet they won't recognize all the BS for what it is.

Churchill only said that to excuse his betrayal of the Tories. Guy was a pompous ass whose sole saving grace was his opposition to Hitler and the Nazis. I apologize if I have offended any Brits, but I can't stand the guy.

[RxOnco]

Churchill only said that to excuse his betrayal of the Tories. Guy was a pompous ass whose sole saving grace was his opposition to Hitler and the Nazis. I apologize if I have offended any Brits, but I can't stand the guy.

That's a pretty big notch on his belt if you ask me.

[Fat Lazy American]

When I was college age, I was a Chomsky thumping far leftist. Meh.

[USMCRTop]

Thanks CJ, I'm touched.

And yes, I was serious. As soon as the general public over here begins to fall in line with the World Union/United Nations garbage, it'll be time to cup the balls and reclaim the Republic of Texas. As a member of the Texas Nationalist Movement, there are many like me who are waiting for the time to come. That would just make it too easy.

Didn't Texas lose , um 150 years ago ??

[Derbedeu]

And yes, I was serious. As soon as the general public over here begins to fall in line with the World Union/United Nations garbage, it'll be time to cup the balls and reclaim the Republic of Texas. As a member of the Texas Nationalist Movement, there are many like me who are waiting for the time to come. That would just make it too easy.

Why stop there RxOnco? After all, why do you even have to pay local taxes? And who the hell has any right to indoctrinate your kids? They should be educated at home.


That's a pretty big notch on his belt if you ask me.

Yeah, I'd tend to give him more credit for it, if it weren't for the fact that anyone who read Mein Kampf could have seen what a menace Hitler was.

[RxOnco]

Why stop there RxOnco? After all, why do you even have to pay local taxes? And who the hell has any right to indoctrinate your kids? They should be educated at home...

Funny thing about local taxes is they stay local. They pay for schools, fire, police, ems, etc... What they don't do is go to bail out a bunch of jerk-offs that can't get their collective sh!t together. Everyone has the right to educate their kids at home. I for one, happen to be happy with the Katy ISD and Texas' education system as a whole. The goin's on in Austin at Teasip U aside. I have no problem paying taxes. God knows I pay my fair share.

[Noons86]

Churchill only said that to excuse his betrayal of the Tories. Guy was a pompous ass whose sole saving grace was his opposition to Hitler and the Nazis. I apologize if I have offended any Brits, but I can't stand the guy.


No offense, but I have to call anger at a dead guy misplaced emotion.



When I was college age, I was a Chomsky thumping far leftist. Meh.

For the record, I was never assigned any reading from Chomsky, Zinn etc.

[Derbedeu]

No offense, but I have to call anger at a dead guy misplaced emotion.

I'm not angry at him personally since I realize that it would be irrational. If anything I'm upset that historiography looks on Churchill as if he did no wrong. In effect, I think his reputation as a great statesman is undeservedly inflated.

Though maybe my passion for history does get the best of me sometimes. :) Oh, and no offense taken!


Funny thing about local taxes is they stay local. They pay for schools, fire, police, ems, etc... What they don't do is go to bail out a bunch of jerk-offs that can't get their collective sh!t together. Everyone has the right to educate their kids at home. I for one, happen to be happy with the Katy ISD and Texas' education system as a whole. The goin's on in Austin at Teasip U aside. I have no problem paying taxes. God knows I pay my fair share.

Ok, I get where you're coming from now. Though you do realize that if Texas secedes, you wouldn't be paying just local taxes.

[TheSteve]

Just to add to the liberalism part. An extension of the liberalist theory is Neoliberalism, which is the theory behind the neoconservative philosophy. This theory states that as both democracy and capitalism spread, war will be less likely and limited. So neoconservatives basically translates into liberals in IR-speak.
Yeah, the "liberalist theory" being classical liberalism and not liberalism in international relations? Trying to nail down what exactly a neocon in a IR sense is pretty hard.

[DC5dude]

I've been in college what seems like forever now and it's usually the freshmen or sophomores who are easily duped by their liberal ass professors into condemning the conflicts, the atrocities, blah blah blah. I just take all leftist $hit I hear in school with a grain of salt and support the military 110% and always will.

[Gman992]

Why didn't you say, "you mean give them free elections and democracy?" Isn't that what people on the left always, always, always complain about?

[KrazyRanchers]

well, I'm still in college and hopefully will be out working for Skunk Works here in two years (yes, that's my goal and I have enough inside connections to make it so) ......I've always supported our troops, especially with Ft. Riley and the Big Red One so close to where I go to school at. Unfortunately a lot of students don't really care. Seriously, they don't care, which makes me quite upset.

I'm not going to impose my will or make somebody support our troops. Unless kids have a relative serving abroad or something along those lines, they quite simply won't care. That's the reality concerning today's college population and it all basically boils down to one word: APATHY!

As far as asking this question within a military related forum, your responses from college kids will most likely be from individuals such as myself (support the war, even when 80% of ALL apathetic college kids don't). Don't quote me on figures, I'm just shooting a ball park figure.

Every year at K-State(conservitive) there are yellow flags planted in our main square, each one representing a soldier killed in OEF and OIF. Even then students don't really grasp what it truly represents. If this was done at Kansas University (liberal) there would probably be an outcry from the hippie population.

Any more questions feel free to ask concerning the original question.

[Fargin]

I think students should sing the national anthem, sign the declaration of indepence and salute the flag before every lesson and in the cafeteria line to get something to eat. And if a few brainless hippies call out Colin on his iraqi mobil icecream labs, the legalization of torture and outsourcing the military, we'll increase the flag saluting, singing, signing and reciting of GWB poetry.

They don't understand the importance of supporting the Pres in a time of war, we do. We know the world outside the college and know best, because we gots brains. The Pres needs our blind obedience, anything but and the terrorists will have won.

[Derbedeu]

I think students should sing the national anthem, sign the declaration of indepence and salute the flag before every lesson and in the cafeteria line to get something to eat. And if a few brainless hippies call out Colin on his iraqi mobil icecream labs, the legalization of torture and outsourcing the military, we'll increase the flag saluting, singing, signing and reciting of GWB poetry.

They don't understand the importance of supporting the Pres in a time of war, we do. We know the world outside the college and know best, because we gots brains. The Pres needs our blind obedience, anything but and the terrorists will have won.

I'm sensing sarcasm here...at least, I hope I am. :|

[khalifah]

Well I don't know about the majority, I guess there would have to be a poll conducted or something. But I can tell you what many of my classmates today thought in my International Relations course.

Its a intro course, so we were going over two big theories in IR (Internation Relations): Realism and Liberalism (Not classical Liberalism). A liberal believes ethics and norms can guide policy, humans are not inherently violent, and cooperation is possible. So an IO (International Organization) such as the UN is a product of Liberalism. Another example would be the NPT (Nuclear Proliferation Treaty). Or almost any treaty or agreement for that matter (Not to say realists don't sign treaties).

Realists on the other hand believe humans are inherently violent, internation realations is anarchic, states act rationally (Whats in their best interest), and states are the main actors in IR.

As you might have guessed, many of my fellow classmates just thought the ideas of Liberalism just made sense, and realism seemed almost archaic. While this may or may not be true, my generation (I'm 20) is a product of globalism. Not only that, my generation is seeing more and more global problems, or at the least problems are now viewed as global. Also, we are a post 9/11 generation, so the idea that states are the main actors (Which they are) seems kinda old because of, of course, 9/11. Terrorist, NGOs, and MNC (Multinational Corporations) are playing a bigger and bigger part in the international system.
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I think Im taking a class similar to yours, though it dubbed "Politics of Global Sec." In the class we have these 2 opposite poles that you mentioned, however, the graph my professor gives us goes from Realism to Marxism, then to Pluralism and lastly Social Constructism(Liberalism). Essentially what im seeing, in terms of world politics/security, is that people are torn between the philosophies of Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.

Of course it takes a good Professor to get the students thinking critically about this, and not just to get over the class.



I would not say that it's a problem with the college kid but with the professor. I'm at South Carolina, and I can say that every one of my professors encourages critical thinking. They don't care what the answer is, they want the student to defend their position strongly and logically.

A professor who assigns papers with pre-determined conclusions, is not giving a real college education. He's just trying to produce zombies for his cause.

Then you must have luck on your side, here at UTPA (for those who dont know, its a branch of the University of Texas) such professors are few and far between, (especially in the Poli/Sci Dept.)

Im taking another Poli/Sci class on US in Vietnam and Foreign Relations afterwards. He is a self proclamed deep blue Democrate, the problem i have, however, is that he speaks nothing else but of the 'atrocities' in Iraq/Afgan. and the impending failure of the 2 war zones. Moreover, while tying them to Vietnam, he went on about G.W. Bush's AWOL for 30 minutes in class yesterday(which ties into President Diem how?)

the only funny thing about him is that he comes to class with those decal shirts on. "Think for Peace", and "Conversational Authority" rings a bell. while talking about, "Those FVCKING Slant eyes GOOKS!!..."



I've been in college what seems like forever now and it's usually the freshmen or sophomores who are easily duped by their liberal ass professors into condemning the conflicts, the atrocities, blah blah blah. I just take all leftist $hit I hear in school with a grain of salt and support the military 110% and always will.

From my expirience its the otherway around, (at least at my school)
In the class i mentioned before about Vietnam, its an upper level class,with the average age of 25. id say about 5 out of 17 of us keep our mouths shut when the professor goes off being obnoxious with his ideology, the rest are also adding on, bashing, etc.
(though I know for sure Liberals are not like this, these people are just emberressing themselves)

What gets my blood boiling though is these 3 filthy looking guys who have been passing around fliers and sign-up sheets for the next "Students For Peace" EVERY SINGLE class period we have.

[DC5dude]

well, I'm still in college and hopefully will be out working for Skunk Works here in two years (yes, that's my goal and I have enough inside connections to make it so)

Gotta love Nepotism. Well guess what? I'm hoping for a position with Lockheed-Martin and I don't need my aunty or uncle to pat my ass for the position.

[Awatron]

Im reading a lot about so called leftist and wuss studies, like international law, journalism and even english. So far so good. But would anyone please enlighten me which studies are for the tough conservatives? Im just inerested to know the situation in american colleges.

[Fat Lazy American]

Yeah, the "liberalist theory" being classical liberalism and not liberalism in international relations? Trying to nail down what exactly a neocon in a IR sense is pretty hard.

That's because "neocon" doesn't have a very clear meaning. But when someone says a "neocon subscribes to liberalist theory", they usually mean they're liberals in an IR sense, NOT in the "classical liberal" sense.

Generally, if you're talking international relations, it means those who advocate the spread of liberal democracy (i.e., the Western political and economic system -- representative government, independent judiciary, personal freedoms, a market based economy) by the United States (and its allies) rather than through the United Nations, traditionally viewed as a "liberal" institution (but by neoconservative reckoning, corrupted and dominated by dictatorships.)

It originally meant a former leftist or social liberal (American liberal) turned conservative, and not really much more. In terms of domestic policy, it would tend to suggest someone who believes, for instance, that ending poverty is a noble goal, but traditional government programs to aid the poor are failures and often add to social ills rather than solve them. The more traditional conservative position would be that ending poverty isn't any business of the government. Note that when you're talking about domestic politics, neoconservatives aren't usually "classical liberals" OR "social liberals".

Now "neoconservative" is generally used by liberals and leftists to refer to all or most conservatives as an epithet. It's also used by rightwingers of various stripes to distance themselves from the Bush administration. (Either they claim "true" or "paleo" conservatism is non-interventionist, or neoconservatives are really promoting liberalism, or whatever.)

It's also fairly commonly used to mean "Jewish conservative". (Politically conservative, not a Conservative Jew.) In some cases, it means "someone who is pro-Israel, regardless of ideology." (Marty Peretz gets called a neoconservative a lot by those on the left despite the fact that he's not really conservative in any sense.)

But yeah, a lot of people consider neoconservatives to be Wilsonian liberals, which would be in terms of international relations, not in terms of domestic policy.

Beware: "Neoliberalism" is even worse. Latin American Marxists used the term to refer to "new classical liberalism" -- Milton Friedman is the archetype, NAFTA, WTO, the IMF, the World Bank are the evil instruments of neoliberalism to them. This usage has seeped into American leftist usage.

However, in international relations theory, neoliberalism generally means something like: "Those who embrace internationalist institutions and believe peaceful and diplomatic negotiations can solve conflicts, but recognize that the world order is anarchic in reality."

There's not really any overlap at all between these two definitions of "neoliberalism". (Hey, at least the various reckonings of what a "neoconservative" is overlap a lot! They all apply to Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.)

[KrazyRanchers]

Gotta love Nepotism. Well guess what? I'm hoping for a position with Lockheed-Martin and I don't need my aunty or uncle to pat my ass for the position.

I do not have relative connections, if that is what you are referring to. Plus I don't need somebody to pat my ass for anything. Lockheed Martin is all over, so if you want to jump on the JSF gravy train you'll probably end up at Ft. Worth, or if you are into heavies go to Marietta, or if you are into developing "silver bullets" such as the (in their time of being prime of course) SR-71, U-2, F-117, F-22, and beyond....then you'll want to look into ADP there in Palmdale, CA..........

[RxOnco]

...Ok, I get where you're coming from now. Though you do realize that if Texas secedes, you wouldn't be paying just local taxes.
As it is, we have no state income tax. I figure, we'll just trade off and pay some of what we had been paying in federal income taxes. We'll still end up saving money and it will all go towards Texas. I won't be paying taxes to pay for someone to study the mating habits of butterflies at Berkley.


Im reading a lot about so called leftist and wuss studies, like international law, journalism and even english. So far so good. But would anyone please enlighten me which studies are for the tough conservatives? Im just inerested to know the situation in american colleges.
Well, I'm in medicine. I have a PharmD, which is a Doctor of Pharmacy. I can't say that there's too many "tough" ones in this field, but I can vouch for the amount of conservatives.

[IraGlacialis]

Im reading a lot about so called leftist and wuss studies, like international law, journalism and even english. So far so good. But would anyone please enlighten me which studies are for the tough conservatives? Im just inerested to know the situation in american colleges.
Engineering and the sciences...

**** yeah.

[B_706K]

Engineering and the sciences...

**** yeah.
That's what all the Jihadists study too apparently (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164826).. p-)

[Sand Man]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3254/beckhambag5970950.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/beckhambag5970950.jpg/)
man bags

You can blame Keiffer Sutherland and Will Smith for that one.

[IraGlacialis]

That's what all the Jihadists study too apparently (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164826).. p-)
Ah... so that is the current strategy of the poly science majors to defame us.

Though yeah, there are quite a bit of Arab, mostly Saudis, at our school (third largest foreign group after Indians, and the Chinese). They are all pretty much petrol engineering.
Even then, the campus is not one of political correctness.

I remember in my chemistry class, there was a presentation done on spectrophotometry because that was what was to be done in lab. Well a picture of Avicenna popped up due to him being the Father of Optics.
The TA in charge began his sentence with "This towel-headed man..."
Suffice to say, the whole auditorium laughed or did a mock "Oooh...". THe best part was that there were more than a couple Arabs in the audience and two of the four TAs were Indian. No complaints.

[drevil5000]

Supporting your troops is fine. But there is really no need for a county's soldiers to be permanently stationed in a foreign country.

I mean the fact that the US has troops all over the world is likely to be the cause of future conflict.

[PALADIN]

Supporting your troops is fine. But there is really no need for a county's soldiers to be permanently stationed in a foreign country.

I mean the fact that the US has troops all over the world is likely to be the cause of future conflict.

How exactly, may I ask?

[drevil5000]

How exactly, may I ask?

The US is a hostile country, just look at how busy their army has been over the last 50 years.

Placing a hostile force at another country's doorstep could provoke them into starting a war.

How would americans like it if russia or iran or north korea stationed 200,000 men in mexico?

[Elbs]

Yeah watchout drevil5000. Those evil Americans are on their way to your paradise homeland right now to come and steal your native womanz, all of your oil, water, animals, foodstuffs and precious Selenium reserves.

[drevil5000]

Yeah watchout drevil5000. Those evil Americans are on their way to your paradise homeland right now to come and steal your native womanz, all of your oil, water, animals, foodstuffs and precious Selenium reserves.

lol, we've got no oil. Loads of gold and diamonds though. But I guess they don't need that so we safe for the time being.

[MichaelF]

Engineering and the sciences...

**** yeah.


QFthe****ingTruth.

Geological Engineering (+MS Civil). University of Mississippi, c/o 2001.

[MichaelF]

I mean the fact that the US has troops all over the world is likely to be the cause of future conflict.

So would not having US troops all over the World.

[drevil5000]

So would not having US troops all over the World.

I highly doubt that.

[CMNot]

sciences...

Science and Conservatives.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

[brainplay]

Yeah watchout drevil5000. Those evil Americans are on their way to your paradise homeland right now to come and steal your native womanz, all of your oil, water, animals, foodstuffs and precious Selenium reserves.


Well, the womanz and foodstuffs for sure..... p-)