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Xingbake
07-08-2004, 01:26 PM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/26799799920.jpg

platform389
07-08-2004, 01:41 PM
...and the countermeasures

Version 1

Mine Roller...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/mcrs_M1-mine-clearing-roller.jpg

and in case the silly enemy decides to use double impulse mines, that has been covered as well.

Mine Plow...

http://members.aol.com/panzersgt2/gallery/m1/plow.jpg

Ichhabe
07-09-2004, 05:52 AM
Nice AT-mines. Specially that in picture B look like a doomsday machine. :D

platform389 said:


and in case the silly enemy decides to use double impulse mines, that has been covered as well.

The only enemy that is silly is the ones that underestimate their enemy and those who doesn't cover their minefields.

A minefield is not made for destroying tanks, just so you know it. ;)
If it do so, consider it a bonus. :D

Mark Sman
07-09-2004, 06:13 AM
Ja Ja

An undefended minefield is just a sign that the enemy can't employ his engineer assets well.

Agreed. The pie plate story is the teaching aide used to illustrate the value of mines.

One might argue that IED's in Iraq are undefended minefields.

It is of note that they are militarily ineffective in the grand scheme.

Despite that they take a human toll. Which is murderous and unfortunate.

Sorry, sidetracked myself on that one.

platform389
07-09-2004, 06:22 AM
A minefield is not made for destroying tanks, just so you know it. ;)


Actually, I think the proper term is "area denial".

The primary reason for my post was show countermeasures were readily available to defeat the illustrated AT mines. In reality, the plow equipped armor would proof lanes through the field after the MICLIC had been first used.

http://www.nc.ngb.army.mil/jvb/25July2002/25July2002pics/DH11.gif


Consider a complex obstacle consisting of wire, minefields, and antitank ditches. After completing the preamble to the breach (reconnaissance, planning, assembly of equipment, etc.), the breach begins with removing the wire, typically accomplished by soldiers using wire cutters, bangalore torpedoes, or an M58 mine-clearing line charge (MICLIC). Their efforts may be complicated by antipersonnel mines and fires. After the soldiers create a lane in the wire, they fire a series of MICLICs into the minefield. The number of MICLICs needed depends on the linear depth of the minefield. When the first MICLIC is fired, the breach site is immediately visible to the enemy. After each MICLIC is fired, the lane must be proofed, typically with a mine roller or plow mounted on an M1 tank. Using current allocation rules and the decreased size of the Force XXI combined arms battalion, 30 percent of the combat vehicles are required to push either rollers or plows. The resulting lane is cleared only along the width of the M1 tank tracks, requiring that additional passes or sappers improve the lane for follow-on forces.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/97grizzly.gif

The new Grizzly armored engineer vehicle will also be used in the obstacle breaching role.

http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/griz2.jpg

Yard Ape
07-09-2004, 01:12 PM
The new Grizzly armored engineer vehicle will also be used in the obstacle breaching role. Sorry. Grizzly was canceled. You won't see it except for old pictures now.

platform389
07-09-2004, 03:18 PM
The new Grizzly armored engineer vehicle will also be used in the obstacle breaching role. Sorry. Grizzly was canceled. You won't see it except for old pictures now.

Of course you are correct. Gotta stop posting half asleep... :slap: