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Shuimo
09-15-2009, 10:47 AM
Do you think this wud really work to premote democracy in China?




Source: Xinhua
[21:34 September 15 2009]

Signs of democratic reform became evident in the grassroots of the Communist Party of China (CPC), as it made "Party building" its top priority at the fourth plenary session of the 17th CPC Central Committee starting Tuesday.
A draft framework for "Party building" will be deliberated during the four-day session.
CHANGES IN CPC'S GRASSROOTS
Wang Qi, head of the organization department of the Nanjing city committee of the CPC, said direct elections had this year been carried out in CPC committees in 363 neighborhoods in Nanjing, capital of east China's Jiangsu Province.
"The time is ripe to extend democratic reform to the city level, which will be the first time in the CPC's rule," he said.
He did not give specific scheduling for such elections.
A direct election was carried out in one neighborhood in 2004 in Nanjing, the city chosen to pioneer intra-Party democracy, with direct elections as one of its forms of implementation.
The move is considered a significant sign to boost the CPC's desire to advance its internal democracy which, it is anticipated, will drive ahead the building of democracy in Chinese society, said Cai Xia, a professor with the Party School of the CPC Central Committee.
INTERNAL REFORM TO SPARK POLITICAL REFORM
"To a great extent, the progress of China's political reform rests with the development of CPC's intra-Party democratic reform, which is essential to optimize Party organization," Cai said.
During the Party's 60 years of rule after the founding of New China, the society has undergone great changes, and the number of CPC members has increased from 4.4 million in 1949 to 76 million.
"It is imperative the Party reform its highly centralized organization into a democratic, institutionalized system to catch up with profound social change," she said.
CALLS FOR INTERNAL REFORM
At the 16th National Congress of the CPC in 2002, intra-Party democracy was stressed as the lifeblood of the Party, said Yu Keping, a well-known political commentator and deputy director of the Central Compilation and Translation Bureau.
He said the democratic reform aimed to empower individual Party members and increase transparency and intra-Party supervision.
He noted the word "democracy" had appeared more than 60 times in Hu Jintao's report to the 17th CPC National Congress on Oct 15, 2007.
"We will expand intra-Party democracy to develop people's democracy and increase intra-Party harmony to promote social harmony," Hu, the Party's top leader, said at the congress.
Many political observers noted the Party chief had reiterated the importance of intra-Party democracy a day ahead of the Party's 88th birthday on July 1 this year.
Hu said the realization of intra-Party democracy must rely on the guarantee of all Party members' democratic rights to know, to participate, to vote and to supervise all internal affairs of the Party.
He said mechanisms to ensure democracy -- such as CPC congresses at all levels, and the systems of election, supervision, evaluation and promotion of officials -- must be improved.
DEMOCRACY: CPC'S TOP TASK FOR FUTURE RULE
"Through the CPC's 88 years of life, it took the Party 28 years to achieve national independence, another 30 years to make the country strong, then 30 years to realize its economic take-off.
The Party is right on the threshold of the next 30 years, and pressing ahead with democratic reform is the nature of the times," said professor Cai.
She said democracy has the inherent nature of growth.
"Once it is unleashed, we can only go forward and never back," she said.
She advised the Party to set up a high-level institution to monitor progress, as intra-Party democratic reform has been carried out at preliminary levels step by step.
"The institution can plan strategy and make timely corrections if problems appear," she said.
http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/commentary/2009-09/468072_2.html

Smiling_Wolf
09-15-2009, 12:03 PM
Sounds like good news - it would be even better though if non-CCP guys would be allowed to run for office, because if I had a choice between corrupt official A or corrupt official B...?

And how credible is Xinhua anyway? Isn't all Chinese media state-controlled? :|

Solvent
09-15-2009, 12:20 PM
Sounds like good news - it would be even better though if non-CCP guys would be allowed to run for office, because if I had a choice between corrupt official A or corrupt official B...?

And how credible is Xinhua anyway? Isn't all Chinese media state-controlled? :|

Change is still better than stand still.

Xinhua is pretty reliable news resource to me. It's an official news agency, the stuff they report is supposed to be verified.

Ordie
09-15-2009, 01:29 PM
It's interesting that this news comes from the more conservative / nationalist Global Times (owned by the Communist Party)

Was this specific article printed in the Chinese version?

Sometimes the content and tone of the articles are different depending on the translation.

Question: Who is eligible to vote? Party members only or the general population?

Ordie
09-15-2009, 01:31 PM
Change is still better than stand still.

Xinhua is pretty reliable news resource to me. It's an official news agency, the stuff they report is supposed to be verified.
It's not Xinhua but Global Times.

Xinhua is owned by PRC Public Information Department (Propaganda)
Global Times is owned by the Chinese Communist Party

Ordie
09-15-2009, 01:33 PM
And how credible is Xinhua anyway? Isn't all Chinese media state-controlled? :|

Yep.

But there's alot of self censorship going on as well.

Solvent
09-15-2009, 02:09 PM
It's not Xinhua but Global Times.

Xinhua is owned by PRC Public Information Department (Propaganda)
Global Times is owned by the Chinese Communist Party

Global Times is hardly qualified as a credible news source. It's more like weird collection of news.

Delay
09-15-2009, 03:36 PM
Global Times is hardly qualified as a credible news source. It's more like weird collection of news.

Hey if your looking for credible news source check out Al Hurra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhurra

Smiling_Wolf
09-15-2009, 04:57 PM
Global Times is hardly qualified as a credible news source. It's more like weird collection of news.

Neither is Xinhua, it seems.

Basically we should take the article with a grain of salt, because this could just be something designed to quell the masses.

Solvent
09-15-2009, 05:29 PM
Saying regarding the issue has been go around quite a while. It's been said they are gonna try out in Shenzhen.

domokun
09-15-2009, 05:50 PM
Could work for China and would improve things a lot, of course assuming that there is something that resembles truth in news.

Controlled change tends to go better for all involved factions than collapses of system, like it did happen in Soviet Union. China will have increasing pressure from inside to change it's system to more democratic or at least to one where authorities are more responsible and accountable to people. Pressure will increase due to fact that population will become better educated and more aware of their situation.

Ordie
09-15-2009, 06:37 PM
Could work for China and would improve things a lot, of course assuming that there is something that resembles truth in news.

Controlled change tends to go better for all involved factions than collapses of system, like it did happen in Soviet Union. China will have increasing pressure from inside to change it's system to more democratic or at least to one where authorities are more responsible and accountable to people. Pressure will increase due to fact that population will become better educated and more aware of their situation.

Why not defer much of the policymaking to the National People's Congress? Instead of meeting once a year, why not all year round?

Shuimo
09-16-2009, 01:22 PM
It's not Xinhua but Global Times.

Xinhua is owned by PRC Public Information Department (Propaganda)
Global Times is owned by the Chinese Communist Party

Does that really matter since PRC Public Information Department is also controlled by CPC?

Shuimo
09-16-2009, 01:23 PM
Why not defer much of the policymaking to the National People's Congress? Instead of meeting once a year, why not all year round?

NPC is controlled by and made up of CPC!
Does it matter?

Ordie
09-16-2009, 01:33 PM
NPC is controlled by and made up of CPC!
Does it matter?

Yes.

You don't need to re-invent the wheel.

You have an existing body of representatives from all parts of China including Taiwan, Hong Hong, Macao and the overseas Chinese communities.

Instead of individual petitioners risking thier lives in getting Beijing's attention. You have these representatives who can speak on thier behalf.

By giving the NPC more policymaking power, you are also giving more legitimacy to the government at large.

Shuimo
09-16-2009, 01:42 PM
Yes.

You don't need to re-invent the wheel.

You have an existing body of representatives from all parts of China including Taiwan, Hong Hong, Macao and the overseas Chinese communities.

Instead of individual petitioners risking thier lives in getting Beijing's attention. You have these representatives who can speak on thier behalf.

By giving the NPC more policymaking power, you are also giving more legitimacy to the government at large.


Do you know what NPC has as its function?

It is a joke of representative politics!
NPC has the nickname of being a rubber stamp among the Chinese!
By that, we mean NPC just knows nothing but certifying any proposed bills by the CPC!

Its existence is just for SHOW, just like many others things the CPC boasts that China has!
Its representatives are mockery of the veryword!
They cann't represent anybody but the wishes and wills of the CPC as they are strictly hand-picked and controlled by the CPC!

Ordie
09-16-2009, 02:15 PM
Do you know what NPC has as its function?

It is a joke of representative politics!
NPC has the nickname of being a rubber stamp among the Chinese!
By that, we mean NPC just knows nothing but certifying any proposed bills by the CPC!

Its existence is just for SHOW, just like many others things the CPC boasts that China has!
Its representatives are mockery of the veryword!
They cann't represent anybody but the wishes and wills of the CPC as they are strictly hand-picked and controlled by the CPC!

I do know its a rubber stamp.
But there is a possibility to give it a real purpose as per the Constitution of the PRC.

Shuimo
09-16-2009, 02:29 PM
I do know its a rubber stamp.
But there is a possibility to give it a real purpose as per the Constitution of the PRC.
The Constitution of the PRC states that the CPC has to be the LEADING force of all the Chinese people of all ethnicities!

Ordie
09-16-2009, 03:08 PM
The Constitution of the PRC states that the CPC has to be the LEADING force of all the Chinese people of all ethnicities!


Article 2. All power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. The organs through which the people exercise state power are the National People's Congress and the local people's congresses at different levels. The people administer state affairs and manage economic, cultural and social affairs through various channels and in various ways in accordance with the law

Just quoting your constitution.

Shuimo
09-16-2009, 03:22 PM
Just quoting your constitution.

That is true!
All power of the state resides in the Chinese people!
The CPC never denies that and uses that very skilfully to win goodwill and support!

But mind you, in the very introduction to the PRC constitution (revised version 2004),
it clearly states, all the Chinese people of all ethnic backgrounds wud COME UNDER the CPC's LEADERSHIP for their socialist modernization drive!