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Shuimo
09-16-2009, 03:06 PM
The Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu slams the report as product of cold war mentality!

DO you think the report echoes cold war mentality?


September 16, 2009
By Andrew F. Tully
WASHINGTON -- Dennis Blair, the top U.S. intelligence official, has issued a new report that says Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea pose the greatest challenges to the United States' national interests.

Iran and North Korea's inclusion won't surprise anyone, but Russia and China are somewhat unexpected.

The National Intelligence Strategy report -- compiled every four years -- says Moscow and Washington share the goal of securing their nuclear weapons to keep them out of the wrong hands. But it also says that Russia "may continue to seek avenues for reasserting power and influence in ways that complicate U.S. interests."

As for China, which trades regularly with the United States and owns billions of its national debt, the report says Beijing competes for the same resources the United States needs, and is in the process of rapidly modernizing its military.

Anthony Cordesman, a former intelligence analyst for the U.S. State and Defense departments, says overestimating these challenges would be a mistake, but Washington has to keep its eye on both countries.

Cordesman, who is now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says China is a significant military power both in terms of nuclear and conventional weapons. Add to that its hunger for the resources its economy needs to grow, he says, and you've got a competitor to be reckoned with.

"As China becomes one of the world's largest economies, there are real challenges as to where you get scarce minerals, increased energy exports, and other supplies," Cordesman says. "So taking China seriously and looking at it as a potential risk is something that really has to be done. It doesn't make it into an enemy, it doesn't make it into a threat, but you can't emerge as this big a power without becoming a subject of concern."

Russia's 'Potential Risk'

Russia, too, presents problems for the United States, Cordesman says. It's a former empire that has yet to stabilize its economy and to establish a stable democratic system.

It's also an enormous nuclear power and looms over Central and Eastern Europe, as well as Central Asia, in ways that make many uncomfortable.

He says the United States cannot risk not closely monitoring its former Cold War foe.

"When you look at what is still the world's second-largest nuclear power and second-largest military power and a key exporter of military technology and a country with vast international influence, to not look at it as a potential risk would be unrealistic and a failure on the part of the intelligence community," Cordesman says.

As with China, however, Cordesman says that's no reason to look upon Russia as hostile.

Cordesman also agrees with the National Intelligence Strategy report's conclusion that Iran is a challenge to U.S. policy not only in the Middle East but also in Afghanistan, because of its nuclear and missile programs and its assistance to militants the United States considers terrorists.

"In all these areas, Iran is a critical power, and it is one the United States has to see as at least a potential adversary for the very good reason that Iran has constantly declared that it is hostile to the United States and to the allies of the United States," he says.

A U.S. representative will probably attend talks next month with Iran, along with the four other permanent members of the UN Security Council -- Britain, China, France, and Russia -- and Germany.

Among the report's other findings is that the United States is now less vulnerable to Al-Qaeda and allied militant groups because it understands them better than ever.

But it stresses that these groups, particularly Al-Qaeda, are still trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction to use against the West.

http://www.rferl.org/content/Intelligence_Report_Lists_Russia_China_As_Top_US_Concerns_/1823807.html

Van Gogh
09-16-2009, 03:10 PM
thats bs, russia and china are the least of our worries. this information makes our country look like its going to take out anyone who tops the world power list above us and thats not true. we're not out for world power. or are we.....?

2495
09-16-2009, 03:11 PM
Not suprised at all.

Russia builds the arms and ships them to China, meaning the USA has to spend more to counter the Chinese (which are their real concern).

Along side that, Russia has many times veto'd any actions against Iran by the West, and this is seen as unfriendly at the best.

So all in all, suprised? no. China is a very real threat to regional stability over the next 10-15 years or more, and this is not helped at all by the sudden surge of very advanced materials and equipment supplied to them.

Heck, if you look at alot of the Pdf files coming out of the USA about future stealth airframes, they are mostly all about combatting the Chinese.

Shuimo
09-16-2009, 03:30 PM
thats bs, russia and china are the least of our worries. this information makes our country look like its going to take out anyone who tops the world power list above us and thats not true. we're not out for world power. or are we.....?

I think you have grabbed the crux of the prob!

Gammelpreusse
09-16-2009, 03:49 PM
politics at work, read between the lines. especially the russians will feel absolutely delighted to read that.

TR1
09-16-2009, 03:57 PM
Wow, and everyone here claiming Russia is at the bottom of the power list....lol.

Henry's Fork
09-16-2009, 05:38 PM
When the number of caught Russian spies and poison or shoddy goods reach the level of the Chinese LuLz, then i will worry about Russia.

Until then, its just the Rus StrOng!11 Crew we have to worry about. ;)

Red_Fern
09-16-2009, 05:43 PM
When the number of caught Russian spies and poison or shoddy goods reach the level of the Chinese LuLz, then i will worry about Russia.

Until then, its just the Rus StrOng!11 Crew we have to worry about. ;)

x2 rofl rofl

I honestly am a bit surprised China and Russia would make the list... I know we've had our differences, but I didn't think anything there'd still be a "Cold War Mentality" in a report released recently. Interesting to note, though.

Wonder what a hypothetically similar report released in China or Russia would read.

TR1
09-16-2009, 07:23 PM
When the number of caught Russian spies and poison or shoddy goods reach the level of the Chinese LuLz, then i will worry about Russia.

Until then, its just the Rus StrOng!11 Crew we have to worry about. ;)
Generally military strategists are worried about countries with such massive arsenals such as Russia or China....well that's it really no one else comes close. Wonder why everyone is shocked about it.

Gammelpreusse
09-16-2009, 07:54 PM
Generally military strategists are worried about countries with such massive arsenals such as Russia or China....well that's it really no one else comes close. Wonder why everyone is shocked about it.


Would you say that article bolstered your self confidence and made you content, maybe resulting in less agressiveness?p-)

deagle
09-17-2009, 12:51 AM
if we see them as adversaries, they'll act like so. imagine if we see them as friends and allies instead of seeking confrontation ?

besides, their respective reports would say we're a concern also. big whoop.

Flamming_Python
09-17-2009, 05:32 AM
politics at work, read between the lines. especially the russians will feel absolutely delighted to read that.


Would you say that article bolstered your self confidence and made you content, maybe resulting in less agressiveness?p-)

Right, because 'bolstering' Russia's confidence and 'delighting' its ego would really translate into greater Western acceptance of Russian interests. Or maybe not.

I don't know where this ridiculous belief comes from, possibly from some dillusional Europeans :), but no amount of smooth talk or 'easing Russian concerns' will actually result in Russia changing its stance. That pretty much amounts to the 'good cop, bad cop routine', with both the EU and the US using different tactics and pretending to be different world players; but in actuality sharing the same strategic objectives and being equally uncompromising about their expansionism; and thinking that such a trick can actually fool anyone.

Gammelpreusse
09-17-2009, 05:57 AM
Right, because 'bolstering' Russia's confidence and 'delighting' its ego would really translate into greater Western acceptance of Russian interests. Or maybe not.

I don't know where this ridiculous belief comes from, possibly from some dillusional Europeans :), but no amount of smooth talk or 'easing Russian concerns' will actually result in Russia changing its stance. That pretty much amounts to the 'good cop, bad cop routine', with both the EU and the US using different tactics and pretending to be different world players; but in actuality sharing the same strategic objectives and being equally uncompromising about their expansionism; and thinking that such a trick can actually fool anyone.

Python, you floozie! Going to bed with another poster in that other thread and then coming here! Shame on you! :bash:

That said, so far this thread, and especially russian reactions, have been going pretty much exactly as expected.

Given the diplomatic misfits between much of Europe and the US, especially in regards to Russia, I do not think "good cop, bad cop" works at all, as this requires a predefined tactic by these cops. Hardly the case in regards to Russia. But then again, usually people always see what they want to see =)

Dragonscript
09-17-2009, 11:38 AM
http://www.dni.gov/reports/2009_NIS.pdf

From the report:

A number of nation-states have the ability to
challenge U.S. interests in traditional (e.g., military
force and espionage) and emerging (e.g., cyber operations)
ways.

• Iran poses an array of challenges to U.S. security
objectives in the Middle East and beyond
because of its nuclear and missile programs,
support of terrorism, and provision of lethal aid
to U.S. and Coalition adversaries.
• North Korea continues to threaten peace and
security in East Asia because of its sustained
pursuit of nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities,
its transfer of these capabilities to third
parties, its erratic behavior, and its large conventional
military capability.
• China shares many interests with the United
States, but its increasing natural resource-focused
diplomacy and military modernization
are among the factors making it a complex
global challenge.
• Russia is a U.S. partner in important initiatives
such as securing fissile material and combating
nuclear terrorism, but it may continue to seek
avenues for reasserting power and influence in
ways that complicate U.S. interests.

There also may be opportunities for cooperation with
many nation-states, including those cited above, in
support of common interests that include promoting
rule of law, representative government, free and fair
trade, energy, and redress of troublesome transnational
issues.


And that is just one part, of three, that is the introduction. The other two parts are non-state actors and transnational forces. China and Russia have a long, complicated history with the US and its not surprising that they would be listed as concerns.