Task Force Dagger: any good?

[Yosy]

I saw this book for sale and thought of buying it, but first I would like to know what my fellow military buffs think about it. Is the nook good?

[BusterHyman]

Is this written by Robin Moore? If so it is an excellent book.

[moughoun]

Especially the bit's about Mr Idema, he's superman you know swoon p-)

[MetalBoy]

Especially the bit's about Mr Idema, he's superman you know swoon p-)

Yeah I know, I'm surprised he hasn't used his laser x-ray vision to break out of his Afghan holdng cell yet. He's probably just waiting until Robin Moore comes back so he can write about what is really going on there now. :lol:

[Dennis G]

Great book, read it

[scm77]

I read it a few months ago. It was really good.

It had some more info about the units that were featured in the "Inside Special Forces" movie that was circling around here. woot

[Dalleer]

I'm currently reading it , and I say that it certainly is full of some good info.

Surely you must read it...

[DPGLAW]

I've read that book 6 times since I bought it and I loved it every time. I would reccomend that book highly to anyone who is into modern military.....However, do not bother reading the HUNT for SADDAM....I found that one pretty boring..they talk about SF for mabye like 10 pages, the whole book is basically robin moore tooting his own horn and the only other thing he really talks about is the 4th ID...and it's just plain boring, but his BIN LADEN book, TF DAGGER, is great...

on a related subject, thats why I find it hard to believe that Jack Idema is a fraud, I don't think he would of been praised so highly if he were a fraud, generally authors like their non-fiction books to be jsut that- non fiction and historically accurate. Thats why I really sdon't believe this stuff that I have read that Mr. Idema is a fraud, I don't think he is. If someone has some knowledge and proof that I am wrong I invite you to please share it as if I am wrong I would like you to correct me.

[fantassin]

TF dagger is cover to cover junk; here are a few reader's reports from amazon.com:

Reviewer: Tom (see more about me) from Loganville, Ga


This is a book that show how a few hundred Special Forces troops took over a country.
While the U.S. wanted to do something in Afghanistan, our regular military had no plan. A SF Colonel had a plan, which was implemented. Our men made alliances with the groups fighting the Taliban, and brought in air strikes to kill most of the enemy. Northen Alliance men killed many of the others.

Robin Moore writes a cheerleading book about the Special Forces.
Unfortunatley, if you are not SF, you are incompetent, in this book. He denigates the Air Force types there helping target the Taliban. REgular Army, especially Tommy Franks is dumped on.
From other stuff I have read, a lot of Robin Moore's information is not accurate, such as the torture of Mike Spann.

If you want to know about the hunt for Bin Laden, this is not the book.

Moore uses a lot of comic book phrasing, as when he describes an SF sniper knocking over the Taliban like tenpins.
There were SAS and SEALS in the fight too, but not noted.

Apparently Robin Moore wrote a book based on the recall of a convicted felon, Idema.

It reads like a movie script, which it may become some day.

One facet gone into is the financial devastation that occurs to the family of slain soldiers.

This book is about the only detailed account of the battle at that time.
It was a great success due to a bunch of brave men that Moore writes about. But there were others that he did not include, anyone not a Green Beret. --This text refers to the Paperback edition



Mr Robin is a liar ..., June 2, 2004

Reviewer: A reader from San-Francisco


When you know very well about some facts and these facts are transformed in a book, you wonder if the rest of this book is true. For example, we know that that the bravo two zero mission was a total disaster and that the SAS did not discover any Scud. However, mr Robin tells us that this mission was very succesful an that the members of this patrol killed thousand (is that hundreds ?) of iraqis. We also know that no green beret was behind the enemy lines at that time more than a few hours. Only the SAS were.
How could Saddam buy Mirage 2000 spare parts to the french when he did not have any of these aircrafts ?
Where are the WMD and the laboratories that were found by the special forces at the end of this war ?
When you allow yourself to lie on very well known facts, all the rest must be lies and only LIES. It must be also known that the al qaeda that wers killed in Afghanistan were killed mostly by the air force, the us navy an usmc aircrafts, not by the green berets. pointing a laser device from a distance does not make you a warrior. A kid can do that. The SAS are good, fighting with them does not mean that YOU are.


What is a truth?, April 17, 2004

Reviewer: A reader from USA

I do not believe Moore is telling the full truth about what really happening in Afghanistan during US war against Taliban. I am skeptical that he is telling us the truth. I understand the need to protect classified activities. But the most important thing is what is a truth?

1. I do not care about how many soldiers are there.
2. I do not care about how many people are live in Afghanistan.
3. I do not care about oil.
4. I do not care about what languages that Afghans speak.
5. I do not care about US government's reasons for war in Afghanistan.
6. I do not care how many wars have we learned from the lessons.
7. I do not care what do you think about this book.
8. One thing that I care is truth.

Most people does not know what is truth. I know what is a truth. I can define truth. But I am not telling you what does truth mean. Most people does not know how to telling the truth.

TRUTH IS THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON.

Good review of SOF in Afghanistan, April 15, 2004

Reviewer: Major David Watkins, US Marine Corps from Yuma, AZ
This book was a good read about the behind the scenes activites that occured during Operation Enduring Freedom. The author is openly biased against all other US military forces which was a disappointment. The author seems to put the Green Berets on a pedestal where they did and could never do any wrong. That is the major drawback in this book. The author could have been more objective in that regard, but I still enjoyed it. It gives a very good glimpse of the special operations and tactics used in conjunction with the Northern Alliance forces.











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A terrible book and a betrayal of trust, March 31, 2004



Reviewer: A reader from Charlotte, NC USA
I missed meeting Robin Moore by a few hours at K2 and I am glad that I did. This book is an embarrassment to SF and betrayal of the trust that SF has placed in Mr. Moore. Most all of the people mentioned by name in the book had asked and been promised by Mr. Moore to mention them by first name only and not to use their photos. This promise was broken.

The Rah Rah comic book style of the writing is an insult to the professionalism of the Special Operations Community. If you want to know why Robin Moores new book is nothing more that a paste up of news clippings, his unprofessional actions in writing this book is your answer.

[moughoun]

I've read that book 6 times since I bought it and I loved it every time. I would reccomend that book highly to anyone who is into modern military.....However, do not bother reading the HUNT for SADDAM....I found that one pretty boring..they talk about SF for mabye like 10 pages, the whole book is basically robin moore tooting his own horn and the only other thing he really talks about is the 4th ID...and it's just plain boring, but his BIN LADEN book, TF DAGGER, is great...

on a related subject, thats why I find it hard to believe that Jack Idema is a fraud, I don't think he would of been praised so highly if he were a fraud, generally authors like their non-fiction books to be jsut that- non fiction and historically accurate. Thats why I really sdon't believe this stuff that I have read that Mr. Idema is a fraud, I don't think he is. If someone has some knowledge and proof that I am wrong I invite you to please share it as if I am wrong I would like you to correct me.

Well the simple answer is,he claim's to have been a Green beret, he wasn't he was a para rigger with a sfga, but that is a support mos not a sf mos and his bs rolled on from there btw Robin Moore has never met a Green beret he didn't like, real or other wise, and his lack of judgement is evidenced by the way he talk's down other US special operation's forces, especially SEAL's

[moughoun]

TF dagger is cover to cover junk; here are a few reader's reports from amazon.com:

Reviewer: Tom (see more about me) from Loganville, Ga


This is a book that show how a few hundred Special Forces troops took over a country.
While the U.S. wanted to do something in Afghanistan, our regular military had no plan. A SF Colonel had a plan, which was implemented. Our men made alliances with the groups fighting the Taliban, and brought in air strikes to kill most of the enemy. Northen Alliance men killed many of the others.

Robin Moore writes a cheerleading book about the Special Forces.
Unfortunatley, if you are not SF, you are incompetent, in this book. He denigates the Air Force types there helping target the Taliban. REgular Army, especially Tommy Franks is dumped on.
From other stuff I have read, a lot of Robin Moore's information is not accurate, such as the torture of Mike Spann.

If you want to know about the hunt for Bin Laden, this is not the book.

Moore uses a lot of comic book phrasing, as when he describes an SF sniper knocking over the Taliban like tenpins.
There were SAS and SEALS in the fight too, but not noted.

Apparently Robin Moore wrote a book based on the recall of a convicted felon, Idema.

It reads like a movie script, which it may become some day.

One facet gone into is the financial devastation that occurs to the family of slain soldiers.

This book is about the only detailed account of the battle at that time.
It was a great success due to a bunch of brave men that Moore writes about. But there were others that he did not include, anyone not a Green Beret. --This text refers to the Paperback edition



Mr Robin is a liar ..., June 2, 2004

Reviewer: A reader from San-Francisco


When you know very well about some facts and these facts are transformed in a book, you wonder if the rest of this book is true. For example, we know that that the bravo two zero mission was a total disaster and that the SAS did not discover any Scud. However, mr Robin tells us that this mission was very succesful an that the members of this patrol killed thousand (is that hundreds ?) of iraqis. We also know that no green beret was behind the enemy lines at that time more than a few hours. Only the SAS were.
How could Saddam buy Mirage 2000 spare parts to the french when he did not have any of these aircrafts ?
Where are the WMD and the laboratories that were found by the special forces at the end of this war ?
When you allow yourself to lie on very well known facts, all the rest must be lies and only LIES. It must be also known that the al qaeda that wers killed in Afghanistan were killed mostly by the air force, the us navy an usmc aircrafts, not by the green berets. pointing a laser device from a distance does not make you a warrior. A kid can do that. The SAS are good, fighting with them does not mean that YOU are.


What is a truth?, April 17, 2004

Reviewer: A reader from USA

I do not believe Moore is telling the full truth about what really happening in Afghanistan during US war against Taliban. I am skeptical that he is telling us the truth. I understand the need to protect classified activities. But the most important thing is what is a truth?

1. I do not care about how many soldiers are there.
2. I do not care about how many people are live in Afghanistan.
3. I do not care about oil.
4. I do not care about what languages that Afghans speak.
5. I do not care about US government's reasons for war in Afghanistan.
6. I do not care how many wars have we learned from the lessons.
7. I do not care what do you think about this book.
8. One thing that I care is truth.

Most people does not know what is truth. I know what is a truth. I can define truth. But I am not telling you what does truth mean. Most people does not know how to telling the truth.

TRUTH IS THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON.

Good review of SOF in Afghanistan, April 15, 2004

Reviewer: Major David Watkins, US Marine Corps from Yuma, AZ
This book was a good read about the behind the scenes activites that occured during Operation Enduring Freedom. The author is openly biased against all other US military forces which was a disappointment. The author seems to put the Green Berets on a pedestal where they did and could never do any wrong. That is the major drawback in this book. The author could have been more objective in that regard, but I still enjoyed it. It gives a very good glimpse of the special operations and tactics used in conjunction with the Northern Alliance forces.











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A terrible book and a betrayal of trust, March 31, 2004



Reviewer: A reader from Charlotte, NC USA
I missed meeting Robin Moore by a few hours at K2 and I am glad that I did. This book is an embarrassment to SF and betrayal of the trust that SF has placed in Mr. Moore. Most all of the people mentioned by name in the book had asked and been promised by Mr. Moore to mention them by first name only and not to use their photos. This promise was broken.

The Rah Rah comic book style of the writing is an insult to the professionalism of the Special Operations Community. If you want to know why Robin Moores new book is nothing more that a paste up of news clippings, his unprofessional actions in writing this book is your answer.

I compleatly agree

[DLodge]

I've read that book 6 times since I bought it and I loved it every time. I would reccomend that book highly to anyone who is into modern military.....However, do not bother reading the HUNT for SADDAM....I found that one pretty boring..they talk about SF for mabye like 10 pages, the whole book is basically robin moore tooting his own horn and the only other thing he really talks about is the 4th ID...and it's just plain boring, but his BIN LADEN book, TF DAGGER, is great...

on a related subject, thats why I find it hard to believe that Jack Idema is a fraud, I don't think he would of been praised so highly if he were a fraud, generally authors like their non-fiction books to be jsut that- non fiction and historically accurate. Thats why I really sdon't believe this stuff that I have read that Mr. Idema is a fraud, I don't think he is. If someone has some knowledge and proof that I am wrong I invite you to please share it as if I am wrong I would like you to correct me.
Go to SOCNET, register, and do a search for both Robin Moore and Jack Idema.

[Yosy]

Exactly what I was afraid of: a gung-ho book. Defenetly not on my to-buy list

[taiaha]

Exactly what I was afraid of: a gung-ho book. Defenetly not on my to-buy list

Yup, you're right. Read the book a while ago (from my local library) and I came to the same conclusion.

[kommando]

its still a valid read
and ive read it and thought it was alright
most SF books all they riters spin their own fantiasies abit
but whose to disprove them becuase noone else was there
haha

[Gringo]

Pretty good book. And as it's Robin Moore, he has very good contacts with SF operatives.

[American Patriot]

While Jack Idema may be totally out of his gourd it's a good read.

[cqbrdy]

read the book and decide for yourself,
also if you find the video link here on this site
called "inside the special forces" its a discovery channel movie
alot of what the book says is backed up by the movie.

i read it and started reading the hunt for saddam
and will also read green berets.

becareful with these other sites (socnet),
you get their own personal veiw,
take it with a grain of salt.

[mocking_loudly_died]

I flicked through it at a bookshop, seemed rather silly - lots of emphasis on male ****** fantasies envisaged through over inflated encounters and mass body counts.

Much like a punisher comic, disposable righteousness. If you are 16-18 it will rock your world.

[moughoun]

I flicked through it at a bookshop, seemed rather silly - lots of emphasis on male ****** fantasies envisaged through over inflated encounters and mass body counts.

Much like a punisher comic, disposable righteousness. If you are 16-18 it will rock your world.

Exactly, what was the body count was it in the end, 50,60, 70,000 :roll: , the SF are good, but please, and the way he wrote about it sounded weirdly ******, like it was a game or something :(

[kommando]

that was more exaggeration then him
but as i said they are gunna buff it up abit
its all part of the book industry

anyway read it for yourself you you judge
but i found it a very enjoyable read