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Mango Madness
09-25-2009, 12:07 AM
Russian observers to attend land-based military drills in Japan

25/09/2009
RIA Novosti
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090925/156246544.html
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TOKYO, September 25 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military officials will attend exercises of Japan's ground self-defense forces for the first time in the history of relations between the two countries, a Russian diplomatic source told RIA Novosti on Friday.

A group of Russian military observers has been invited to monitor the drills of the 7th tank division, which is part of the Northern Army deployed on the island of Hokkaido.

"It is the first visit of Russian military observers for land-based exercises of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces (JSDF). It is important to note that the drills will be held on Japan's most northern island, which is the closest to the Russian border," the source at the Russian embassy in Japan told RIA Novosti.

"The fact that the Russian officials were given access to the 'sanctum sanctorum' of the JSDF - the Northern Army could be rightfully called a historic event," the source added.

According to the source, the visit will continue from September 28 until October 2. The Russian military officials will monitor live-firing drills conducted by the 7th tank division, and visit the headquarters of the Northern Army.

The first official contacts between the Russian and Japanese defense ministries date back to 1993. The countries signed a "Memorandum on creating a foundation for the development of dialogue and contacts" in 1999, which was renewed in 2006.

The document envisions consultations between the respective defense ministries, exchange visits of observers and warships and joint sea search-and-rescue drills.

Japanese military observers attended for the first time Russian military exercises in the Leningrad military district in September last year.
The lengthy dispute over the four southern Kuril islands has so far prevented Russia and Japan from signing a formal WWII peace treaty. (http://en.beta.rian.ru/infographics/20090513/121568348.html)The islands were annexed by the Soviet Union at the end of the war.
In 2006 Russia offered to return to Japan the Shikotan and Khabomai islands, with a combined area of just 276 square kilometers (172 square miles), or 6% of the disputed territory, on the condition that Tokyo renounced its claims to the two larger islands, Iturup and Kunashir, whose combined area totals 4,629 square kilometers (2,890 square miles).

Japan rejected the proposal, insisting on its right to all four islands. Japan's parliament infuriated Russia in June by passing a law declaring the islands Japanese territory. (http://en.beta.rian.ru/russia/20090611/155230801.html)

However, new Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama has recently told Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he wants to resolve a territorial dispute with Russia and conclude a peace agreement. (http://en.beta.rian.ru/world/20090923/156230270.html)

Vityaz
09-25-2009, 12:09 AM
Excellent news. Between this, promised island negotiations, and the Russian Far East development project ideas, Russia-Japan relations are really looking good.

goat89
09-25-2009, 01:22 AM
No way they are gonna copy or even see the JGSDF's Independent Armour Battalions!

jaybe
09-25-2009, 01:43 AM
good news. i recall Japan PM have mood to finish all controversies "during present generation"

Mango Madness
09-25-2009, 01:51 AM
good news. i recall Japan PM have mood to finish all controversies "during present generation"

Don't see how that will happen unless "finish all controversies" involves Russia giving up all or most of the islands since the Japanese have been pretty uncompromising on this issue. Their politicians' say that the islands are theirs, their legislature passed a resolution this year calling the islands theirs and last year the government published new school textbook guidelines directing teachers to say that Japan has sovereignty over the islands.

jaybe
09-25-2009, 02:26 AM
Don't see how that will happen unless "finish all controversies" involves Russia giving up all or most of the islands since the Japanese have been pretty uncompromising on this issue. Their politicians' say that the islands are theirs, their legislature passed a resolution this year calling the islands theirs and last year the government published new school textbook guidelines directing teachers to say that Japan has sovereignty over the islands.

i don't see problem to give these islands in change of something very good and big such as strategic partnership

Mango Madness
09-25-2009, 02:53 AM
i don't see problem to give these islands in change of something very good and big such as strategic partnership

Partnerships and relations change, land is eternal.

jaybe
09-25-2009, 02:54 AM
Partnerships and relations change, land is eternal.

Hollywood movies says not

Vityaz
09-25-2009, 02:55 AM
Partnerships and relations change, land is eternal.
Land is eternal, political control over land changes all the time.

Mango Madness
09-25-2009, 03:03 AM
Land is eternal, political control over land changes all the time.

Relations between countries are fickle, they are temporary and change in short spans of time, sometimes from one change of administration to the next or even shorter. Russia has no control over this because bi-lateral relations is a two-way street. Russian land however can stay eternally Russian, far outlasting brief improvements in relations, unless the survival of the country itself is threatened (losing land via war) or the country itself disintegrates.

Elbs
09-25-2009, 03:06 AM
Is Alaska eternally Russian?

Mango Madness
09-25-2009, 03:07 AM
Is Alaska eternally Russian?

I said the land "can" stay eternally Russian if they so choose, unless it is taken away via force. This far outlasts trading the land for a brief improvement in relations with another country, which can turn on a dime, in which case Russia will be left back in the same position it was before, minus the land.

Elbs
09-25-2009, 03:08 AM
Damn I was hoping you guys would take Sarah Palin.

jaybe
09-25-2009, 03:09 AM
Damn I was hoping you guys would take Sarah Palin.

No we'll take Alaska "SarahPalin-free" only :)

JBH22
09-25-2009, 04:21 AM
is there any remote possibility of Russia giving the japanese the kurils islands..
Personally i won't like if they did so.

hulaku
09-25-2009, 04:24 AM
Personally i won't like if they did so.

Any particular reason as to why you would not like it?

JBH22
09-25-2009, 04:29 AM
Any particular reason as to why you would not like it?

its a good compensation for what the japanese did in WW2. they attacked in kalkin-Gol first lost the war against Russians now its their island:|

Marcus Aurelius
09-25-2009, 04:51 AM
I don't mind giving them those islands but only if Russia will get something big out of the deal.
Islands for friendly attitude will not do.

my name again
09-25-2009, 07:42 AM
I don't mind giving them those islands but only if Russia will get something big out of the deal.
Islands for friendly attitude will not do.

Yeah , maybe if they changed these islands for Hokkaido , only then i would think its a good deal.

zg18
09-25-2009, 09:05 AM
is there any remote possibility of Russia giving the japanese the kurils islands..
Personally i won't like if they did so.

I think the dispute is not about all Kurils island chain but for the four islands northeast of Hokaido , if i'm not mistaken?