Men in unmarked car arrest protestor at G20 protests September 24, 2009

[NiNjA!]

Very confusing action. But action non the less!

Note the armed officer in the end of the video, I would argue that this is clearly not a fake arrest.

http://www.youtube.com/v/G8CNa_viKg0 (http://www.youtube.com/vG8CNa_viKg0)

[Annihilator9112]

I don't get it. Why are they protesting the G20 meeting??

Do people Protest everything these days because they have nothing else better to do??

[Itamajus]

Because they use the freedom of speech right.

[Frens]

goodbye protestor p-)

[Britishhawk]

Who is arresting them? And why are they wearing multicam?

[Muddlers]

I'm guessing it's a snatch squad targeting a possible 'leader' or organiser. I have seen some images of FBI law enforcement wearing Multicam and Woodland BDU's. Also the Caucasian one has a concealed holster it appears on his right hip.

Would like to get some more info though! :)

[Evolv5]

Multicam + BDU wearing police officers?

Seriously, tin foil hat time.

I bet they've drugged and converted him now.


Ok, but on a real serious note, that does look like something out of a conspiracy movie. Got me thinking "evil government" in a split second. Why? Simply 'cuz they're wearing camo.

[Steve Andrews]

Don't forget the hand brake.

[B25Hmitchell]

Very confusing action.


That's because you do not see what happened before the camera started rolling.
Are you serious with this thread ?

[N-G-F-O]

That is a good psychological move, aimed, I imagine, at the more 'problematic' demonstrators: 'We will come and go as we please, you won't know we're there until we have you, we'll take whomever we wish, and there's ****-all you can do about it.
Would love to know who the 'we' are though.

[Jµµso]

Alex Jones is going to love this.

[DavidDCM]

Hmm, in Europe such an action would probably have resulted in the law enforcement officers being struck down by a hail of stones... The US protestors seem to be more peacefully, which is good. I wonder what the reaction of the US to some "good ol'" European-style rioting would be. Does this ever happen in the US? I never heard of it over there.

[CG51]

Isn't Land of the Free awesome?

Guess we still have Home of the Brave.

[Argysh]

I wonder what the reaction of the US to some "good ol'" European-style rioting would be.
That would probably end in a high body count....:roll:

[JCR]

Gotta love american democracy

If the same thing happened in Moscow it'd be all over the western news.

Camo'd goons spiriting away protesters, not really great PR.
I don't know what is scarier, the video or the democratic people here jerking off to this scene.
Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ...

[Breakfast in Vegas]

I saw the guy in woodland, but I didnt see anybody in multicam. Just a pair of boots and white teeth.

[afreu]

Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ...

x2

..........

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Gotta love american democracy

If the same thing happened in Moscow it'd be all over the western news.

Camo'd goons spiriting away protesters, not really great PR.
I don't know what is scarier, the video or the democratic people here jerking off to this scene.
Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ...So far I have seen no background information on it, just claims that it was staged either by protestors hoping to make the government look evil or by the government hoping to intimidate the protestors.

Seems odd though... why would they wear camo on a snatch and grab in urban terrain?

Seems unlikely that randomly snatching protestors without a warrant would fly though, imagine the field day the press would have with it.

If there was a warrant for his arrest, well done LE.

[JCR]

"In dubio pro reo" does not apply to the state :)
Or at least should not...

And during demonstrations, a lot "flies through".

[Red-Phos]

That was quite good actually.

[commanding]

Here is another video of the Acoustic Weapons being deployed against protesters at the G20 conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwmX5O-FAE

someone who knows how can embed it if you wish. I suspect the attempted terror attacts in Dallas, Denver, Baltimore, etc were correographed to coincide with the G20 and UN speechs of Arab leaders from Libya and Iran.

[Herman the II]

The protester was arrested before the car arrived and likely he was for a reason.
The two men arresting the guy were not in the car. So whats wrong with driving an arrested suspect away?

[Scriptable]

Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ...
That's why its always a surprise to those who are loyal, honest and patriotic citizens.

[Scriptable]

The protester was arrested before the car arrived and likely he was for a reason.
Yeah, there's always a "reason", although maybe not a just one.

[HorrigEn]

this intervention was inevitable for sustainment of homeland security

p-)

[Herman the II]

Yeah, there's always a "reason", although maybe not a just one.


Why would you imply that there wasn't a just reason? What do you know about the history of that case?
I can see armed riot police standing at the exact same place where the protester and the two men that arrested him awaited the "unmarked car".

But likely that he was just an uninvolved bystander arrested by federal goons
...:roll:

[StinkyStreet]

As I understand there is no US army or US military at the G-20, so what are these guys doing dressed up shoving some hippie into a car.

people have a right to protest but this vid looks weird and disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttseHGOgSo

Is it a set up?

[LineDoggie]

Gotta love american democracy

If the same thing happened in Moscow it'd be all over the western news.

Camo'd goons spiriting away protesters, not really great PR.
I don't know what is scarier, the video or the democratic people here jerking off to this scene.
Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ... Ahh, always good to hear the fanboi take on matters. But the subtle difference here is the protestor will be booked and sit in jail until bailed out.

No 7.62 to the head and thrown in a ditch

No Polonium

No Ricin

Not shot in front of his/her door one night

[Universal_Soldier]

I say, beat the crap out of him and throw him in jail for some years. They call themselves anrachists may we should start treating them as such.

[Argysh]

Not everbody demonstrating there is an anarchist or hippie.

Must be nice to life in a black & white world...

[SBL]

Not everbody demonstrating there is an anarchist or hippie.

Must be nice to life in a black & white world...
Maybe not, but they're all obnoxious.

[kc135cc]

Let them protest, they are exercising their given rights by our government. If you don't like the rights afforded to you, or someone else, get out....:cantbeli:

[SBL]

^I'm exercising my First Amendment right, you fascist.

[LineDoggie]

Let them protest, they are exercising their given rights by our government. If you don't like the rights afforded to you, or someone else, get out....:cantbeli:
Peaceful Protest is one thing

However the G8/G20 meetings become gathering points for trouble makers who Destroy, who Loot, who commit Arson. They come with homemade Body Armor, Shields painted black/red. doesnt sound peaceful to me.
http://action.anarchistnews.org/

http://resistg20.org/node/237

http://action.anarchistnews.org/?q=node/22#comment-13

[Mundzos]

As I understand there is no US army or US military at the G-20, so what are these guys doing dressed up shoving some hippie into a car.

people have a right to protest but this vid looks weird and disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttseHGOgSo

Is it a set up?


There is a ton of US army and reserve people on streets of Pittsburgh...You can see their Humvees and trucks parked on streets.

[Connaught Ranger]

There are US police units who use camo as well, so your conspiracy theory thread

is doomed to FAIL!

[LineDoggie]

As I understand there is no US army or US military at the G-20, so what are these guys doing dressed up shoving some hippie into a car.

people have a right to protest but this vid looks weird and disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttseHGOgSo

Is it a set up?RUN! you dont know what you've exposed

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/UNhelo.jpg

They're coming for you

[LineDoggie]

Oh and the US Army, Reserves and National Guard dont wear BDU's anymore

[Universal_Soldier]

Repost....(albeit with a different tittle)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=165829

[seraosha]

anyone have links to pics?
youtube blocked here at the job, thanks.

[RIPTIDE]

Ahh, always good to hear the fanboi take on matters. But the subtle difference here is the protestor will be booked and sit in jail until bailed out.

No 7.62 to the head and thrown in a ditch

No Polonium

No Ricin

Not shot in front of his/her door one night
Well they could always make human Pyramids with them. :)

[StinkyStreet]

anyone have links to pics?
youtube blocked here at the job, thanks.

Is Alex Jones or Glenn Beck blocked I'm sure conspiracy guys like that have the pix all over their websites

Anyhow I just find it disturbing that guys in camo fatigues can grab some little punk and throw him into the unmarked car. Even if the hippies misbehave don't you normally use Cops to deal with social issues and aren't you supposed to read them their rights first?

[LuKaZz]

It's probably the Obama Youth Paramilitary, they just trained with Chavez and are ready for action.

[SoftLion]

Gotta love american democracy

If the same thing happened in Moscow it'd be all over the western news.

Camo'd goons spiriting away protesters, not really great PR.
I don't know what is scarier, the video or the democratic people here jerking off to this scene.
Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ...

Are you privy to inside information regarding the nature and circumstances of this video, available to you exclusively? If so, please do tell. Otherwise, you are just jumping to conclusions and being a hack in general.


Well they could always make human Pyramids with them. :)

The horror! The horror!


Let them protest, they are exercising their given rights by our government. If you don't like the rights afforded to you, or someone else, get out....:cantbeli:

What a profound statement.

[Evolv5]

I don't really care about why this person was arrested etc. (or how)
but personally, I don't like seeing cops wearing camo, rather blue overalls, or black or even olive drab. But hey, that's just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes etc. etc. :)

[LineDoggie]

Is Alex Jones or Glenn Beck blocked I'm sure conspiracy guys like that have the pix all over their websites

Anyhow I just find it disturbing that guys in camo fatigues can grab some little punk and throw him into the unmarked car. Even if the hippies misbehave don't you normally use Cops to deal with social issues and aren't you supposed to read them their rights first?Who says they arent Police.

Woodland BDU's arent used by the US Army anymore for several years now.

And notice the nice Red bandana by mr. backpack, by your logic that means the Soviet Army was in the protest?

[Ordie]

It is a norm for Police SWAT units to wear military fatigues.

[megjur]

Piitsburgh police wear BDU's..no one is trying ti "implicate" anyone. And what would the implication be?...All I see is some hippie punk POS getting arrested.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0giPd5peN86Qb/610x.jpg

http://positiveleo.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/pittsburghswat.jpg

Also there is the PA. State Police SERT team..they wear BDU also.

Here's Connecticut State Police for example.

http://positiveleo.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/connecticutstatetroopers_jeffdubuc_markwyler_robgirard.jpg

Conspiracy FAIL

[Chimera]

One of the guys is wearing Multicam. Must be Delta Force on a opsec.

[LineDoggie]

Well they could always make human Pyramids with them. :) We know you love being the Base man..........:)

[Mu-Meson]

Anyone find it odd that Tea Party protestors can have an entirely peaceful protest in Washington, and everyone starts wetting their pants about potential violence, and on the other hand, actual leftist violence against cops, and property is happening at the G20, and nobody says a thing?
The poverty of low expectations I guess. Everyone knows this is how they behave, so nobody gets worked up about it?

[seraosha]

Is Alex Jones or Glenn Beck blocked I'm sure conspiracy guys like that have the pix all over their websites

Anyhow I just find it disturbing that guys in camo fatigues can grab some little punk and throw him into the unmarked car. Even if the hippies misbehave don't you normally use Cops to deal with social issues and aren't you supposed to read them their rights first?

Ok, Alex Jones had a pic and links to the video.
Interesting...all I can comment on is the fact that their multicam BDU's really don't blend well with their urban environment. p-)

[megjur]

From Pa. State Police Special Emergency Response team site:

"All Tactical Unit members are issued kevlar ballistic helmets. The standard callout uniform is woodland camouflage BDUs. "

http://www.specwarnet.net/taclink/Police/PA_State_Police_SERT.htm

[Tacony]

Ok well here's my narrative four Riot Police catch the protester they get him on the ground to the left of the video. The unmarked Police car pulls up through the crowd to the right of the video. The two Police Officers in woodland and multicam drag the protester up to the car to put him in. The guy in woodland has a patch on his right arm that I can't make out and ID patch on his left arm. The guy in multicam has a ID patch on his left arm and looks like a hip holster. As they are getting the protester into the car you see the guy in woodlands mic falls out and dangles around. Another Police Officer comes from the right side of the video with an ID on his left arm and jumps into the back with them. As the car pulls away you can see it has a Pennsylvania license plate. Then you see the two Riot Police to the right of the video wearing vests saying Police, zip cuffs, gas mask and helmet. The shotgun that the Riot Police is holding has markings showing that it is a less then lethal weapon. In the last few seconds of the video you see a Police van and SUV to the left of the video and more Riot Police to the right. Sorry Alex Jones.

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[Universal_Soldier]

Let them protest, they are exercising their given rights by our government. If you don't like the rights afforded to you, or someone else, get out....:cantbeli:

did I hurt your feelings? are you one of them?

If you can't protest peacefully then you lose all rights as a protester...whatever harm befalls you is of your own making....

[DavidDCM]

Some users are accusing those who criticize this incident as not knowing any facts about it, yet you take it as a given fact that that guy was a violent rioter. So, is it you who knows facts we don't know?

Blind obedience and "the-state-is-doing-the-right-thing"-attitude is as wrong as being pure anti-government.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what exactly happened here, because you cannot deny that this is a very unusual way of arresting someone.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Blind obedience and "the-state-is-doing-the-right-thing"-attitude is as wrong as being pure anti-government.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what exactly happened here, because you cannot deny that this is a very unusual way of arresting someone.We're all curious, some are just quicker in pressing the "gestapo" button than others. So far I haven't seen any mention of arrests and certainly none of any "kidnappings" in the press.

Believe it or not, in the United States protesters have rights too and there are plenty of those who know how to stretch those rights to the maximum and beyond. Furthermore, given the current political climate, the press is certainly going to jump all over any sort of supposed heavy-handed illegal behavior by the government. Haven't seen that yet either.

[megjur]

Ya gotta love these so called anarchists..bunch of upper middle class white kids who now think that the system that has afforded them their cushy existence is the big evil problem. Take away their comforts though and watch them howl. Bunch of hypocrite pussies.

[Hyde]

Hmm, in Europe such an action would probably have resulted in the law enforcement officers being struck down by a hail of stones...

And the people have every right, that's the peoples defense against a regime. Every man has the right to know what he is charged with and who is arresting him, these kind of secret, eaten-by-the-dark, "arrests" are more kidnappings than arrests, may he has caused trouble or not.


Gotta love american democracy

If the same thing happened in Moscow it'd be all over the western news.

In moscow the people are told that, if their demonstration is not authorized, that they have to leave and they know who is hauling them away and for what if they don't leave.



Camo'd goons spiriting away protesters, not really great PR.
I don't know what is scarier, the video or the democratic people here jerking off to this scene.
Yeah, it is so great to know your state can haul you off the street in unmarked cars. It will never happen to you, because you always do as you're told ...

x2 I really don't get people nowadays...reminds me of "the old days", when Hitler/Stalin/Pinochet/[enter dictator] told the people who the enemies are and why they have to be snatched people didn't care who, how or even why, they just obeyed to what he told them. Nowadays it's the same. Socialists, Liberals and Terrorists are the enemies, no one cares when demonstrators get hauled away because, if you are demonstrator you must be one of those three, therefor you deserve it. Like demonstrating would be a crime or something bad or wrong to do....the old times of regimes, gotta love it...:roll:

[LineDoggie]

Anarchist bitches got owned

[Albatross]

i am guessing that was a SWAT team or some such unit, and if I had to guess that guy had just thrown a smoke device of some sort.

[Fante da mar]

A large international event is coming to town.

Local Police knows who the local political agitators or neusances are (not just expressing opinions, but used to anarchic behaviour streching as far as damage to property and possibly harming people) and they signal them to them Federal Security agents; local police though still has a certain responsability.

Or the troublemaker maybe arrives from another area or country and its arrival could have been signalled by other Police forces or agencies, even from abroad.

Aniway, he gets watched and when the officers or agents who are doing so judge he's being to provocative at spurring the crowds or have reason to believe he's up to something, they pick him up and hold him till the event his over.

It might seem exagerated in a normal situation but with world leaders present and the world looking at you it is better to be safe then sorry. Prevention work in preserving public holder and security for the collectivity. I see no harm in that if it actually happened.

Then again, consider also that this might be a fake, propaganda of leftist and anarchist goups who want to use a powerful tool like the internet to prove their theory that we are all living under a giant, big brother sort of police state.

Sort of like the one they would care to impose, if those red starred and A marked nuts had their way. Especially the more silent ones, the radical chic, velevet couch extreme left wing intellectual opinion leaders and philospohers. Have you still got some of those in North America? Have not been there for a while.

[West Texican]

The Drudge Report say that they guys in cammo are military. How do they know? It could be police, private security, or staged by the protesters themselves. The protesters take it lightly it seams. Way to little information, way to much speculation on everybody's part.

Look at the hubcaps on the car. Where can find some like that?

[Argysh]

x2 I really don't get people nowadays...reminds me of "the old days", when Hitler/Stalin/Pinochet/[enter dictator] told the people who the enemies are and why they have to be snatched people didn't care who, how or even why, they just obeyed to what he told them. Nowadays it's the same. Socialists, Liberals and Terrorists are the enemies, no one cares when demonstrators get hauled away because, if you are demonstrator you must be one of those three, therefor you deserve it. Like demonstrating would be a crime or something bad or wrong to do....the old times of regimes, gotta love it...:roll:
X2

Police has to keep a certain amount of dignity in every action. Most likely they were right arresting him but they way doing so was not. They could have just handcuffed him and arrested him in a normal way, it didn't seem like any of the bystanders would have prevented them from doing it.

All they've gained is bad PR and wild speculations.

Your post remindet me of Niemöllers prominent quote:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen, ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen, ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Sozialisten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen, ich war ja kein Sozialist.
Als sie die Juden einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen, ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte

When they came for the communists I did not speak out, because I was not a communist.
When they came for the trade unionists I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the socialists I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist.
When they came for the Jews I did not speak out, because I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Clear_blues]

don't forget lack of headgear and untucked pants.

[khaz]

This thread is full of win, Looks like Pittsburg PD is doing a fine job. Impressed with the new High Tech, love the dispersal order, hard for them to say they didnt know later in court.

[megjur]

X2

Police has to keep a certain amount of dignity in every action. Most likely they were right arresting him but they way doing so was not. They could have just handcuffed him and arrested him in a normal way, it didn't seem like any of the bystanders would have prevented them from doing it.


"Please Mr. Anarchist protestor, would you kindly come with us, I hope we don't inconvenience you too much today, this will only take a few minutes, then you can get back to your righteous protesting and destruction of private property"..

I guess you're saying that is how the police should have acted.

Please Mr. Police Expert..desccribe the "normal way" of arresting a person when surrounded by an angry mob of protestors who support the person being arrested....

[Tacony]

Police in Pittsburgh should just do what the German Police do at their G summits. Raid the places the anarchist are staying and assembling. Then arrest people wearing masks and balaclavas. It's easier that way and probably less expensive and allows the real protesters to do their thing.

[Argysh]

I can't spot any of the bystanders beeing angry or violent in that video.

[SoftLion]

Ya gotta love these so called anarchists..bunch of upper middle class white kids who now think that the system that has afforded them their cushy existence is the big evil problem. Take away their comforts though and watch them howl. Bunch of hypocrite pussies.

woot



In moscow the people are told that, if their demonstration is not authorized, that they have to leave and they know who is hauling them away and for what if they don't leave.

You forgot to add they all get a refreshing bottle of water, sweetened with Polonium.


x2 I really don't get people nowadays...reminds me of "the old days", when Hitler/Stalin/Pinochet/[enter dictator] told the people who the enemies are and why they have to be snatched people didn't care who, how or even why, they just obeyed to what he told them. Nowadays it's the same. Socialists, Liberals and Terrorists are the enemies, no one cares when demonstrators get hauled away because, if you are demonstrator you must be one of those three, therefor you deserve it. Like demonstrating would be a crime or something bad or wrong to do....the old times of regimes, gotta love it...:roll:

Based on your unsubstantiated conclusions, this must have been a kidnapping, right? Get your head out of your ass.


I can't spot any of the bystanders beeing angry or violent in that video.
Well dude must be innocent and was abducted by Obama's paramilitary wing - probably has a marine battery alligator clamped to his balls right now.....

[commanding]

This thread is full of win, Looks like Pittsburg PD is doing a fine job. Impressed with the new High Tech, love the dispersal order, hard for them to say they didnt know later in court.

that is the honest truth. very hard to say they didn't know it was declared unlawful and they should disperse. ditto on the first video posted, when the law starts busting tear gas canisters, and you hear sirens and see cops in battle gear...if you aren't an anarchist it is time to pack up your placards and go home and not antagonize the law enforcement officers.

[LineDoggie]

X2

Police has to keep a certain amount of dignity in every action. Most likely they were right arresting him but they way doing so was not. They could have just handcuffed him and arrested him in a normal way, it didn't seem like any of the bystanders would have prevented them from doing it.

All they've gained is bad PR and wild speculations.

Your post remindet me of Niemöllers prominent quote:Perhaps this will help


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[afreu]

Perhaps this will help


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Thanks for being our fool again.

[Knight216]

"Please Mr. Anarchist protestor, would you kindly come with us, I hope we don't inconvenience you too much today, this will only take a few minutes, then you can get back to your righteous protesting and destruction of private property"..

I guess you're saying that is how the police should have acted.

Please Mr. Police Expert..desccribe the "normal way" of arresting a person when surrounded by an angry mob of protestors who support the person being arrested....


Amen to that.

It would seem logical to me in that sort of situation, where the arrested guy's friends are all standing by, in an easily excitable environment, to get the suspect out of there ASAP.

I've seen a dozen news articles about violence in these protests, so with a powderkeg situation, I see nothing wrong with extracting the instigator with the quickness.

[Argysh]

@softlion and linedoggie: If you had actually read my posts you would know that I said they most likely did the right thing but the way they did was far from perfect.
There were armed officers in riot gear not far away, if they would have brought him there, mirandized him and arrested him in a proper way we wouldn't have this video and discussion now.

Police should always behave like someone is filming them. Otherwise things like this will end on youtube generating bad PR.

Your worst nightmare [those evil hippies and anarchist] will use stuff like this against you. So just prevent it from beeing shot in the first place [before you ask: not by banning cameras or **** like that ;)]

[megjur]

@softlion and linedoggie: If you had actually read my posts you would know that I said they most likely did the right thing but the way they did was far from perfect.
There were armed officers in riot gear not far away, if they would have brought him there, mirandized him and arrested him in a proper way we wouldn't have this video and discussion now.

Police should always behave like someone is filming them. Otherwise things like this will end on youtube generating bad PR.

Your worst nightmare [those evil hippies and anarchist] will use stuff like this against you. So just prevent it from beeing shot in the first place [before you ask: not by banning cameras or **** like that ;)]

You only have to mirandize an arrestee if you intend on questioning him about his involvement in a crime. If he committed a crime in the presence of the officers, no miranda is needed, also no warrant is needed. The only people who are seeing this video as a bad thing are those who already think the police are thugs and who ffollow the whole cospiracy line of thinking anyway. Another thing...police should always act to protect their safety and the safety of others..worrying about who's filming them and what people might think is pretty low on their list of concerns.

[USMCROOKIE]

wtf happen so fast

[little icebear]

Claiming that those protestors are evil to the core "anacrist" (sic!) vandals, bound to violent behaviour is just as stupid as assuming that cops are the henchmen of evil gubberment oppression who´ll drag the hippies to the next cia-blacksite.

[Alpheus]

At the 25 second mark in the video, is that an orange tip on the end of the gun the gas mask dude is carrying?

[chauncy republicans]

That's right Icebear, just wait until they start snatching demonstrators from the tea-parties, I'm sure that will be considered unconstitutional though.

[LineDoggie]

Thanks for being our fool again. He was comparing an Anarchist being arrested by PA Police with the Nazi's rounding up Jews, communists, union members, etc. Stop being hysterical women.


Nazis
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uine5MhOc0I

Pennsylvania Police
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/G8CNa_viKg0


And you honestly think thats comparable?:roll:

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Maybe the last sentence is the incident in question?
http://ca.entertainment.yahoo.com/s/afp/090924/world/finance_economy_g20_demo_shots



PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (AFP) - Police fired non-lethal "bean bag" rounds on demonstrators trying to disrupt the Pittsburgh G20 summit on Thursday, officers said.

"In response to having sticks, bricks and rocks thrown at them in the Shady Side neighborhood of Pittsburgh, police responded with bean bag rounds and dispersed the crowd," FBI agent Bill Crowley told AFP.

So-called bean bags or flexible baton rounds are fired from an officer's riot shotgun. Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard said they were "softer" than rubber bullets.

"The police had sticks, rocks and other instruments thrown toward them so in defense of that, that was their way of dispersing the crowd. They had trash cans thrown at them, all kinds of different things," she said.

An AFP reporter saw a row of police fire the projectiles at protesters, some of whom said they had been hit by "rubber bullets".

Police also fired an orange gas as they tried to repel about 20 to 30 hardline protesters who were bombarding them with rocks and bricks.

One protester was taken away and detained by the police, according to an AFP reporter on the scene.


At the 25 second mark in the video, is that an orange tip on the end of the gun the gas mask dude is carrying?Appears so, orange marking it as a non-lethal weapon AFAIK.

[Argysh]

He was comparing an Anarchist being arrested by PA Police with the Nazi's rounding up Jews, communists, union members, etc. Stop being hysterical women.


I said MareCars post reminded me of this quote. Not these events.

Reading is tough, eh? :cantbeli:

[Mu-Meson]

Wow. The tin foil hat brigades are out in force today. My $0.02? It is fake. A little stagecraft to get some attention/controversy.
The mismatching camo, the car license plate, the fact they didn't even handcuff him before putting him in the car, the reactions of the witnesses. It all stinks to high heaven of a set up.
Anyway, the truth will out, as they say. Eventually.


At the 25 second mark in the video, is that an orange tip on the end of the gun the gas mask dude is carrying?

Airsoft?

[LineDoggie]

That's right Icebear, just wait until they start snatching demonstrators from the tea-parties, I'm sure that will be considered unconstitutional though.

If the Tea Party Demonstrators are throwing rocks, breaking windows, starting fires, attacking Police Officers doing their job, I hope the Cops do snatch & arrest them. Having a cause isnt reason to act like Vandals and scumbags. There is a difference between peaceful NON Violent protest( Dr. Kings march on Washington as example) and violent protests.

[BigDukaroo]

Maybe the last sentence is the incident in question?
http://ca.entertainment.yahoo.com/s/afp/090924/world/finance_economy_g20_demo_shots

Appears so, orange marking it as a non-lethal weapon AFAIK.

This arrest seems more likely connected to the article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex0TcaSASXg

[megjur]

I said MareCars post reminded me of this quote. Not these events.

Reading is tough, eh? :cantbeli:

MareCars post said the incident reminded him of the events..You then AGREED with his post and added to it your own interpetation....Now you say thats not what you meant and claim your post was misread....maybe you should write clearer then...writing is tough eh?

[Alpheus]

^^^ The kid with the red bandanna looks to the the same one from the first video.

[Argysh]

This arrest seems more likely connected to the article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex0TcaSASXg
rofl, there are more cameras than protesters and officers combined. :roll:

[BloodyTalon]

Let's just put aside the "THEM DAMN DIRTY HIPPIES!" and "THE GOVERNMENTS OUT TO GET YOU!" Hysterics and look at the video objectively. Here's some points I'd like to make.

1. The...for the sake of the argument lets just call them "goons", don't have a consistent uniform. One is wearing BDUs, another is wearing Multicam, the one behind the wheel seems to also wear BDUs, and there looks like a guy in back that's wearing blue "urban" camo similar to what OMON issues. True it isn't completely impossible to find a military/government/law enforcement unit with two different types of uniforms, but three is a definite stretch.

2. The goons have no equipment whatsoever. No firearms, no body armor, no webbing, no radios, no helmets, no masks, no cuffs/zipties to restrain suspects, hell they don't even have caps for their uniforms (though I will say their boot blousing deserves the Anthony Seal of Approval). Assuming that they are from the riot cops or snatch team, why don't they even have handguns? After all, they are in an environment where they are outnumbered and a riot can break out at any moment.

3. The protester being dragged away by the goons is not restrained with handcuffs or ziptie; the goons are literally dragging him away by the arms. Also, his backpack is still on him and there isn't any indication that its been searched. Now can someone tell me whats wrong with this picture?

4. Of all the protesters in the vicinity, only the cameraman and a couple other react to the goons. Even then, they don't do anything about it but look, not even tell the other protesters about it. Now this can mean one of three things:

. All the other anarchists thought that guy was a douchebag and were actually quite happy to see him go away.

. Protesters are pussies

. The vid's bullcrap.


In conclusion, unless its common practice for Pittsburgh PD/the FBI/Illumanti Jews from the center of Earth to chargeinto potentially hostile crowds with nothing but uniforms, this vid is more likely than not bullcrap.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

^^^ The kid with the red bandanna looks to the the same one from the first video.Yeah. Either that or a clone.

[Invisigoth]

rofl, there are more cameras than protesters and officers combined. :roll:

Guess people have realized that that's the only way to protect themselves.

[SoftLion]

Some users are accusing those who criticize this incident as not knowing any facts about it, yet you take it as a given fact that that guy was a violent rioter. So, is it you who knows facts we don't know?

Blind obedience and "the-state-is-doing-the-right-thing"-attitude is as wrong as being pure anti-government.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what exactly happened here, because you cannot deny that this is a very unusual way of arresting someone.

It has nothing to do with blind obedience. Instead, us rational folks find it unrealistic that a non-violent peaceful protester was abducted by secret government forces for no reason. Obviously you feel differently.


Guess people have realized that that's the only way to protect themselves.

No camera is going to "protect" a protester that assaults law enforcement.

[Hyde]

You forgot to add they all get a refreshing bottle of water, sweetened with Polonium.

Yeah, right.... :cantbeli:




Based on your unsubstantiated conclusions, this must have been a kidnapping, right? Get your head out of your ass.

Stick to your own advice.:roll:


MareCars post said the incident reminded him of the events..You then AGREED with his post and added to it your own interpetation....Now you say thats not what you meant and claim your post was misread....maybe you should write clearer then...writing is tough eh?

Not the incident per se, but the reaction of the people on such an incident (I mean on the board). If he was rightfully arrested because he threw something at the officers, the way of doing it was not wrong at all, in fact it was good to just remove him (by normally clothed guys because a few riot-gear guys would have looked like a charge and sparked panic) and not let it escalate so that the other demonstrators can continue their demonstration. But the attitude to hail everything that police does against demonstrators and protestors is a bit off in my opinion.

[Geezah]

Police in Pittsburgh should just do what the German Police do at their G summits. Raid the places the anarchist are staying and assembling. Then arrest people wearing masks and balaclavas. It's easier that way and probably less expensive and allows the real protesters to do their thing.

Is that some form of Pre-Crime Police tactics?

I'm all for locking these a-holes up, but how can you detain someone before they have commited a crime or is it all based on conspiracy to commit a crime?

[SoftLion]

Stick to your own advice.:roll:.

Then again, I'm not the one chewing on a box of Reynolds Wrap, jumping to conclusions based on conspiracy theories.

[Migman]

Some clarification:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/25/video-the-purported-military-arrest-at-the-g-20-protest/

[SoftLion]

Some clarification:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/25/video-the-purported-military-arrest-at-the-g-20-protest/

Wait, so it wasn't an abduction by the US Gestapo to strike fear in the heart of all law-abiding American citizens bold enough to express their first amendment rights in a perfectly legal fashion with no violence committed or threatened?

[Migman]

More clarification:

http://thecollegepolitico.com/the-truth-about-the-military-kidnapping-video-from-the-g-20/

And a statement from the G20 Joint Information Center:


The individuals involved in the 9/24/2009 arrest which has appeared online are law enforcement officers from a multi-agency tactical response team assigned to the security operations for the G20.

It is not unusual for tactical team members to wear camouflaged fatigues. The type of fatigues the officers wear designates their unit affiliation. Prior to the arrest, the officers observed this subject vandalizing a local business. Due to the hostile nature of the crowd, officer safety and the safety of the person under arrest, the subject was immediately removed from the area.

[LineDoggie]

Sssssh...... some here think its the Sicherhietsdienst part Deaux.

[NUCKINFUTS]

What's the point in calling them "unmarked cars". Everyone knows that someone driving a Ford Crown Vic is the cops, or at least everyone in my neighborhood does.

[Moose]

So I am a bit confused here. What does the US law say? Can the military be used as law enforcement? Can law enforcement use military camouflage as their uniform. If so why would urban police need woodland camouflage?
Regardless of if you think the arrest was wrong or ok I is obvious that the public does not fullheartedly support police in military camouflage, isn’t it then the responsibility of law enforcement to adapt their procedures for the future. So if the uniform damages the trust between the public and law enforcement shouldn’t the uniform be changed.

Ps. I am not arguing whether the arrest is self was right or wrong.

[LineDoggie]

I have no problems with Cops wearing Camoflage uniforms if they desire. Woodland BDU's can be worn by Anyone in the US. Its not a restricted item. The PA State Cop even has a subdued shoulder patch and wears it in a professional manner.

National Guard can be used in law enforcement if called upon by the Governor for state active duty, but this was classic snatch team in a civil disturbance

Spotted and targeted their man

Dismount team grabbed him while mounted element arrived and hustled him in and away from the crowd and all safely to both the cops and anarchists.

[LineDoggie]

What's the point in calling them "unmarked cars". Everyone knows that someone driving a Ford Crown Vic is the cops, or at least everyone in my neighborhood does.


Crown Vic, the Unmarked marked car. Can spot them anywhere, usually have tells. Its the Car version of a **** in a Hawaiian shirt, white socks and black shoes

[Elbs]

Some vandalizing asshole gets arrested and suddenly everyone becomes flush with law enforcement experience or an expert in criminal law...:roll:

I know a few people that have gone to events like this and there's usually one reason that keeps getting brought up: easy access to hippie broads.

[Moose]

Ok so army can be used in police actions without going over to, for example, “emergency” state law ( if that makes any sense ). Can they arrest you etc?

You say that you don’t have any problem with cops using camouflage but are you aware of any debate regarding the subject or does the general bublic consider it perfectly normal, in other words is it considered politically correct? Is it debated whether military should be used in a police role?

Does it not, in your opinion, raise a question whether police should use camouflage if it damages the general publics trust in them?

[Elbs]

Ok so army can be used in police actions without going over to, for example, “emergency” state law ( if that makes any sense ). Can they arrest you etc?

You say that you don’t have any problem with cops using camouflage but are you aware of any debate regarding the subject or does the general bublic consider it perfectly normal, in other words is it considered politically correct? Is it debated whether military should be used in a police role?

Does it not, in your opinion, raise a question whether police should use camouflage if it damages the general publics trust in them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

read that.

[2495]

in other words is it considered politically correct?


Its gear, its utilised, its efficient and it suits tactical teams to wear the right gear for the right role.

In short? screw political correctness in the arse to be frank. LRADS, Cammo, bean bag guns, air tasers... use them all if they don't want to protest in peace.

[Macs.]

Is that some form of Pre-Crime Police tactics?

I'm all for locking these a-holes up, but how can you detain someone before they have commited a crime or is it all based on conspiracy to commit a crime?

You are not allowed to cover your identity (i.e. wearing a mask) at protests in Germany.

Besides that in this particular video it was done with a car and people dressed in camoflage this is nothing new or shocking. It's standard procedur in alot of countries to monitor the protests, focus on people who are commiting crimes or firing up other people in the crowd and then fastly sweep into the crowd to get out one (or more) particular person(s) who are thinking they are safe within/near a crowd.

[tipsovr]

So I am a bit confused here. What does the US law say? Can the military be used as law enforcement? Can law enforcement use military camouflage as their uniform. If so why would urban police need woodland camouflage?
Regardless of if you think the arrest was wrong or ok I is obvious that the public does not fullheartedly support police in military camouflage, isn’t it then the responsibility of law enforcement to adapt their procedures for the future. So if the uniform damages the trust between the public and law enforcement shouldn’t the uniform be changed.

Ps. I am not arguing whether the arrest is self was right or wrong.

I don't post much but this one sparked my interest. Yes, the military can be used as law enforcement. Its called Marshal Law. God help us if that happens. The National Guard can also be used if requested by a state's Governor in a time of a declared emergency. It is my understanding that there is a number of NG units assisting with crowd control at the G20 summit this time.

Law enforcement in the United States can and does use camo for many special operations activities. There is no "universal" camo pattern for LEOs. Probably what ever the individual agencies can afford to purchase. Most go with woodland camo but many others are just going with OD "jump suits" now.

It would seem to me the only people who have a problem with police/sheriffs agencies wearing camo are those who are on the other end of the intended actions. I will fully concede that the officers (I assume the guys in the gold CV are either PA State Troopers or Pittsburgh SWAT) in the "arrest" should have better identification visible.

The problem with videos like the one that started this whole train wreck is that they only show a very acute view of what actually happened. It would be interesting to hear from some, if any, of the news media who may have been in the area.

[szr]

Ok so army can be used in police actions without going over to, for example, “emergency” state law ( if that makes any sense ). Can they arrest you etc?The "Army" (big active duty federal warfighting force) can't be used directly for law enforcement (arrests and such) within the United States. Every state has it's own National Guard component that is under the control of that state's governor unless federalized for national service (such as going to war overseas). The governor, being the chief executive of his state, can activate his state's National Guard and militia forces to augment police and keep the peace.


You say that you don’t have any problem with cops using camouflage but are you aware of any debate regarding the subject or does the general bublic consider it perfectly normal, in other words is it considered politically correct? Is it debated whether military should be used in a police role?

Does it not, in your opinion, raise a question whether police should use camouflage if it damages the general publics trust in them?Some civilains wear fatigues, some SWAT teams wear fatigues, it's really not a big deal here in the States. And in most cases, tactical officers wearing them are usually also wearing body armor with POLICE or SHERIFF, or their department's abbreviation embalzoned in large letters aross the back and/or front. Military fatigues are a trivial matter and non-issue in the grand debate of trust between police and citizens in this country.

[LineDoggie]

Ok so army can be used in police actions without going over to, for example, “emergency” state law ( if that makes any sense ). Can they arrest you etc?

You say that you don’t have any problem with cops using camouflage but are you aware of any debate regarding the subject or does the general bublic consider it perfectly normal, in other words is it considered politically correct? Is it debated whether military should be used in a police role?

Does it not, in your opinion, raise a question whether police should use camouflage if it damages the general publics trust in them?
This is anarchist protestors, not the general public for one thing. Most of the public really wont care as long as the police can keep the peace.

I can and Have affected apprehension of person committing crimes while on State Active Duty

1 Man knocked a Police Officer unconscious from a punch to his head from behind- City Hall subway station February 2003. Before the officer was on the ground my men had the perp floored and secured in a typical manner associated with Infantrymen. The perp would have been better off hitting one of us than the cop.

At Ground Zero, My B Team Leader apprehended Vince Dementri a CBS reporter dressed as an ATF agent trying to sneak into the wreckage on 9-12-01

[Breakfast in Vegas]

So I am a bit confused here. What does the US law say? Can the military be used as law enforcement? Can law enforcement use military camouflage as their uniform. If so why would urban police need woodland camouflage?
Regardless of if you think the arrest was wrong or ok I is obvious that the public does not fullheartedly support police in military camouflage, isn’t it then the responsibility of law enforcement to adapt their procedures for the future. So if the uniform damages the trust between the public and law enforcement shouldn’t the uniform be changed.

Ps. I am not arguing whether the arrest is self was right or wrong.Military cannot be used to execute the laws of the country, but true restrictions seem vague.




Historically, Americans haven't trusted the military to do domestic police work. The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, passed in response to abuses by federal troops in the South after the Civil War, prohibits the use of the military "to execute the laws" of the U.S. That's been widely interpreted as a ban on searching, arresting or spying on U.S. civilians by federal troops.
But the law has been violated, notably during the Vietnam War, when Army operatives spied on antiwar activists on campuses. Meanwhile, Congress has eased the law's limits to allow the military to help prosecute the war on drugs. After the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House sought to further loosen restrictions to allow the military to take on a new domestic-security role. It has mostly been rebuffed. In May the House refused to approve a White House-backed proposal to give the Central Intelligence Agency and the military authority to scrutinize personal and business records of U.S. citizens. And the Senate last year blocked funding for a Pentagon project known as the Total Information Awareness program, which was supposed to collect a vast array of information on individuals, including medical, employment and credit-card histories.

The line between law enforcement and military is changing somewhat on both ends, at least superficially.

It's seemingly petty, but I fail to see the point of LE in camo.

Police in multicam and BDUs in an urban environment? Why not urban-colored dark blue, gray or black SWAT gear, wouldnt that be more appropriate?

There is a strong anti-government sentiment among elements of both liberal and conservative camps with often the same background, fear of too much government control... yet both camps and their politicians pass laws to increase government control. The Republicans in the name of security and democrats in the name of "liberal values", civil rights etc. Often false in both cases IMO.

Nonetheless, I think LE should stay a police force and the military shouldn't have anything to do with domestic policing duties except for disaster relief, national emergencies etc. Suppose it is a manpower problem but a blurring of duties is detrimental.

[Moose]

Well I would not place bean bag guns, air tasers etc in the same category as uniform. A uniform can indicate what you are a part of, for example a fireman in a doctor’s outfit would create false expectations and send the wrong message as well.

A police officer in camouflage might indicate that he is a part of the armed forces, seeing that the armed forces can only be used under specific circumstances it would not be appropriate for him to use that uniform.

It would however be a totally different thing if he was a SWAT member during an operation in the forests or other place were that camo would be appropriate.

However after reading some of your replies I understand that the cultural backdrop does warrant this discussion as it is a non issue.

I guess one shouldn’t see this as anything different from some countries using paramilitary forces for police duty (Frances gendarmerie etc) or would you disagree?

[Geezah]

Kent State springs to mind when you mention National Guard.
http://www.m38a1.com/images/Archives/KentStatePic2.jpg

[Moose]

Kent state was a true tragedy.

[commanding]

re: Kent State deal...when I was in service one of my friends in the service, had been a student at Kent State when that happened. He was kind of touchy about it....and it was a tragedy.

[crayola]

What's the point in calling them "unmarked cars". Everyone knows that someone driving a Ford Crown Vic is the cops, or at least everyone in my neighborhood does.

w've got chargers and malibus to complicate the matter

[Umbro2914]

ok an idea no one really touched upon.. but what if the guy "arrested" was undercover? and as the situation may have been deteriorating and gas being sent in, he needed to be pulled out? Not saying he was a provacateur *cough* but simple UC police? maybe?

[Karaahmetoglu]

BTW people said that the cops do not have anything on except the Uniforms not true watch carefully both have some sort of holster for something both on the right side under the top shirts.

[Dominique]

From Pa. State Police Special Emergency Response team site:

"All Tactical Unit members are issued kevlar ballistic helmets. The standard callout uniform is woodland camouflage BDUs. "

http://www.specwarnet.net/taclink/Police/PA_State_Police_SERT.htm

I'm the author of that article, and odds are good that a lot of the info is now out of date, but as far as police wearing tactical uniforms go, many LE agencies issues some type of tactical uniform. We issue ACU's and a OD green uniform. When I worked for the VA DOC we were issued dark blue work uniforms and Black BDUs. IIRC Pittsburgh PD SWAT issues Multicam to its tactical officers.

[kato2k6]

He was comparing an Anarchist being arrested by PA Police with the Nazi's rounding up Jews, communists, union members, etc.
Even if that was a legal arrest, it was done in a wholly unprofessional way that likely would have resulted in the local police department torched at least if it happened in Europe.
And unmarked cars and men in military uniforms? Not a police force that any part of the population can and should trust.


Another thing...police should always act to protect their safety and the safety of others..worrying about who's filming them and what people might think is pretty low on their list of concerns.
That contradicts itself. A police officer who lets himself be identified and have his face published is not one who in intend on protecting his own safety.


(referencing Germany)
Is that some form of Pre-Crime Police tactics?
I'm all for locking these a-holes up, but how can you detain someone before they have commited a crime or is it all based on conspiracy to commit a crime?
In Germany it's legal to preemptively arrest and hold random people for up to two weeks depending on the state on the pretext that they are planning to commit a crime.

[Connaught Ranger]

Is that some form of Pre-Crime Police tactics?

I'm all for locking these a-holes up, but how can you detain someone before they have commited a crime or is it all based on conspiracy to commit a crime?

Lets see . . .

is it just possible he is a wanted felon, bail-jumper, known criminal mastermind :roll:

[Connaught Ranger]

Even if that was a legal arrest, it was done in a wholly unprofessional way that likely would have resulted in the local police department torched at least if it happened in Europe.

Tell us more about these police stations that get burnt down by mobs in Europe.:roll:

[kato2k6]

Ever been to France or Greece?

[megjur]

That contradicts itself. A police officer who lets himself be identified and have his face published is not one who in intend on protecting his own safety.




What the hell are you talking about??? Officer's in the U.S. are not secret police who somehow need to keep their faces hidden from the public. Officers are on TV all the time in various situations. Officers, while conducting their business are primarily concerned with their own safety and the safety of the public. We do alter our officer safety protocols just because someone might be filming. Maybe in the oppressive state where you live police worry about being hunted down and killed by mobs..if so I'm sorry for you.

[NiNjA!]

Good tread.

Very nice to get such comprehensive clarification. Thanks to all contributors.

And, I had no pre-bias posting this thread. I do have a genuine interest for police and military operations, and since this video has been discussed on other boards, I though it would be a good idea to discuss it here to.

Thanks.

[Connaught Ranger]

Ever been to France or Greece?

That is evading the question I asked and not answering it,

and two countries are NOT Europe in general.:roll:

[kato2k6]

Maybe in the oppressive state where you live police worry about being hunted down and killed by mobs..if so I'm sorry for you.
Not by mobs. But we have had police officers who were identified assaulted at home or singled out for attack during the next riot. It happens. Besides, if the officer can be identified, he can be charged for crimes committed in the line of duty (usually assault & battery) - big nono for the police. And that happens too.
This is specifically for riot police, not regular officers.


and two countries are NOT Europe in general.:roll:
Anywhere in Europe is in Europe.

[Connaught Ranger]

Not by mobs. But we have had police officers who were identified assaulted at home or singled out for attack during the next riot. It happens. Besides, if the officer can be identified, he can be charged for crimes committed in the line of duty (usually assault & battery) - big nono for the police. And that happens too.
This is specifically for riot police, not regular officers.


Anywhere in Europe is in Europe.

1. Officers who overstep their authority and abuse their power deserve to be charged, and rightly so, the Law applies to all equally, regardless of rank or status.

Still evading.:roll:

2. You stated:
Even if that was a legal arrest, it was done in a wholly unprofessional way that likely would have resulted in the local police department torched at least if it happened in Europe.
now, we know for a fact, that the European Police Forces are not perfect
in the performance of duties, as facts and figures are published each year regarding the number of complaints against them, but, I do not see hundreds of burning police stations being reported in the European Press for these transgressions, so again I would ask you to back up your claims.

Connaught Ranger.

[Dominique]

Even if that was a legal arrest, it was done in a wholly unprofessional way that likely would have resulted in the local police department torched at least if it happened in Europe.

Maybe you missed it, but this isn't Europe.


And unmarked cars and men in military uniforms? Not a police force that any part of the population can and should trust.

You have got to be shi*ing me. :roll: Where do you live, as I'd like to see exactly what the cops in your area wear, and what type of equipment they use.



A police officer who lets himself be identified and have his face published is not one who in intend on protecting his own safety.

WRONG, again, but thank you for your expert opinion. I'm sure it's based on many years of law enforcement experience. I'll put you on speed dial, so the next time someone asks me for my name and badge number, you can come to court and tell them why I should identify myself, or which agency I work for.


In Germany it's legal to preemptively arrest and hold random people for up to two weeks depending on the state on the pretext that they are planning to commit a crime.

And once again, this is the US, not Germany, we do things differently here.

[Dominique]

This is specifically for riot police, not regular officers.

Here in the US, we don't have separate riot police, riot control units/civil disturbance units (or whatever they decide to call them) are usually regular patrol officers (deputies, constables, etc.) that receive additional training (in a lot of agencies everyone gets the training).

[Soldat_Américain]

All the officers in my hometown wear a black tactical uniform regardless.

Also as far as riot police go...it's pretty much issuance of extra gear and most of those guys are regular beat/patrol officers that have additional training as Dom said. It depends on the department as well, if it's a small town probably not many of those officers have the specific training as say LAPD for blatantly clear reasons.

[muttbutt]

Jebus Crispy, why are people even arguing, this video is faker then a 3 Dollar bill.

[muttbutt]

One of the posts on the youtube site said this guy was arrested for damaging property, still seems like an odd vid to me.

[Macs.]

Jebus Crispy, why are people even arguing, this video is faker then a 3 Dollar bill.

Why ?

There are photos of the same people within the lines of police officers, so I would say it's real.

And as the thread came to conclusion, arresting single people out of a protest is nothing new or shocking. The key is to observe criminal activity in such protests and then to sweep in and pick out the people who think they are secure in a mass of people. But obviously a video like this is not doing any good for the public opinion.

[Elbs]

Macs is right. It was already explained that the guy had been spotted vandalizing.

[2495]

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5998/grabbed.jpg

Here is the pic taken from within the Police zone.

[SBL]

But obviously a video like this is not doing any good for the public opinion.
I don't think it's all that damaging. I also have doubts as to it's veracity.

[Noons86]

How big are these protests anyway? Its not like there's an impending war going on. Are these people mostly "the usual suspects" who try to get arrested?

[Mastermind]

The Military types were not in proper uniform...not military, not police. Notice the police types are all wearing some sort of head protection and standard uniform, The military types are rather a mixed bag...and I could not see any id on the car...not even the plate.

The cops seem perfectly relaxed in the presence of these goons in camo. But, the goons seem a bit anxious, as if they are not in a familiar environment...a bit edgy as compared to the cops in riot gear. Also, I notice the camo guys seem to be searching...scanning, for what I don't know...but, they definitely are there for some special purpose other than routine crowd control...my opinion.

I also notice the goons are wearing different boots...some black, some desert tan. It's as if they dressed quickly for the event...the almost complete lack of usual crowd control gear is kind of interesting, too...no face shields, no batons, not even helmets. I could not tell for sure ...but, appears none wearing unit insignia or name tags, either.

Kind of spooky.

[2495]

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5998/grabbed.jpg

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Here mastermind - A pic from the Police line of the guy arrested in the video.

[tyovan]

It's a shame this is really the only aspect of the security for G-20 being discussed on this forum.
There were thousands of highly professional people there, committed to allowing the protesters to peacefully exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
G-20 security was not conducted by 'goons'.

[Soldat_Américain]

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5998/grabbed.jpg

Here is the pic taken from within the Police zone.

Mastermind, look at his dudes left arms right above the elbow, they have ID, what it is I don't know.

[Mr.K]

It's a shame this is really the only aspect of the security for G-20 being discussed on this forum.
There were thousands of highly professional people there, committed to allowing the protesters to peacefully exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
G-20 security was not conducted by 'goons'.

x2

There are also peaceful protesters.

[Mastermind]

Mastermind, look at his dudes left arms right above the elbow, they have ID, what it is I don't know.
I know...but, does not appear to be military...I see now a name tag on the one guy...

But, also, notice the car that speeds away is emitting heavy smoke...we used to do that when I was a kid, rig up a small "diesel" injector to the hot exhaust pipe. Makes smoke like crazy... But, if deliberate, what cop car has such a rig? And, why? To keep the id secret...obscure any photography of the incident?

This is just nuts. I've never seen anything like it.

I really am curious as to what happened to the kid..who was he? Where is he now?

[Hollis]

They don't exactly look very happy with life do they?


WTF?, Have you ever been in a confrontational situation. Often in a crowd people act with immunity and will do violent things because there is a good chance of getting away with it. Do you know why they are wearing riot gear? All of those cops are also being photographed and if they error everyone will know about it. It is not a gala event.


Again your hard on for cops is apparent.......... Let me suggest you relieve yourself in private or your stay here will be short.

[2495]

The cops seem perfectly relaxed in the presence of these goons in camo. But, the goons seem a bit anxious, as if they are not in a familiar environment...a bit edgy as compared to the cops in riot gear. Also, I notice the camo guys seem to be searching...scanning, for what I don't know...but, they definitely are there for some special purpose other than routine crowd control...my opinion.

Sorry Hollis I was trying to respond to MasterMind - I forgot to post the text as a quote. Apologise.

Now, why this kid got lifted was that he was apparently throwing rocks and assorted debris at the Police line. So in short he got what he deserved.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/417/clarity.jpg

[Dominique]

The Military types were not in proepr uniform...not military, not police. Notice the police types are all wearing some sort of head protection and standard unifor, The military types are rather a mixed bag...and I could not see any id on the car...not even the plate.

The cops seem perfectly relaxed in the presence of these goons in camo. But, the goons seem a bit anxious, as if they are not in a familiar environment...a bit edgy as compared to the cops in riot gear. Also, I notice the camo guys seem to be searching...scanning, for what I don't know...but, they definitely are there for some special purpose other than routine crowd control...my opinion.

I also notice the goons are wearing different boots...some black, some desert tan. It's as if they dressed quickly for the event...the almost complete lack of usual crowd control gear is kind of interesting, too...no face shields, no batons, not even helmets. I could not tell for sure ...but, appears none wearing unit insignia or name tags, either.

Kind of spooky.

MM, it's already been explained that the guys doing the snatch are cops assigned to a multi-agency SWAT unit, that's why they're wearing various types of uniforms. But for those of you that missed it, here's the actual quote.


The individuals involved in the 9/24/2009 arrest which has appeared online are law enforcement officers from a multi-agency tactical response team assigned to the security operations for the G20.

It is not unusual for tactical team members to wear camouflaged fatigues. The type of fatigues the officers wear designates their unit affiliation. Prior to the arrest, the officers observed this subject vandalizing a local business. Due to the hostile nature of the crowd, officer safety and the safety of the person under arrest, the subject was immediately removed from the area.

And why is it that everyone suddenly wants to refer to the cops as "goons"?

[Virus]

nm lol, Dom got it first. :D But yah....people here are just searching for "conspiracies" lol, pretty ridiculous.

[wildcat]

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5998/grabbed.jpg

Here is the pic taken from within the Police zone.

it is the same guys, and that appears to be the gold crown victoria to the right of the picture.

[BloodyTalon]

And why is it that everyone suddenly wants to refer to the cops as "goons"?
That was me.

I didn't mean to slander LEOs at all. Heck, I'm looking into joining a police or sheriff's department in case I don't get AGR. I used the term "goons" because I doubted that they were actually soldiers or LEOs or any government officials and because the vid was obviously trying to make it look like they were being brutal towards an "innocent" protester and that they are part of some underhanded attempt by the government to oppress everyone. Again, the fact that it looked like they only had uniforms was what threw me off, but its been proven otherwise that they were in fact part of the police so I'm backing down on my claims. Again, I apologize if my use of the word "goons" came off as disrespectful.

[tyovan]

They're LE with two types of visible ID. Trust me on that.

[Mastermind]

MM, it's already been explained that the guys doing the snatch are cops assigned to a multi-agency SWAT unit, that's why they're wearing various types of uniforms. But for those of you that missed it, here's the actual quote.



And why is it that everyone suddenly wants to refer to the cops as "goons"?
I was a cop...12 years Corrections...my nephew is a cop...supervisor, and DEA...my sister was a cop, now retired, a warden for 15 years, New Mexico State pen. I love cops...most of my friends are cops...these guys are not acting like cops...they are acting like goons...I don't like it when cops play "dress-up" and try to act like the fking Marines of Iwo Jima. I fully comprehend the principles of good police work and I appreciate situational innovation. This is not like anything I have ever witnessed...not even in the LA riots. These guys are acting very "cowboyish" and that is what gets cops a bad name, and it gets cops hurt. This is not what any cop likes to see going on.

[Macs.]

These guys are acting very "cowboyish" and that is what gets cops a bad name, and it gets cops hurt. This is not what any cop likes to see going on.

What didn't you like ? The outfits or how it was handled ?

I believe that snatch squads in such situations are a good choice. Especially in this situation the problem could have been that a advancing of a group of regular riot cops would have caused the crowd and the suspect to move away.

Observe criminal activity and record/photograph it - Sweep into the crowd and arrest the suspect. Standard procedur here, and it has proven to be very effective in such circumstances like the G20/G8 protests where you have a large number of bystanders and some violent elements within.

[Dominique]

I was a cop...12 years Corrections...my nephew is a cop...supervisor, and DEA...my sister was a cop, now retired, a warden for 15 years, New Mexico State pen. I love cops...most of my friends are cops...these guys are not acting like cops...they are acting like goons...I don't like it when cops play "dress-up" and try to act like the fking Marines of Iwo Jima. I fully comprehend the principles of good police work and I appreciate situational innovation. This is not like anything I have ever witnessed...not even in the LA riots. These guys are acting very "cowboyish" and that is what gets cops a bad name, and it gets cops hurt. This is not what any cop likes to see going on.

MM, I've gotta disagree with you on this one. I don't see how they were acting "cowboyish". They didn't rill up, guns drawn screaming and yelling. The guys rolled in, and did a quick snatch job. No fuss, no muss. Think back to your corrections days, and doing cell extractions, I'm quite sure, to someone who didn't know what was going on, it would look like a bunch of guys in riot gear jumping on a poor little inmate. But, as you know, that's not how it happens. You train to use the minimum necessary to get the guy to comply with your commands.

As far as their uniforms go, they wear what they're issued. As I said, I know Pittsburgh PD was issuing MC to it's tactical team guys. Just as I'm sure you wore the gear your department issued you.

[Kaplanr]

As I understand there is no US army or US military at the G-20, so what are these guys doing dressed up shoving some hippie into a car.

people have a right to protest but this vid looks weird and disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttseHGOgSo

Is it a set up?

But there was PA National Guard. All in all the security folks here were hell bent on not having another London or Seattle. Relative to other cities it went off pretty peacefully here; relative to Pittsburgh it was about as bad as Detroit when they win something.

Thanks to Patriot Act there's way too much room for warrantless searches and Chiefs of Police being able to declare any gathering an illegal whatever.

[Kaplanr]

How big are these protests anyway? Its not like there's an impending war going on. Are these people mostly "the usual suspects" who try to get arrested?

Depends on the place. The march yesterday (Friday) had from 5000-10,000; in a city of 330,000. Problem with Pgh. is our topography. Valleys and hills make some of the neighborhoods seem like isolated hamlets. About 2500 tried marching thursday (without any permit) and were thwarted pretty fast. They were headed off from marching downtown and disbursed into several adjoining neighborhoods -- where they trashed dumpsters, broke some windows and otherwise made pains in the ass of themselves.

[Kaplanr]

Some vandalizing asshole gets arrested and suddenly everyone becomes flush with law enforcement experience or an expert in criminal law...:roll:

I know a few people that have gone to events like this and there's usually one reason that keeps getting brought up: easy access to hippie broads.

All the ones I've seen were at least a year overdue for a bath. The crabs probably are dead by now.

[iammyne]

It's a shame this is really the only aspect of the security for G-20 being discussed on this forum.
There were thousands of highly professional people there, committed to allowing the protesters to peacefully exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
G-20 security was not conducted by 'goons'.


Absolutely true...I second that.
My sincere thanks to all the souls in uniform who were extremely professional and I'm saying this cause I was in pburg and saw them in action.

[Hollis]

MM, it's already been explained that the guys doing the snatch are cops assigned to a multi-agency SWAT unit, that's why they're wearing various types of uniforms. But for those of you that missed it, here's the actual quote.



What lot of people don't understand that no agency has enough people to handle events like this. Jurisdiction will have mutual aid agreement with other jurisdictions. They will draw from all the communities around to help bring in sufficient people to keep any violence (if any) from escalating. Same is done with fire, EMTs, etc.

[Alpheus]

nvm, already covered.

[2495]

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5327/blog40.jpg

A clearer shot of the arm ID they wore that day.

[Dan2004]

Let them protest, they are exercising their given rights by our government. If you don't like the rights afforded to you, or someone else, get out....:cantbeli:

The thing about our Constitutional Rights, is that they are not granted to us by the government, but are preexisting. The Constitution establishes those rights, and it's the governments job to safeguard those rights. Which, in fairly recent memory, they haven't done a very good job of.

They can't just make up new rights, or take them away. They can however, fool you into thinking they can. Which is what screws us over every time.

[Kaplanr]

What lot of people don't understand that no agency has enough people to handle events like this. Jurisdiction will have mutual aid agreement with other jurisdictions. They will draw from all the communities around to help bring in sufficient people to keep any violence (if any) from escalating. Same is done with fire, EMTs, etc.

Beyond FBI, ATF and Secret Service, there were approx. an additional 2500 non Pittsburgh Police here. Our force is only 900 strong, and they wanted about 4000 for the two days. The bulk were made up of PA State Police, maybe a 100-150 from neighboring locales (groups of 5-10 from each) and police forces from around the country - Baltimore, Charlotte, Cleveland, Erie, etc.) plus PA National Guard in the downtown area and at key entry points into the city.

[chauncy republicans]

MM, I've gotta disagree with you on this one. I don't see how they were acting "cowboyish". They didn't rill up, guns drawn screaming and yelling. The guys rolled in, and did a quick snatch job.

Snatching up unruly protesters the way they did in the video is a good way to quickly get trouble off the streets in a way that doesn't leave anybody time to organize a 'rescue attempt', or impede the officer's actions.
The problem I have though is the lack of CLEAR identification, now I know some of our future stormtroopers on the board will say the arm bands are enough, but I can assure you that in the heat of the moment a little arm badge with no hi-viz markings will be pretty hard to see. For officer safety I would recommend better I.D. markings, that way they don't get their asses shot off by a carrying citizen. I can assure you there are people out there who's survival instincts will kick in if a couple of camo'd guys jump out of an unmarked car and try and jam them into it.

[Hollis]

Snatching up unruly protesters the way they did in the video is a good way to quickly get trouble off the streets in a way that doesn't leave anybody time to organize a 'rescue attempt', or impede the officer's actions.
The problem I have though is the lack of CLEAR identification, now I know some of our future stormtroopers on the board will say the arm bands are enough, but I can assure you that in the heat of the moment a little arm badge with no hi-viz markings will be pretty hard to see. For officer safety I would recommend better I.D. markings, that way they don't get their asses shot off by a carrying citizen. I can assure you there are people out there who's survival instincts will kick in if a couple of camo'd guys jump out of a unmarked car and try and jam them into it.

Stormtroopers? Kind of carrying partisan political BS a little too far. They where not hired after Obama was elected. Maybe where hired when Bush was president.

[chauncy republicans]

I'm indulging the fantasies of the younger crowd here on MP.net, not trying to make insulting comparisons with our men in uniform. You don't have to read between the lines of my posts, I say what I mean, if I wanted to make a political statement I would have.

[Dominique]

identification, now I know some of our future stormtroopers

And exactly what do you mean with the above quote?


on the board will say the arm bands are enough, but I can assure you that in the heat of the moment a little arm badge with no hi-viz markings will be pretty hard to see. For officer safety I would recommend better I.D. markings, that way they don't get their asses shot off by a carrying citizen. I can assure you there are people out there who's survival instincts will kick in if a couple of camo'd guys jump out of a unmarked car and try and jam them into it.

And how many of these law abiding, CCW citizens are wondering through an unruly crowd of protesters? Because I guarantee that the very next thing that will happen is a larger number of law enforcement officers will blow the sh*t out of the individual that starts shooting at the snatch team, anyone working UC, or in plain clothes.

[chauncy republicans]

And how many of these law abiding, CCW citizens are wondering through an unruly crowd of protesters? Because I guarantee that the very next thing that will happen is a larger number of law enforcement officers will blow the sh*t out of the individual that starts shooting at the snatch team, anyone working UC, or in plain clothes.
So? It's not a competition it's called crowd control.

[Hollis]

Unlike the paranoiac anti-gun people, I doubt if CCW holders would be involved in a riot as the bad guys. I have never read a report anywhere that a CCW holder shot a good guy, especially a officer.

[LineDoggie]

You'd have to be an Idiot as a CCW to pull a gun during a Protest when the Police are there trying to keep the peace with a crowd throwing rocks and vandalizing property, setting fires.

[chauncy republicans]

How do you know who the hell the Police are when they aren't clearly Identified as such? For all you know it could be the hoodlums posing as Police.
Whats next, poorly marked traffic stops and entry teams?

[Hollis]

How do you know who the hell the Police are when they aren't clearly Identified as such? For all you know it could be the hoodlums posing as Police.
Whats next, poorly marked traffic stops and entry teams?


Cops, have short hair

Hippies long hair

Cops tend to be older and well bath

Hippies tend to young and soap is not their friend.




I guess you have to be their to understand.

Maybe mutual aid agreement with departments that don't spend a lot of $$ on high speed attire and they did not want their issued uniforms messed up. I guess we should allocate more money to PDs, to they can go 100% high speed.

psst, meant to be humorous.

[chauncy republicans]

You can never trust an American who doesn't like red meat.
Like the 9/11 attackers trying to look 'western', the hippies might use the environmental abomination otherwise known as soap to disguise their true intentions, if the situation is really serious they might even eat a hamburger, but that would probably be a little too ballsy for a hippie.


I guess you have to be their to understand. That would be the end of my reputation if anybody spotted me, it's like riding a fat chick, it's all fun and games until your friends find out.

I'm all for allocating more money to L.E., and I'm sure our officers wouldn't mind a little more tacticool gear for free. Lets start a petition.

[Fuschimuschi]

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5327/blog40.jpg

A clearer shot of the arm ID they wore that day.

I really wish our police in Germany would need to wear such ID.

[b0sco]

Give them the same equipment and ROE, then we can talk.

[LineDoggie]

How do you know who the hell the Police are when they aren't clearly Identified as such? For all you know it could be the hoodlums posing as Police.
Whats next, poorly marked traffic stops and entry teams?

Generally, Protestors dont drive Crown Vic's wearing Tactical Uniforms

Generally, Protestors dont snatch their fellow protestors and drive TOWARDS the Police.....

Generally the violent protestors throwing rocks arent the thirtysomethings, but the punk kids.

I'm not a cop, but as soon as I saw the Video I knew it was cops from the tactic of a Snatch team in civil disturbances. It is a classic execution of the tactic, they were in, got their man and out before the crowd could intervene and attempt to free him.

No one was hurt, the Target was apprehended safely and armchair commandos are still bitching about why his miranda wasnt read to him on camera, why cops wear Camo or military like uniforms and talk big about opening fire, where their headgear was, why they werent wearing body armor visibly, duty belts, ticket books, used safety cones, caution tape, and thermos of coffee........:roll:


It was classic example that should be used in training, IMO


but hey lets say they were Stormtroopers, or that those here who agreed with it are Stormtroopers/living out fantasy as Stormtroopers:roll:

This is just as Bad as Birthers and Truthers with their fugazy theories

[Soldat_Américain]

Beyond FBI, ATF and Secret Service, there were approx. an additional 2500 non Pittsburgh Police here. Our force is only 900 strong, and they wanted about 4000 for the two days. The bulk were made up of PA State Police, maybe a 100-150 from neighboring locales (groups of 5-10 from each) and police forces from around the country - Baltimore, Charlotte, Cleveland, Erie, etc.) plus PA National Guard in the downtown area and at key entry points into the city.

How do you keep the peace with only 900, in LA we have like 10,000.

[wild_wild_wes]

Cops tend to be older and well bath

Hippies tend to young and soap is not their friend.

Very true.

A couple years ago we had one of these economic summits here in Sacramento. I work downtown so at lunchtime I strolled on over to the protests to check out the scene. I found the Anarchists, and man did those freaks stink. No bathing in days, at least. Plus the cowards were wearing bandannas over their faces.

[Connaught Ranger]

Generally, Protestors dont drive Crown Vic's wearing Tactical Uniforms

Generally, Protestors dont snatch their fellow protestors and drive TOWARDS the Police.....

Generally the violent protestors throwing rocks arent the thirtysomethings, but the punk kids.

I'm not a cop, but as soon as I saw the Video I knew it was cops from the tactic of a Snatch team in civil disturbances. It is a classic execution of the tactic, they were in, got their man and out before the crowd could intervene and attempt to free him.

No one was hurt, the Target was apprehended safely and armchair commandos are still bitching about why his miranda wasnt read to him on camera, why cops wear Camo or military like uniforms and talk big about opening fire, where their headgear was, why they werent wearing body armor visibly, duty belts, ticket books, used safety cones, caution tape, and thermos of coffee........:roll:


It was classic example that should be used in training, IMO


but hey lets say they were Stormtroopers, or that those here who agreed with it are Stormtroopers/living out fantasy as Stormtroopers:roll:

This is just as Bad as Birthers and Truthers with their fugazy theories

Donuts, dont forget to mention the donuts. rofl

[wild_wild_wes]

I'm not a cop, but as soon as I saw the Video I knew it was cops from the tactic of a Snatch team in civil disturbances. It is a classic execution of the tactic, they were in, got their man and out before the crowd could intervene and attempt to free him.

It was classic example that should be used in training, IMO

I don't think the driver getting out was very smart.

[Laconian]

God help me, I've read this whole thread. The initial video is a pretty good example of a snatch and grab as taught in Field Force (the PC term for riot control). A subject had been arrested by a foot element and a mobile unit was brought in to get the subject out of the AO. Pretty standard stuff really, and I don't see what everyone has their panties in a wad about. They don't throw the guy a beating (or tase him, OMG); they just popped an arm bar on him and tossed him in the cruiser.

A lot of teams use camo clothing - it kinda helps when you do tactical stuff.

[chauncy republicans]

Generally, Protestors dont drive Crown Vic's wearing Tactical Uniforms

Generally, Protestors dont snatch their fellow protestors and drive TOWARDS the Police.....

Generally the violent protestors throwing rocks arent the thirtysomethings, but the punk kids.

I'm not a cop, but as soon as I saw the Video I knew it was cops from the tactic of a Snatch team in civil disturbances. It is a classic execution of the tactic, they were in, got their man and out before the crowd could intervene and attempt to free him.

No one was hurt, the Target was apprehended safely and armchair commandos are still bitching about why his miranda wasnt read to him on camera, why cops wear Camo or military like uniforms and talk big about opening fire, where their headgear was, why they werent wearing body armor visibly, duty belts, ticket books, used safety cones, caution tape, and thermos of coffee........:roll:

It was classic example that should be used in training, IMO


but hey lets say they were Stormtroopers, or that those here who agreed with it are Stormtroopers/living out fantasy as Stormtroopers:roll:

This is just as Bad as Birthers and Truthers with their fugazy theories
You either didn't read my post very well, or else you already have preconceived notions about my political leanings and therefore try to insinuate there is some kind of cryptic message hidden in my post, pretty ****ing lame. This isn't your favorite football team, so why don't you leave your little femininely emotional drivel at the sewing circle?
If you want to discuss things like a big-boy I'm more than willing, but right now your attempting to derail my criticism of poor identification into a petty little rant against Police officers.

[Hollis]

God help me, I've read this whole thread. The initial video is a pretty good example of a snatch and grab as taught in Field Force (the PC term for riot control). A subject had been arrested by a foot element and a mobile unit was brought in to get the subject out of the AO. Pretty standard stuff really, and I don't see what everyone has their panties in a wad about. They don't throw the guy a beating (or tase him, OMG); they just popped an arm bar on him and tossed him in the cruiser.



Maybe that is the problem, They didn't ruff 'em and cuff 'em and do all sorts of nasties on the poor citizen's body. Problem with professionals, no show for the audience.

[Dominique]

How do you know who the hell the Police are when they aren't clearly Identified as such? For all you know it could be the hoodlums posing as Police?

So let me get this straight. A group of protesters somehow manage to get a vehicle into an area that's pretty much going to be locked own, and are going to be randomly driving around snatching people off the street? :roll:

[Dominique]

How do you keep the peace with only 900, in LA we have like 10,000.

Pittsburgh has a smaller population than LA. LA is second largest city in the US.

[Soldat_Américain]

Pittsburgh has a smaller population than LA. LA is second largest city in the US.

For some reason I thought Pittsburgh was large enough to need at least 1,000 officers.

[Dominique]

God help me, I've read this whole thread. The initial video is a pretty good example of a snatch and grab as taught in Field Force (the PC term for riot control). A subject had been arrested by a foot element and a mobile unit was brought in to get the subject out of the AO. Pretty standard stuff really, and I don't see what everyone has their panties in a wad about. They don't throw the guy a beating (or tase him, OMG); they just popped an arm bar on him and tossed him in the cruiser.

A lot of teams use camo clothing - it kinda helps when you do tactical stuff.

This sh*t kills me, every time, and I do mean EVERY TIME, a LE topic comes up, everyone chimes in with their "expert" legal opinion, on what the cops should have done, or what they would have done, or how were living in a police state, etc., when 99% of them don't have a phucking clue what the hell they're talking about.

I suggest that if you really want to put your money where your mouth is, I don't know of a LE agency that isn't short handed. Stroll your happy asses down to their human resource office and fill out an application, as I'm sure they could use a few additional bodies.

[Dominique]

For some reason I thought Pittsburgh was large enough to need at least 1,000 officers.

It varies from area to area. For example, here in VA, Virgina Beach is the largest city in the state. It's got a population of around 425K, with a 800 man police force. They also have small Bay Bridge Tunnel Police Force, and offices for the VA State Police, and Virginia Marine Police. Norfolk, which borders VA Beach, has a population of roughly 250K, it has a 800 man force, an Airport PD, Port Authority PD, to college PDs, and Rail Road PD. And that's not counting the federal and state agencies that operate in the city.

[BigDukaroo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J23HNJBbpcg

[Hollis]

Video link removed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J23HNJBbpcg)


That has what to do with G20 protest...... ?


She threw her bike at the cops.

[RA88IT]

To be honest I believe this is all truly a game. The law enforcement got to put on their Halloween Custom as Fascist to demonstrate how cool they look. As for the kids they dress up to be rebellious like the third Intifada. Just so they can go back to school showing with a 60second phone video to show to some shi7ty bench friends. Plus anarchy is too broad of an idea to take too seriously when you cant live without an Iphone.

[Laconian]

To be honest I believe this is all truly a game. The law enforcement got to put on their Halloween Custom as Fascist to demonstrate how cool they look. As for the kids they dress up to be rebellious like the third Intifada. Just so they can go back to school showing with a 60second phone video to show to some shi7ty bench friends. Plus anarchy is too broad of an idea to take too seriously when you cant live without an Iphone.

BRILLIANT! Move to the head of the class. Put on the dunce cap and sit in the corner. Chucklehead.

[timetraveller]

G20 like the G8 summit's attract the wannabee hooligans out for a week's worth of havoc ...

That group of people that you never seen any other time's

[BigDukaroo]

That has what to do with G20 protest...... ?


She threw her bike at the cops.

That was long after the cop took a swing at her with his baton. Do you think what he did was appropriate?

G20+Protesters= G20 Protest.

[Zoomie]

BRILLIANT! Move to the head of the class. Put on the dunce cap and sit in the corner. Chucklehead.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it ironic that someone calling the cops facist, has 88 integrated in their username?

[LineDoggie]

To be honest I believe this is all truly a game. The law enforcement got to put on their Halloween Custom as Fascist to demonstrate how cool they look. As for the kids they dress up to be rebellious like the third Intifada. Just so they can go back to school showing with a 60second phone video to show to some shi7ty bench friends. Plus anarchy is too broad of an idea to take too seriously when you cant live without an Iphone.
Whats with the "88" in the screename?

[Soldat_Américain]

Whats with the "88" in the screename?
H3'5 4tt3mpt1n9 t0 b3 l33t.