Anti abortion protestor murdered

[megjur]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan.shooting/

Hmmm..where the media circus that surrounded Dr. Tillers murder? Someone murders an anti abortion advocate and it's crickets chirping...Tiller gets killed and it hysteria over right wing Christian death squads targeting abortion providers. Once again it's the same old double standard.

[avedis]

It wouldn't fit their narrative. Besides their busy investigating whether the guy who was hung at a tea party with the word "fed" supposably on him.

Crazy people exist on all sides. Hell there are no sides. Politics is circular the far left and right at some point connect. Examples of this are the 9/11 truthers which exist on both sides. SURPRISE.

[budgie]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan.shooting/

Hmmm..where the media circus that surrounded Dr. Tillers murder? Someone murders an anti abortion advocate and it's crickets chirping...Tiller gets killed and it hysteria over right wing Christian death squads targeting abortion providers. Once again it's the same old double standard.

You found it on CNN apparently, one of the most watched and read news sources in the world. Duuh...

[avedis]

Is it all over the my tv screen like the tiller case.....hmmmm no duh

thank you try again.

[nemowork]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan.shooting/

Hmmm..where the media circus that surrounded Dr. Tillers murder? Someone murders an anti abortion advocate and it's crickets chirping...Tiller gets killed and it hysteria over right wing Christian death squads targeting abortion providers. Once again it's the same old double standard.

Through the advocacy of the anti-abortion crowd and people like Bill O'Reilly and FOX news, a comparative non-entity like Dr Tiller became the totemic face of a political struggle.

He was internationally famous or at least notorious, add to that the frisson of his being shot down in church by a supposedly non-violent church going movement and you have a media event.

The right wing built him up and put him on a pedestal, people were going to notice when he got knocked down again.

This other guy is a complete non-entity, nobody except his family knows who he is, until these arrests nobody till now knows why he was killed, if it was political or personal or any of a dozen bad reasons.

You can't compare the two!

[budgie]

Is it all over the my tv screen like the tiller case.....hmmmm no duh

thank you try again.

Okay second try. If it's on CNN it's not exaclty crickets chirping. On the other hand the sound of you guys whining is positively cacophanous.

[avedis]

So your saying if I turn on the news I'll be hearing the story?

[budgie]

What are you twelve? "So what you're saying is..." is always a terrible way to start. Read my goddam post again to see what I am saying, I don't do subliminal messages:

It is my opinion the story has sufficient coverage if it is on CNN.

And unlike what is suggested in the OP, if it is on a global network, there's no press conspiracy to keep it on the lowdown. As Neomowrk said, IF the killing proves to be politically motivated AND IF it were part of a shilling trend, AND if the victim were particularly high-profile it might warrant a 'media frenzy'.

So far it is getting the coverage it deserves.

[SilentType]

The total lack of respect for a Vietnam Veteran who was killed exercising his First Amendment right is sickening. :-(

The man was doing what he believed to be saving the lives of children. He was exercising his Constitutional right to free expression that he shed blood to preserve for everyone. He was doing so in a peaceful manner. He was shot in cold blood.

His death certainly merits the same amount of observance as that of Dr. Tiller if not more. It's at best a serious oversight by the media and at worst evidence of media bias.

[avedis]

What are you twelve? "So what you're saying is..." is always a terrible way to start. Read my goddam post again to see what I am saying, I don't do subliminal messages:

It is my opinion the story has sufficient coverage if it is on CNN.

And unlike what is suggested in the OP, if it is on a global network, there's no press conspiracy to keep it on the lowdown. As Neomowrk said, IF the killing proves to be politically motivated AND IF it were part of a shilling trend, AND if the victim were particularly high-profile it might warrant a 'media frenzy'.

So far it is getting the coverage it deserves.


So what your saying Tiller's case is more important than this?

[budgie]

All murders are equally important.

But I will say I agree with nemowork that better known cases get more media scrunity.

It's sad that the press and news services attach a different amount of 'importance' to murder cases based on the level of profile, but that is the reality. Should Tiller's case be the first in a series of politically motivated slayings, then later cases as well as his own will no doubt be elevated. Heck he may even get a law named after him.

But once again back to the original "what budgie is saying," There's not exatcty media silence on the matter: You can type in the name and get any number of hits on the same story and said story is on CNN.

[avedis]

Sorry for being facetious Budgie. There may not be media silence. I just don't see cnn's website as an equal to it's tv channel. Its like the difference between front page of a news paper and the 12 pages in. But maybe my logic is wrong.

And no I am not saying there is a media conspiracy, but there is an audience and you give them what they want to see. No different than Fox.

[budgie]

I read a study once that showed when viewers take sides over an issue they tend to think news coverage - even relatively imapartial coverage - showed their side in a bad light:

During the first Intifada, pro-Palestine and pro-Israel audeinces were shown the same news footage and each side thought the very same stories were kinder to the other. Hows that? Well, even mere mention of anything thie side may have done wrong was considered extreme bias, because they felt strongly about it. Needless to say because of their own bias, neither trusted the media.

Now is it not possible that the pro-life side, or conservatives in general rgeardless of their specific stance in abortion, consider any volume of reporting on abortion-clinic attacks to be a 'media circus' and that any such crime committed by pro-choicers against the pro-life camp is underreported?

In any case since this is possibly the first crime of its kind, it may remain to be seen how big the 'media frenzy' gets.

[avedis]

Well I'll wait and see.

I'll be keeping an eye on this case as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/25/us/AP-US-Census-Worker-Hanged.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

[megjur]

The Tiller case even got more coverage than the U.S. Army recruiters killed by a crazed Muslim that same week. The Tiller case matched the liberal world view that anti abortion people are all crazed lunatics, so they ran with the Tiller story. This killing of the anti abortion protestor, well, it goes against liberal conventional wisdom, it doesn't fit in with their world view, so although they are bound to give it some coverage, they'd be just as happy if it quietly went away. The incident involving the anti abortion murder took place on 9/11 and it's just now being brought up, mainly beacuse the story was essentially buried. If it was headline news, like Tiller, it would have been discussed on the day it happened.

[Kaplanr]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan.shooting/

Hmmm..where the media circus that surrounded Dr. Tillers murder? Someone murders an anti abortion advocate and it's crickets chirping...Tiller gets killed and it hysteria over right wing Christian death squads targeting abortion providers. Once again it's the same old double standard.

Give me a break. Primary difference is it seems he was killer was "upset" at what was displayed outside the school, and not because he (the killer) was a die-hard "choicer". Follows up this killing with another one unrelated to abortion or anything else in the social-political issues of the day. Looks like he was a murderer without much of any ideological agenda.

On to Dr. Tiller and previous provider murders. The doctors were subjects of deliberate demonization and the rhetoric against them ratcheted up to such a level that it was to be expected that someone would take matters into their own hands. So yeah, the two are completely separate when it comes to incitement and expectations.

[avedis]

On to Dr. Tiller and previous provider murders. The doctors were subjects of deliberate demonization and the rhetoric against them ratcheted up to such a level that it was to be expected that someone would take matters into their own hands. So yeah, the two are completely separate when it comes to incitement and expectations.

Its called personal responsibility. It's like saying all the rhetoric against President Reagan got him shot or Kennedy killed and not a sick and twisted mind. Hell what about all the crazies trying to kill President Obama. Is that Bill O'reilly's fault too? It's seems like an excuse.

[Kaplanr]

Maybe Yigal Amir is more fitting. Listen to enough responsible and authoritative people telling you that the man you're pre-disposed to disdain is a traitor, going against God's word ... boom.