Film director Roman Polanski taken into custody on a 31-year-old US arrest warrant

[Scriptable]

No statute of limitations on charges of having *** with a 13 year old?



Roman Polanski 'held in Zurich'

Film director Roman Polanski has been taken into custody on a 31-year-old US arrest warrant, organisers of the Zurich Film Festival have said.

The organisers say Polanski, 76, was detained by police on Saturday as he travelled to Switzerland from France to collect a lifetime achievement award.

Police in Zurich could not immediately confirm the information.

Mr Polanski admitted unlawful *** with a 13-year-old girl in 1977, but fled to France before sentencing.

He was initially indicted on six felony counts and faced up to life in prison.

In recent years, he has tried to have the rape case dismissed, but a US judge formally rejected that request in May.

Judge Peter Espinoza agreed there was misconduct by the judge in the original case, but said Mr Polanski must return to the US to apply for dismissal.

Mr Polanski's lawyers said he would not return to the US because he would be immediately arrested as a fugitive.

The Polish-born filmmaker has not set foot in the US for more than 30 years. He has even avoided shooting in the UK for fear of extradition.

His Oscar for directing 2002's The Pianist was collected by Harrison Ford.

The organisers of the Zurich Film Festival said Polanski's detention had caused "shock and dismay," but that they would go ahead with a planned retrospective of the director's work on Sunday.

source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8277176.stm)

[Invisigoth]

He had it comin', he had it comin', he only had himself to blame.

[rgjbloke]

Well this is going to be interesting. Nobody is above the law and most people would probaby have been banged up so they couldn't flee. It's interesting that he admitted it at the time but has recently spent time trying to get the trial overturned. Look's like he could be going to an American prison in the near future for several years.

[Scriptable]

Look's like he could be going to an American prison in the near future for several years.
He could end up dead like that Japanese guy arrested recently by US authorities when he visited Saipan then sent to a Los Angeles lockup where he was murdered prior to trial. The LAPD still claims it was suicide but the independent pathologist stated he suffered wounds consistent with a choking and beating (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-miura21).

[Breakfast in Vegas]

He could end up dead like that Japanese guy arrested recently by US authorities when he visited Saipan then sent to a Los Angeles lockup where he was murdered prior to trial. The LAPD still claims it was suicide but the independent pathologist stated he suffered wounds consistent with a choking and beating (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-miura21).Polanksi's "victim" has since forgiven him. Wonder if that makes a difference in his prosecution?

She can't drop charges though IIRC, since the state is the accuser.

Karma's a bitch Roman.

[Scriptable]

Polanksi's "victim" has since forgiven him. Wonder if that makes a difference in his prosecution?

She can't drop charges though IIRC, since the state is the accuser.

Karma's a bitch Roman.
Yeah, the piper must be paid. But given his fame he may be lucky and escape being suicided by U.S. police.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Yeah, the piper must be paid. But given his fame he may be lucky and escape being suicided by U.S. police.Curiously, the murderer of Sharon Tate (his ex who was pregnant when the Manson family killed her in the Helter Skelter murders) just died recently.

[Paddy51]

I like the Swiss attitude. They invite him over, he gets nicked, but hey, the party goes ahead anyway.....

[Geezah]

Charges and guilty plea
Polanski was initially charged with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor.

Imprisonment and flight
Following the plea agreement, according to the aforementioned documentary, the court ordered Polanski to report to a state prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation, but granted a stay of ninety days to allow him to complete his current project. Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad. Polanski returned to California and reported to Chino State Prison for the evaluation period, and was released after 42 days.

On February 1, 1978, Polanski fled to London, where he maintained residency. A day later he traveled on to France, where he held citizenship, avoiding the risk of extradition to the U.S. by Britain. Consistent with its extradition treaty with the United States, France can refuse to extradite its own citizens. An extradition request later filed by U.S. officials was denied. The United States government can request that Polanski be prosecuted on the California charges by the French authorities.

Polanski has never returned to England, and later sold his home in absentia. The United States can still request the arrest and extradition of Polanski from other countries should he visit them, and Polanski has avoided visits to countries that are likely to extradite him (such as the UK) and mostly travels and works in France, Germany, the Czech Republic and Poland.

Later developments in the case
In a 2003 interview, Samantha Geimer said, "Straight up, what he did to me was wrong. But I wish he would return to America so the whole ordeal can be put to rest for both of us." Furthermore, "I'm sure if he could go back, he wouldn't do it again. He made a terrible mistake but he's paid for it".

In 2008, Geimer stated in an interview that she wishes Polanski would be forgiven, "I think he's sorry, I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he's a danger to society. I don't think he needs to be locked up forever and no one has ever come out ever - besides me - and accused him of anything. It was 30 years ago now. It's an unpleasant memory ... (but) I can live with it."

In 2008, a documentary film of the aftermath of the incident, Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired, premiered at the Sundance Film Festival. Following review of the film, Polanski's attorney, Douglas Dalton, contacted the Los Angeles district attorney's office about prosecutor David Wells' role in coaching judge Rittenband. Based on statements by Wells included in the film, Polanski and Dalton are seeking review of whether the prosecutor acted illegally and engaged in malfeasance in interfering with the operation of the trial.

In December 2008, Polanski's lawyer in the United States filed a request to Judge David S. Wesley to have the case dismissed on the grounds of judicial and prosecutorial misconduct. The filing says that Judge Rittenband (now deceased) violated the plea bargain by keeping in communication about the case with a deputy district attorney who was not involved. These activities were depicted in Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired.

In January 2009, Polanski's lawyer filed a further request to have the case dismissed, and to have the case moved out of Los Angeles, as the Los Angeles courts require him to appear before the court for any sentencing or dismissal, and Polanski will not appear. In February 2009, Polanski's request was tentatively denied by Judge Peter Espinoza, who said that he would make a ruling if Polanski appeared in court.

That same month, Samantha Geimer filed to have the charges against Polanski dismissed from court, saying that decades of publicity as well as the prosecutor's focus on lurid details continues to traumatize her and her family.

On 26 September 2009 Polanski was arrested after entering Switzerland, in relation to an outstanding 1978 US arrest warrant. Polanski had hoped to attend the Zurich Film Festival to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award


Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction)

I always thought it was statutory rape, but I guess I was so wrong........

[Dominique]

Yeah, the piper must be paid. But given his fame he may be lucky and escape being suicided by U.S. police.

WTF are you talking about? Contrary to what you see on TV, the police and correctional personnel don't go around beating and killing prisoners. Yes you do have people that abuse their authority, and commit illegal acts, but the VAST majority do their job. Go crawl back under whatever rock you been hiding under, and quit trolling.

[Dominique]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction)

I always thought it was statutory rape, but I guess I was so wrong........

Nope Polanski invited the girl over to his house to supposedly discuss a role in a movie. He laced a her drink with a drug, and had *** with her. Then he ran after being sentence. If it were anyone else, he'd be rotting in protective custody wing of some maximum prison. How they've let this guy go about his business for so long beyond me.

[BigDukaroo]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction)

I always thought it was statutory rape, but I guess I was so wrong........

Wikipedia isn't a very reliable.


Further development in the case

On 27 September 2009 Polanski, after being arrested and held in a maximum security prison located in Switzerlandeish mountains, has confided in Switzeris authorities about crimes unknown to the public that he has committed. As of today, it has been reported that Polanski received multiple beatings to the rectal area with multiple devices known as a "*****" throughout the prison. Reports of Polanski being transferred to a Swedish Hospital in France are unfounded.[39]

[Rapier55]

He could end up dead like that Japanese guy arrested recently by US authorities when he visited Saipan then sent to a Los Angeles lockup where he was murdered prior to trial. The LAPD still claims it was suicide but the independent pathologist stated he suffered wounds consistent with a choking and beating (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-miura21).
An "independent" criminalogist also said OJ Simpson did not kill his ex-wife.p-)

[Connaught Ranger]

He could end up dead like that Japanese guy arrested recently by US authorities when he visited Saipan then sent to a Los Angeles lockup where he was murdered prior to trial. The LAPD still claims it was suicide but the independent pathologist stated he suffered wounds consistent with a choking and beating (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-miura21).

:cantbeli:

Pure speculation on your behalf and no connection between the two incidents.

[Connaught Ranger]

Yeah, the piper must be paid. But given his fame he may be lucky and escape being suicided by U.S. police.

:cantbeli:X 2

Again pure speculation, where is your evidence that the U.S. Police "suicided" anybody. When you go to a prison its usually full of other nasty people called criminals and not full of the police.

[RECON DOC]

WTF are you talking about? Contrary to what you see on TV, the police and correctional personnel don't go around beating and killing prisoners. Yes you do have people that abuse their authority, and commit illegal acts, but the VAST majority do their job. Go crawl back under whatever rock you been hiding under, and quit trolling.

I have to agree with you. A life long friend of mine worked in a federal correctional facility in Connecticut for about 14 years. He said that for the most part it was pretty quiet with the exception of occasional prisoner on prisoner violence or the odd violent wackjob. The offenders being put in lockdown for a spell. The vast majority of prisoners just want to quietly do their time without making it worse for themselves. The guards prefer to keep it that way and they don't harass, antagonise or abuse the prisoners in any way. This helps improve their (COs) safety as well.
The perves, and babyshakers are kept out of general population for their own protection. Otherwise they'd likely be killed by other inmates.

Although as a guard, he did have the option to cut to the front of the line during gang rapes.p-)

[Robert.V]

Polanksi's "victim" has since forgiven him. Wonder if that makes a difference in his prosecution?

She can't drop charges though IIRC, since the state is the accuser.

Karma's a bitch Roman.


Forgiven him ? She may say that but i doubt she really did. Rape victims very often don't want to relive what happened to them. Especially in a case that is as public as this was and is going to be again.

I feel bad for her that this is going to be in the headlines again. Bringing back horrible memories feelings. And have to go back trial and retelll the whole thing.

Polanski should have rotted in jail if it wasn't for that retarted ****ing judge.

And I can't believe Hollywood still worshipped his ass. ****ing hypocrites.


Nope Polanski invited the girl over to his house to supposedly discuss a role in a movie. He laced a her drink with a drug, and had *** with her. Then he ran after being sentence. If it were anyone else, he'd be rotting in protective custody wing of some maximum prison. How they've let this guy go about his business for so long beyond me.

Not exactly what happend.

[hsh2]

LOL@BigDukaroos quote

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Film-maker Polanski arrested in Switzerland

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Film-maker Roman Polanski is in detention awaiting possible extradiction to the United States after travelling to Switzerland to receive an award.

The 76-year-old was detained in Zurich on Saturday under a 1978 warrant issued by the US.
Zurich police said on Sunday they had carried out an international arrest order on behalf of the Swiss Federal Justice Office. "There is no reason not to carry out a valid international arrest order," a Justice Office spokesman said.
Justice authorities said Polanski has been on a US wanted list since 2005 and was being held in temporary custody awaiting possible extradition. The US will now be given time to make a formal extradition request.
He can contest his detention and any extradition decision in the Swiss courts.
Polanski had travelled to Switzerland to receive a lifetime achievement award from the Zurich Film Festival, as part of a retrospective of his work.
"The festival directors have received this news with great consternation and shock," festival organisers said in a statement posted on their website.
The planned award presentation has been postponed but the retrospective will go ahead so that festival-goers could express their solidarity and admiration for him, organisers added.
Polanski was arrested in the late 1970s and charged with giving drugs and alcohol to a 13-year-old girl and having unlawful *** with her at a photo session at Jack Nicholson's Hollywood home.
Polanski maintained the girl was ******ly experienced and had consented. He spent 42 days in prison undergoing psychiatric tests but fled the country before being sentenced.
His US visa has since been withdrawn and he has been living in exile in France for the past 30 years.
He recently sought dismissal of his case on the grounds of misconduct by the now-deceased judge who had arranged a plea bargain and then reneged on it. Earlier this year the girl involved filed to have the charges dismissed.
"Scandal"

The Swiss Filmmakers Association criticised the arrest, saying it was "not only a grotesque farce of justice, but also an immense cultural scandal".
The French culture minister Frédéric Mitterrand issued a statement on Sunday saying he was "stupefied" to learn of the arrest of the Polish film-maker, whom he added was now a French citizen.
He said he greatly regretted that "a new ordeal should be inflicted on someone who has already suffered so much" and added that Nicolas Sarkozy was closely following the case and shared the hope that the situation would be resolved quickly.
Polanski became a naturalised French citizen in 1976. In the past he has avoided countries that were likely to extradite him.
Polanski's agent in Los Angeles was not available for comment.
swissinfo.ch and agencies.


According to the NZZ he was nabbed directly at Zurich Airport.
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schweiz/polanski_1.3685254.html

Talk about having a bad day:lol:

[LineDoggie]

He was in his forties and gave her qaaludes and champaign to rape her at 13. ANyone else he wouold have been in jail years ago. Watch for the Free Roman speeches at awards shows soon as Hollywood shows it supports a pedophile rapist

[grenadier07]

Since he admitted guilt he should have just faced up to his sentence 30 years ago and gotten it over with.

[Geezah]

"FreeeeEEEEeeeeee Roman Polanskiiiiiiiiiii"

I can see it now, they substitute Nelson Mandela for Roman...................

I wonder how many of the Hollywood elite are willing to take a chance with their careers?

Maybe there will be a Michael "Fat Bastard" Moore movie soon..........

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Forgiven him ? She may say that but i doubt she really did. Rape victims very often don't want to relive what happened to them. Especially in a case that is as public as this was and is going to be again.
You are right... in "forgiving" him she basically said she wanted the whole thing to finally be over with, but did believe he felt remorse and wouldn't do it again.

She called for the case to be dropped some time ago, as every time it comes up lewd details resurface about the incident. I can't read her mind though.

He was in his forties and gave her qaaludes and champaign to rape her at 13. ANyone else he wouold have been in jail years ago. Watch for the Free Roman speeches at awards shows soon as Hollywood shows it supports a pedophile rapistIt'll be an interesting litmus test on some of Hollywood's more outspoken types.

An ex-Mr.Madonna comes to mind.

I tend to think however that most won't touch the subject at all.

[LineDoggie]

I wonder when the che shirts with roman on them start appearing

[Dercius]

Well, he made good films......
on the other hand, he is a confessed and guilty child rapist.....
so.........
fVck him, he should have rotten in jail long ago
good for Switzerland authorities

[Umbro2914]

many are forgetting that he only pled guilty as part of a plea bargain which the judge f*ked up. So who really knows what happened.

[rgjbloke]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction)

I always thought it was statutory rape, but I guess I was so wrong........

Thank's for that information. It answered a few question's in my mind.

[Hollis]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction)

I always thought it was statutory rape, but I guess I was so wrong........


Stat rape is when a underage person agrees to have intercourse. This was not the case.


The guy is a sleaze.

[Geezah]

many are forgetting that he only pled guilty as part of a plea bargain which the judge f*ked up. So who really knows what happened.

Surely a plea deal would imply guilt on the part of those taking the plea bargain?

I do not feel sorry for him.

[Hollis]

many are forgetting that he only pled guilty as part of a plea bargain which the judge f*ked up. So who really knows what happened.


Maybe we have a pretty good idea. I mean, those of use who understands how this works.

[WKD]

Haha.

What suprises me about this whole thing is that he was arrested in Switzerland.

[LineDoggie]

many are forgetting that he only pled guilty as part of a plea bargain which the judge f*ked up. So who really knows what happened.
Grand Jury testimony
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskia1.html

Makes for interesting reading. Take away the Polanski reputation and he would have been another scumbag kiddie fiddler. Add Money, Hollywood and "Art" and he is misunderstood :roll:

[SkyUS]

I just hope that his fame won't make a difference in the court. You reap what you sow. Karma is a bitch.

Let's see what the court decides.

[Olybrius]

Haha.

What suprises me about this whole thing is that he was arrested in Switzerland.

sudden excess of zeal ...


"One of the reasons I'm absolutely shocked and stunned by his arrest is that we have worked together extensively in Switzerland, where he has a home," Harris said.

"If he was such a wanted criminal why did they let him own a house and travel back and forth freely?"

"It is hard not to believe that this heavy-handed action must be in some way politically motivated and I hope that the Swiss authorities will release him as soon as possible."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8277176.stm

[Connaught Ranger]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090927/tpl-uk-polanski-arrest-4b8df73.html


"I am shocked that any man of 76, whether distinguished or not, should have been treated in such a fashion," said best-selling British writer Robert Harris who worked with Polanski to make his book "The Ghost" into a film.

Mmmmm! I wonder did he (Harris) bother to think of the real victim and how she was treated at the time of the original incident and the immediate days following the rape.

[Olybrius]

lol no doubt he's a pedophile rapist for the average conservative bawler ...but i highly doubt he will be extraded as he's receiving a strong support from several european gov.

And i bet some help to clear problems with lybia would be appreciated in Switzerland

[LineDoggie]

lol no doubt he's a pedophile rapist for the average conservative bawler ...but i highly doubt he will be extraded as he's receiving a strong support from several european gov.

No he's a Pedophile rapist for anyone with a Brain. Read the Grand Jury testimony

He drugged her, Sodomized her

I dont think him being rightly sent to jail should be a Conservative or Liberal Issue, but one of a Fleeing Convicted Felon who escaped and didnt serve a day for his crime. I Guarantee if you were a Parent and someone did this to your little girl you'd be looking to rent a woodchipper.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

All those pleading for Polanski's release either are morally bankrupt or haven't a clue about what he was originally charged for.

They are defending a guy who drugged and raped a 13-year old girl. His crime doesn't have a half-life. Beyond that, he fled the accusations and has been making a mockery of justice for 30 years. This isn't the case of a cute old misunderstood artist committing a "party foul". His crime was heinous.

About time he faces the music and Sarkozy, Mitterand and co. would be wise to let this thing pan out without defending him.

[Olybrius]

blah blah blah ... the average conservative bawler only read what he wants to read.

I wonder why Polansky ,<< under the terms set by the court ,was permitted to travel abroad ... >> if he was a real pedophile rapist .. shame on US justice !!
<< These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor.[32]>>

etc etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction

but i don't really care, such debate is a waste of time ..

[LineDoggie]

blah blah blah ... the average conservative bawler only read what he wants to read.



but i don't really care, such debate is a waste of time ..Debate with you is definitely a waste of time as in a battle of wits your unarmed.

[Zoomie]

blah blah blah ... the average conservative bawler only read what he wants to read.

I wonder why Polansky ,<< under the terms set by the court ,was permitted to travel abroad ... >> if he was a real pedophile rapist .. shame on US justice !!
<< These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor.[32]>>

etc etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#***_crime_conviction

but i don't really care, such debate is a waste of time ..Are really serious? Imagine if the US did send out a Law Enforcement team to arrest him outside the US. OMG!! US CIA RENDITION TEAMS KIDNAPPED AND TORTURED POLANSKI!!! rofl

[HOG0317]

What is disgusting, is that we didn't snatch him up sooner. We have a moral obligation to the victim to make her attacker serve his sentence. PERIOD

[3rdMillhouse]

I hope he gets his due time now.

[kato2k6]

Mmmmm! I wonder did he (Harris) bother to think of the real victim and how she was treated at the time of the original incident and the immediate days following the rape.

The victim actually called for the court case to be called off and old sentence to be suspended last year. Rather public in fact.

[LineDoggie]

She can ask anything she wants and maybe the court should take it into consideration. But from what I've read most of her reasoning is embarrassment

Polanski still drugged her

Anally raped her

******lly raped her

Orally raped her

She was 13

He was 44

He never lived up to his plea, yet some act as though his movies should forgive his actions.

[Ought Six]

O:
"blah blah blah ... the average conservative bawler only read what he wants to read."Come back and talk to us after your 13-year-old daughter is drugged and raped by some slimey middle-aged ped. Until then, you will remain a clueless moron, totally devoid of compassion for the victims of *** crimes. You compound your richly deserved moron status by stupidly assuming that only 'conservatives' are outraged by Polanski's drugging of and ****** assault on girl so young she was barely even a teenager. It must really suck to be you.

[eskachig]

Seriously, I have no idea how this is a liberal vs conservative issue - the man is a criminal and that's all there is to it.

As for his victim - it's not up to her whether the state will drop the charges or not.

[Elbs]

Dirty bastard... hope he gets time.

[Robert.V]

No he's a Pedophile rapist for anyone with a Brain. Read the Grand Jury testimony

He drugged her, Sodomized her

I dont think him being rightly sent to jail should be a Conservative or Liberal Issue, but one of a Fleeing Convicted Felon who escaped and didnt serve a day for his crime. I Guarantee if you were a Parent and someone did this to your little girl you'd be looking to rent a woodchipper.

But see here ...he did serve his sentence. The judge over the case is here to blame partailly also. The Judge was ridiculous, grandstanding and was looking for fame instead of looking out for the victim.

As far as the parents ...you are neglecting the parents role into this. from all acounts they were lousy parents.


Poor girl ..that she has to go through this **** all over again.

[Universal_Soldier]

He was in his forties and gave her qaaludes and champaign to rape her at 13. ANyone else he wouold have been in jail years ago. Watch for the Free Roman speeches at awards shows soon as Hollywood shows it supports a pedophile rapist

Why on earth did it take so long????? Damn shame

[Robert.V]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090927/tpl-uk-polanski-arrest-4b8df73.html



Mmmmm! I wonder did he (Harris) bother to think of the real victim and how she was treated at the time of the original incident and the immediate days following the rape.

He even said it wasn't so bad because the girl had had other ****** partners (she was asking for it, right? :roll:).


And now I just saw on the news ...Polanski's friend who was going to pick him up from the airport when the police got there first make this disgusting statement about how "he's a talented genius who's made films millions of people love and is being persecuted for a tiny mistake he made 32 years ago".

Mother ****ers.

Another sick **** is this guy and i wouldn't be surprised if he'll show support for Polanski

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2008/08/08/woody_allen__1218229285_1191.jpg

[Robert.V]

Why on earth did it take so long????? Damn shame

Because of French government I suppose.

http://moncinema.cyberpresse.ca/nouvelles-et-critiques/nouvelles/nouvelle-cinema/9544-une-petition-pour-la-liberation-de-polanski.html

Basicly bunch of industry people started a petition in his support.



Costa-Gavras
Wong Kar-Wai
Fanny Ardant
Ettore Scola
Marco Bellocchio,
Giuseppe Tornatore
Monica Bellucci
Abderrahmane Sissako
Tony Gatlif
Pierre Jolivet
Jean-Jacques Beineix
Paolo Sorrentino
Michele Placido
Barbet Schroeder
Gilles Jacob
Bertrand Tavernie


And the list continues

[LineDoggie]

But see here ...he did serve his sentence. The judge over the case is here to blame partailly also. The Judge was ridiculous, grandstanding and was looking for fame instead of looking out for the victim.

As far as the parents ...you are neglecting the parents role into this. from all acounts they were lousy parents.


Poor girl ..that she has to go through this **** all over again. He didnt serve his sentence dude......

He was ordered to undergo 90 days of Psychiatric evaluation
He was given a stay to complete a project. He was evaulated for 42 days before being released. A Day later he fled to London. He never lived up to his part of the Plea Bargain. Ask a Lawyer but pretty sure if you dont live up to your plea bargain you can be hammered for it.

Her parents didnt rape her Anally, ******lly, Orally- Polanski did and frankly its friggen disgusting the amount of people defending a rapist of a Child here because the mans a celebrity.

[Universal_Soldier]

He didnt serve his sentence dude......

He was ordered to undergo 90 days of Psychiatric evaluation
He was given a stay to complete a project. He was evaulated for 42 days before being released. A Day later he fled to London. He never lived up to his part of the Plea Bargain. Ask a Lawyer but pretty sure if you dont live up to your plea bargain you can be hammered for it.

Her parents didnt rape her Anally, ******lly, Orally- Polanski did and frankly its friggen disgusting the amount of people defending a rapist of a Child here because the mans a celebrity.

X2.....no need to try and spread the blame in this case. They dude has to pay for what he did.

BTW I think his defense is an epic fail. without even going into detail of what the pervert did to the kid, *** with a 13 year old is rape whether consensual or not.

[Elbs]

Because of French government I suppose.

http://moncinema.cyberpresse.ca/nouvelles-et-critiques/nouvelles/nouvelle-cinema/9544-une-petition-pour-la-liberation-de-polanski.html

Basicly bunch of industry people started a petition in his support.



And the list continues






That's a list of people who should be ashamed of themselves for supporting this imbecile. F*cking hypocrites... I'd like to see them sign a petition for an asshole that did disgusting things to their daughter.

[Robert.V]

He didnt serve his sentence dude......

He was ordered to undergo 90 days of Psychiatric evaluation
He was given a stay to complete a project. He was evaulated for 42 days before being released. A Day later he fled to London. He never lived up to his part of the Plea Bargain. Ask a Lawyer but pretty sure if you dont live up to your plea bargain you can be hammered for it.

Her parents didnt rape her Anally, ******lly, Orally- Polanski did and frankly its friggen disgusting the amount of people defending a rapist of a Child here because the mans a celebrity.

Dude i'm not defending him ...see my previoces posts on here.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4440714&postcount=17

And I only thought his sentence was only 90 days of Psychiatric evaluation ..which Polanski did serve. ( Sentence wasn't even remotly nearly harsh enough, which is the idiot judge's fault. )


And her parents may not have raped her. But they allowed this to happen by being bad parents.

Frankly the girl got ****ed by all of them.

[Robert.V]

That's a list of people who should be ashamed of themselves for supporting this imbecile. F*cking hypocrites... I'd like to see them sign a petition for an asshole that did disgusting things to their daughter.


You'll get no arguiment for me this is disgusting. The Dude raped a 13 year old girl and all these ****s can do is say look at the poor man he is the victim.

[Hollis]

And her parents may not have raped her. But they allowed this to happen by being bad parents.




And how do you know this.

Do you know what a enabler is? or Codependent. Your in that class. Regardless of the parent's anything, the guy is a perv. Also I wonder how many other victims there are? He seemed to have had the predator aspect of his pedophilia down.

[Geezah]

Personally, seeing as there are too many people for my liking here that support him and what HE did, I hope the beast is sent back to the US and I do hope he is put in general population.

[Kilimunati]

How can anyone even begin to defend this guy? So we should let felons go because they are French??? or Polish??? ...Nonsense!

[Ssandro]

Polanski is clearly a sinister man, but he's also a genius director. It would be sad if he missed out on making another great film like the pianist, or repulsion, or rosemary's baby because of this. I think he is a special case and should be let off. He contributes more to society by making masterpieces

[Elbs]

Polanski is clearly a sinister man, but he's also a genius director (which is a rare thing). It would be sad if he missed out on making another great film like the pianist, or repulsion, or rosemary's baby because of this

Anally raping a 13-year old girl will do that to you

[Universal_Soldier]

Polanski is clearly a sinister man, but he's also a genius director. It would be sad if he missed out on making another great film like the pianist, or repulsion, or rosemary's baby because of this. I think he is a special case and should be let off. He contributes more to society by making masterpieces

That's just bullsh!t.
I don't think you want special case folks messing with your kid and getting let off.

What is rare about clever folks doing bad things?? please save us that nonsense. I hope he gets extradited.

[Ssandro]

That's just bullsh!t.
I don't think you want special case folks messing with your kid and getting let off.

What is rare about clever folks doing bad things?? please save us that nonsense. I hope he gets extradited.
The world would have been a worse place if he'd gone to jail and not made the pianist. If he's guilty, he's sick and obviously deserves to go to jail for a long time. But it's fortunate that he was let off for the rest of us, because otherwise we wouldn't have the pianist. I suppose it's similar to the justification the Americans used in not prosecuting klaus barbie, hiring him to help them fight the cold war and do intelligence work, except it would be for culture. I don't know I'm just a big fan of his work

[Zarak]

The world would have been a worse place if he'd gone to jail and not made the pianist. If he's guilty, he's sick and obviously deserves to go to jail for a long time. But it's fortunate that he was let off for all of us, because otherwise we wouldn't have the pianist

That movie was ****ing terrible mate, I hope you're being sarcastic.

[Flamming_Python]

The world would have been a worse place if he'd gone to jail and not made the pianist. If he's guilty, he's sick and obviously deserves to go to jail for a long time. But it's fortunate that he was let off for all of us, because otherwise we wouldn't have the pianist. I suppose it's similar to the justification the Americans used in not prosecuting klaus barbie to help them fight the cold war and do intelligence work, except it would be for culture

roflroflroflrofl

Man next time warn me before making me laugh so hard!

[Ssandro]

That movie was ****ing terrible mate, I hope you're being sarcastic.
polanski put the whole chopin grande polonaise brillante op.22 for the end credits - The pianist was a masterpiece.

[Elbs]

polanski put the whole chopin grande polonaise brillante op.22 for the end credits - The pianist was a masterpiece.

That's cute and all but you're forgetting he sodomized a tween.

Put in him in a cell with someone that'll return the favor to him. He'll be the one singing sonatas.

[Rilence]

Polanski is clearly a sinister man, but he's also a genius director. It would be sad if he missed out on making another great film like the pianist, or repulsion, or rosemary's baby because of this. I think he is a special case and should be let off. He contributes more to society by making masterpieces
How the hell is making some stupid movies really contributing to society?


By the way, you didn't forget he raped an underaged girl, right?

[Zoomie]

The world would have been a worse place if he'd gone to jail and not made the pianist.
How so? Prove your f***ed up statement, or STFU.
Oh, wait:

I don't know I'm just a big fan of his work
So, STFU, and quit defending the pedophile. :slap:

[Ssandro]

I don't defend him. If he's guilty he deserves to go to jail for a 100 years and get raped every single day. But at the same time, for someone who loves his films, there is practical reason to let him off, at least to the same extent that it seemed practical to the americans to let klaus barbie off. Klaus barbie and polanski (if guilty) deserve to get tortured to death . But jail isn't just about giving people what they deserve. It's usually justified in a utilitarian way as well: you keep people who could damage society in the future off the streets (that's why we talk about probability of re-offending when sentencing someone, and that's why innocent mental-patients who never yet hurt anyone are locked up in wards), and perhaps people who can potentially contribute to it (e.g. klaus barbie) on them

This is my point. You'll come to a different conclusion depending on whether you see it from a punishment or utilitarian perspective, and whether or not you like his films

[Zarak]

I don't defend him. If he's guilty he deserves to go to jail for a 100 years and get raped every single day. But at the same time, for someone who loves his films, there is practical reason to let him off, at least to the same extent that it seemed practical to the americans to let klaus barbie off. Klaus barbie and polanski (if guilty) deserve to get tortured to death . But jail isn't just about giving people what they deserve. It's usually justified in a utilitarian way as well - you keep people who could damage society in the future off the streets (that's why we talk about probability of re-offending when sentencing someone), and perhaps people who can potentially contribute to it (e.g. klaus barbie) on them

So if an astrophysicist anally rapes your mother or wife or daughter, you'd be all for letting him off, right? And surely an astrophysicist would contribute more to society than some guy who makes retardedass movies.

[Rilence]

I don't defend him. If he's guilty he deserves to go to jail for a 100 years and get raped every single day. But at the same time, for someone who loves his films, there is practical reason to let him off, at least to the same extent that it seemed practical to the americans to let klaus barbie off. Klaus barbie and polanski (if guilty) deserve to get tortured to death . But jail isn't just about giving people what they deserve. It's usually justified in a utilitarian way as well - you keep people who could damage society in the future off the streets (that's why we talk about probability of re-offending when sentencing someone, and that's why innocent mental-patients who never yet hurt anyone are locked up in wards), and perhaps people who can potentially contribute to it (e.g. klaus barbie) on them

This is my point


I think he is a special case and should be let off. He contributes more to society by making masterpieces

You mean to tell me you're not defending him here? You're confusing me.

[Ssandro]

So if an astrophysicist anally rapes your mother or wife or daughter, you'd be all for letting him off, right? And surely an astrophysicist would contribute more to society than some guy who makes retardedass movies.
If an evil rapist astrophysicist was otherwise going to save the world by predicting a giant meteor, then he should be allowed to spend his time looking through telescopes instead of going to jail. Obviously polanski isn't going to save the world (especially since a lot of people don't even enjoy his movies), but my point is merely that you can see jail both in terms of punishment and in terms of practicality. If klaus barbie made some huge difference in fighting the cold-war, then that practical difference might outweigh the moral need to punish him. It's a lot harder to justify polanski since he's only making movies, but I was thinking along the same lines for culture instead of the cold war


You mean to tell me you're not defending him here? You're confusing me. I don't defend him. If he's guilty, then he deserves everything he gets. But since jailing him won't undo the damage he's done, and might prevent another movie like chinatown or the pianist, then it isn't practical from a utilitarian perspective (at least for the fans of his work). I won't be crying for the man if he goes to jail

[Zarak]

If an evil rapist astrophysicist was otherwise going to save the world by predicting a giant meteor, then he should be allowed to spend his time looking through telescopes instead of going to jail. Obviously polanski isn't going to save the world (especially since a lot of people don't even enjoy his movies), but my point is merely that you can see jail both in terms of punishment and in terms of practicality. If klaus barbie made some huge difference in fighting the cold-war, then that practical difference might outweigh the moral need to punish him. It's a lot harder to justify polanski since he's only making movies, but I was thinking along the same pragmatist lines but for culture instead of the cold war

Fighting The Cold War = Saving the Planet from a Giant Meteor = Writing and Directing "Pirates" which has a Rotten Tomatoes Rating of 14%

[Ssandro]

Fighting The Cold War = Saving the Planet from a Giant Meteor = Writing and Directing "Pirates" which has a Rotten Tomatoes Rating of 14%
He also scores some of the best ratings ever on rotten tomatoes, like 100% for chinatown, 100% repulsion, 100% knife in water, 100% to each his cinema, 98% for rosemary's baby, 95% for the pianist ect.

Having talent doesn't justify anything morally, let alone child-rape. But everyone who loves cinema would like him to make more films like those

[Zarak]

He also scores some of the best ratings ever on rotten tomatoes, like 100% for chinatown, 100% repulsion, 100% knife in water, 100% to each his cinema, 98% for rosemary's baby, 95% for the pianist ect.

Having talent doesn't justify anything morally, let alone child-rape. But everyone who loves cinema would like him to make more films like those

You're a strange person. 'He's a super awesome guy and some would say that he shouldn't go to prison for raping a thirteen year old so that he could make more super cool movies. But, you know, I'm totally not defending him.'

I'm interested in where you learned to say something while saying that you're not saying it. I'm not saying its annoying and makes you out to be a total ****tard but from a practical perspective I think that one would hope your daughter is anally raped so that you can understand one's real life and pain is more important than some dumbass movie.

[AgentX]

I don't defend him. If he's guilty, then he deserves everything he gets and a lot more. But since jailing him won't undo the damage he's done, and might prevent another movie like chinatown or the pianist, then it doesn't seem very practical from a utilitarian perspective (at least for the fans of his work). I won't exactly be crying for the man if he goes to jail

I somewhat agree with you there. And Polanski will always be a great moviemaker no matter what a certain group of people think. If you dislike Van Gogh's paintings because he committed suicide or downplay Sir Alan Turing's brilliance because he was gay, then it's your problem.

Besides, justice system is flawed. It's a hammer that sees every problem as a nail. "Lock 'em up for n number of years with x number of inmates for unreported y cases of violence and other crime against 'em that will largely be ignored". I never came across a single convict coming out of any of the correctional facilities as a better person. Prisons are a ghetto where you dump people that don't go well with your lifestyle or rules. There's no morality in it, no higher purpose, no wishing well for the ones going in.

Polanski is not a threat to anyone anymore. And he is not a pedophile as some of my fellow MP.netters have been painting him as, unless he committed the same crime multiple times. Murdering one person does not make you a serial killer. He is a one time child molester at worst.

That said, I hope he regrets what he's done and some kind of punishment will clear his conscience. The victim will likely never forget what happened to her, even if you throw him in a tub full of caustic soda. I feel sorry for the (then) girl and I feel sorry for him.

[Ssandro]

You're a strange person. 'He's a super awesome guy and some would say that he shouldn't go to prison for raping a thirteen year old so that he could make more super cool movies. But, you know, I'm totally not defending him.'

I'm interested in where you learned to say something while saying that you're not saying it. I'm not saying its annoying and makes you out to be a total ****tard.
You need to improve your reading skills. I never said he was a "super awesome guy". He's a genius. That doesn't say anything about what kind of man he is in his personal life

[SBL]

Having talent doesn't justify anything morally, let alone child-rape. But everyone who loves cinema would like him to make more films like those
I like cinema. Heck, I even like some of Polanski's movies. But I don't think I can reconcile letting a child-rapist off the hook because I think he may make another good film. That's a really selfish attitude, actually.

[Elbs]

Polanski is not a threat to anyone anymore. And he is not a pedophile as some of my fellow MP.netters have been painting him as, unless he committed the same crime multiple times. Murdering one person does not make you a serial killer. He is a one time child molester at worst.

So I murder one guy, I claim I'm sorry and that it was a mistake, and I'm good to go? i'm not a threat anymore?

How is the guy not a pedophile? He sodomized a 13-year old girl. He is a child molester. He should be locked up, regardless of whether he makes pretty pictures on the big screen or not.

[LineDoggie]

The world would have been a worse place if he'd gone to jail and not made the pianist. If he's guilty, he's sick and obviously deserves to go to jail for a long time. But it's fortunate that he was let off for the rest of us, because otherwise we wouldn't have the pianist. I suppose it's similar to the justification the Americans used in not prosecuting klaus barbie, hiring him to help them fight the cold war and do intelligence work, except it would be for culture. I don't know I'm just a big fan of his work
Which work? Chinatown or raping 13 year old? It amazes me how flippantly people can excuse drugging and raping a 13 year old girl because some asshole makes movies and is a celebrity and they worship him and his work.

Jesus, this fcuking world is going to hell in handbasket when a Child Rapist is worshipped and fawned over because of a frickin movie.

[AgentX]

I'm interested in where you learned to say something while saying that you're not saying it. I'm not saying its annoying and makes you out to be a total ****tard but from a practical perspective I think that one would hope your daughter is anally raped so that you can understand one's real life and pain is more important than some dumbass movie.
Tell me one thing, Superman. What did you (or others) do for the girl if you feel so strongly about the incident? Take it from me: a mob will lynch the perpetrator but not help the victim get over their misery, for there is perverted fun in it. It gives vent to your violent vendetta and you enjoy it.

You enjoyed imagining his daughter being anally raped, which is no less twisted and demeaning if you ask me. He has a right to have an opinion different from yours and mine. Don't get bitter in the name of goodwill.

[AgentX]

So I murder one guy, I claim I'm sorry and that it was a mistake, and I'm good to go? i'm not a threat anymore?

How is the guy not a pedophile? He sodomized a 13-year old girl. He is a child molester. He should be locked up, regardless of whether he makes pretty pictures on the big screen or not.
Do you have a problem comprehending clear and concise English text? He's not a pedophile because this was an isolated case. I clearly stated the reason. If you feel like disagreeing just for sake of it, I'm not interested in tutoring you.

[Zarak]

Tell me one thing, Superman. What did you (or others) do for the girl if you feel so strongly about the incident?

I didn't defend the man who raped her because he apparently makes a good movie occasionally.

As for the rest of your pseudofreudian crap, I was a psych major before I decided I actually wanted to get a job with my degree. The only place that sort of ****e shows up is in self-help books written by Indian 'Doctors'. Accusing me of a violent vendetta and 'enjoying imaging his daughter being anally raped' because I want to see a man who ruined a child's life (one never really recovers from such trauma) punished is incredibly retarded.

[AgentX]

I didn't defend the man who raped her because he apparently makes a good movie occasionally.

As for the rest of your pseudofreudian crap, I was a psych major before I decided I actually wanted to get a job with my degree. The only place that sort of ****e shows up is in self-help books written by Indian 'Doctors'.
Weak argument. Lay off the hatred and join a campaign or something. Help out people in need. You'll feel better.

[Zarak]

Weak argument. Lay off the hatred and join a campaign or something. Help out people in need. You'll feel better.

Why would I not want to hate people who rape children? One would have to be dead inside (like, for example, someone who was molested as a child) to not feel something about such a detestable act.

[Elbs]

I wonder if people would still defending this guy if he was a bum who just happened to do all of these disgusting things to a 13-year old.

Making a few movies makes you exempt from having to do time for your crime?

[AgentX]

Why would I not want to hate people who rape children? One would have to be dead inside (like, for example, someone who was molested as a child) to not feel something about such a detestable act.
That's what makes my head twist all the time. Why would people waste their time on hating the perpetrator of the crime and not shell out minutes from their busy schedule for the victims? If you failed to read the last line of my post: I do feel sorry for her. Who wouldn't! And I feel sorry for him too 'cause unless you're a walking zombie and there's not an ounce of morality in you, not a single day passes when don't regret over what you've done. Serving time takes that away. It makes you feel like a victim in turn. In most cases, at least.

I've been molested and tormented by my girlfriends if that's what you're interested in.

[Zarak]

Why would people waste their time on hating the perpetrator of the crime and not shell out minutes from their busy schedule for the victims?

Sure, I'm going to find out with this woman lives, and just fly there, walk up to her house, ring her doorbell, and offer to hold her while she cries. Surely someone who was raped won't have a problem with this.

[Elbs]

Hmm considering that Polanski fled the country and refused to return because he knew he'd get caught doesn't sound like a stand-up kind of guy who's willing to accept his punishment.

Sounds like a coward.

Anyways, I'm done with this. It's been done to death.

[AgentX]

Sure, I'm going to find out with this woman lives, and just fly there, walk up to her house, ring her doorbell, and offer to hold her while she cries. Surely someone who was raped won't have a problem with this.
Then let the judicial system serve its purpose. However flawed and imperfect it is, it exists there for a reason. Differences in opinions arise because while one group lends all its focus to the negative side of the convict, another takes into account the positive aspects of his traits. If the purpose of delivering justice is to be fair with humanity with the least harm dealt, then it cannot take place while you portray someone as an incarnation of evil.

Read my original post again if you're misinformed. I'm not against punishing him.

[WKD]

I somewhat agree with you there. And Polanski will always be a great moviemaker no matter what a certain group of people think. If you dislike Van Gogh's paintings because he committed suicide or downplay Sir Alan Turing's brilliance because he was gay, then it's your problem.


And if you equivilate drug-raping a child to clinical depression and homo******ity then that's your ****ing problem you dyed in the wool head-punching mirror shouting ****ing retard.

I mean what the ****. What the ****ing ****.

[AgentX]

And if you equivilate drug-raping a child to clinical depression and homo******ity then that's your ****ing problem you dyed in the wool head-punching mirror shouting ****ing retard.

I mean what the ****. What the ****ing ****.
Ever heard of obscure little things like metaphors and allegories? Ok, drawing parallels? There's a difference, but ...oh well.

That, and "equivilate" is not a word in any standard English dictionary.

[WKD]

Ever heard of obscure little things like metaphors and allegories? Ok, drawing parallels? There's a difference, but ...oh well.

That, and "equivilate" is not a word in any standard English dictionary.

Ever heard of pulling **** out of your ass? Who here made any of those comparisons? What purpose did you even have in introducing them into the debate?

And maybe you need to go look up a dictionary before trying to sound like some kind of ****ing intellectual.

But no, please tell us about the lack of guilt in a one time child molester.

Because hey, it's ok if you only do it once. Please now demonstrate your razor-like analysis of this situation with more self-righteous waffle. Don't forget to brush your fringe out of your left eye for extra effect.

[Holycrusader]

Polanski will have full support of polish gov...

Just saying...

According to polish media victim was underage prostitute...

[Fargin]

Everybody makes mistakes, I hope he's held responsible for this mistake.

[AgentX]

Ever heard of pulling **** out of your ass? Who here made any of those comparisons? What purpose did you even have in introducing them into the debate?
I would love to tell you about my hatred for people that jump guns without getting into the subtext and context of the text they couldn't fully comprehend.

A vague interpretation would read something like this: don't hate his creativity for what his dark side has done. He's still a genius who made some classic movies, at least in my opinion. And he suffered from terrible murder of his wife and his yet to be born child. Any sane man would go bonkers after that.


But no, please tell us about the lack of guilt in a one time child molester.

Because hey, it's ok if you only do it once. Please now demonstrate your razor-like analysis of this situation with more self-righteous waffle. Don't forget to brush your fringe out of your left eye for extra effect.
Your theatrics are no less amusing. Do you improvise or is that pure genius?

He molested a child. No one is denying that. But calling him a pedophile for molesting one child is like calling all murderers serial killers. This was an isolated case and he doesn't fit into the profile of a pedophile in general. How you interpret this is your problem. You either never read my previous posts or I failed miserably at structuring my thoughts into words.

[Olybrius]

O:Come back and talk to us after your 13-year-old daughter is drugged and raped by some slimey middle-aged ped. Until then, you will remain a clueless moron, totally devoid of compassion for the victims of *** crimes. You compound your richly deserved moron status by stupidly assuming that only 'conservatives' are outraged by Polanski's drugging of and ****** assault on girl so young she was barely even a teenager. It must really suck to be you.

*yawn*

What a surprise , i guess its more easy for you and others to insult someone who disagree with you than to have a mature debate . Its not a good vs evil debate because the whole story about Polansky is more grey than black. For now he was not judged by an independant and fair court and i don't think he's a PROVEN rapist and pedophile.

There is a good balanced and detailed documentary about the Polansky' case called "wanted and desired" . Some parts are on youtube .. (much better than my basic english )... but i bet you're not interested...

[Connaught Ranger]

*yawn*

What a surprise , i guess its more easy for you and others to insult someone who disagree with you than to have a mature debate . Its not a good vs evil debate because the whole story about Polansky is more grey than black. For now he was not judged by an independant and fair court and i don't think he's a PROVEN rapist and pedophile.

There is a good balanced and detailed documentary about the Polansky' case called "wanted and desired" . Some parts are on youtube .. (much better than my basic english )... but i bet you're not interested...


He admitted to the offense himself, so that makes him guilty, I wonder what drives your agenda to defend him? similar tastes?p-)

[Connaught Ranger]

I would love to tell you about my hatred for people that jump guns without getting into the subtext and context of the text they couldn't fully comprehend.

A vague interpretation would read something like this: don't hate his creativity for what his dark side has done. He's still a genius who made some classic movies, at least in my opinion. And he suffered from terrible murder of his wife and his yet to be born child. Any sane man would go bonkers after that.


Your theatrics are no less amusing. Do you improvise or is that pure genius?

He molested a child. No one is denying that. But calling him a pedophile for molesting one child is like calling all murderers serial killers. This was an isolated case and he doesn't fit into the profile of a pedophile in general. How you interpret this is your problem. You either never read my previous posts or I failed miserably at structuring my thoughts into words.

You have no idea if this was an isolated case, it could well have been his full time hobby for all you know, but the facts are he admitted to this one then ran, so guilty as charged.

[Holycrusader]

He admitted to the offense himself, so that makes him guilty, I wonder what drives your agenda to defend him? similar tastes?p-)


He said that he do not know age of the girl too...

[dies irae]

According to polish media victim was underage prostitute...
I don't see in serious Polish media any kind of this statement. I live in another country or what?

If Polanski is guilty he should pay for mistakes as usual criminal.

[Zarak]

He said that he do not know age of the girl too...

She was thirteen. Its not like its hard to tell the difference between a thirteen year old and someone of age. Also, he drugged and raped her, so 'She told me she was eighteen' isn't really a defense.

[Olybrius]

He admitted to the offense himself, so that makes him guilty, I wonder what drives your agenda to defend him? similar tastes?p-)

he admitted "unlawful ***" , nothing else

yeah its obvious i'm myself a pedophile rapist.
And i hope our pedophile-in-chief here will succeed to free him asap.

[dies irae]

I read some rumors that Schwarzenegger as a Governor of California can give a pardon to Polanski. I will be disappointed.
http://www.filmbums.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/arnold_terminator.jpg

[hsh2]

I somewhat agree with you there. And Polanski will always be a great moviemaker no matter what a certain group of people think. If you dislike Van Gogh's paintings because he committed suicide or downplay Sir Alan Turing's brilliance because he was gay, then it's your problem.

Committing suicide/being gay vs fvcking an underage girl.

Same thing.



Polanski is not a threat to anyone anymore. And he is not a pedophile as some of my fellow MP.netters have been painting him as, unless he committed the same crime multiple times. Murdering one person does not make you a serial killer. He is a one time child molester at worst.The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICD) (F65.4) defines pedophilia as "a ****** preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-WHOPaedophilia-0)
The APA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association)'s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders) 4th edition, Text Revision gives the following as its "Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia":[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-APAstmt-22)[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-DSMmedem-23)


A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense ******ly arousing fantasies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_%28psychology%29), ****** urges, or behaviors involving ****** activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these ****** urges, or the ****** urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

The diagnosis is further specified by the *** of the children the person is attracted to, and if the impulses or acts are limited to incest. It is also sometimes split further into two categories: exclusive type (attracted only to children) and nonexclusive type.


Furthermore:


Neither the ICD nor the DSM diagnostic criteria require actual ****** activity with a prepubescent youth. The diagnosis can therefore be made based on the presence of fantasies or ****** urges even if they have never been acted upon. On the other hand, a person who acts upon these urges yet experiences no distress about their fantasies or urges can also qualify for the diagnosis.


No matter how you cut it, Polanski is a pedophile.





That said, I hope he regrets what he's done and some kind of punishment will clear his conscience. The victim will likely never forget what happened to her, even if you throw him in a tub full of caustic soda. I feel sorry for the (then) girl and I feel sorry for him.
Regrets? Clear his conscience? Dude, he's lived for the past 30 yrs with that on his "conscience", making films and living large.

Must weigh very heavily on him indeed...


Here's an update on his situation:
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/polanski104.html

He's awaiting extradition in a prison cell in Zurich. The USA have 40 days of time to write a demand of extradition.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

He's awaiting extradition in a prison cell in Zurich. The USA have 40 days of time to write a demand of extradition.For sure Polanski's lawyers are going to try like hell using every trick in the book to keep him in Switzerland.

[Holycrusader]

For sure Polanski's lawyers are going to try like hell using every trick in the book to keep him in Switzerland.

Guy have a home in Switzerland, live there for some time. Why they arrest him now?

[hsh2]

For sure Polanski's lawyers are going to try like hell using every trick in the book to keep him in Switzerland.

Oh yeah, no doubt. But frankly, for a lawyer, this must be a worst case scenario. Kind of hard to defend him on factual grounds. Saying "BUT he's SUCH a great filmmaker, who has given SO MUCH to SO MANY people" probably isn't going to cut it:lol:


Guy have a home in Switzerland, live there for some time. Why they arrest him now?

Probably because of 2 reasons:

1. I don't know HOW or WHEN he visited his house in Valais, but his international warrant went online in 2005.

2. The authorities from California asked us a favor. "Hey guys, could you please...".

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Guy have a home in Switzerland, live there for some time. Why they arrest him now?Apparently one of the first chances they've had. Most countries won't extradite him and he avoided those that would. They've attempted to nab him before, but he avoided this by not travelling, attending events etc.

[Holycrusader]

Apparently one of the first chances they've had. Most countries won't extradite him and he avoided those that would.


He already spend few months in Switzerland this year...

[Breakfast in Vegas]

He already spend few months in Switzerland this year...
Not sure.

The German article said that the US authorities read that he was attending the event in Switzerland and contacted the Swiss authorities, asking for assistance.

It's not like he was under constant surveillance.

[hsh2]

He already spend few months in Switzerland this year...

How do you know that?

I mean to be honest, you rarely if ever heard anything in the medias on him prior to him planning on attending the Zurich Film Festival. If aynthing it was "he has a new film" and not "OMG Polanski is coming to CH".

Going to Valais from France isn't exactly hard.

[Holycrusader]

How do you know that?

I mean to be honest, you rarely if ever heard anything in the medias on him prior to him planning on attending the Zurich Film Festival. If aynthing it was "he has a new film" and not "OMG Polanski is coming to CH".

Going to Valais from France isn't exactly hard.

He work on the movie "Ghost" in his home in Gstaad. I know this from Polish media..

[Holycrusader]

from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8277886.stm


The Swiss media have rounded on the authorities.

"Switzerland let a guest walk into a nasty trap. We should be ashamed," said tabloid newspaper, Blick.

[Olybrius]

How do you know that?

I mean to be honest, you rarely if ever heard anything in the medias on him prior to him planning on attending the Zurich Film Festival. If aynthing it was "he has a new film" and not "OMG Polanski is coming to CH".

Going to Valais from France isn't exactly hard.

read swiss medias


While Roman Polanski has a chalet to Gstaad where he goes regularly, many wonder that, suddenly , Switzerland conforms bravely to a request of the American justice

http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=200001&sid=11277776
http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/d08ca044-ac04-11de-bf71-a0e943372248/Fallait-il_arr%C3%AAter_Roman_Polanski
http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/er-ist-muede-und-schockiert-129602
http://www.lematin.ch/
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/

[gaz]

1 - I do like some of his movies.
2 - He should stand trial for the crime he's accused of.

[hsh2]

He work on the movie "Ghost" in his home in Gstaad. I know this from Polish media..

I just googled roman polanski ghost gstaad with pages from Switzerland set as a filter. Nothing prior to the incident.

Yet the Polish medias know that. Is he that important to you guys?


from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8277886.stm

No. "The Medias do not turn on to the authorities". That's quite an exaggeration for the editorials in 2 not too highly regarded tabloids.




read swiss medias



http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=200001&sid=11277776
http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/d08ca044-ac04-11de-bf71-a0e943372248/Fallait-il_arr%C3%AAter_Roman_Polanski
http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/er-ist-muede-und-schockiert-129602
http://www.lematin.ch/
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/

Yes and? I don't really see your point to be honest.

[Olybrius]

He already spend few months in Switzerland this year...


How do you know that?


because its written in most swiss medias
see my point now ?

btw all the links provided above are not tabloids

[Macs.]

"Switzerland let a guest walk into a nasty trap. We should be ashamed," said tabloid newspaper, Blick.

Yeah, they just forgot one part about the story.

The guest ****s children.


And he suffered from terrible murder of his wife and his yet to be born child. Any sane man would go bonkers after that.

Oh, that's a good excuse.

So after his Wife was murdered, a voice said "**** A 13 YEAR OLD CHILD.".

He is the real victim.

[Olybrius]

1 - I do like some of his movies.
2 - He should stand trial for the crime he's accused of.

i agree ..but a fair trial ..if there are doubts , he shouldn't be extraded

[hsh2]

because its written in most swiss medias
see my point now ?

btw all the links provided above are not tabloids

No I still don't because so far the only people saying that are HIS LAWYERS, failing to cite any sources or evidence AND because all those articles are dated September 2009.

I googled and found nothing, from Swiss medias, on him staying in Gstaad to film Ghost prior to him getting arrested.

BTW the Blick isn't a tabloid? Are you for real?



L'avocat français de Roman Polanski est surpris par l'arrestation de son client en Suisse. En effet, le cinéaste possède un chalet à Gstaad et s'y rendait fréquemment sans jamais être inquiété, a expliqué l'avocat dans un entretien publié lundi par le quotidien français Le Figaro.It's one thing to drive from France to the Bernese Oberland and hang out in a chalet among thousands. It's another thing to pass the Customs at an airport with your passport.

But yes, one could argue that our police haven't been as effivient as they could have.


This thread is nice. Atleast 3 people defending a self admitted pedophile allwhile implying that we're the bad guys for arresting him on the USA's demand.

[Holycrusader]

Yeah, they just forgot one part about the story.

The guest ****s children.


He have concensual *** with 13 yrs girl that have already more than one partner and that was more than 30 yrs ago... He could even do not know their age, mother of this girl basically send her to spend night with Polanski.
Case will be expired in most of European countries incl. Switzerland...

[Holycrusader]

This thread is nice. Atleast 3 people defending a self admitted pedophile allwhile implying that we're the bad guys for arresting him on the USA's demand.

I do not think he is a pedophille or he ever admitt that he is.

[Macs.]

He have concensual *** with 13 yrs girl that have already more than one partner and that was more than 30 yrs ago... He could even do not know their age, mother of this girl basically send her to spend night with Polanski.
Case will be expired in most of European countries incl. Switzerland...

He.

****ed.

A.

13.

Year.

Old.

Girl.

There is no excuse for a adult man to have *** with a teen of that age.

Aren't you guys always gung-ho to get rid of pedophiles ? I have the feeling the only reason you defend him is because he is Polish.

[hsh2]

He have concensual *** with 13 yrs girl that have already more than one partner and that was more than 30 yrs ago... He could even do not know their age, mother of this girl basically send her to spend night with Polanski.
Case will be expired in most of European countries incl. Switzerland...

Irrelevant. Rape doesn't just expire in the USA+we have an extradition agreement with the USA.


I do not think he is a pedophille or he ever admitt that he is.

from your BBC link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8277886.stm

1977 - Mr Polanski admits unlawful *** with Samantha Geimer, 13, in Los Angeles

from my post on the prior page:

The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICD) (F65.4) defines pedophilia as "a ****** preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-WHOPaedophilia-0)
The APA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association)'s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders) 4th edition, Text Revision gives the following as its "Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia":[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-APAstmt-22)[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-DSMmedem-23)


A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense ******ly arousing fantasies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_%28psychology%29), ****** urges, or behaviors involving ****** activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these ****** urges, or the ****** urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

The diagnosis is further specified by the *** of the children the person is attracted to, and if the impulses or acts are limited to incest. It is also sometimes split further into two categories: exclusive type (attracted only to children) and nonexclusive type.


Furthermore:


Neither the ICD nor the DSM diagnostic criteria require actual ****** activity with a prepubescent youth. The diagnosis can therefore be made based on the presence of fantasies or ****** urges even if they have never been acted upon. On the other hand, a person who acts upon these urges yet experiences no distress about their fantasies or urges can also qualify for the diagnosis.


No matter how you cut it, Polanski is a pedophile.

[Holycrusader]

He.

****ed.

A.

13.

Year.

Old.

Girl.

There is no excuse for a adult man to have *** with a teen of that age.

Aren't you guys always gung-ho to get rid of pedophiles ? I have the feeling the only reason you defend him is because he is Polish.

He is Polish Jew. Maybe thats only two reason you attack him :)

[Connaught Ranger]

He said that he do not know age of the girl too...

Classic defence line, I do not know anything. And despite knowing the age or not he still drugged her and plied her with booze, its called Date Rape in these PC times.

Or maybe its normal to walk around with drugs and drink on the off chance of getting your hands on a 13 year old.:roll:

[Dominique]

1 - I do like some of his movies.
2 - He should stand trial for the crime he's accused of.

He's already pleaded guilty to committing to having *** with the girl, and then skipped out be fore he could serve his sentence. If this were any other person, they would have hunted him down like a dog, and dragged him back here in shackles. And what really kills me is all of the guys on here defending him. WTF is up with you guys? This turd drugged a 13 year old girl, and raped her, and you guys act like he stole a six pack of beer. If disgusting. His ass should have been sitting a prison cell years ago, period.

[Connaught Ranger]

He have concensual *** with 13 yrs girl that have already more than one partner and that was more than 30 yrs ago... He could even do not know their age, mother of this girl basically send her to spend night with Polanski.
Case will be expired in most of European countries incl. Switzerland...

Yeah? but, this case happened in the U.S.A., and who said the girl consented to have *** after beeing plied with booze and drugs? and despite what the Mother did or did not allegedly do, Polanski drugged the girl, then had *** with her, thereby committing a Rape.

[Olybrius]

No I still don't because so far the only people saying that are HIS LAWYERS, failing to cite any sources or evidence AND because all those articles are dated September 2009.

I googled and found nothing, from Swiss medias, on him staying in Gstaad to film Ghost prior to him getting arrested.

It's one thing to drive from France to the Bernese Oberland and hang out in a chalet among thousands. It's another thing to pass the Customs at an airport with your passport.

But yes, one could argue that our police haven't been as effivient as they could have.


This thread is nice. Atleast 3 people defending a self admitted pedophile allwhile implying that we're the bad guys for arresting him on the USA's demand.

No there are editorialists and journalists too .You're free to claim you don't trust the medias of your own country but i think it's only a way to ignore the true questions they 're asking.
and about your last paragraph , i won't waste my time to repeat what some people already said in this thread ...

[Holycrusader]

hueresiech read your own definition

The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (F65.4) defines pedophilia as "a ****** preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."

we do not know if Roman Polanski have "a ****** preference for children,"...
His current wife look rather old.
From my european legal POV case is expired...

[Alfacentori]

He's already pleaded guilty to committing to having *** with the girl, and then skipped out be fore he could serve his sentence. If this were any other person, they would have hunted him down like a dog, and dragged him back here in shackles. And what really kills me is all of the guys on here defending him. WTF is up with you guys? This turd drugged a 13 year old girl, and raped her, and you guys act like he stole a six pack of beer. If disgusting. His ass should have been sitting a prison cell years ago, period.

Quoted for Truth

He's guilty, he pleaded guilty and then he ran, not only is he guilty, he's a coward.

Alfa

[Macs.]

we do not know that Roman Polanski have "a ****** preference for children,"...
His current wife look rather old.

Jesus Christ.

You should work for the Police as a profiler... rofl

[Dominique]

Guy have a home in Switzerland, live there for some time. Why they arrest him now?

Because he's a wanted criminal who drugged and raped a 13 year old girl. But I guess that's all good because he made some cool movies and sh*t like that, right? :roll:


hueresiech read your own definition


we do not know that Roman Polanski have "a ****** preference for children,"...
His current wife look rather old.
From my european legal POV case is expired...

I can round up ****load of child molesters, that are married, and have children of their own. Doesn't mean they don't have the "urge", or aren't ******ly attracted to children.

[Holycrusader]

His ass should have been sitting a prison cell years ago, period.

You right. But its a little late for justice now. He is 76 yrs old guy, propably different person than 31 yrs ago. "Victim" forgive him (and propably get some compansation for this)... I do not see any added value in punishing him now.

Punishment should serve something...

[Holycrusader]

I can round up ****load of child molesters, that are married, and have children of their own. Doesn't mean they don't have the "urge", or aren't ******ly attracted to children.

Prove it in case of Polanski and I will be first to say "Hang him high"...

[hsh2]

No there are editorialists and journalists too .You're free to claim you don't trust the medias of your own country but i think it's only a way to ignore the true questions they 're asking.
and about your last paragraph , i won't waste my time to repeat what some people already said in this thread ...

The editorialists and journalists found their questions on POLANSKIS LAWYERS statements for which there is NO EVIDENCE apart from THEIR WORDS.

No records, no documents, nothing, jsut their words.

But again, if anything we should have arrested him earlier.


hueresiech read your own definition


we do not know if Roman Polanski have "a ****** preference for children,"...
His current wife look rather old.
From my european legal POV case is expired...

Ah so he's a just a kid rapist. A kid whom he drugged up on purpose because he kind of doesn't like kids (which means he isn't a pedophile after all) but wanted to fvck nonetheless even though he really really doesn't have a ****** preference for kids.

Cool distinction. Very plausible as well.

[Hollis]

Prove it in case of Polanski and I will be first to say "Hang him high"...


Why don't you educate yourself on pedophiles. Dom is right. Read the plea bargain and facts of the case, before bloviating any farther.

[Dominique]

You right. But its a little late for justice now. He is 76 yrs old guy, propably different person than 31 yrs ago. "Victim" forgive him (and propably get some compansation for this)... I do not see any added value in punishing him now.

Punishment should serve something...

Sending his ass to prison will show that you can't out run justice, and that we treat everyone the same. And what's up with the "Victim" comment?



Prove it in case of Polanski and I will be first to say "Hang him high"...

He admitted that he did it, how much more proof do you want?

[Flamming_Python]

Punishment should serve something...

It does in this case, as in any other. Specifically:

1. It shows that no-one is above the law, no matter how rich or famous.
2. It shows that you can't run from the law, it will get you in the end.

Therefore arresting and making an example out of him serves a dual-purpose. Happy ass-raping in jail, Polanski!

You know I'm not such a vengeful person. I don't have a burning hate towards pedophiles, that I want to shove them all into a gas chamber or something :) But they are criminals, very vile ones, and as such they deserve harsh punishments. This should be done not only for emotional reasons (revenge, etc...), but also to deter others from potentially doing the same crimes towards some of the most vulnerable members of society; children.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Everybody makes mistakes, I hope he's held responsible for this mistake.

I'd agree. But to me, a "mistake" is going to the store and picking up the bottle of diet Coke instead of regular Coke. At 43 years of age, planning the rape of a 13 year old, carrying it out, fleeing the country and then avoiding extradition for decades - is more than a mistake. It's a pattern.

I think if he'd faced the music in 1977 - not even 10 years after his wife was brutally murdered - the court may have had some mercy on the guy. But now - he just looks like a pampered socialite creep. I have a feeling that if this little prick had been middle class plumber, the Europeans would have kicked him to the curb decades ago.

[Hollis]

****** predation of a minor is serious, then we include rape, the other perversions inflected on the child, drugs and evading justice. So why do people defend this scum bag.

Does his talents get him a get out of jail card? Or is it the victim?

Who was the victim, a child and a female. One noticeable attribute that may contribute to answering this, is that the victim is female. In some societies of the the world, albeit ones that are often labeled as backwards, women social rating is lower than live stock. When a women is raped, the blame does not fall on the attacker(s) but the women. The women is often punished for this crime committed against her. Also when a women is rape, that guilt for the crime is also used against her by her own family.

So we have a victim of rape and now our so called civilized people call for the rape crime to be dismissed. Looks like the so-called backwardness of some other countries are accused of, also has infected the so-called civilized countries.


This perp evaded his crime, his punishment and over time it seems other feel that he should be forgiven and allowed to escape justice. Their moral of the story, commit a hideous crime, evade punishment and over time all will be forgiven.

[LineDoggie]

Prove it in case of Polanski and I will be first to say "Hang him high"... Natassia Kinski says they had a ****** relationship when she was 15 and Polanski was 43. Thats 2 so is he a Pedophile now? how many does it take?

Leaming, Barbera Polanski, A Biography: The Filmmaker as Voyeur, New York: Simon and Schuster. 1981. p.155

[Breakfast in Vegas]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=17027

Read up.




...Kiernan's smooth biography is candid about the legendary tyranny, sadism and pedophilia that led to Polanski's rape conviction.
Said Kiernan, "Roman just couldn't understand why screwing a kid should be of concern to anyone. He's screwed plenty of girls younger than this one, he said, and nobody gave a damn."
The child "had practically begged him" – "to f--k her," he said. "So I f--ked a chick," he exclaimed. "So what?"
After the charges of raping the unconscious girl were established, and it was clear that Polanski would go to prison, he fled to England. When in France, he arrogantly displayed pubescent girls under his spell who were used and discarded, shouting "I love young girls … very young girls."
Articles in the French press echoed Polanski's whine. He was victimized by America's "excessively prudish petite bourgeoisie."...

[Jobu]

He's a pedo and should be in prison.

[muttbutt]

He analy raped a kid, it's time he was on the recieving end...just my opinion.

No time for people who carry out ****** attacks.

[muttbutt]

You right. But its a little late for justice now. He is 76 yrs old guy, propably different person than 31 yrs ago. "Victim" forgive him (and propably get some compansation for this)... I do not see any added value in punishing him now.

Punishment should serve something...
And it will serve a purpose here too, you can run but you can't hide....I wouldn't care if he was 100 years old and carried out the assault at 20, you did it, you pay the price....Justice isn't just some thing you put aside because of time, distence or fame.

[Geezah]

He analy raped a kid, it's time he was on the recieving end...just my opinion.

No time for people who carry out ****** attacks.

I would prefer that once back in the States, and in general population, he would get a chance to sit down with some of the more violent members of the Nazi Loweriders to discuss how good his movie the piano was.

While the above would seem completely out there, it is no different than the sh!te idiots on here are posting in defense of this ***-case due to how wonderful his movies are........:roll:

[muttbutt]

He have concensual *** with 13 yrs girl that have already more than one partner and that was more than 30 yrs ago... He could even do not know their age, mother of this girl basically send her to spend night with Polanski.
Case will be expired in most of European countries incl. Switzerland...
There is not such thing in law as consensual *** with a 13 year old....in the US:roll:

[muttbutt]

I would prefer that once back in the States, and in general population, he would get a chance to sit down with some of the more violent members of the Nazi Loweriders to discuss how good his movie the piano was.

While the above would seem completely out there, it is no different than the sh!te idiots on here are posting in defense of this ***-case due to how wonderful his movies are........:roll:
Having read the transcripts of the court case, I had the urge to choke the ****er out.

[RIPTIDE]

1 - I do like some of his movies.
2 - He should stand trial for the crime he's accused of.
I agree. His movies were great.... but I wouldn't stop someone lynching him though. :)
He deserves the full rigour of the US justice system as it applies in whatever Jurisdiction the crime was committed.
Just because someone has amazing talent does not exempt them from the rule of law to any other moral obligations.

Fck him.

[Fargin]

I'd agree. But to me, a "mistake" is going to the store and picking up the bottle of diet Coke instead of regular Coke. At 43 years of age, planning the rape of a 13 year old, carrying it out, fleeing the country and then avoiding extradition for decades - is more than a mistake. It's a pattern.

I think if he'd faced the music in 1977 - not even 10 years after his wife was brutally murdered - the court may have had some mercy on the guy. But now - he just looks like a pampered socialite creep. I have a feeling that if this little prick had been middle class plumber, the Europeans would have kicked him to the curb decades ago.
I've got no problem with the word mistake, but I like acountability too. Seeing some come to his defense, by justifying his actions as consensual and a 13yo as promiscuous, just blows my mind. Whether he can actually be extracted or not, he's facing the music right now. When his mediocre movies should have been celebrated, his past is catching up in a Swiss holding cell. I think that's just dandy.

[wotsnext]

The little weasel is going to prison,
"If you can't do the time..don't do the crime"

[gaz]

He's already pleaded guilty to committing to having *** with the girl, and then skipped out be fore he could serve his sentence. If this were any other person, they would have hunted him down like a dog, and dragged him back here in shackles. And what really kills me is all of the guys on here defending him. WTF is up with you guys? This turd drugged a 13 year old girl, and raped her, and you guys act like he stole a six pack of beer. If disgusting. His ass should have been sitting a prison cell years ago, period.

Take another look at what I wrote -


1 - I do like some of his movies.
2 - He should stand trial for the crime he's accused of.

- and point out to me where I defended him. I don't think you'll find it because it's not there unless "he should stand trial for the crime he's accused of" means "I completely disagree with him being arrested" where you come from. Seriously, quote what I originally wrote and underline the part where I either defend him or state that I've got any kind of problem with him facing the repercussions of his actions whether it's a life sentence or the end of a noose. My point was that I like some of his movies and I still think he needs to be held accountable for it.

[Hollis]

I agree. His movies were great.... but I wouldn't stop someone lynching him though. :)
He deserves the full rigour of the US justice system as it applies in whatever Jurisdiction the crime was committed.
Just because someone has amazing talent does not exempt them from the rule of law to any other moral obligations.

Fck him.


Maybe one of the great tragedies of life is a person can have some great talents, seem to be all around good dude then has a serious undermining flaw in their character. This should have been completely dealt with 31 years ago, but this perv decided to prolong or avoid the consequence of their actions. It was their choice to do so, like a debt avoided, he needs to ante up and pay his debt to society.


Also What happened between then and now. Did he seek treatment for his pedophilia urges? Does he have more victims. Often the mark of shame keeps a victim from coming forward in crimes like this. Some how, I don't think this act was some single crazy incident. Predation takes time to figure out, especially when a complex method is used. A hot date and a mutual consensual romp in the bedroom is one thing, this was purely premeditated and predatory.. Meaning; Planned from the beginning to victimize person in a horrible and humiliating way.

What ever good we can contribute to this person is completely shadow by the evil that is inside of him.

[Dominique]

Take another look at what I wrote -



- and point out to me where I defended him. I don't think you'll find it because it's not there unless "he should stand trial for the crime he's accused of" means "I completely disagree with him being arrested" where you come from. Seriously, quote what I originally wrote and underline the part where I either defend him or state that I've got any kind of problem with him facing the repercussions of his actions whether it's a life sentence or the end of a noose. My point was that I like some of his movies and I still think he needs to be held accountable for it.

I apparently misread part of your comments, and took it to mean something different. but as far as him standing trial goes, he's already pleaded guilty to the crime, and was awaiting sentencing. He'll now go back to court on what's basically a fugitive from justice charge.

[gaz]

I apparently misread part of your comments, and took it to mean something different. but as far as him standing trial goes, he's already pleaded guilty to the crime, and was awaiting sentencing. He'll now go back to court on what's basically a fugitive from justice charge.

No problem. I have to admit I wasn't aware that he'd ever seen the inside of a court, I thought when he'd admitted guilt it had been in a police interview rather than an actual guilty plea in court.

Also, I'd appreciate it if you could edit your post in the other thread suggesting I'm a fan of paedophiles.

[Fade]

Is Polanski a good guy?

Yes ....................... No, he raped a child
| ....................................... |
V ...................................... V
No, he raped a child---------->No----------------------> No

[Dominique]

No problem. I have to admit I wasn't aware that he'd ever seen the inside of a court, I thought when he'd admitted guilt it had been in a police interview rather than an actual guilty plea in court.

Also, I'd appreciate it if you could edit your post in the other thread suggesting I'm a fan of paedophiles.

Will do, and sorry about the confusion.

[gaz]

Will do, and sorry about the confusion.

Don't worry about it, I've done similar things myself and thank you for changing it.

[deagle]

justice should be served regardless i think, but in consideration of the victim's wishes.

whats the message it sends out ? commit a heinous crime, and wait it out until the victim forgets and alls good ?

[Dominique]

justice should be served regardless i think, but in consideration of the victim's wishes.

whats the message it sends out ? commit a heinous crime, and wait it out until the victim forgets and alls good ?

Many rape victims, and/or abused children prefer not to talk about what happened, as they don't want to put themselves, and/or their families through the trauma of a trial, so her request that the case be dropped isn't at all unusual.

[gazell]

You right. But its a little late for justice now. He is 76 yrs old guy, propably different person than 31 yrs ago. "Victim" forgive him (and propably get some compansation for this)... I do not see any added value in punishing him now.

Punishment should serve something...

One of the main reasons, aim and purpose of law and sentencing is the protection of society. Any court and judge has to seriously evaluate what danger the person represents, how likely they are to re-offend.

In the case of paedophilia this risk is rather high. AFAIK, we do not of paedophiles whose ****** orientation would have naturally changed in their lives nor can we offer any meaningful cure or treatment as yet.

Yes, the justice system failed to fulfill this role, however, at 76 he still poses quite a reasonable risk.

[Hollis]

justice should be served regardless i think, but in consideration of the victim's wishes.

whats the message it sends out ? commit a heinous crime, and wait it out until the victim forgets and alls good ?


What Dom is saying. This is a horrific event for the victim. They can feel, relive trauma many times over. There are special classes for LE on how to handle the interview of the victim which is not as traumatic as what the defense attorney can do to them on the witness stand. Some might say that in court the victim is victimized again.

A reasonable person can understand the reluctance of the victim to go through the legal process initially. Now we have the media circus over this issue. We could also speculate that the victim may have been approach but the perp or someone representing the perp to offer some sort of a deal to hush the victim up......... NOT SAYING IT HAPPENED, but stuff like that does happen.

The case needs to stand as is, plus as DOM mention the extra crime of being a escape fugitive. The original crime as been resolved up to sentencing, which needs to be done, based on facts of the case. The additional charge(s) needs to be handle according to law.


On cases like this one can go to a Woman's abuse center and read more if they are interested. A crime like this is not unusual or rare, one would have hoped society would be more understanding of the victim by now and less forgiving of the pervert.

To add what gazell had said, This person, seems to me, not just a pedophile, but a predator.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

It's a difficult thing to deal with - for everybody involved..with the possible exception of the perpetrator who may be perfectly happy to keep doing it. A lot of times, the kids do want to go through with it (although in this case it appears that she was drugged etc.). That's why we put ALL of the responsibility onto the adult involved. But it can leave the kid with all kinds of guilt - especially as they get older, and they may not want to talk about it at all. That's why it's up to the rest of us to hold the offender responsible even if the victim has "forgiven" them.

[Macs.]

You guys just don't understand ART and are jealous of his great doings.

So what he had *** with a 13 year old ? WELL, ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ENTRECOTE OF ART WOULD SAY THIS.

Polanski can do whatever he pleases, since he is a genius and every second of one of his movies is a fart in the face of god. He is GOD. THIS IS CULTURE. HAVING *** WITH CHILDREN IS CULTURE, YOU MINDLESS ROBOTS.

[Snoshi]

Oh man.. I so hope that this guy will be thrown into a jail.. Fking Pedophile

[Derbedeu]

He raped a kid. Therefore the bastard deserves to be in jail. Seems simple to me.

Oh, and I always thought his movies sucked.

[hsh2]

You guys just don't understand ART and are jealous of his great doings.

So what he had *** with a 13 year old ? WELL, ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ENTRECOTE OF ART WOULD SAY THIS.

Polanski can do whatever he pleases, since he is a genius and every second of one of his movies is a fart in the face of god. He is GOD. THIS IS CULTURE. HAVING *** WITH CHILDREN IS CULTURE, YOU MINDLESS ROBOTS.

You know what?

That's exactly, EXACTLY what is on the banners of the protestors that have by now assmbled in Zurich.

"How can a cultural country like Switzerland arrest Polanski?"

I'm not joking, it was on Swiss TV today. I'll search for photos, quite a sight.

Then again, the comments in the French newspapers (of all places) made me chuckle.



Et d'ailleurs pourquoi ne pas signer aussi une petition mais cette fois ci pour que polanski soit extrade vers les usa comme nimporte quel citoyen du monde...
Y'a pas que les pseudos intellos du showbizz qui ont le monopole des petitions lol
Nous aussi on peut s'exprimer lol et peut etre plus intelligementLOL

For more lulz head to:
http://forums.france2.fr/viewcom.php?config=commentairesfrance2.inc&cat=1&post=57597670&newcom=1&nofirst=0&ascdesc=0&urlredir=http%3A%2F%2Fmedias.francetv.fr%2FSTATIC%2Fsalma%2Finclude%2Fphp%2Fcommentaires%2Fvalidation_commentaire.php%3Furl_provenance%3D2%3Afr%2Fappftv%2Fcommentaires-articles%2Fiframe_commentaires_article_v2.php%3Fid_article%3D57597670%26titreInterne%3DPolanski%2Ba%2Brefus%25E9%2Bsa%2Bdemande%2Bd%2527extradition%2B%2520-%2520Justice%26chemin%3Dfrancefrance2%3Afr&color=forums.france2.fr

[Telmar]

I knew about the *** relation with the 13 year old girl. Illegal, very poor judgment from him, but it could have been totally consensual.

I did not know he drugged her. That's plain sick.

I hear France is complaining about the arrest. Frankly, WTF!!!!

Our newly appointed culture minister is clearly out of his mind. Talent does not shield you for paying for your deeds, and especially in creepy cases like this one.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Here's one for you.

Say it isn't überartist Polanski here.

What if cab driver drugs and rapes a 13-year old girl?

What if black athlete drugs and rapes a 13-year old girl?

Don't think France would be calling for their release.

[Telmar]

Here's one for you.

Say it isn't überartist Polanski here.

What if cab driver drugs and rapes a 13-year old girl?

What if black athlete drugs and rapes a 13-year old girl?

Don't think France would be calling for their release.

Agree, although I'm not sure about the athlete part. Famous people get free passes.

Back to Polanski, Costa Gavras was speaking on the radio this morning in support for him, and mentioned that the girl looked like she was 25. These intellectuals tend to stick together. But in this case, there is really nothing to defend or to understand.

Frederic Mitterand, son of the former president, part of Sarkozy's bipartisan experiments, is a freaky socialite who not only complains about the arrest, but also said that the arrest showed the "scary" side of the USA.:cantbeli:

I view it as a "reassuring" side of the USA.

[hsh2]

I read Mitterands comment as well. What a bombastic fvckhead. Same with Kouchner on the radio. They should be ashamed of themselves, they should know better.

Concerning the girls age; he certainly knew about it.

I mean either he kidnapped her for the shoot or he asked her parents/lawful guardians/whatever for permission.

Or option C, the Polanski is a lamb option: a 13 yrs old girl looking twice her age and professing to be 25, walks around and enters Jack Nicholsons home by pure chance and falls in love at first sight prior to drinking champagne and taking Quaalude because she was so excited of having met her special person etc. Extremely unlikely obviously.

[Kilgor]

I knew about the *** relation with the 13 year old girl. Illegal, very poor judgment from him, but it could have been totally consensual.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape

There is no consensual nature here. Its simple rape .

[LineDoggie]

I knew about the *** relation with the 13 year old girl. Illegal, very poor judgment from him, but it could have been totally consensual.

I did not know he drugged her. That's plain sick.

Our newly appointed culture minister is clearly out of his mind. Talent does not shield you for paying for your deeds, and especially in creepy cases like this one.
In the United States, the Age of Consent for a California Citizen is 18 years old. Even if she said yes, a Minor child cannot give Consent or enter into a contract. Polanski would still be a felon since he fled.

California Penal Code - Part 1. of crimes and punishments -

Title 9. of crimes against the person involving ****** assault, and crimes against public decency and good morals

Chapter 1. Rape, abduction, carnal abuse of children, and seduction. - Section 261.5



(a) Unlawful ****** intercourse is an act of ****** intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person who is at least 18 years of age and older.


(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor.


(c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.


(d) Any person 21 years of age or older who engages in an act of unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years

Source:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9

[Ssandro]

Here's one for you.

Say it isn't überartist Polanski here.

What if cab driver drugs and rapes a 13-year old girl?

What if black athlete drugs and rapes a 13-year old girl?

Don't think France would be calling for their release.
Obviously because polanski's talent is rare and not easily replaceable by a society. Taxi drivers can be trained in a few weeks.

Punishment is not just some simple moral action. It costs a lot of money and governments who enforce it mainly justify it by it's benefit to society. In the cases where giving the morally correct punishment costs more to a society than it benefits it, then there's a good case not to do it. As we also justify morally incorrect punishment, like locking up potentially dangerous mental patients who haven't yet committed any crimes, because it benefits society more than it costs.

[hskywalker]

Are french culture more tolerant with affairs including underage girls? The movie "leon" also includes love with a underage girl.

[eskachig]

In the cases where giving the morally correct punishment costs more to a society than it benefits it, then there's a good case not to do it.You need to see a larger context - a perception that a rich/talented/famous/useful person means that one is above the law, or that the law would not defend you from such a person should he wish you harm, does its own harm and plenty of it. The idea that all of us are equal before law has tremendous stabilizing power for a society.


As we also justify morally incorrect punishment, like locking up potentially dangerous mental patients who haven't yet committed any crimes, because it benefits society more than it costs.We don't justify committing dangerously insane people - under our legal framework the insane are like children in that they don't posess the same sorts of rights as regular adults. Entering contracts, right to live where one wants, right to consent to ****** activity - all of those require one to be "sound of mind" essentially.

[Zarak]

Are french culture more tolerant with affairs including underage girls? The movie "leon" also includes love with a underage girl.

Leon didn't rape her in the butt. It was like an adoptive (non-rapist) father thing.

[California Joe]

He put his 43 year old ***** in the ass of an 8th grader while she was drunk and on drugs that he fed her. Defend that and I would just as soon shoot you in the face as look at you.

There are lots of things that bother me about this case, due to having a daughter...but where were her parents during this? Why were they having some sort of drunken photoshoot/buttsex party at Jack Nicholson's house? Where were her parents? Why was she even there? You might as well have sent your 8 year old son to play at Neverland Ranch. It's too bad he wasn't home when the Manson family showed up to play "kill all the rich people".

You f*cking guys that are defending him on artistic merit need to get a grip. Or have kids and see how that effects your judgement.

By your standards Martin Scorcese should be able to f*ck an entire orphanage, then kill them, barbecue their tasty parts and eat them while punching nuns in the face.

[domokun]

Guy is pedo who running away from justice. Being genius isn't suitable excuse for that.

[Parx400]

Must......Not....Post... Picture.....of ....Pedobear........

[Mr.K]

He put his 43 year old ***** in the ass of an 8th grader while she was drunk and on drugs that he fed her. Defend that and I would just as soon shoot you in the face as look at you.

There are lots of things that bother me about this case, due to having a daughter...but where were her parents during this? Why were they having some sort of drunken photoshoot/buttsex party at Jack Nicholson's house? Where were her parents? Why was she even there? You might as well have sent your 8 year old son to play at Neverland Ranch. It's too bad he wasn't home when the Manson family showed up to play "kill all the rich people".

If Polanski is convicted, the par parents should be sitting in the same jail cell.
I don't want to judge the girl (now woman), but at 13 she wasn't a virgin anymore, kinda gives you an idea of the morals of that girl and her family. What kind of a child and parent accepts a photoshoot at an artistic partyhouse, where alcohol, drugs and god knows what is omnipresent.
I have little sympathy for everyone involved in this case.

I don't have kids, but one thing for sure,if i ever will, i will never try to make money on their back, especially by persuading them of doing a photoshoot with unknown men with very loose morals and leaving them there alone, hoping to cash on whatever occurs behind the closed doors.



Guy is pedo who running away from justice. Being genius isn't suitable excuse for that.

Don't think he's a pedo, he's more of a "I'm an Artist (with a capital A), I can do whatever I want" person.

[Flagg]

He put his 43 year old ***** in the ass of an 8th grader while she was drunk and on drugs that he fed her. Defend that and I would just as soon shoot you in the face as look at you.

There are lots of things that bother me about this case, due to having a daughter...but where were her parents during this? Why were they having some sort of drunken photoshoot/buttsex party at Jack Nicholson's house? Where were her parents? Why was she even there? You might as well have sent your 8 year old son to play at Neverland Ranch. It's too bad he wasn't home when the Manson family showed up to play "kill all the rich people".

You f*cking guys that are defending him on artistic merit need to get a grip. Or have kids and see how that effects your judgement.

By your standards Martin Scorcese should be able to f*ck an entire orphanage, then kill them, barbecue their tasty parts and eat them while punching nuns in the face.

Classic.......this is why I love this place.

My question is why did it take until 2009 to see step one of an eleventeen step process to get Polanski back to the US?

Why not '95 or '99 or '03

I remember Ira Einhorn...it took a LONG time to pinch that murdering fcukwit.

But Polanski was keeping a VERY high profile as a movie director.

He may have been careful, but he still traveled often to Portugal, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Israel, etc outside of France....with many, many customs clearances over the years in the digital world.

We've been living in a post 9/11 surveillance world since before 9/11, surely US LE would have had Int on his movements at their fingertips when moving through international customs terminals if they wanted it.

So my question is not why HIM....it's why NOW.....why not during the last several dozen times he's crossed borders and had to flash his passport?

[Hollis]

Maybe this is a key;


The Polish-born filmmaker has not set foot in the US for more than 30 years. He has even avoided shooting in the UK for fear of extradition.He only traveled to countries where extradition was considered nearly impossible or too legally difficult to do. Obviously he knew, which would mean he took preventative measure.

Maybe some of the restrictions on extraditions have become more lax.


PS, we do need a sticky of Classic CJ posts.............

[gaijinsamurai]

Well said, CJ.

I agree, Hollis. We need a CJ's Greatest Quotes sticky.

[Connaught Ranger]

Obviously because polanski's talent is rare and not easily replaceable by a society. Taxi drivers can be trained in a few weeks.

Punishment is not just some simple moral action. It costs a lot of money and governments who enforce it mainly justify it by it's benefit to society. In the cases where giving the morally correct punishment costs more to a society than it benefits it, then there's a good case not to do it. As we also justify morally incorrect punishment, like locking up potentially dangerous mental patients who haven't yet committed any crimes, because it benefits society more than it costs.

No s h i t Sherlock :roll:

He as a grown adult recognised he commited a crime, as a mature intelligent(?) adult he had *** with a child who he got drunk and with drugs into a state of unconsciousness, the amount of people on here who find that acceptable and try and make excuses for him is truly sickening, and one has to wonder at their reasons for posting such.

What part of "he pleaded guilty" do you not understand, he is not being extradited for the *** part of the crime, but for running from justice.

Connaught Ranger.

[Zoomie]

So my question is not why HIM....it's why NOW.....why not during the last several dozen times he's crossed borders and had to flash his passport?
Because from what I understand from one of the Swiss LE spokesmen, he sid that there's paperwork to be filled out, submitted, etc, that has to be in order for the arrest to happen. And apparently the paperwork has to be submitted rather recently, which never quite came into alignment until now.

[timetraveller]

Did the lass at the time tell him his age and did he know at the time what age she was ...


And also since it happend many years ago ... what was the circumstances that lead to it .. was he a film director then ? Cannae mind for sure ?



But what i notice is the people who are defending him all because he is a film director BFD ...


you think they would get there priorities right instead of shown support for a paedo ..

[acosta]

can i take back my oscar vote? hell, i used to love that movie...

[timetraveller]

Classic.......this is why I love this place.

My question is why did it take until 2009 to see step one of an eleventeen step process to get Polanski back to the US?

Why not '95 or '99 or '03

I remember Ira Einhorn...it took a LONG time to pinch that murdering fcukwit.

But Polanski was keeping a VERY high profile as a movie director.

He may have been careful, but he still traveled often to Portugal, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Israel, etc outside of France....with many, many customs clearances over the years in the digital world.

We've been living in a post 9/11 surveillance world since before 9/11, surely US LE would have had Int on his movements at their fingertips when moving through international customs terminals if they wanted it.

So my question is not why HIM....it's why NOW.....why not during the last several dozen times he's crossed borders and had to flash his passport?

Has it not got something to do with the recent tax dodgers deal ?

[Mousepad]

(d) Any person 21 years of age or older who engages in an act of unlawful ****** intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years


Excuse me?! so he will get away with 1-4 years in prison? or am i wrong?

[Connaught Ranger]

If Polanski is convicted, the par parents should be sitting in the same jail cell.
I don't want to judge the girl (now woman), but at 13 she wasn't a virgin anymore, kinda gives you an idea of the morals of that girl and her family. What kind of a child and parent accepts a photoshoot at an artistic partyhouse, where alcohol, drugs and god knows what is omnipresent.
I have little sympathy for everyone involved in this case.

I don't have kids, but one thing for sure,if i ever will, i will never try to make money on their back, especially by persuading them of doing a photoshoot with unknown men with very loose morals and leaving them there alone, hoping to cash on whatever occurs behind the closed doors.




Don't think he's a pedo, he's more of a "I'm an Artist (with a capital A), I can do whatever I want" person.

Polanski was tied at the relevant time, if there was any evidence that the parents were guilty of anything they would have been charged to, no doubt Social Services were involved.

And for those dumb of understanding, Polanski pleaded guilty to that specific crime, and he has been arrested and held in Switzerland for leaving the U.S.A. before sentencing was ****ounced for that crime.

And because he is involved in film making doesnt put his skinny perverted ass above the Law of the Land.

Connaught Ranger.

[hsh2]

Has it not got something to do with the recent tax dodgers deal ?

It's very simple actually.

Switzerland and the USA have an extradition agreement since 2005.

Polanski has a house in the Bernese Oberland near Valais .

Getting from France to the Bernese Oberland is extremly simple, hassle free and quick, especially now that we have joined Schengen. No controls or anything. You get in your car and drive.

Polanski may or may not have been to his house in the last yrs. So far there is no solid evidence suggesting that he has been there. Only his lawyers words. Besides even if he has been, it's hard to know for the simple fact that "those communities" are secretive. You have intl politicians, musicians, film stars, industrials etc living there so evidently...

And now the key point: the Californian authorities found out that he was to appear in Zurich for the Film Festival (big advertisement), they contacted Swiss authorities and he was nabbed at the airport; the first time he flew to CH in god knows how many yrs. Like a fish swimming into the net.

Simple as that. It has nothing to do with UBS or anything and quite frankly, our politicians aren't capable of such witty planning believe me. Now it may or may not have positive consequences for Swiss-US relations but I don't "really" see them tarnished to begin with.

[LineDoggie]

Excuse me?! so he will get away with 1-4 years in prison? or am i wrong? Possibly for that charge, however as a fleeing felon he can be charged with that I'd wager and that will add years.
And thats if they keep the original plea bargain in place. Since he reneged I'd bet the prosecutors are looking into recharging him with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. One of the LEO's or Lawyers here could likely answer better about that.

[Hollis]

The news is sure spinning this in 'Roman's' favor, making it look like he is the victim. The media is leaving out a lot of information on this case and focusing on 'Roman's' trials and tribulations.

[Kit]

An absolute requirement for justice is consistency.

Lock him up like the next rapist. Hollywood needs to take off the rose-colored glasses and get with the program.

[Macs.]

Polanski doesn't deserve punishment... He deserves GUNISHMENT !

[LineDoggie]

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/09/29/2009-09-29_roman_polanskis_lawyer_caught_das_attention_when_he_claimed_us_wasnt_trying_to_n.html

Apparently his lawyer taunted the LA Prosecutors Office


Director Roman Polanski's boastful lawyer triggered arrest: report


It's all his fault.
Director Roman Polanski, sitting in a Swiss jail fighting extradition to California, brought the law down on himself by taunting prosecutors in court papers, it was reported Monday.
In paperwork filed as part of his bid to get 31-year-old rape charges dropped, Polanski's lawyers said the Los Angeles County district attorney's office wasn't really trying to hunt him down.
Bad move.
The Los Angeles Times reported that this claim "caught the eye" of prosecutors and prompted them to plot an end to Polanski's three decades as a fugitive.
But the Los Angeles County district attorney's office contends it has been trying to nab the filmmaker since he fled 30 years ago - including once in Israel as recently as 2007.
Prosecutors released a list Monday detailing their efforts to nab the director since 1978. They sought arrest warrants for Polanski in England, Thailand and France, they said.
Polanski, 76 - who lives in France, where he is protected from extradition - was arrested Saturday when he arrived in Switzerland to accept a lifetime-achievement award at the Zurich Film Festival.
Friends said Polanski did not think he was in any danger because he owns a ski chalet in Gstaad, which he visits often without interference from Swiss police.
His French lawyer, Herve Temime, said Polanski would fight any attempt to send him back to the United States.
"He is in a fighting mood and determined to defend himself," Temime told French radio.
Polanski, who directed the classic "Chinatown" and won an Oscar for 2002's "The Pianist," is a cultural icon in France and Poland, where there was widespread outrage about his arrest.
Swiss authorities told The Associated Press that bail has not been ruled out on condition the director stays in Switzerland - an irony, given his 30 years on the lam.
Polanski fled the U.S. in 1978, just before he was to be sentenced for a 1977 ****** encounter with a 13-year-old girl whom he plied with champagne and Quaalude.
The victim told a grand jury in graphic terms that he forced himself on her repeatedly. She said she was afraid to resist.



(http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/09/29/2009-09-29_roman_polanskis_lawyer_caught_das_attention_when_he_claimed_us_wasnt_trying_to_n.html#ixzz0SVznoRPW)

[Mr.K]

Polanski doesn't deserve punishment... He deserves GUNISHMENT !

He deserves some MONDAY NIGHT REHABILITATION!

http://www.heavy.com/video/idiocracy-revolution-clip-73041

[Zarak]

He deserves some MONDAY NIGHT REHABILITATION!

http://www.heavy.com/video/idiocracy-revolution-clip-73041

Bring out THE DILLDOZER!

[Mordoror]

Judge him but with a balanced and honest court

that will be anyway difficult
as i understood the judge was pretty aggressive (indicating that he is somewhat biased) and the court (if there is one) may be also biased as it is always the case when you come to a celebrity

anyway if he is guilty hang him by the balls
if not free him

but all that spin and whinning around his case is embarassing to say the least (especially from our culture minister that should choke himself)

and moreover why if he is a star/celebrity, that would give him a right different from the right of the common mortals
so the whining of the whole art planet is also moronic

[Hollis]

Judge him but with a balanced and honest court

that will be anyway difficult
as i understood the judge was pretty aggressive (indicating that he is somewhat biased) and the court (if there is one) may be also biased as it is always the case when you come to a celebrity

anyway if he is guilty hang him by the balls
if not free him

but all that spin and whinning around his case is embarassing to say the least (especially from our culture minister that should choke himself)

and moreover why if he is a star/celebrity, that would give him a right different from the right of the common mortals
so the whining of the whole art planet is also moronic


Maybe you need to find out what a Plea Bargain is, why it use. If the Judge was "aggressive" as you said, there would not have been a plea bargain agreement.

[Mordoror]

Maybe you need to find out what a Plea Bargain is, why it use. If the Judge was "aggressive" as you said, there would not have been a plea bargain agreement.
i know i know

here is what may be found on wikipedia (with the usual pinch of salt) :


Under the terms of the plea agreement, according to the documentary Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski:_Wanted_and_Desired), the court ordered Polanski to report to a state prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation, but granted a stay of ninety days to allow him to complete his current project. Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad. Polanski returned to California and reported to Chino State Prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chino_State_Prison&action=edit&redlink=1) for the evaluation period, and was released after 42 days.

All parties expected Polanski to get only probation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation) at the subsequent sentencing hearing, but after an alleged conversation with LA Deputy District Attorney David Wells, the judge "suggested to Polanski's attorneys that he would send the director to prison and order him deported".[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#cite_note-44)

that's what i call 'agressivity' (although the word may be not well choosen)

[gazell]

Obviously because polanski's talent is rare and not easily replaceable by a society. Taxi drivers can be trained in a few weeks.

Punishment is not just some simple moral action. It costs a lot of money and governments who enforce it mainly justify it by it's benefit to society. In the cases where giving the morally correct punishment costs more to a society than it benefits it, then there's a good case not to do it. As we also justify morally incorrect punishment, like locking up potentially dangerous mental patients who haven't yet committed any crimes, because it benefits society more than it costs.

How much does it take to buy your morals off you?

How do you measure benefit to society? How many pennies per kid saved?

What are you arguing for? Capital punishment - shooting them all, really would be much cheaper - or simply dismiss all law, justice system and prison sentence as it costs us?

Mentally impaired are not punished in this part of the world we live in, and they have not been for a long while, let alone locked up, even if they have committed crimes. The routine sentence starts with compulsory treatment after evaluation in such cases and often ends there, that is the phase this case was at, psychiatric evaluation, when the accused fled, to my understanding.

For your information, those mentally disturbed that pose a serious threat to society are small in number, compared to those, who are in psychiatric units for their own benefit as they are dangerous to themselves or just simply cannot look after themselves. And this all costs a ****load of money, for your moral awareness, also it is no any benefit to society to spend on.

If you confused with anything else on this expensive moral issue, just ask.:)

PS: You can make movies in prison these days, I'm sure. They have drama clubs and all sorts of fun.p-)

[gazell]

Excuse me?! so he will get away with 1-4 years in prison? or am i wrong?

Not particularly on the laws of California, as I'm not familiar with them, just as a good old cynic - must visit Lob's corner one day - I'd be very much and pleasantly surprised if this particular guy got anything much more serious than a bad look, I'm afraid.

[California Joe]

All parties expected Polanski to get only probation at the subsequent sentencing hearing, but after an alleged conversation with LA Deputy District Attorney David Wells, the judge "suggested to Polanski's attorneys that he would send the director to prison and order him deported".[45]
that's what i call 'agressivity' (although the word may be not well choosen)

That single statement contains the words "alleged" and "suggested". Not exactly the most concrete of reasons for jumping bail.

[Zoomie]

That single statement contains the words "alleged" and "suggested". Not exactly the most concrete of reasons for jumping bail.
And purposefully evading extradition for decades.

[California Joe]

Actually, I'd like to get hank's opinion on the legal aspects of all this. As a father of multiple daughters I'm pretty sure I know what his reaction would be as a dad not a lawyer...p-)

It is my understanding that if a plea bargain is reached, and the perp allocutes or pleads guilty, it's a done deal.

I don't know if legally a judge can then turn around and use that confession or guilty plea as a reason to impose a completely different sentence than the one agreed to and put the boots to him with the maximim sentence.

[Prowler129]

NOte, he skipped out on sentencing, he'd already been found guilty!

[Hollis]

NOte, he skipped out on sentencing, he'd already been found guilty!


Funny how a lot of factual negative stuff about Polanski is being ignored.

[Zoomie]

Okay, for you Polanski supporters, defend this:

Having blogged about Roman Polanski’s arrest (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaeldeacon/100011641/being-an-artist-shouldnt-put-roman-polanski-above-the-law/), I reread an extraordinary interview Polanski gave to the novelist Martin Amis in 1979, the year after Polanski went on the run.
The interview originally appeared in Tatler and is collected in Amis’s excellent book Visiting Mrs Nabokov (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Visiting-Mrs-Nabokov-Other-Excursions/dp/0099461870/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254230712&sr=8-1).
Here’s a section of the first quote it contains from Polanski.
“If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”
Thirty years have passed since Polanski said those words, so he’s had time to reconsider them. Whether he’s actually done so, we don’t yet know. Perhaps he still thinks it’s true that everyone fancies little girls, and that the press was exaggerating the enormity of his crime, and that all this somehow excuses his behaviour.
Later in the interview, Polanski says he likes Paris, to which he’d fled, because it’s “very grown-up”.
Unlike the 13-year-old girl with whom he admitted having unlawful ***.
Source (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaeldeacon/100011795/roman-polanski-everyone-else-fancies-little-girls-too/)

[jimmyboots]

Although there's no proof I doubt he had *** with only one underage girl. Watch them start coming out of the woodwork. Its also amazing how many scumbags out there can over look this guys behavior because of his artistic contributions.

[LineDoggie]

Although there's no proof I doubt he had *** with only one underage girl. Watch them start coming out of the woodwork. Its also amazing how many scumbags out there can over look this guys behavior because of his artistic contributions. Natassia Kinski says they had *** when she was 15 around the same time as this incident. She also said he wasnt that good. By the way thats from a 1981 book on Polanski. He didnt sue for Libel.

[Holycrusader]

Natassia Kinski says they had *** when she was 15 around the same time as this incident. She also said he wasnt that good. By the way thats from a 1981 book on Polanski. He didnt sue for Libel.


In some countries 15 yrs is legal age... Just saying...

[Snoshi]

In some countries 15 yrs is legal age... Just saying...

So fking what? In some countries its legal to kill people because they convert away from Islam.. I could go on and on...

This fking pedophile commited a crime and he should be punished with the full extent of the law..

[Zoomie]

In some countries 15 yrs is legal age... Just saying...
But not in America you idiot. :bash:
I still can't comprehend why you're defending him.

[pacifist]

He's a great movie director. Let him go.

[hsh2]

Funny how a lot of factual negative stuff about Polanski is being ignored.

x2


But not in America you idiot. :bash:
I still can't comprehend why you're defending him.

Even though the French Gov supports Polanski, the overwhelming majority of French population doesn't and is ashamed for the behavior of Mitterand and Kouchner. (Judging by user comments in major French newspapers).

How is it in Poland? What's the average Poles opinion on the matter? InetWarrior?

[pvt ramirez]

i think this guy is f****d up its sick how people can support him. im sure they would change there minds if it was their 13 daughter he'd had *** with .

[Difool]

Natassia Kinski says they had *** when she was 15 around the same time as this incident. She also said he wasnt that good. By the way thats from a 1981 book on Polanski. He didnt sue for Libel.


In some countries 15 yrs is legal age... Just saying...

A very adult man filling up a young girl no matter if 13 o 15 with drugs and then raping (you have to call it so) her is a bit different, isn't it?

[seraosha]

You know, if I had Woody Allen defending my actions...no matter what they were, I'd have to review my culpability.

Polanski is guilty, he admitted as much.
Time to be a man and face the sentence...try and do the right thing, not be a fugitive for 30 years. That says much more about his character than his films.

[Ssandro]

How much does it take to buy your morals off you?

How do you measure benefit to society? How many pennies per kid saved?

What are you arguing for? Capital punishment - shooting them all, really would be much cheaper - or simply dismiss all law, justice system and prison sentence as it costs us?

Mentally impaired are not punished in this part of the world we live in, and they have not been for a long while, let alone locked up, even if they have committed crimes. The routine sentence starts with compulsory treatment after evaluation in such cases and often ends there, that is the phase this case was at, psychiatric evaluation, when the accused fled, to my understanding.

For your information, those mentally disturbed that pose a serious threat to society are small in number, compared to those, who are in psychiatric units for their own benefit as they are dangerous to themselves or just simply cannot look after themselves. And this all costs a ****load of money, for your moral awareness, also it is no any benefit to society to spend on.

If you confused with anything else on this expensive moral issue, just ask.:)

PS: You can make movies in prison these days, I'm sure. They have drama clubs and all sorts of fun.p-) Exactly prison isn't used in the function of punishment in this era. I was reading that tex watson (who killed polanski's wife) was allowed to get married and have what the americans call "conjugal visits" while he was in jail. Similarly, you can murder someone and be released after just over a decade, if you're judged not to be a threat to society.
According to the current world-view, jail is justified more in terms of stopping future crimes than morally punishing past ones.
You're correct that this isn't consistently applied. If you really wanted to benefit society, it would be much more economical to use a cheap type of death penalty on all murderers. But this is supposedly inhumane

I don't support polanski as a man. I don't see much consistency in suddenly arresting him now, especially since he does more good making films.

x2



Even though the French Gov supports Polanski, the overwhelming majority of French population doesn't and is ashamed for the behavior of Mitterand and Kouchner. (Judging by user comments in major French newspapers).

How is it in Poland? What's the average Poles opinion on the matter? InetWarrior?
It's only certain circles in paris, but those circles form the "educated" opinion of a country

You might be interested to read the signatories to the 1977 petition to legalise pedophilia.

Foucault
Sartre
Derrida
Barthes
Althusser
de Beauvoir
Robbe-Grillet ect
All of them emperors of paris
These guys also supported the iranian revolution and mao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age_of_consent_laws#1977_petition_addressed_to_the_Parliament

[hank]

Actually, I'd like to get hank's opinion on the legal aspects of all this. As a father of multiple daughters I'm pretty sure I know what his reaction would be as a dad not a lawyer...p-)

It is my understanding that if a plea bargain is reached, and the perp allocutes or pleads guilty, it's a done deal.

I don't know if legally a judge can then turn around and use that confession or guilty plea as a reason to impose a completely different sentence than the one agreed to and put the boots to him with the maximim sentence.

Yeah, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Roman. I see the victim's points that it was a long time ago etc. etc. etc. but as somebody here pointed out there is no requirement that a victim want justice. The point of the criminal system is bigger than victims.

The point she makes that I do agree with is that this happens all the time and people go unpunished and she thinks the focus on Roman is misplaced since it happened so long ago. I can see that. She also points out that he paid a civil settlement and she views that as atonement for what he did. I'm not sure I buy that but I read it in a quote attributed to her the other day in the ATL paper.

Despite all that I think the guy does need to face the music for skipping out after being convicted.

As to the legal stuff.

Actually judges in state courts don't have to follow plea deals at all. I have a civil case involving a criminal defendant who ******ly assaulted an 11 year old boy. Perp pleads guilty agrees to get 30 serve 30. Judge sentenced him to get 30 serve 15. Happened a few weeks ago. Go figure.

My law partner used to be a judge and regularly gave more than the recommendation.

So i guess whatever his faults Roman's concerns that he would get jail time despite the plea COULD HAVE BEEN well-founded. Not that I am defending him leaving the country at all.

Federal court is very different. No discretion. Mandatory sentencing. But Roman was convicted in California state court.

hank

[seraosha]

According to the current world-view, jail is justified more in terms of stopping future crimes rather than morally punishing past ones.


O'Rly?
Well then lets make sure he doesn't commit rape of a child again and put his ass in jail.

[Ssandro]

O'Rly?
Well then lets make sure he doesn't commit rape of a child again and put his ass in jail.
yeah that would be the best justification, and it seems slightly unlikely. In the cosmic scales, he's been punished enough. He grew up in the warsaw ghetto. His father and sister were sent to mauthausen, his mother was killed at auschwitz, his wife was murdered. And he destroyed his reputation with this crime.

[Connaught Ranger]

yeah that would be the best justification, and it seems slightly unlikely. In the cosmic scales, he's been punished enough. He grew up in the warsaw ghetto. His father and sister were sent to mauthausen, his mother was killed at auschwitz, his wife was murdered. And he destroyed his reputation with this crime.

Apart from the last item many others experienced the same fate / life, thats no reason / justification to allow him to become a kiddy fiddler.

[SBL]

yeah that would be the best justification, and it seems slightly unlikely. In the cosmic scales, he's been punished enough. He grew up in the warsaw ghetto. His father and sister were sent to mauthausen, his mother was killed at auschwitz, his wife was murdered. And he destroyed his reputation with this crime.
Stop, you're making me tear up.

[IronFinn]

He's a great movie director. Let him go.

I hope you are kidding. I say hang him high. Fckn bedos.

[Ssandro]

Apart from the last item many others experienced the same fate / life, thats no reason / justification to allow him to become a kiddy fiddler.
It's no justification. If anything, you'd hope it would make him a more compassionate person, but it doesn't always work that way. However, I was reading about his life just now and it doesn't exactly leave you with the impression that he's "got away without punishment". I don't think we have to worry about punishment in this case. He's clearly had a horrible time if you take his life as a whole

[Universal_Soldier]

There is a little program that was NBC called "to catch a predator"
These guys never commited that act of ****** intercourse with a minor, however, they are charged with the intent to commit the crime.

A lot of the guys on the program, were sentenced to 5 years in prison with upto 25 years of probation. Others received lighter sentences of around 18 months in prison plus 5 year probation.

This guy actually committed the crime. drugged and raped a 13 year old girl at age 44. I don't understand how anyone can begin to defend this guy or fault the authorities for going after him, however late. Like it is said: better late than never.
He should head to the slammer ASAP.

[seraosha]

It's no justification. If anything, you'd hope it would make him a more compassionate person, but it doesn't always work that way. However, I was reading about his life just now and it doesn't exactly leave you with the impression that he's "got away without punishment". I don't think we have to worry about punishment in this case. He's clearly had a horrible time if you take his life as a whole

You are being serious, aren't you? I'll put this plainly...the guy raped a 13 yr old girl, admitted his guilt in a court of law, then ran away before sentencing.

Your illusions of his somehow having paid for the right to rape a child with impunity, for some kind of karmic "get out of child rape free" card because his life had some difficulty is ludicrous.

Yes, he has gotten away without punishment, and it's his turn in the barrel.
Any kind of "after the fact justification" is making excuses for a RAPIST.

[Ssandro]

You are being serious, aren't you? I'll put this plainly...the guy raped a 13 yr old girl, admitted his guilt in a court of law, then ran away before sentencing.

Your illusions of his somehow having paid for the right to rape a child with impunity, for some kind of karmic "get out of child rape free" card because his life had some difficulty is ludicrous.

Yes, he has gotten away without punishment, and it's his turn in the barrel.
Any kind of "after the fact justification" is making excuses for a RAPIST.
You guys are too simplistic. Yes there is a good argument in favour of arresting him. But the other side also has some points, which should be discussed. Finally, whatever side you come down on, he still deserves some sentimental music, his biography is not 'black and white'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uyGLFqM-68

[Macs.]

The other big question should be, what the **** is Jack Nicholson up to ?

This guy lends his villa to a guy so he can "spend" a night with a 13-year old ?!?

[Universal_Soldier]

You guys are being too simplistic. Yes there is a good argument in favour of arresting him. But the other side also has some points, which should be discussed. Finally, whatever side you come down on, there's nothing wrong with feeling some compassion and sentimental music for him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uyGLFqM-68

Last time I checked, Hollywood is in America and American law applies to everyone. Who cares what they think? The law is the law period.

[California Joe]

As to the legal stuff.

Actually judges in state courts don't have to follow plea deals at all. I have a civil case involving a criminal defendant who ******ly assaulted an 11 year old boy. Perp pleads guilty agrees to get 30 serve 30. Judge sentenced him to get 30 serve 15. Happened a few weeks ago. Go figure.

My law partner used to be a judge and regularly gave more than the recommendation.

So i guess whatever his faults Roman's concerns that he would get jail time despite the plea COULD HAVE BEEN well-founded. Not that I am defending him leaving the country at all.

Federal court is very different. No discretion. Mandatory sentencing. But Roman was convicted in California state court.

hank

Thanks hank, that's what I wanted to know. You'd think after watching Law and Order all these years I would have known that...:)

[Hollis]

You guys are too simplistic. Yes there is a good argument in favour of arresting him. But the other side also has some points, which should be discussed. Finally, whatever side you come down on, he still deserves some sentimental music, his biography is not 'black and white'.

Peasants!! We need to realize that we have a neo-Aristocracy. The new elite that are govern only by themselves. We are merely pawns in their lives for them to use us as they see fit.

We need Madame Guillotine. She bought justice for the French Peasants and eradicated the Aristocracy...... who did with the peasants and they saw fit too.


:
Debout! les damnés de la terre
Debout! les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère,
C'est l'éruption de la fin.
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout! debout!
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout!

Refrain
C'est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous et demain
L'Internationale
Sera le genre humain..........................


It is very paradoxical that the French government aids this pedo. Our Nouvelle Artistcats The Movie Industry Elites......... and we thought they only resided in Hollyweird

[hsh2]

You guys are too simplistic. Yes there is a good argument in favour of arresting him. But the other side also has some points, which should be discussed.



Ssandro, for the love of God, it has nothing to with reductionism or any other kind of philosophical BS.

1. He committed a crime as defined by the US Penal Code on American soil.

2. He admitted to the crime, pleaded guilty.

3. He was found guilty.

4. He evaded lax authorities for decades and finally went in the net.

PERIOD.

It's not some kind of a book club where we need to "discuss" anything.

Some people need a reality check, big time.

[LineDoggie]

yeah that would be the best justification, and it seems slightly unlikely. In the cosmic scales, he's been punished enough. He grew up in the warsaw ghetto. His father and sister were sent to mauthausen, his mother was killed at auschwitz, his wife was murdered. And he destroyed his reputation with this crime.
I'm just gonna say it.

your really an amoral POS

Using YOUR logic. Every survivor of the Camps should be allowed to run amok raping and pillaging

All you care about if that Polanski gets to make more movies

you dont care if he ass rapes 20 more underage girls and ruins there lives just as long as you get to enjoy his movies.

How Sophisticated of you.........

[Ssandro]

Another thing is that, while he need a re-trial, a lot of you already seem to assume that the victim's testimony is 100% certain. Polanski only pled guilty to statutory rape. The other stuff in the victim's testimony (i.e. that he jumped her) hasn't yet been ascertained. Statutory rape is still a crime, but it's not an objective fact that he drugged and jumped her like everyone's claiming



Ssandro, for the love of God, it has nothing to with reductionism or any other kind of philosophical BS.

1. He committed a crime as defined by the US Penal Code on American soil.

2. He admitted to the crime, pleaded guilty.

3. He was found guilty.

4. He evaded lax authorities for decades and finally went in the net.

PERIOD.

It's not some kind of a book club where we need to "discuss" anything.

Some people need a reality check, big time. What's your point. The police can't act like they're in a book club. But this forum is a bookclub. We're not bureaucrats, at least in our spare time, so we can discuss as many points of view as we want. Actually that's the point of a forum, otherwise this thread would have no content, just everyone agreeing with each other, writing "send his ass to jail"


I'm just gonna say it.

your really an amoral POS

Using YOUR logic. Every survivor of the Camps should be allowed to run amok raping and pillaging

All you care about if that Polanski gets to make more movies

you dont care if he ass rapes 20 more underage girls and ruins there lives just as long as you get to enjoy his movies.

How Sophisticated of you.........
I'm throwing out different points of view, because it is not a simple case. The tragedy of his life doesn't excuse him (a lot of criminals have unhappy lives). But it means that he hasn't "got away without punishment" like some people claim. The main justification for locking him up would be to prevent him re-offending, or to deter other future statutory rapists and wealthy bail-jumpers

[seraosha]

The other big question should be, what the **** is Jack Nicholson up to ?

This guy lends his villa to a guy so he can "spend" a night with a 13-year old ?!?

Not to mention Angelica Houston's involvement, however "peripheral".
I'll just get a copy of that petition and then do my best to never give anyone that signs it another dime of my money. Hell, I'll be willing to wager that they are mostly on my "no see" list already, from the fiasco's that HollyWeird has been up to lately.

[seraosha]

Another thing is that, while he need a re-trial, a lot of you already seem to assume that the victim's testimony is 100% certain. Polanski only pled guilty to statutory rape. The other stuff in the victim's testimony (i.e. that he jumped her) hasn't yet been ascertained. Statutory rape is still a crime, but it's not an objective fact that he drugged and jumped her like everyone's claiming


What's your point. The police can't act like they're in a book club. But this forum is a bookclub. We're not bureaucrats, at least in our spare time, so we can discuss as many points of view as we want. Actually that's the point of a forum, otherwise this thread would have no content, just everyone agreeing with each other, writing "send his ass to jail"

I was going to chalk it up to a language barrier thing, but no...sadly, your command of the English language only leaves me with the conclusion that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

"Send his ass to jail" really is the only appropriate response, once the facts of the case are presented...other responses, while puerile and amusing for their lack of common decency, are laughable.

[Birsanc]

@ Ssandro

First law on holes - when you're in one, stop digging!
-Denis Healey

[Atlantic Friend]

Whether one thinks Polanski's been wrongfully indicted or not, shouldn't a trial be the best way to solve the issue? If the DA's got a shaky case, it should appear more clearly in court than in tabloids, and if the DA's got a rock-solid case, then ol' Roman is going to get what he deserved.

This being said, Switzerland's sudden desire to act upon the arrest warrant isn't entirely devoid of political considerations, but well...

[California Joe]

You guys are too simplistic. Yes there is a good argument in favour of arresting him. But the other side also has some points, which should be discussed. Finally, whatever side you come down on, he still deserves some sentimental music, his biography is not 'black and white'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uyGLFqM-68

I tend to argue on here for people to see the grey areas of most subjects, especially when it comes to politics. This however is a very black and white issue.

As has previously been stated. He admitted the crime, he plead guilty, and then he ran to avoid a sentence he heard, might be to harsh for his manly, 13 year old girl f*cking, sensibilities.

Lacing champagne with ludes and then sodomizing a disoriented female or male of any age would have been rape. The fact that this assclown chose to prey on a vulnerable child on top of all of that, makes defending him even more ludicrous.

You can claim that we're all being too simplistic and that we don't care enough about beauty, and art, and the tragedies that befell this man, but the bottom line is there is no excuse for his behavior at all except a warped fascination with putting his ***** in children, and a misplaced sense of entitlement fostered by fawning pseudo intellectual cockmonkeys like you. This guy is a piece of sh*t with money and a good backstory and apparently the sympathy of an entire community that will end up learning to their detriment that their fans have very different opinions of pedophiles.

[AgentX]

There is a little program that was NBC called "to catch a predator"
These guys never commited that act of ****** intercourse with a minor, however, they are charged with the intent to commit the crime.

A lot of the guys on the program, were sentenced to 5 years in prison with upto 25 years of probation. Others received lighter sentences of around 18 months in prison plus 5 year probation.
Which is, while seemingly morally uptight in a Utopian world, an unethical way of delivering 'justice'. The same as verbally abusing a man till he breaks up and pulls out his shotgun. Then you charge him for possible manslaughter and take him in.

How long before they come out with brain mappers and charge you for every single wave depicting an unconventional thought, fantasy or idea? Precrime is full of it. Man should get his act straight and quit trying to be a god. Perfection is but an idea, not an achievable goal.


This guy actually committed the crime. drugged and raped a 13 year old girl at age 44. I don't understand how anyone can begin to defend this guy or fault the authorities for going after him, however late. Like it is said: better late than never.
He should head to the slammer ASAP.
A lot of my fellow netizens seem to have issues with his then age than the actual intent and extent of the crime. What if a 14-years-old lad was the perpetrator, and not him?

Also, I have been attacked as a supporter of a pedophile which I am not. If I seem to be defending this 76+ old man, that is only because no good will come from throwing him in for a certain period of time. If the popular vote is in favor of proving that law is above a mortal man, then let me assure you -- it isn't. Never has been. Let the perverted media sell this news for three decades. Let the authorities wait and wait and wait forever in exercising the law. Let the absconder grow old amidst all the 'shame, shame!' and the victim live a life that has never been her own. I'm sure the whole lot of you would have loved being her father -- watching her go down the same old neurotic spiral whenever they showed a face on network -- a life squandered away at the whim of story and justice mongers. You would have loved being a father of a girl exploited by her parents' ambitions, an artist with a blurred notion of good and bad, a mass media that will sell their mother for breaking news and a wooden justice system, which exists solely for the purpose of keeping alight a hope that there's some equality in the world. There ain't any!

[Hollis]

Whether one thinks Polanski's been wrongfully indicted or not, shouldn't a trial be the best way to solve the issue? If the DA's got a shaky case, it should appear more clearly in court than in tabloids, and if the DA's got a rock-solid case, then ol' Roman is going to get what he deserved.

This being said, Switzerland's sudden desire to act upon the arrest warrant isn't entirely devoid of political considerations, but well...


That was all decided 31 years ago and Polanski agree to it, so did the DA.

Not a issue. No one railroaded Polanski in to agreeing.

[gazell]

I don't support polanski as a man. I don't see much consistency in suddenly arresting him now, especially since he does more good making films.

Same thing as arresting a rapist butcher as he is actually doing more good being a butcher than sitting in prison.




You might be interested to read the signatories to the 1977 petition to legalise pedophilia.

Foucault
Sartre
Derrida
Barthes
Althusser
de Beauvoir
Robbe-Grillet ect
All of them emperors of paris
These guys also supported the iranian revolution and mao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age_of_consent_laws#1977_petition_addressed_to_the_ParliamentI was quite clear on my mind that his support was not purely for artistic value kind of reasons. But thanks fo the link.


But not in America.
I still can't comprehend why you're defending him.

I doubt that were the case in Poland either, they just brought a law out about neutering rapists and paedophiles, Poland is generally tough on this kind of shyte.

[Universal_Soldier]

A lot of my fellow netizens seem to have issues with his then age than the actual intent and extent of the crime. What if a 14-years-old lad was the perpetrator, and not him?


Yes age is also one of the key aspects of this case. I do have a problem with a 44 year old man violating a 13 year old and claiming consensual *** (which is still a felony). If he was 14 years old at the time, I don't think there would've been a court case except for the drugging part.


Which is, while seemingly morally uptight in a Utopian world, an unethical way of delivering 'justice'. The same as verbally abusing a man till he breaks up and pulls out his shotgun. Then you charge him for possible manslaughter and take him in.

How long before they come out with brain mappers and charge you for every single wave depicting an unconventional thought, fantasy or idea? Precrime is full of it. Man should get his act straight and quit trying to be a god. Perfection is but an idea, not an achievable goal.I didn't say it's morally uptight. But I didn't hear folks like yourself and the Hollywood Moralists defending these guys (on dateline NBC) for seemingly harboring the thought of statutory rape and following up on it without actually committing the crime. Yet you want to defend somebody who actually drugged and violet a 13 year old only because some people think he makes good movies. He's a pedophile and should be treated as such.