This is what is Wrong Black Community

[Universal_Soldier]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/video_derrion_albert

This video shows the graphic beating (edited by media) of a black teen by other black teens.

If this kid was killed by white folks for whatever reason, Al sharp-mouth Jessie "irrelevant" Jackson would be raising hell and every media outlet will be condemning such acts. Instead, you are met with silence on this issue. This is what is wrong with the black community. Until they start solving problems from within, and condemning their own when they do wrong, the community will continue to regress. I agree that there obstacles for growth for minorities and women in America, but there ample opportunities for anybody that wants to help themselves in America. The blame game didn't work and it will never work.

RIP to Derrion Albert

[Albatross]

Thats ****ing disgusting, no honor amongst that crew. Don't kick a man when he is down, ever heard of it?

And you are god damn straight jackass jackson would have been all over it.

[Zeckenteppich]

They seriosly do not appreciate life. At is all I'm going to say about this.:-(

[Van Gogh]

ever been to a hip hop chatroom? the black sub cultures are ruled by evil people. hip hop in particular. the women have the most pull but they go for the evil guys. they could change everything if they didn't go for them.

[click]

Naw, its whats wrong with society as a whole. They dont care about inner community stuff like this, and only begin to care when it is inner racial and when whites were involved

[Abschaum]

the future of Europe:(

[RIPTIDE]

Listen. I don't think this merits a focus on the black community does it? There's scumbags in every "community" whether that community is based on skin colour or not. You'll find plenty of white's doing similar.

[hulaku]

Listen. I don't think this merits a focus on the black community does it? There's scumbags in every "community" whether that community is based on skin colour or not. You'll find plenty of white's doing similar.
x 2. Totally agree.

[Albatross]

Listen. I don't think this merits a focus on the black community does it? There's scumbags in every "community" whether that community is based on skin colour or not. You'll find plenty of white's doing similar.


Listen, this doesn't happen in my community. No, you won't find as many whites doing this, nor will you find as many people doing this in the burbs or upper end areas.

Blacks are just as worried about black crime as the whites.

[Universal_Soldier]

Naw, its whats wrong with society as a whole. They dont care about inner community stuff like this, and only begin to care when it is inner racial and when whites were involved

I beg to differ.
So why is Black on Black crime so acceptable within the black community especially in inner city, while they cry foul when another race is involved?

Look friend, if black community leaders can devote the kind of energy that they had on Jenna 6 on cases like this, our society as whole will be better for it.

My point is simple, until black folks starts treating black on black crimes like every other crime, they will see no progress. It seems acceptable to just say that "crime rate" is high (mind you most of the crimes in innercity is black on black).

When Bill Cosby and (some times) Obama admonishes them on issues like this Black folks tend to get offended. They don't like to be criticized by their own folks.

[Fargin]

What the hell leads you to the hypothetically conclusion about what would have happened if this guy had been the victim of a gang of white guys? I think you associate their actions with the color of their skin and are projecting something onto Al sharp and black people in general.

[Universal_Soldier]

Listen. I don't think this merits a focus on the black community does it? There's scumbags in every "community" whether that community is based on skin colour or not. You'll find plenty of white's doing similar.

I disagree, Don Imus lost his job because he called black female athletes "nappy head hoes" after high profile calls for him to be fired coming from Black community leaders and some white folks as well. I don't support him, but I'll like to see black folks, at least, attempt to hold their folks to the same standards they expect from others. It will do us all a lot of good.

[Universal_Soldier]

What the hell leads you to the hypothetically conclusion about what would have happened if this guy had been the victim of a gang of white guys? I think you associate their actions with the color of their skin and are projecting something onto Al sharp and black people in general.

give me a break dude? have you been living under a rock? I can guarantee you that If these where white folks that beat this kid to death in this manner, AL Sharp-mouth will be on TV right about now running his mouth.

we have seen it before. I don't need to start mentioning cases.

[Fargin]

Just found your conclusion peculiar, that's all.

[Dominique]

I beg to differ.
So why is Black on Black crime so acceptable within the black community especially in inner city, while they cry foul when another race is involved?

Look friend, if black community leaders can devote the kind of energy that they had on Jenna 6 on cases like this, our society as whole will be better for it.

My point is simple, until black folks starts treating black on black crimes like every other crime, they will see no progress. It seems acceptable to just say that "crime rate" is high (mind you most of the crimes in innercity is black on black).

When Bill Cosby and (some times) Obama admonishes them on issues like this Black folks tend to get offended. They don't like to be criticized by their own folks.

First off, for those of you wondering, I'm black, I'm also a Deputy Sheriff, and get to deal with idiots of every race, creed, ***, religion, and ****** orientation. And trust me, black people are far from the only ones engaged in this type of behavior (just cruise around the internet for some of the videos people post to see more prime examples of people making asses of themselves).

But, Universal_Soldier has hit the nail on the head, with some of his points. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the black community, tends to not want to talk about crimes committed by blacks. They're either to ashamed to talk about, pretend it doesn't happen, don't trust the police, or fall into the "I ain't no snitch" crowd. And to cap it off many of the so called Community Leaders, are nothing more than loud mouthed blowhards, con men, and opportunity seekers out to line their own pockets, and/or or garner publicity for themselves.

We, as in American blacks, also have a lot people that fall for the victim mentality, with the "it's not my fault" attitude, or think the world owes them something. They blame anyone and everyone for their problems, when many of them are brought about by piss poor decision making, and lack of parenting. I routinely see people, that if their parent(s) had but foot to ass, long ago, they would be out there making something of their lives, instead of sitting in a jail cell wondering what could have been.

Anther issue we have is role models. Young black youths are inundated with images of wanna be gangsters, thugs, rappers, and sports stars who phuck up, instead of images of doctors, lawyers, police officers, scientists, etc. While I don't agree with our current President's politics, it at least shows young black kids that if you get your act together, you can actually have a shot at holding the highest office in the country.

[hank]

Harumph, harumph, harumph.

hank

[Albatross]

Harumph, harumph, harumph.

hank


racist..........

[hank]

For those of you who didn't get it my last comment was a Blaxing Saddles quote. I am missing the connection with this video and what's wrong with the Black Community. White kids beat up white kids. Hispanic kids beat up hispanic kids. It happens all the time Black on black violence is no different. Its a tragedy that happens everyday.

How do we get from that to what's "wrong with the black community?"

Are these kids part of that community? Did they beat up the kid because they were black? What evidence do you have to show that?

hank

[hank]

racist..........

Nailed it.

hank

[Albatross]

For those of you who didn't get it my last comment was a Blaxing Saddles quote. I am missing the connection with this video and what's wrong with the Black Community. White kids beat up white kids. Hispanic kids beat up hispanic kids. It happens all the time Black on black violence is no different. Its a tragedy that happens everyday.

How do we get from that to what's "wrong with the black community?"

Are these kids part of that community? Did they beat up the kid because they were black? What evidence do you have to show that?

hank

I think we are talking about the pure volume of violence in the urban black community.

[Dominique]

I think we are talking about the pure volume of violence in the urban black community.

As opposed to the volume of violence in the urban white community?

[Albatross]

As opposed to the volume of violence in the urban white community?


yes...................

[limbic]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/video_derrion_albert

RIP to Derrion Albert

Its disgusting, but I agree with those that point out this is not a "black" problem. Its a young-males-in-certain-cultures problem.

I know of hundreds of gang fights between white groups. Just check out the Russian gang fight videos on Liveleak etc.

Those of us who live on countries with few or no non-whites, see exactly the same problems and violence, and from the same groups: The urban poor, football hooligans, inner city gangs. They are, however, all white - like us.

You are right about the rank hypocrisy of Sharpton/Jackson and other race-baiters. The worst problems of most minority communities are from within.

I also think that the saner community leaders acknowledge that, but they do not get the coverage the radicals get.

[hank]

Didn't you guys see The Outsiders? Duh.

hank

[Fargin]

We wouldn't have been talking about the white community if it had been a white vic and a white gang.


Didn't you guys see The Outsiders? Duh.

hank
Was the main reason why I bought myself a butterfly knife.

[Dominique]

You are right about the rank hypocrisy of Sharpton/Jackson and other race-baiters. The worst problems of most minority communities are from within

Al Sharpton, and Jessie Jackson are media whores, who's primary goal is to keep the spotlight on themselves, period. They're to the black community what Rush and his ilk are to ultraconservatives.

[limbic]

Al Sharpton, and Jessie Jackson are media whores, who's primary goal is to keep the spotlight on themselves, period. They're to the black community what Rush and his ilk are to ultraconservatives.

Well put mate!

[matthew.manhorn]

Agreed, assholes like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not represent civil rights especially when they're silent regarding that issue.

[Universal_Soldier]

Its disgusting, but I agree with those that point out this is not a "black" problem. Its a young-males-in-certain-cultures problem.

I know of hundreds of gang fights between white groups. Just check out the Russian gang fight videos on Liveleak etc.

Those of us who live on countries with few or no non-whites, see exactly the same problems and violence, and from the same groups: The urban poor, football hooligans, inner city gangs. They are, however, all white - like us.

You are right about the rank hypocrisy of Sharpton/Jackson and other race-baiters. The worst problems of most minority communities are from within.

I also think that the saner community leaders acknowledge that, but they do not get the coverage the radicals get.

We agree that it is not a black problem (only because it affects everyone). The rate at which these things happen within the black community is alarming (I lived in one for a year and half). Police presence is almost suffocating but still not enough to reduce the crime rate. Solving that problem begins with the black community. They can't wait for uncle Sam. However, you cut it, my point is that black people tend to focus on other people when looking for the source of their problem.

[Universal_Soldier]

Agreed, assholes like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not represent civil rights especially when they're silent regarding that issue.

Those two has done serious damage to race relations in America. Very unfortunate.


First off, for those of you wondering, I'm black, I'm also a Deputy Sheriff, and get to deal with idiots of every race, creed, ***, religion, and ****** orientation. And trust me, black people are far from the only ones engaged in this type of behavior (just cruise around the internet for some of the videos people post to see more prime examples of people making asses of themselves).

But, Universal_Soldier has hit the nail on the head, with some of his points. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the black community, tends to not want to talk about crimes committed by blacks. They're either to ashamed to talk about, pretend it doesn't happen, don't trust the police, or fall into the "I ain't no snitch" crowd. And to cap it off many of the so called Community Leaders, are nothing more than loud mouthed blowhards, con men, and opportunity seekers out to line their own pockets, and/or or garner publicity for themselves.

We, as in American blacks, also have a lot people that fall for the victim mentality, with the "it's not my fault" attitude, or think the world owes them something. They blame anyone and everyone for their problems, when many of them are brought about by piss poor decision making, and lack of parenting. I routinely see people, that if their parent(s) had but foot to ass, long ago, they would be out there making something of their lives, instead of sitting in a jail cell wondering what could have been.

Anther issue we have is role models. Young black youths are inundated with images of wanna be gangsters, thugs, rappers, and sports stars who phuck up, instead of images of doctors, lawyers, police officers, scientists, etc. While I don't agree with our current President's politics, it at least shows young black kids that if you get your act together, you can actually have a shot at holding the highest office in the country.

Well said Bro....I couldn't say it better.

[hank]

We agree that it is not a black problem (only because it affects everyone). The rate at which these things happen within the black community is alarming (I lived in one for a year and half). Police presence is almost suffocating but still not enough to reduce the crime rate. Solving that problem begins with the black community. They can't wait for uncle Sam. However, you cut it, my point is that black people tend to focus on other people when looking for the source of their problem.

Really? You get to make this sweeping generalization based on a year and a half in a "black community" and a video? Dude, I know you guys like to kid me but that is some racist shyt right there. Sorry to break it to you. Call it like I see it.

hank

[osnunez]

Its disgusting, but I agree with those that point out this is not a "black" problem. Its a young-males-in-certain-cultures problem.

I know of hundreds of gang fights between white groups. Just check out the Russian gang fight videos on Liveleak etc.

Those of us who live on countries with few or no non-whites, see exactly the same problems and violence, and from the same groups: The urban poor, football hooligans, inner city gangs. They are, however, all white - like us.

You are right about the rank hypocrisy of Sharpton/Jackson and other race-baiters. The worst problems of most minority communities are from within.

I also think that the saner community leaders acknowledge that, but they do not get the coverage the radicals get.

x2 I completely agree.

Making generalizations on the black community as a whole based on this video is racist.

rac⋅ism [rey-siz-uhm]
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

[Dominique]

We agree that it is not a black problem (only because it affects everyone). The rate at which these things happen within the black community is alarming (I lived in one for a year and half). Police presence is almost suffocating but still not enough to reduce the crime rate. Solving that problem begins with the black community. They can't wait for uncle Sam. However, you cut it, my point is that black people tend to focus on other people when looking for the source of their problem.

The rate at which crime happens in poor communities is alarming period (as not all black, or minority communities are poor). Sitting around waiting for someone else to solve your problems, and/or feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to solve the problem. People have to take the initiative, and work to better themselves.

What I usually see happen is the guys that tire of the BS, work to get the hell out of the crime ridden neighborhoods, be they black, white, Hispanic, or whatever. While the ones who either don't give a damn, or figure there's no need to try, end up in jail, dead, or leeching off the government. Now that's not to say, it's easy, as there are far to many distractions, and/or promises of easy money. And that's not counting the guys that try to pull you down, namely because they can't find the mental strength to do it themselves. Or the idiots along the say that tell people how they can't amount to anything because of their backgrounds. but the simple fact is, you'll never know unless you try.

[Universal_Soldier]

Really? You get to make this sweeping generalization based on a year and a half in a "black community" and a video? Dude, I know you guys like to kid me but that is some racist shyt right there. Sorry to break it to you. Call it like I see it.

hank

call it racist...I can care less bro. It is simple solving the black crime issue in this country starts with the black community. If you call that racist so be it. I ain't afraid of your tired labels.

[Dominique]

call it racist...I can care less bro. It is simple solving the black crime issue in this country starts with the black community.

While we disagree on some points, I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point.

[hank]

call it racist...I can care less bro. It is simple solving the black crime issue in this country starts with the black community. If you call that racist so be it. I ain't afraid of your tired labels.

I guess the shoe fits. Good luck with that.

Have you given any thought to taking a look at what the crime picture was in poor immigrant neighborhoods was like in the early 20th century?

Also, if its a black thing then how do you explain the fact that affluent black kids that don't live in poor neighborhoods don't experience this alarming level of violence you describe?

The answers to those questions might be of interest to you. But maybe not.

hank

[Universal_Soldier]

The rate at which crime happens in poor communities is alarming period (as not all black, or minority communities are poor). Sitting around waiting for someone else to solve your problems, and/or feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to solve the problem. People have to take the initiative, and work to better themselves.

What I usually see happen is the guys that tire of the BS, work to get the hell out of the crime ridden neighborhoods, be they black, white, Hispanic, or whatever. While the ones who either don't give a damn, or figure there's no need to try, end up in jail, dead, or leeching off the government. Now that's not to say, it's easy, as there are far to many distractions, and/or promises of easy money. And that's not counting the guys that try to pull you down, namely because they can't find the mental strength to do it themselves. Or the idiots along the say that tell people how they can't amount to anything because of their backgrounds. but the simple fact is, you'll never know unless you try.

I agree with you....the only thing I was trying to point out is that a lot of energy is pointed towards others when it will be very useful if some of that energy is directed within.

[hank]

And you are right, universal, "racist" is a tired label. Unfortunately its a tired label that is still applicable in a lot of situations. I'm as tired of applying it as you are of hearing it. Maybe if you get tired enough you'll think a little and it can go away. But probably not.

hank

[limbic]

We agree that it is not a black problem (only because it affects everyone). The rate at which these things happen within the black community is alarming (I lived in one for a year and half). Police presence is almost suffocating but still not enough to reduce the crime rate. Solving that problem begins with the black community. They can't wait for uncle Sam. However, you cut it, my point is that black people tend to focus on other people when looking for the source of their problem.

Minority communities are inherently defensive. And all human groups tend to fall victim to the tendency to blame outsides for their problems and be blissfully unaware of their own shortcomings and hypocrisy.

See from Wikipedia (as a quick example)
Illusory superiority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority) — overestimating one's desirable qualities, and underestimating undesirable qualities, relative to other people. Also known as Superiority bias (also known as "Lake Wobegon effect", "better-than-average effect", "superiority bias", or Dunning-Kruger effect).

Ingroup bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup_bias) — the tendency for people to give preferential treatment to others they perceive to be members of their own groups.
I think there is no dispute that in the US, black communities have high crime rates. No one needs to tell the people who live in those communities that fact. It blights their lives. And you are right, there is a failure of leadership in some communities where firebrands and exploiters like Sharpton make things worse. But generally I would be very careful about drawing attention to this being a "black" phenomenon. It really is not. It is a feature of minorities and embattled communities everywhere.

For me, I can cite the behaviour of Kosovo Serbs or Presevo Valley Albanians, a member in India might cite Muslim vs Hindu problems etc.

My point is that there is truth in what you are saying, but to apply it to a single group seem to me to be unwise and inaccurate.

[VansRV]

Didn't you guys see The Outsiders? Duh.

hank

The Outsiders was a novel. Duh.

[seraosha]

It's parenting, or the lack of it, that's to blame.
Color, culture, race, religion...none of it adds up to squat if no one is parenting their children.

[limbic]

The Outsiders was a novel.

Wasn't that The Outsider (L'Etranger)?

[hank]

The Outsiders was a novel. Duh.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086066/

hank

[Solvent]

First off, for those of you wondering, I'm black, I'm also a Deputy Sheriff, and get to deal with idiots of every race, creed, ***, religion, and ****** orientation. And trust me, black people are far from the only ones engaged in this type of behavior (just cruise around the internet for some of the videos people post to see more prime examples of people making asses of themselves).

But, Universal_Soldier has hit the nail on the head, with some of his points. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the black community, tends to not want to talk about crimes committed by blacks. They're either to ashamed to talk about, pretend it doesn't happen, don't trust the police, or fall into the "I ain't no snitch" crowd. And to cap it off many of the so called Community Leaders, are nothing more than loud mouthed blowhards, con men, and opportunity seekers out to line their own pockets, and/or or garner publicity for themselves.

We, as in American blacks, also have a lot people that fall for the victim mentality, with the "it's not my fault" attitude, or think the world owes them something. They blame anyone and everyone for their problems, when many of them are brought about by piss poor decision making, and lack of parenting. I routinely see people, that if their parent(s) had but foot to ass, long ago, they would be out there making something of their lives, instead of sitting in a jail cell wondering what could have been.

Anther issue we have is role models. Young black youths are inundated with images of wanna be gangsters, thugs, rappers, and sports stars who phuck up, instead of images of doctors, lawyers, police officers, scientists, etc. While I don't agree with our current President's politics, it at least shows young black kids that if you get your act together, you can actually have a shot at holding the highest office in the country.

You nailed it. Well said, officer.

[Van Gogh]

here in arizona theres so few blacks that most of them stick together, even strangers. but the problem lies in that whites control the economy and won't let blacks in, letting in mexicans before anything else because they work under the table for low wages. we're hoping e-veryfiy will change all that. Even still the blacks barely stand a chance because of propaganda forums like this spreading the word that we're super violent when we're not. It was a god damn school fight with immature teenagers, it wasn't some scuffle on the streets in a poor neighborhood that everyone talks about , all this urban blacks garbage.

[socom6]

Pffft that crap happens with White crews all the time, check out the Hell's Angels and see what they do with other crews and "traitors". Dominique nailed it with his post, he in the mix with all kinds of idiots and he has seen all kinda crap.

Still that vid is showing us some real stupid brothas. And when you ask some of the peeps there who saw this crappy beat down the no informer mentality comes in.

[Dominique]

It was a god damn school fight with immature teenagers, it wasn't some scuffle on the streets in a poor neighborhood that everyone talks about , all this urban blacks garbage.

And sh*t like this happens everyday, in every town and city, this one, unfortunately ened in the death of one of the guys fighting. Hopefully, it will cause people to wake up, and wonder what exactly it is their kids are doing after school. Instead of just assuming that little Johnny is sitting quietly at home playing X-box, and texting little Suzy.

[Van Gogh]

Pffft that crap happens with White crews all the time, check out the Hell's Angels and see what they do with other crews and "traitors". Dominique nailed it with his post, he in the mix with all kinds of idiots and he has seen all kinda crap.

Still that vid is showing us some real stupid brothas. And when you ask some of the peeps there who saw this crappy beat down the no informer mentality comes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39Lm_HRfOs

[California Joe]

The Outsiders was a novel. Duh.

Stay gold Pony Boy.

[Dominique]

This is far from a "blacks only" problem. I'm one of the guys that runs our agency's scared straight program, and I get black, white, male, and female. The kids are out there, basically doing whatever they feel like doing, and the parents either don't know how, or are to busy trying to pay the bills, to effectively deal with them. The things that all of them seem to have in common, are parents who are either overwhelmed, don't have strong parenting skills, and the vast majority are from predominantly from lower income families (but, we do get our share of upper income knuckleheads, and kids who just don't give a damn about anyone but themselves).

[hank]

This is far from a "blacks only" problem. I'm one of the guys that runs our agency's scared straight program, and I get black, white, male, and female. The kids are out there, basically doing whatever they feel like doing, and the parents either don't know how, or are to busy trying to pay the bills, to effectively deal with them. The things that all of them seem to have in common, are parents who are either overwhelmed, don't have strong parenting skills, and the vast majority are from predominantly from lower income families (but, we do get our share of upper income knuckleheads, and kids who just don't give a damn about anyone but themselves).

Isn't that what its always all about? Kids need guidance. If they don't get it at home they will find it at school or through the people they hang out with. It has nothing to do with race. Put a black kid in a good family with a support system and he has the same chance of doing well as any other kid white, black, yellow, purple, or red. Put a white kid in a screwed up poor family situation and he is exposed to the same increased risks as any other poor kid from a screwed up situation.

Am I the only one that saw "Trading Places?"

hank

[Universal_Soldier]

Minority communities are inherently defensive. And all human groups tend to fall victim to the tendency to blame outsides for their problems and be blissfully unaware of their own shortcomings and hypocrisy.

See from Wikipedia (as a quick example)
Illusory superiority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority) — overestimating one's desirable qualities, and underestimating undesirable qualities, relative to other people. Also known as Superiority bias (also known as "Lake Wobegon effect", "better-than-average effect", "superiority bias", or Dunning-Kruger effect).

Ingroup bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup_bias) — the tendency for people to give preferential treatment to others they perceive to be members of their own groups.
I think there is no dispute that in the US, black communities have high crime rates. No one needs to tell the people who live in those communities that fact. It blights their lives. And you are right, there is a failure of leadership in some communities where firebrands and exploiters like Sharpton make things worse. But generally I would be very careful about drawing attention to this being a "black" phenomenon. It really is not. It is a feature of minorities and embattled communities everywhere.

For me, I can cite the behaviour of Kosovo Serbs or Presevo Valley Albanians, a member in India might cite Muslim vs Hindu problems etc.

My point is that there is truth in what you are saying, but to apply it to a single group seem to me to be unwise and inaccurate.

I concede the point to you here. You make great points which where rather mute in my earlier comments, I do realize that but I that doesn’t invalidate my prior contention.
Sh!t like this happens everywhere. However, I don't blame black the people living there so much as I blame the so-called Black community leaders. They don't bring attention these things they will rather talk about other people. Bill Cosby was criticized by many in black community for speaking out. More people speaking out will help draw attention to these problems. Look at the biomarkers for such problems. i.e. absent fathers, poor parenting, unemployment, teenage pregnancy, etc these things are the real causes not the race (most races will wilt under such burden). It is not inherent in the black race but it is prevalent in the black communities and that’s why they must also look within to address it. Unfortunately the leadership tends to look only to other people as the source of the problem instead working hard to help prevent teenage pregnancy, absent fathers etc.

Remember when Obama spoke about absent fathers what Jessie Jackson said?? I don't need to remind anybody. This problem is real and the solution starts with the black community. Even if Hank thinks that such an opinion makes me a racist. I can care less. it is, as I said, an old, tired label in this case.

[Dominique]

Isn't that what its always all about? Kids need guidance. If they don't get it at home they will find it at school or through the people they hang out with. It has nothing to do with race. Put a black kid in a good family with a support system and he has the same chance of doing well as any other kid white, black, yellow, purple, or red. Put a white kid in a screwed up poor family situation and he is exposed to the same increased risks as any other poor kid from a screwed up situation.

Pretty much. With the vast majority of kids coming either single parent households, or families where both parents have to work, just to make ends meet, they're left to fend for themselves. Without a strong set of values, and/or people who are willing to step in and provide them with guidance, you end up with band of kids wandering around getting into trouble.

Plus it doesn't help that the kids don't have the emotional maturity not to fall for peer pressure, or to realize that their actions could have permanent consequences. At 14 or 15 years old, you really don't think you're ever going to get seriously hurt, or killed. it just doesn't register with you. I had a guy in scared straight a couple of months back, who just didn't seem to realize how serious a crime he'd committed. He and otehr kid had jumped a guy that was bad mouthing them at school. His buddy stabbed the guy, but according to him, "Man, that dude wasn't even hurt that bad. The nurse checked him out." :roll: and this is the mentality I'm dealing with.

[Fuschimuschi]

Wow, did I accidently log into stormfront?

[Albatross]

They arrested 3 of the guys and charged them with first degree murder.

[CPLHUNTER]

This pretty much sums it up:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Dominique makes excellent points all of which I agree with...the problem is change, real change, taking ownership of your own life and your own actions.

But with kids being raised from a early age around drugs, violence, rap and without real parents, the cycle will continue.

[limbic]

Even if Hank thinks that such an opinion makes me a racist. I can care less. it is, as I said, an old, tired label in this case.

I do not for one second think you are a racist. Name calling is often merely a trite replacement for an argument. And it is true, the word "racist" is so abused as to render it meaningless.

As for your other points, I basically agree.

[Bathinus]

Listen, this doesn't happen in my community. No, you won't find as many whites doing this, nor will you find as many people doing this in the burbs or upper end areas.

Blacks are just as worried about black crime as the whites.
maybe cuz theres no gangs in the burbs and these kids are practicly raised by gangs and are in gangs.

the burbs are the burbs for a reason and the hood is the hood for a reason.

why wont you look at some POOR white areas. same stuff happens.

besides what is your post even trying to prove? non-whites are natrualy violent murderers? wtf?

[nubface]

why wont you look at some POOR white areas. same stuff happens.


No, Im sorry, it doesnt.

Having been through the trailer parks of Florida, old coal towns of West Virginia, and rural farm areas of upstate New York and Vermont, ive never seen this type of behavior. Sure, all kids fight, regardless of race. But not all with the express intent to maim and cripple.

Blacks really needs some time for self reflection.

[Albatross]

maybe cuz theres no gangs in the burbs and these kids are practicly raised by gangs and are in gangs.

the burbs are the burbs for a reason and the hood is the hood for a reason.

why wont you look at some POOR white areas. same stuff happens.

besides what is your post even trying to prove? non-whites are natrualy violent murderers? wtf?

Why is the hood the hood for a reason?

Same stuff doesn't happen in poor white areas, nor does it happen in poor black areas out of an urban setting.

My post was trying to point something out, that there is a problem with black urban culture. Its a statistical fact.

Learn to spell.

[ibstolidude]

Well said Bro.....
Ohh, I see.......... NOW he's your "brother."
Couldn't help myself... but if it is any consolation, I will infract myself.


The rate at which crime happens in poor communities is alarming period not as much "fun" of an answer, but it is the winner.

I would ammend Dom's quote to read =
We, as in (INSERT ANY PERCEIVED OUT-GROUP FOUND ACROSS THE GLOBE), also have a lot people that fall for the victim mentality, with the "it's not my fault" attitude, or think the world owes them something. They blame anyone and everyone for their problems, when many of them are brought about by piss poor decision making, and lack of parenting. I routinely see people, that if their parent(s) had but foot to ass, long ago, they would be out there making something of their lives, instead of sitting in a jail cell wondering what could have been.

[Bathinus]

No, Im sorry, it doesnt.

Having been through the trailer parks of Florida, old coal towns of West Virginia, and rural farm areas of upstate New York and Vermont, ive never seen this type of behavior. Sure, all kids fight, regardless of race. But not all with the express intent to maim and cripple.

Blacks really needs some time for self reflection.

First off I should've said 'URBAN' poor areas. Comparing trailor parks and farms is pointless. Two different worlds. There's black people on poor farms and trailor parks too. These kids grow up around gangs, are in gangs, so really what can you expect but gang mentality. It's the same with all others in poor urban areas. Only difference is alot more Black people live in poor urban areas than white people, so naturaly you see less white people doing this. BTW I've been robbed and attacked by white people and also natives in Canada. Some guy crashed a stolen car in my backyard. Gang fights and violence of all kinds happens in poor white countries all the time. Or go back 60, 80, 100, years when all the gangs were white in America. This kid was an honor student apperantly, and I heard he was beaten cuz he wanted nothing to do with the gangs.

Second just passing through some areas isn't like living there to know the place. Obviosly what happend on this video doesn't happen everyday, so chances are just passing through randomly you won't see it even there let alone in a trailor park.

All I'M opposing is that some people are hinting this is a "racial" problem, as in 'genetic', as in "Black people are like this". Insted of seeing the obvious which is a urban social problem. So yes, Black America does need to get their **** together I agree, but so does all of America. It's disgraceful how many areas there is in the country where'd you think it's the 3rd world, not a modern, rich country.

I've noticed alot of white people (sheltered ones), some on this forum, really, REALLY, do belive that Black people all go around grabbing their crotch, talking like rappers and slapping "ho's". That "that's just how they are". This is the extent of their view on Blacks. It's hillarious.



Why is the hood the hood for a reason?

Same stuff doesn't happen in poor white areas, nor does it happen in poor black areas out of an urban setting.

My post was trying to point something out, that there is a problem with black urban culture. Its a statistical fact.

Learn to spell.

Yes I should've added "urban". And I don't really care if I have a few spelling mistakes on a forum, English isn't my first language either.

[BlackFlag]

This is the problem with the Black community.

If you try and get your sh*t together, you better have a plan to get out of the hood because to the rest of the community you're a sell out Uncle Tom.

Don't pull the racist card on me, I lived in Detroit and went to a Detroit public school until 6th grade and still visit a lot of family friends from the old neighborhood who are all black.

It's time to stop walking on eggshells over the problems in the black community, we're adults.

Black males need to stick around and raise their kids, and teach them that selling deugs isn't an option for making a living.

If Sharpton and Jackson want to get on their soapboxes, they need to start condemning this bullsh*t Hip Hop ganster no-snitching culture. Ozzy Osbourne, Rob Halford and Marilyn Manson were thrown into the proverbial sh*t storm when fans of their music killed themselves or others. Why aren't rappers being targeted for protest?

You can only use the "Oppression by Whites" card so many times.

I hope I don't piss anyone off too much.. (Especially the mods p-))

[hank]

Is it the fact that they are black that make the "black males" you describe not "stick around and raise their kids?" Just curious.

hank

[BlackFlag]

Is it the fact that they are black that make the "black males" you describe not "stick around and raise their kids?" Just curious.

hank

Read between the lines all you like.

It's a fact that over half of black children are raised in single parent (mostly raised by their mother).

http://www.*******.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0419185720070614

http://www.squidoo.com/singleparentfamily

You can google the rest.

[nubface]

Second just passing through some areas isn't like living there to know the place. Obviosly what happend on this video doesn't happen everyday, so chances are just passing through randomly you won't see it even there let alone in a trailor park.


No, you misunderstand. These are just some of these places that Ive lived.


All I'M opposing is that some people are hinting this is a "racial" problem, as in 'genetic', as in "Black people are like this". Insted of seeing the obvious which is a urban social problem. So yes, Black America does need to get their **** together I agree, but so does all of America. It's disgraceful how many areas there is in the country where'd you think it's the 3rd world, not a modern, rich country.

Nobody is saying that its racial. People are saying that its cultural. As for me? I dont have to get my **** together. My peoples' house is in order.


I've noticed alot of white people (sheltered ones), some on this forum, really, REALLY, do belive that Black people all go around grabbing their crotch, talking like rappers and slapping "ho's". That "that's just how they are". This is the extent of their view on Blacks. It's hillarious.

Sadly the majority of black people encountered in the US really ARE like this. It is NOT hillarious.

[hank]

You aren't answering the question. Is race the reason behind these statistics? I'm just trying to understand your position.

hank

[LineDoggie]

Al Sharpton, and Jessie Jackson are media whores, who's primary goal is to keep the spotlight on themselves, period. They're to the black community what Rush and his ilk are to ultraconservatives.Al Sharpton 1 on 1 is a different person. I used to see him regularly when I worked at 30 Rock. I was amazed at his QUIET personality when the cameras werent on him. He used to talk to all of us Black and White. It threw me for a loop after him being in my neighborhood during the Tawana Hoax, and then the Bensonhurst protests.

An Odd Dude


Now Professor Leonard Jeffries was a Racist scumbag whose security detail threw us against a wall when he came by.

One thing I can vouch for is equality in scum here. The German Crackheads 2 houses down have a gang with White, Hispanic, Black, Asian and the Fight MS-13 and gangs of Whites Hispanics, Blacks and Asians.

[usa320]

First off, for those of you wondering, I'm black, I'm also a Deputy Sheriff, and get to deal with idiots of every race, creed, ***, religion, and ****** orientation. And trust me, black people are far from the only ones engaged in this type of behavior (just cruise around the internet for some of the videos people post to see more prime examples of people making asses of themselves).

But, Universal_Soldier has hit the nail on the head, with some of his points. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the black community, tends to not want to talk about crimes committed by blacks. They're either to ashamed to talk about, pretend it doesn't happen, don't trust the police, or fall into the "I ain't no snitch" crowd. And to cap it off many of the so called Community Leaders, are nothing more than loud mouthed blowhards, con men, and opportunity seekers out to line their own pockets, and/or or garner publicity for themselves.

We, as in American blacks, also have a lot people that fall for the victim mentality, with the "it's not my fault" attitude, or think the world owes them something. They blame anyone and everyone for their problems, when many of them are brought about by piss poor decision making, and lack of parenting. I routinely see people, that if their parent(s) had but foot to ass, long ago, they would be out there making something of their lives, instead of sitting in a jail cell wondering what could have been.

Anther issue we have is role models. Young black youths are inundated with images of wanna be gangsters, thugs, rappers, and sports stars who phuck up, instead of images of doctors, lawyers, police officers, scientists, etc. While I don't agree with our current President's politics, it at least shows young black kids that if you get your act together, you can actually have a shot at holding the highest office in the country.

Excellent post, couldnt have said it better myself.

[BlackFlag]

You aren't answering the question. Is race the reason behind these statistics? I'm just trying to understand your position.

hank

See, this is where you set me up to point the finger and scream racist.

If I say, "No it's not the race, it's the culture" then all of a sudden you turn it into me saying that Black culture is all about absentee fathers and drug dealing.

To put it plainly, it's a big issue in the black community, and that's the fact. Twist it anyway you see fit.

[commanding]

just watched the video for 1st time and it is very sad. RIP to the kid who was killed, for what? Makes Chicago look bad, just when they are trying to get the olympics, makes the entire US look bad.

[Pigdog]

You aren't answering the question. Is race the reason behind these statistics? I'm just trying to understand your position.

hank

Personally I'd be more interested in hearing your position on the matter.

What do think the reason is behind these statistics?

Why do you believe there is such a highly disproportionate amount of crime committed by black folks? Perhaps you simply deny the accuracy of these statistics? Maybe you chalk it up to racism in the justice system?

Why do you believe many black children are raised by a single parent?

I haven't seen anyone here claim or hint that black people have a genetic predisposition for any of this. You though, seem to have a tendency to write off any acknowledgment or criticism as racism which frankly I think is a bit ridiculous and the obvious tactic of choice for avoiding the issue.

[hank]

Personally I'd be more interested in hearing your position on the matter.

What do think the reason is behind these statistics?

Why do you believe there is such a highly disproportionate amount of crime committed by black folks? Perhaps you simply deny the accuracy of these statistics? Maybe you chalk it up to racism in the justice system?

Why do you believe many black children are raised by a single parent?

I haven't seen anyone here claim or hint that black people have a genetic predisposition for any of this. You though, seem to have a tendency to write off any acknowledgment or criticism as racism which frankly I think is a bit ridiculous and the obvious tactic of choice for avoiding the issue.

I think its socioeconomic. Race has a correlation to the statistics only to the extent race and socioeconomics are aligned. When they diverge so does the correlation.

The existence of fact A and B simultaneously does not establish that A causes B or vice versa. Nothing in anything posted here shows that black folk are predisposed to violence. Yet the damned title of the thread is "black community."

Don't be naive. Of course the author of this thread is saying there is a genetic disposition. Why else would he say "black community." If they meant poor people they'd say the poor community. It has nothing to do with being of the race that descends from Africans.

And the idea that by twisting it to "community" somehow fixes it is just crazy. If a white kid grows up in the same family as the black kid that was involved in beating this other kid to death is he less likely to commit the act? Hell no. It has nothing to do with color of skin.

hank

[hank]

Pigdog, now that I've answered your question square on you need to answer one for me.

How do you explain the phenomenon in your post?

Does the existence of more single black parents mean they are genetically disposed in that direction? Be honest.

hank

[seraosha]

I think its socioeconomic. Race has a correlation to the statistics only to the extent race and socioeconomics are aligned. When they diverge so does the correlation.

You are ignoring culture, one that has been served up on a silver platter to African American kids for as long as I can remember.

"Gangsters and Hoes", violence, drugs, and glorifying crime.

Call it rap, or hop hop, or whever...it's being shoved down kids throats, and frequently by their older siblings and rolemodels. Tell a kid that all he's good for is drugs, crime and murder, and do it long enough and make it all pervasive and it's hard to beat...not saying impossible, but it's tough as hell. And Mexican American kids are only getting a slightly repackaged product.

Instead of looking at the kids, look at who is profitting at this death culture being fed to American kids, regardless of their skin color....the parents in their own traps...where Dad is in jail, like his dad before him...if he even knew who his dad was.

Hank, go ahead and put lipstick on the "racist" pig, it's easier than looking at who is making the money off of the despair of our own families.

[Havoc345]

Al Sharpton 1 on 1 is a different person. I used to see him regularly when I worked at 30 Rock. I was amazed at his QUIET personality when the cameras werent on him. He used to talk to all of us Black and White. It threw me for a loop after him being in my neighborhood during the Tawana Hoax, and then the Bensonhurst protests.



You lived in Wappingers Falls ? I was born right when that was happening and that was in my neighborhood in Wappinger Falls.

[hank2222]

to Doninigue ..

well said ..but the problem is that the so called leaders of the blacks people have not take the time to get onto the people heads about how they way they should acted towards one another like they did in the old days of my youth..

for we where taught as a kid that there are rules to life and you must follow the rules ..like opening the door for a women no matter what color she is..help people by stoping if you see them by the side of the road..

there where little things that we where taught about race and way to act towards one another..

we had problems with the klan in our small texas town going up and i remember the whole town going over and helping with the painting and rebuilding of the church there..

i ask my father way we where doing that ..he tells that people in that church lived and died and bleed for this county ..no matter what you might think of them ..they earned a right to be left alone and raise there kids in peace and have a good job in life..

he told me that on that day ..we also had a mix race crew of farm workers ..my father paid them all the same wage for the jobs that they did ..there was a couple of them that got paid extras for the skills that they had a skills in areas like elec work and plumbing work typle skills that they learned in the military and my dad paid them extras for that ..

[nubface]

Hank, go ahead and put lipstick on the "racist" pig, it's easier than looking at who is making the money off of the despair of our own families.

Hmm! So in the end it always comes down to the Jews? LOL rofl

[Pigdog]

I think its socioeconomic. Race has a correlation to the statistics only to the extent race and socioeconomics are aligned. When they diverge so does the correlation.

The existence of fact A and B simultaneously does not establish that A causes B or vice versa. Nothing in anything posted here shows that black folk are predisposed to violence. Yet the damned title of the thread is "black community."

Don't be naive. Of course the author of this thread is saying there is a genetic disposition. Why else would he say "black community." If they meant poor people they'd say the poor community. It has nothing to do with being of the race that descends from Africans.

And the idea that by twisting it to "community" somehow fixes it is just crazy. If a white kid grows up in the same family as the black kid that was involved in beating this other kid to death is he less likely to commit the act? Hell no. It has nothing to do with color of skin.

hank

So we all agree that there is a greater prevalence within the "black community" regardless of why, no? Is it not something that needs to be addressed? When a minority comprised of around 13% of the population is responsible for over half of all homicides why is it supposedly racist to acknowledge that something is amiss within this minority group? Why is it automatically assumed that this 'something' suggests genetic influences?

Why is it that more blacks live in poverty? Do they not have the same opportunities as whites, asians, hispanics, etc? Why do blacks tend to do poorer in school and have higher dropout rates? Perhaps because it's not nearly as cool to be an honor student as it is to be gangsta, or maybe they're not getting the support they need at home, possibly due to being raised by a single parent who may not have a lot of time to spare. I think I see where a cycle could develop.

To sum this up, no I don't believe it's genetics. I believe it's a different mindset, different priorities, and different influences that create different lifestyles for different people.


Pigdog, now that I've answered your question square on you need to answer one for me.

How do you explain the phenomenon in your post?

Does the existence of more single black parents mean they are genetically disposed in that direction? Be honest.

Again, genetically no. I think most of this comes down to factors already mentioned, primarily how a person is raised. I believe, to a large extent, people are a product of their environments.

Whether it's due to apathy on the part of the parents or being influenced by negative surroundings, if you're not taught personal responsibility or you see others neglecting responsibility you're more likely to go the same route, essentially becoming a chain reaction.

Anyway, that's just where I stand on the subject, right or wrong.

[hank2222]

i hate to say this ..but MR. Cosby has been saying that fact for years and for better or worse he getting told to shut up and eat jello or go have a coke etc by members of the upper level of the socalled black leaders in this country of ours.. ..

[TheOpposition]

lol place is sure enough turning into StormFront. Never understand why people need to throw around the word "genetics" when on a discussion on race. It causes problem nearly evertime its thrown in. I swear I can set my watch to it.


Being Black myself I am no stranger to these topics. I for one however have truely gotten tired of this whole mundade dance. Everyone is usually so quick to point out "flaws" within the black community, but are never aware of thier own. They just assume they have existed with no sins of thier own I suppose. For the most part I can tell where things started to change, Hell I can even give exact dates. This of course is not worth the time nor the eneregy if your not going to listen. So for thoes of that whole neo nazi-esqe crowd go right on drawing your own conclusions. You would have done it anyways. Trying to educate a stump only makes me look foolish in the end.


Now there are numerous rescources available, and even videos on youtube that touch on these subjects. So really its up to you to educate yourself on these things. Because I can promise you the black community is well aware of whats going on. Really its not even an issue of knowing whats going on anymore. The only thing left is to prepare ourselves and take that first step.

Though at times its all funny in almost macabre sense how White America will try selectively pick and honestly dissect isssue and then flip something to an almost fairy-tale state. I mean has any ever truely looked at some of the "Statistics" being produced? I mean there is no way to be 90% of the crime, 90% of the deaths due to what ever the flavor of the month topic, and only 13% of of the population.

Though I can certainly understand why people are jumping to conclusions. Its just human fact that people never understand something looking from the outside in. It never happenes, you cant even begin to grasp the concept. When you have never been there.

Sometimes though common sense could have been used to divert alot of this misunderstanding. One thing that really bugs the hell out of me is when I see people complaing about Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton. Then have the audacity to ask questions like "Grrr why doesn't the black community have better leaders?!" Im sitting here thinking umm..because you killed them all? I think people know the anwsers to thier own question, they are just too embarassed to see the anwers.



So please insted remaking this topic like a coldsore that never goes away. Why not go out there and educate yourself on what is really going on?

[BorisBC]

Well as an outsider looking in, would any of the black leaders of their communities have a massive reason to comment on this? As it's not racially motivated? I thought, from what I've gathered, that they are more likely to comment on something thing when it's racially motivated. If I were them though, I'd be using this as opportunity TO get up and say something about the problems in their community!

Trust me though, we have the same issues in this country with some of our muslim leaders and aboriginal leaders, who are quick to stick the boot in, but are less likely to stand up and try to change the social problems that afflict their communities.

[timetraveller]

Listen. I don't think this merits a focus on the black community does it? There's scumbags in every "community" whether that community is based on skin colour or not. You'll find plenty of white's doing similar.

Exactly


Same happend near where i stay a month ago in Paisley Youths from 2 Schools ended up havin a barny in the high st and the Police station is only 2 mins away .

School rivalry has always been a part of life same most times it developes into Area's ie you get schemes against each other ..


I have witnessed it many many occasion's and you gotta be street wise have to be 5 moves ahead every step you take nae point taking chances and as for the title of this thread it can be taking out of centext ...

And you get kids some who are game that have the attitude I don't a fk ...

[timetraveller]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/video_derrion_albert

This video shows the graphic beating (edited by media) of a black teen by other black teens.

If this kid was killed by white folks for whatever reason, Al sharp-mouth Jessie "irrelevant" Jackson would be raising hell and every media outlet will be condemning such acts. Instead, you are met with silence on this issue. This is what is wrong with the black community. Until they start solving problems from within, and condemning their own when they do wrong, the community will continue to regress. I agree that there obstacles for growth for minorities and women in America, but there ample opportunities for anybody that wants to help themselves in America. The blame game didn't work and it will never work.

RIP to Derrion Albert

Have you ever seen the film Boyz n the Hood ? Am just curious what kind of upbringing did you have when you were a kid ? have you never seen kids at your school fight ?

Or did you spend you schooling years at boarding school ?

[commanding]

I think no matter what color one's skin is, or ethnic or cultural background...that life is not easy, nor is child rearing. Especially in these days since the industrial revolution.
It isn't easy for whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, etc.
There are bad apples in all groups.
I think most of us guys at least have been in serious fights while in high school and college, and some in Junior high and even in grade school. So we understand fighting, getting the crap beat out of you and someone else too. But when it crosses the line, that thin line...you have stepped over to the criminal side. As the old saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
The causes are many. Stupidity, peer influence, bad parenting, bad luck, crappy schools, bad cultural/govt work in providing for youth, etc.
In the end, it is up to the individual, and once that line has been crossed, the person who did the crime HAS to pay for it.
I feel terribly sad about the poor fellow who died as it was SO pointless.
Ripped a child away from his family forever. He will never know a wife or his children, or the pleasure of grandchildren. Nor will his parents know the pleasure of their own grandchildren.
So sad.

(PS, I was in fights in grade school, junior high, high school and a lot of fights in college..but always with fists and one on one except for one time I took on two guys in the street and got my butt whipped)

[seraosha]

lol place is sure enough turning into StormFront. Never understand why people need to throw around the word "genetics" when on a discussion on race. It causes problem nearly evertime its thrown in. I swear I can set my watch to it.


Being Black myself I am no stranger to these topics. I for one however have truely gotten tired of this whole mundade dance. Everyone is usually so quick to point out "flaws" within the black community, but are never aware of thier own. They just assume they have existed with no sins of thier own I suppose. For the most part I can tell where things started to change, Hell I can even give exact dates. This of course is not worth the time nor the eneregy if your not going to listen. So for thoes of that whole neo nazi-esqe crowd go right on drawing your own conclusions. You would have done it anyways. Trying to educate a stump only makes me look foolish in the end.


Now there are numerous rescources available, and even videos on youtube that touch on these subjects. So really its up to you to educate yourself on these things. Because I can promise you the black community is well aware of whats going on. Really its not even an issue of knowing whats going on anymore. The only thing left is to prepare ourselves and take that first step.

Though at times its all funny in almost macabre sense how White America will try selectively pick and honestly dissect isssue and then flip something to an almost fairy-tale state. I mean has any ever truely looked at some of the "Statistics" being produced? I mean there is no way to be 90% of the crime, 90% of the deaths due to what ever the flavor of the month topic, and only 13% of of the population.

Though I can certainly understand why people are jumping to conclusions. Its just human fact that people never understand something looking from the outside in. It never happenes, you cant even begin to grasp the concept. When you have never been there.

Sometimes though common sense could have been used to divert alot of this misunderstanding. One thing that really bugs the hell out of me is when I see people complaing about Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton. Then have the audacity to ask questions like "Grrr why doesn't the black community have better leaders?!" Im sitting here thinking umm..because you killed them all? I think people know the anwsers to thier own question, they are just too embarassed to see the anwers.



So please insted remaking this topic like a coldsore that never goes away. Why not go out there and educate yourself on what is really going on?

This same old line? Please bring something to the table to discuss, or sit this one out.

[Albatross]

lol place is sure enough turning into StormFront. Never understand why people need to throw around the word "genetics" when on a discussion on race. It causes problem nearly evertime its thrown in. I swear I can set my watch to it.


Being Black myself I am no stranger to these topics. I for one however have truely gotten tired of this whole mundade dance. Everyone is usually so quick to point out "flaws" within the black community, but are never aware of thier own. They just assume they have existed with no sins of thier own I suppose. For the most part I can tell where things started to change, Hell I can even give exact dates. This of course is not worth the time nor the eneregy if your not going to listen. So for thoes of that whole neo nazi-esqe crowd go right on drawing your own conclusions. You would have done it anyways. Trying to educate a stump only makes me look foolish in the end.

We aren't neo-nazis, there is quite the social spectrum posting in this thread. So, you can shove that comment right up your ass.


Now there are numerous rescources available, and even videos on youtube that touch on these subjects. So really its up to you to educate yourself on these things. Because I can promise you the black community is well aware of whats going on. Really its not even an issue of knowing whats going on anymore. The only thing left is to prepare ourselves and take that first step.

Who is preparing to take that step and what is it? Also, please provide us with a link to these resources so we can look at them.

Though at times its all funny in almost macabre sense how White America will try selectively pick and honestly dissect isssue and then flip something to an almost fairy-tale state. I mean has any ever truely looked at some of the "Statistics" being produced? I mean there is no way to be 90% of the crime, 90% of the deaths due to what ever the flavor of the month topic, and only 13% of of the population.

Why isn't it possible, if 90% of the crime is taking place in these areas why wouldn't it be probably that the people that reside in these areas are committing the crimes? Are the cops arresting the wrong people 90% of the time? I don't think so.

Though I can certainly understand why people are jumping to conclusions. Its just human fact that people never understand something looking from the outside in. It never happenes, you cant even begin to grasp the concept. When you have never been there.

You are trying to make an excuse for unexcusable behavior that is going on in these neighborhoods. Guess what, there is no excuse. Its idiotic, stupid, uneducated, horrible and disgusting what goes on.

Sometimes though common sense could have been used to divert alot of this misunderstanding. One thing that really bugs the hell out of me is when I see people complaing about Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton. Then have the audacity to ask questions like "Grrr why doesn't the black community have better leaders?!" Im sitting here thinking umm..because you killed them all? I think people know the anwsers to thier own question, they are just too embarassed to see the anwers.

WHOOOAAAA, WE? who is we? You mean us neo-nazi's? You sir are an idiot. If you would like to know why the black "community" doesn't have any leaders could it be that the black "community" refers to them as "uncle tom" or "sell-outs".


So please insted remaking this topic like a coldsore that never goes away. Why not go out there and educate yourself on what is really going on?

Why don't you go out there and start educating the kids that are having to live through this nightmare that there is a better way. It never goes away because the inner city communities can't ever get it under control. Why is it always someone elses fault? Why can't they take ownership of the situation?