Labour Party Conference (UK)

[Stevey1]

So, what are peoples thoughts on Labour winning the election next spring?

-Will Brown be able to deliver a Henry V -type speech tommorow? If so will it have any effect on the dismal poll ratings?

I managed to catch Peter Mandelson's speech this afternoon on my lunch break. The Labourites (and some in the media) seemed to love it, but I thought his delivery and the substance were downright bizarre at times (especially when he nearly burst into song talking about George Osborne)

[Arfah]

They're all doomed !

[Stevey1]

I hope that this current inept bunch are obliterated at the next election. A boiled potato would provide better governance at the moment I think :)

I just have a horrid feeling they may cling on :|

[Arfah]

They're taking the p1ss out of the U.K. tax payer.

More money spent on everything but none of it is managed. WASTE !
Nannying and over regulation.
Integration into a european superstate without our promised referendum.
Other Euro states don't seem to be punished for flouting the rules and also retain their opt outs and rebates whilst ours are given away.
Education, education, education. Children in inner cities are still thick and you can get a university degree in a nonsensical topic such as Klingon !!!
No seperate parliament for the English ! Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can have a say on purely English affairs through Westminster !?
Political Wars to maintain a supposed 'Special Relationship.'
Generals not being allowed to get on with winning a war due to the 'Westminster Long Handled Screwdriver'
Illegal Immigration. They keep getting in but we can't boot them out due to the European Human Rights Act !
The European Human Rights Act - Protects villians, not their victims.
Too many different 'types of rubbish' bins with built in spy sensors
CCTV everywhere ! Perfect for local govt. spying. Doesn't solve crime though.
The congestion charge (we already pay road tax ?!)
The Dartford Toll. Despite having paid itself off a few years ago. Govt. sold its operation to a private company in order to earn more revenue.
Fuel Tax (probably the highest on the planet)
Road Tax - the size of a vehicle is irrelevant.
Tax on utility bills
Lack of regulation on big city banks
Recession - Despite being told for over ten years that we are in a strong financial position, however, Gold reserves sold at a stupidly cheap price but gold is now at his highest price ever !
No money saved for a rainy day despite having large reserves of capital when they came to power.
Spend, spend, spend. Tax, tax, tax.
Crime is up
Unemployment is up
People on welfare don't want jobs because life on the dole is too cushty.
Foreign Aid p-) For example: India has an £80million Aircrafr Carrier project and a nuclear weapons programme yet the U.K. is providing £70million to India because one of its central provinces is a bit hard up ???

On the plus side. Queues are mostly down on hospital waiting lists (only because there aren't beds available for the most dire cases and are treated as out-patients) and the service has improved.

That'll do for now

[Thumpsquid]

No seperate parliament for the English ! Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can have a say on purely English affairs through Westminster !?

to be fair though, the Welsh assembly are only interested in sheep quotas and how far the welsh language has increased in Angelsey. it has no power at all

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I hope they all die from AIDS

[Arfah]

I hope they all die from AIDS

I'd prefer something quicker.

Drowning in concentrated acid p-)

P.S. - That's an unusually short sentence for you A.V.E.S. ?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I'd prefer something quicker.

Drowning in concentrated acid p-)

P.S. - That's an unusually short sentence for you A.V.E.S. ?

Got to rush off and cook my own dinner tonight the missus is away!

You're right though AIDS is too slow I vote that they die rapidly and gruesomely through a plague of boils :-)

[Blackcatnursery]

They're all doomed !
I think it might be more like we are all doomed!


They're taking the p1ss out of the U.K. tax payer.
That'll do for now
I think you missed foreign aid, what a joke. Good list though

Anyway whatever they say this week and how much the big up Gordon Clown they will not be in power again for at least a generation. Sad thing is the other bunch don't instil me with much confidence either.

[Mackie]

Tomorrow? A Brown only speech or discussion with Cameron?
Live on Sky?

[nemowork]

Less Henry V more George IV or James II.

Catching most of this has been like watching a funeral only the corpse hasnt realised its time to stop moving.

They must have worked hard, there are supposed to have been 50 drafts of the speech so far, it might be perfect, it might promise green upland pastures and milk and honey but theres always going to be one massive problem. Gordon Brown!

He's a backroom planner more used to leading committee's, he has all the leadership skills, charisma and inspirational ability of a tax return. If he did have them he wouldnt be in this mess and Cameron, who is big on laid back style but short on obvious substance wouldnt have walked over him for the last few years.

Even if you can get over the sanctimonious interference in everyone's lives and the money wasting, watching that chin flop around like a landed flounder makes me wince.

Cameron pulled off that against the odds, bravura speech but i dont think he could have done it with the amount of baggage Brown has.

Sounds like a not a lot of hope then, although miracles do happen.

[Soldat_Américain]

Let's go Cameron...too bad there's no coverage on my side of the pond.

[Arfah]

I think it might be more like we are all doomed!

Sad thing is the other bunch don't instil me with much confidence either.

Seconded !

However, a change is as good as a rest ( a blood lusting coup would be better !) :)

[Stevey1]

They're taking the p1ss out of the U.K. tax payer.

More money spent on everything but none of it is managed. WASTE !
Nannying and over regulation.
Integration into a european superstate without our promised referendum.
Other Euro states don't seem to be punished for flouting the rules and also retain their opt outs and rebates whilst ours are given away.
Education, education, education. Children in inner cities are still thick and you can get a university degree in a nonsensical topic such as Klingon !!!
No seperate parliament for the English ! Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can have a say on purely English affairs through Westminster !?
Political Wars to maintain a supposed 'Special Relationship.'
Generals not being allowed to get on with winning a war due to the 'Westminster Long Handled Screwdriver'
Illegal Immigration. They keep getting in but we can't boot them out due to the European Human Rights Act !
The European Human Rights Act - Protects villians, not their victims.
Too many different 'types of rubbish' bins with built in spy sensors
CCTV everywhere ! Perfect for local govt. spying. Doesn't solve crime though.
The congestion charge (we already pay road tax ?!)
The Dartford Toll. Despite having paid itself off a few years ago. Govt. sold its operation to a private company in order to earn more revenue.
Fuel Tax (probably the highest on the planet)
Road Tax - the size of a vehicle is irrelevant.
Tax on utility bills
Lack of regulation on big city banks
Recession - Despite being told for over ten years that we are in a strong financial position, however, Gold reserves sold at a stupidly cheap price but gold is now at his highest price ever !
No money saved for a rainy day despite having large reserves of capital when they came to power.
Spend, spend, spend. Tax, tax, tax.
Crime is up
Unemployment is up
People on welfare don't want jobs because life on the dole is too cushty.
Foreign Aid p-) For example: India has an £80million Aircrafr Carrier project and a nuclear weapons programme yet the U.K. is providing £70million to India because one of its central provinces is a bit hard up ???

On the plus side. Queues are mostly down on hospital waiting lists (only because there aren't beds available for the most dire cases and are treated as out-patients) and the service has improved.

That'll do for now

I'd pay to witness a Labour canvasser coming to your door

[Arfah]

I'd pay to witness a Labour canvasser coming to your door

I'd sell you a ticket :)

[nemowork]

Although considering the last two major slogans Labour party slogans 'British jobs for British workers' and this conferences 'Operation fightback' turned out to be directly lifted from the BNP campaigns it might be worthwhile listening for a few unintentional gems.

[Arfah]

Although considering the last two major slogans Labour party slogans 'British jobs for British workers' and this conferences 'Operation fightback' turned out to be directly lifted from the BNP campaigns it might be worthwhile listening for a few unintentional gems.

Considering the amount of economic debt we're in I wouldn't be surprised if their next slogan will be, "Work sets you free - In 2193 !"

[Blackcatnursery]

Although considering the last two major slogans Labour party slogans 'British jobs for British workers' and this conferences 'Operation fightback' turned out to be directly lifted from the BNP campaigns it might be worthwhile listening for a few unintentional gems.

If you want to see fight night then watch the BBC on 22 October, Question Time. BNP are on that night in London and I can see some fireworks.

[Blackcatnursery]

Considering the amount of economic debt we're in I wouldn't be surprised if their next slogan will be, "Work sets you free - In 2193 !"
Pity we have not got a tax system where you pay for essential services such as army, health, education etc.
But you can opt in for peripheral things like foreign aid

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Let's go Cameron...too bad there's no coverage on my side of the pond.

The idea that a clique of Old Etonian toryboys who have nice hair are going to sort the problems out is fanciful at best.

A conservative government would just be a reshuffling of the same tired old pack of cards.

[Lazy Lob]

Brown will probably withdraw the labour buttplug of power and wave it under Mandy’s nose only to reinsert it to prove he’s boss.

He will lie through his teeth and his minions will applaud him. Lie, lie, lie etc etc.

[Soldat_Américain]

The idea that a clique of Old Etonian toryboys who have nice hair are going to sort the problems out is fanciful at best.

A conservative government would just be a reshuffling of the same tired old pack of cards.
I think if Parliament was more like Congress it would be a little better...but then schmucks say if only Congress was more like Parliament we'd be a helluva lot better. But at least with Congress you vote for a person...er you're supposed to vote for the person as the party name is much smaller.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I think if Parliament was more like Congress it would be a little better...but then schmucks say if only Congress was more like Parliament we'd be a helluva lot better. But at least with Congress you vote for a person...er you're supposed to vote for the person as the party name is much smaller.

I think the American system would be preferable.

At the risk of making myself even more unpopular on here :-) I think the Monarchy will also have to go as well because it's existence as an institution underpins a lot of what is wrong and outdated. While I respect Her Maj as a person I think the institution is well past it's sell by date and some radical and rapid reshaping of the political landscape needs to take place in order to ensure a prosperous and functioning society in the decades ahead.

[RIPTIDE]

I think the American system would be preferable.

At the risk of making myself even more unpopular on here :-) I think the Monarchy will also have to go as well because it's existence as an institution underpins a lot of what is wrong and outdated. While I respect Her Maj as a person I think the institution is well past it's sell by date and some radical and rapid reshaping of the political landscape needs to take place in order to ensure a prosperous and functioning society in the decades ahead.
Her Maj will have to stay. Tourism revenue is huge.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

So, what are peoples thoughts on Labour winning the election next spring?

-Will Brown be able to deliver a Henry V -type speech tommorow? If so will it have any effect on the dismal poll ratings?

I managed to catch Peter Mandelson's speech this afternoon on my lunch break. The Labourites (and some in the media) seemed to love it, but I thought his delivery and the substance were downright bizarre at times (especially when he nearly burst into song talking about George Osborne)I don't think the Tories are going to get the landslide victory they are hoping for and they have spent a lot of time telling everyone how they have many of the same policies as the Liberals so the Libs must now be dusting off the Liberal Coalition document.

[TheKiwi]

Governments in their third term have never been able to do the "refresh our image" thing successfully. It's all just polishing the turd, and no amount of cabinet minister swapping and re-announcing the same old polices as new ones will change that. By the time the end of your third term rolls around, about the only things you are doing politically is defending yesterdays policies that (much like a drunken roll in the hay with a fat chick) seemed like a good idea at the time, and throwing "new" policy at the media, desperately following the last weeks opinion poll.

Here's my prediction: Labour will be dumped like Paris Hilton dumps last weeks set of smelly shoes. It may not be a landslide, but it will be something rather close. Those on the left who are tired of holding their noses while voting Labour, will desert for the Lib Dems. Although the Lib Dems will still be the third largest party in the house, it won't be by much.

The Tories, having spent the last 5 years saying "we're just like Labour", will prove to be "just like Labour. Expect to see one or two publicity stunt roll-backs of the crap from the last 12 years, and otherwise more of the same.

Gordon Brown will resign as leader and will write his autobiography "How the hell did that happen?". It won't sell very well, but a few copies will be ceremonially put on a November 5 bonfire.

[saturnin]

They're taking the p1ss out of the U.K. tax payer.

More money spent on everything but none of it is managed. WASTE !
Nannying and over regulation.
Integration into a european superstate without our promised referendum.
Other Euro states don't seem to be punished for flouting the rules and also retain their opt outs and rebates whilst ours are given away.
Education, education, education. Children in inner cities are still thick and you can get a university degree in a nonsensical topic such as Klingon !!!
No seperate parliament for the English ! Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can have a say on purely English affairs through Westminster !?
Political Wars to maintain a supposed 'Special Relationship.'
Generals not being allowed to get on with winning a war due to the 'Westminster Long Handled Screwdriver'
Illegal Immigration. They keep getting in but we can't boot them out due to the European Human Rights Act !
The European Human Rights Act - Protects villians, not their victims.
Too many different 'types of rubbish' bins with built in spy sensors
CCTV everywhere ! Perfect for local govt. spying. Doesn't solve crime though.
The congestion charge (we already pay road tax ?!)
The Dartford Toll. Despite having paid itself off a few years ago. Govt. sold its operation to a private company in order to earn more revenue.
Fuel Tax (probably the highest on the planet)
Road Tax - the size of a vehicle is irrelevant.
Tax on utility bills
Lack of regulation on big city banks
Recession - Despite being told for over ten years that we are in a strong financial position, however, Gold reserves sold at a stupidly cheap price but gold is now at his highest price ever !
No money saved for a rainy day despite having large reserves of capital when they came to power.
Spend, spend, spend. Tax, tax, tax.
Crime is up
Unemployment is up
People on welfare don't want jobs because life on the dole is too cushty.
Foreign Aid p-) For example: India has an £80million Aircrafr Carrier project and a nuclear weapons programme yet the U.K. is providing £70million to India because one of its central provinces is a bit hard up ???

On the plus side. Queues are mostly down on hospital waiting lists (only because there aren't beds available for the most dire cases and are treated as out-patients) and the service has improved.

That'll do for now

You have a valit points here, sometimes a little misleading but still a generally agree with you on most of them. So how much for this ticket?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

No money saved for a rainy day despite having large reserves of capital when they came to power.I believe reserves were depleted when they came to power and not at all healthy for until about 4 years after gaining power. They have made a bit of a hash of it since then though.:)

[wotsnext]

I have said it before.....Don't expect any big changes if the tories get in next time,
just the same old sh1t in a different wrapper :-(

[Arfah]

I don't want the Monarchy to be replaced.

We'll just have another tier of sleazy politicians ruining the country at a higher level. Their expense claims would be even worse than the last lot !

[timetraveller]

One thing is you never see any party member at your door only at election times even then they are annoying and very irratating ...

There was a boy who was a blatent weirdo who now is on the council for labour he aint street wise period ...

I remember still to this day when i was in the shop ... he came in wearin a police hat said to me whilst i was in conversation with the shopkeeper

" I've got my eye on you "

I'd like to know what clueless wonder's voted him in lol

[oldsoak]

Were I the Tories or the Lib Dems , I'd walk away from the election saying Labour got us in sh*t, Labour can get us out. Then watch Broon realise he's going to have to drink the poisoned chalice he left for others...

[szr]

Is there any sense in Britain that an election may come before June or are they expected to hold out?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Were I the Tories or the Lib Dems , I'd walk away from the election saying Labour got us in sh*t, Labour can get us out. Then watch Broon realise he's going to have to drink the poisoned chalice he left for others...Some Tory theorists like Redwood have pretty much said that the Conservatives will regret winning the next election some like Tebbit still do not believe Cameron is fit to govern in an effective way and can only further damage the Conservative party.

[wilmet]

Is there any sense in Britain that an election may come before June or are they expected to hold out?

"While Brown has until June 3 to call the vote, local elections are already scheduled on May 6. A 34-page Labour document titled, “General Election Handbook Part 1 -- A day-by- day planner for your general election campaign,” was issued to candidates and campaign chiefs this week at the conference. The document’s description of an April campaign suggests that Brown is planning to hold the general election the same day as voting for local officials. “This would appear to confirm a May 6 election,”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aqRvUqkYV8ao

[Andy S]

They keep going on about change and making it better, what the **** have you been doing for 12 years!!!!!!!!!!

Changing it and making it worse.

[Stevey1]

I think Brown's speech today was dreadful. Over -long, no theme, same old policies and fall-back soundbites. And it had supposedly gone through dozens of versions :|

Where was the sense of leadership, of inspiration?

While I feel sorry for Sarah Brown and can understand her sentiments she has no place giving an introductory 'My husband is really very nice' speech as well. It's like going to a job interview and letting your mother speak for you.

No real mention was given to cutting debt. We were back on Brown's old 'I can spend forever' narrative.

The anti-Tory rhetoric was boring. So what if David Cameron is privileged? Surely only competence is relevant? 'Tories have no heart' -eh? WTF does he mean by that? This isn't the Wizard of Oz

As least with the Tories when they make decisions they stick to them and they take a firm line for Britain's interests overseas.

Brown does more U-Turns than the artist Usher in his little-known pop record 'U-Turn'


I'd rather have a competent Toff than a power-crazed ditherer any day

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I think Brown's speech today was dreadful. Over -long, no theme, same old policies and fall-back soundbites. And it had supposedly gone through dozens of versions :|

Where was the sense of leadership, of inspiration?

While I feel sorry for Sarah Brown and can understand her sentiments she has no place given an introductory 'My husband is really very nice' speech as well. It's like going to a job interview and letting your mother speak for you.

No real mention was given to cutting debt. We were back on Brown's old 'I can spend forever' narrative.

The anti-Tory rhetoric was boring. So what if David Cameron is privileged? Surely only competence is relevant? 'Tories have no heart' -eh? WTF does he mean by that?

As least with the Tories when they make decisions they stick to them and they take a firm line for Britain's interests overseas.

Brown does more U-Turns than the artist Usher in his little-known pop record 'U-Turn'


I'd rather have a competent Toff than a power-crazed ditherer any dayYeah a complete cut and paste of the last few PM party conference speeches. I do have serious doubts on Cameron’s leadership abilities and see him more in the mould of Tony Blair just another articulate Flim Flam man who will fall prey to the party knives about 18 months into his government. As for the Tories sticking to decisions I doubt they dither any less than Labour and I do recall John Majors government being something a confusion with endless re-designation of policies and flip-flops. Conservative foreign policy like Labour has always been guided by the Special Relationship so expect no changes there.

[Stevey1]

Yeah a complete cut and paste of the last few PM party conference speeches. I do have serious doubts on Cameron’s leadership abilities and see him more in the mould of Tony Blair just another articulate Flim Flam man who will fall prey to the party knives about 18 months into his government. As for the Tories sticking to decisions I doubt they dither any less than Labour and I do recall John Majors government being something a confusion with endless re-designation of policies and flip-flops. Conservative foreign policy like Labour has always been guided by the Special Relationship so expect no changes there.


I do agree to an extent RE: Cameron. I would have prefered David Davis (he's ex-TA SAS I think?). I do, however, think that he must have a ruthlessness to advance so quickly in the Conservative Party against relative heavyweights like Ken Clarke and my opinion of his leadership has increased in the last year: for example during the expenses scandal I remember him giving a speech to the press that should have been coming from a competent PM. The silly -'Go Green 'style PC soundbites have also gone.


I well remember the 'end of era' feel and dreadful sleaze of the Major administration. Change then was needed. But I never got the impression like I do with Brown of a man incapable of making decsions at all (see his current dithering over a TV debate). At least with Blair he stuck to his guns.

Like 1997 with the Tories, Labour now are turning in on themselves and focussing on backslapping at this Conference.

I fully expect the Tories to follow the Blair-era style 'always follow the US route', but I expect it won't be quite as bad as Brown cornering Obama in a kitchen :) I imagine that with a situation like Iraq, they would have put adequate resources into the endeavor and on Afghanistan Liam Fox yesterday announced that Britain could afford to send 2500 more troops to help the effort (where Brown has dithered and denied military requests for more troops etc) If possible I would also like a referendum of Europe and the Tories promise to repeal the HRA sounds sensible (given that law's bizarre effects at times)

[Lazy Lob]

Who the fack does Ian Austin think he is? A sodding "brown" noser who skimps on stamp duty. Where's HMRC?


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W@ankers should all be shipped to Île du Diable.

[timetraveller]

Parliment should be brought to an End for all concerned ...



Sooner the better why should out money go towards convict's [MP ] they who are above the law and still we have not seen one Prosecution of an MP for fraud ..

They only represent themselves and there friends and companies who are willing to give em bung's it's common practice amongst Council's ..

[Stevey1]

The Sun's backing the Tories:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Sun-Newspaper-Tabloid-Ends-Support-For-Labour-Party-And-Backs-Conservatives-For-Next-Election/Article/200909415395407?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15395407_Sun_Newspaper%3A_Tabloid_Ends_Support_For_Labour_Party_And_Backs_Conservatives_For_Next_Election




Is this the 'final nail' in the New Labour coffin?

[nemowork]

Well that was a bit more upbeat than i expected from Brown but still pretty vacuose.

They'll turn back 24 hour drinking? Wasnt that one of theirs?
They'll have a referendum on Parliamentary reform? The reforms that have to be reformed are..erm...theirs?
They'll get rid of hereditary peers and introduce adjusted voting? Thats a weakened version of what they promised in 1997.
They'll protect schools, contradicting Ed Balls who promised cuts from Schools.

And not counting the 'in the news today' stories they trotted out like ASBO's and teenage mothers.

And they are promising the Labour party will change the political system. Have they noticed that Gordie is unpopular, theyre promising their star policy is stating the Labour party screwed things up so if we vote Labour we'll get a NEW New Labour party that will do all the things OLD New Labour should have done over the last decade?

[Stevey1]

They'll turn back 24 hour drinking? Wasnt that one of theirs?
They'll have a referendum on Parliamentary reform? The reforms that have to be reformed are..erm...theirs?
They'll get rid of hereditary peers and introduce adjusted voting? Thats a weakened version of what they promised in 1997.
They'll protect schools, contradicting Ed Balls who promised cuts from Schools.



It was a speech that could have been made before the recession, so little was the need for spending restraint mentioned. How is the 'protection and 'reform' of all frontline services going to be paid for?

Under AV system Labour would have won even larger majorities at the last few elections apparently, so you can see why that was mentioned in the speech :)

[nemowork]

I'm kind of getting the impression Mandy has blown the dust off his 1997 playbook. I'm sure i even caught them playing D-REAM at one point.

I'm getting the impression things are going to get brutal with a lot of personnal attacks. All that Tories frothing at the mouth over slashing budgets and pampered Etonians versus experienced working class blokes catchphrases haven't worked for them at any of the by-elections but it looks like the path they're taking.

[timetraveller]

Labour has always been the wrking mans party so it's been stated ..


The real power of the vote lies with union's if any party can entice the unions wins the election ...

Sad but true

[Lazy Lob]

They'll have a referendum on Parliamentary reform? The reforms that have to be reformed are..erm...theirs

Yes, we've all heard that one before. Labour are really big on referendums. I'm still waiting for the one on Europe.

Parliamentary reform? Ha! That'll be the day. It's still a feeding frenzy with MPs' snouts firmly stuck in the swill trough.

[Stevey1]

I think that Brown came quite close to thumping Adam Boulton today. :)

Ministers seem furious about The Sun. Bit hypocritical given 1997

Mandelson is claiming that Labour have halved the Tory lead according to a daily Yougov poll.

Well, on 21/09 The Tories were on 39% and Labour on 30%. Now the Tories are on 37% and Labour on 30%. A week of Labour headlines has gained them 2% in the polls relative to the Tories (admittedly the Tory lead had stretched to 16 % on 24th: the Tories having had to do nothing to get that far ahead!)

More detailed polls of course have put the Tories in comfortable double-digit leads recently. Still: anyone reckon Labour will bounce back after this week?

[Ssandro]

Labour has always been the wrking mans party so it's been stated ..


The real power of the vote lies with union's if any party can entice the unions wins the election ...

Sad but true
Only in northern england. In the south, the working class are split between labour and conservative. The conservatives, under the influence of randolph churchill and disraeli, learnt how to appeal to a lot of working class ideals, like nationalism and tradition.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I don't think we will see any real change in the polls the Tories will get in with a reasonable margin, Labour cannot correct their f**k ups before June and still look appealing to the voting public. I have not heard much from the CBI on the election their usually getting cosy with whoever might win.

[gazell]

Either the one or the other one. Same difference, it seems to me.

There cannot be much excitement about this. Maybe, fury, frustration and anger.

[Stevey1]

The 'Brown bounce' lasted 24 hours. Latest YouGov: Con: 40%, Lab: 26.

Ominous for Labour given that the Conservatives have yet to have their Conference and appear not to have suffered for two weeks of Lib-Dem and Labour Tory bashing.