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2RHPZ
07-10-2004, 03:46 AM
By Peggy Fletcher Stack and Linda Fantin
The Salt Lake Tribune

Like many other Muslims in the U.S. military, Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun was a citizen of two worlds: the American West and the Islamic East. Throughout the saga of his captivity, the worlds constantly collided.
On Thursday, the U.S. military hinted that Hassoun's capture by Islamic militants may have been staged even as angry neighbors in the Middle East attacked him as a traitor.
"I believe my family is being targeted in Lebanon," said Hassoun's brother, Sami. "We are a very big family, couple thousand. To see a picture of an American Marine -- they don't accept it, they don't understand."
Much like Japanese Americans during World War II, many of the roughly 14,000 self-identified Muslims in the U.S. military face questions about their loyalty to country. Add to that suspicions about their fealty to faith, coming from fellow believers in the Islamic world.
"Muslims have to prove their loyalty again and again," said Iqbal Hossain, president of the Khadeeja Islamic Center in West Valley City. Allegations that Hossain's kidnapping was a hoax "might not have been made had he not been a Muslim."
Not so long ago the U.S. military scarcely recognized the existence of Muslims in their midst, let alone understood their unique challenges.
When Abdul Rashid Abdullah signed up in 1990, he told the recruiter he was a Muslim, but the man didn't know what a Muslim was.
"My dog tags were issued with 'Other' on it, and I had to get them to correct it in case I died," said Abdullah, now communications director for the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veteran Affairs Council in Arlington, Va. Muslims have distinct burial rites -- they don't embalm bodies -- which need to be closely followed.

Now there are more than a dozen Muslim chaplains to help soldiers deal with these issues, said Abdullah, speaking by phone from his office in Hawaii. "But there's still a lot of misperceptions."
Sgt. Sherwin Moshiri, a linguist with the Utah National Guard and a Shiite Muslim, experienced the dual pressures during his year-long military stint in southern Iraq that ended in April.
"After 9-11 a lot of people carried hurts and pain that carried over to people of Middle Eastern descent," said Moshiri, a native of Iran. "I can sense some people are distrustful, that no matter what you do they will never like you."
Moshiri said the commander of the 141st Military Intelligence Battalion ordered the Utah soldiers to be sensitive to their Muslim military comrades, "but there was always someone from another unit who said bad things."
During his stint in Basra, "many of the Iraqi people were openly hostile to American soldiers," Moshiri said. "Every day of their lives they were bombarded with anti-American propaganda. They think of Americans as evil. It takes time to explain, to get them to see that Americans can be trusted, that what we are doing there is a good thing."
Such sentiments may reflect politics more than religion, Abdullah said. The public should "separate what Muslims do because of their faith and what they might do because of a specific culture."
Hassoun's own country, Lebanon, has gone through major political shifts since the revolution of 1990 tipped the balance towards Muslims.
That has produced a growing hostility toward Washington, said former Salt Lake City Mayor Deedee Corradini, who grew up in Lebanon and has visited within the last three months.
"The Lebanese have always loved America, loved American music, wanted their kids to receive an American education," said Corradini, who is on the board of directors of that nation's only U.S. secondary school, American Community School. "But they don't like the American foreign policy, which is perceived as being pro-Israel."
Anyone in the military, she said, "represents the American government."
Many foreign-born soldiers, not just Muslims, face a similar distrust.
Shahram, a sergeant in the U.S. Army who returned from Iraq in early May, fled his native Iran when he was 21.
Six months later, in March 1999, he joined the Army Reserves to help pay for college. He asked that only his first name be used because he fears reprisal for his parents, who still live in Tehran.
"To their eyes, I'm a traitor," says Shahram, a Christian, of his former countrymen. "They say, 'Why do you come back here and shoot at your brothers?"
But these soldiers can also provide unofficial diplomacy, helping Americans to understand the Islamic world.
When Shahram joined up he couldn't speak any English and his boot camp buddies automatically assumed he was Muslim. Many later admitted they "wanted to kill" him, he said.
"Most soldiers don't know Iraq from Iran from Kuwait," he said. "But once they got to know me, we became really close friends. Now I love these guys and they love me, and they make sure I get the proper respect. Now, if anyone looks at me with suspicion, my guys would tear them apart."
Now, he says, any insults are made in jest. "You put a bunch of guys in the same sweaty tent for a year and they have to joke around to survive," he said. "So they'll say, 'You freaking Iraqi Muslim' and I'll say, 'You American satans' and there's no offense taken."
Shahram speaks some Arabic and is familiar with Muslim mores. His comrades came to rely on his advice -- "Don't look at their daughters" -- and his judgment. "I was the one person in my platoon who could look at a civilian, the way he looks, acts or dresses, and tell if he is anti-American," Shahram says. "But to [American-born soldiers] they all look the same."
Reaz Ahmed Chaudhuri, a Muslim who teaches in the engineering department at the University of Utah, has never been treated differently while working for years on American military bases and with weapons research.
"People don't question my loyalty," Chaudhuri said.
He moved to the United States in the 1970s, married, raised two sons and became a U.S. citizen. He resents any suggestion that he would abandon his country on behalf of his Muslim faith.
"Although I was born in India and still have brothers and sisters there, in practicality, I am tied to the U.S.," he said, "If the U.S. goes down, I will go down with it."

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Flagg
07-10-2004, 04:04 AM
Unfortunate.......

Barriers to entry and service for Muslims(as well as those of every other cultural background) should be eliminated(assuming it really is a problem).

Folks with intuitive foreign language and cultural skills can likely be integrated into service faster and cheaper than a "blank slate".

And I would suspect some of the most pressing needs include security vetted pers with Middle Eastern/Asian language/cultural skills.

The reference to WWII and Americans of japanese ancestry is a valid one.....reference should have also been made of the historical contributions made by new Americans in the past, like the 442nd Regimental Combat Team.

seruriermarshal
07-10-2004, 06:18 AM
I think Iraq government must assign the religious official, is responsible for
the Iraq religious .

Commander Cool
07-10-2004, 11:23 AM
I feel bad for muslims in the American military who really do want to serve their country, but the fact remains there are also muslims who join the military only to get military training with the intention of using that knowledge against the US later. It's too bad we have no way to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones.

One?
07-10-2004, 11:35 AM
I feel bad for muslims in the American military who really do want to serve their country, but the fact remains there are also muslims who join the military only to get military training with the intention of using that knowledge against the US later. It's too bad we have no way to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones.


anyone who joins the army could turn out to be a spy. Just becuse he is muslim doesnt make a difference. Look at the history of spies. How many of them were muslims?

How many muslims Marines, firefighters, cops etc... gave their life in the line of duty?

Milkman
07-10-2004, 01:49 PM
I feel bad for muslims in the American military who really do want to serve their country, but the fact remains there are also muslims who join the military only to get military training with the intention of using that knowledge against the US later. It's too bad we have no way to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones.


anyone who joins the army could turn out to be a spy. Just becuse he is muslim doesnt make a difference. Look at the history of spies. How many of them were muslims?

How many muslims Marines, firefighters, cops etc... gave their life in the line of duty?Muslim extremists were not always our arch enemy, so spies and traitors of Muslim faith are a new occurence. When the Soviet Union was our arch enemy we had Soviet spies, now instead we have Muslim spies. I am not denying that anyone else could be a spy or traitor, but look at the events in Iraq. I remember last year during the invasion a Muslim-American soldier threw grenades into his comrade's tents.

Wakizashi
07-10-2004, 01:51 PM
As im sure many of you guys in uniform agree with me when I say that i have had the pleasure to work with dozens of capable, patriotic and intelligent muslims who also wear my country's uniform.

Commander Cool
07-10-2004, 02:23 PM
You guys are missing the point. No one is denying that there are some muslims in the US military (and not to mention police forces, firefighters, etc) who have no malicious intent and only want to serve their country and are doing a great job. However, the fact that such people exist does not negate the fact that there are also those who join for the sole purpose of figuring out some way to take advantage and use it against our own security. And although the US has had many different types of enemies and muslims weren't always high on the list, muslims are our biggest threat at this time.

ShadowNeo
07-10-2004, 02:40 PM
You guys are missing the point. No one is denying that there are some muslims in the US military (and not to mention police forces, firefighters, etc) who have no malicious intent and only want to serve their country and are doing a great job. However, the fact that such people exist does not negate the fact that there are also those who join for the sole purpose of figuring out some way to take advantage and use it against our own security. And although the US has had many different types of enemies and muslims weren't always high on the list, muslims are our biggest threat at this time.

And further prejudicing Muslims in your country is going to help, how exactly?

Commander Cool
07-10-2004, 02:54 PM
Who is advocating prejudicing, wiseguy? I was just pointing out a fact.

ShadowNeo
07-10-2004, 04:40 PM
Who is advocating prejudicing, wiseguy?

Your statement "Muslims are our biggest threat at this time" is quite prejudiced, is it not? Branding the majority of law abiding muslims with the same stick as those who commit the crimes we see?

You seem to be another person who has blurred the line with extremists and law-abiding majority.

Commander Cool
07-10-2004, 04:52 PM
So you're saying that muslim terrorists AREN'T the biggest threat to US security at this particular time? Then who is? The Russians? The Serbs? The Argentinians? Most muslims are law abiding people and it's unfortunate that they have to go through this, but the fact remains that most terrorists are muslims and therefore our effectiveness at stopping terrorism will increase if we profile all muslims. And the security of our country is much more important than worrying about hurting the feelings of a few people for being profiled.

ShadowNeo
07-10-2004, 05:09 PM
So you're saying that muslim terrorists AREN'T the biggest threat to US security at this particular time?

You didn't say Muslim Terrorists. You said Muslims. There is a difference, or can you not see this?


but the fact remains that most terrorists are muslims

Are you so sure of this? Just because they are getting the most air time on the news, does not mean that most terrorists happen to be extremist Muslims.


therefore our effectiveness at stopping terrorism will increase if we profile all muslims.

So, by profiling all Muslims, effectively somewhat "alienating" them from your society, looking at them with suspiscion isn't going to alter their feelings towards the US? Of course, they won't feel any hatred for being trated this way, will they? :roll: .


And the security of our country is much more important than worrying about hurting the feelings of a few people for being profiled.

So, all Muslims eligible for service in the military = a few people? The US Muslim population is that small is it?

Ratamacue
07-10-2004, 05:15 PM
Racial and religious profiling accomplishes nothing other than showing us we have yet to learn from history.

Commander Cool
07-10-2004, 06:27 PM
I don't know if you people are trying to overcompensate for some secret racist feelings or what, but please spare me your politically correct BS.

Profiling is an effective way to prevent crime. If you know that a person belonging to a specific race, religion, or any other attribute is more likely to commit a particular crime than someone who doesn't have that attribute, then you should take advantage of that knowledge.

For example, a 20 year old man will pay much higher car insurance rates than a 60 year old woman. Is this unfair to a 20 year old man who is a good driver and has never had an accident? Of course it's unfair, it's age discrimination and gender discrimination. But that is the sacrifice he has to make because on average 20 year old guys get in more accidents than 60 year old women.

Profiling works. They do it at airport security, they do it at customs, they do it lots of places.

Tane Angle
07-10-2004, 06:41 PM
For what it's worth, infiltrators are probably more likely to say that they are some form of Christianity than Islamic. They're also probably more likely to use someone who doesn't look Arab. Profiling has it's places, but there are quite a lot of times when profiling didn't help much. The Israelis profile at their airports, but then, of course, it's the Japanese who come in to attack.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts....

ShadowNeo
07-10-2004, 06:43 PM
Profiling is an effective way to prevent crime. If you know that a person belonging to a specific race, religion, or any other attribute is more likely to commit a particular crime than someone who doesn't have that attribute, then you should take advantage of that knowledge.

The outcome of which is thus:

Police overly discriminate towards group A as to being criminals rather than groups B and C.

Over time group A gains more and more resentment towards the Police, breeding more crime, and creating a vicious cycle.

This could be put into context as:

Muslims looking to enter US Military/Government service are overly discriminated towards as opposed to everyone else.

Muslims feel increasingly alienated from society, extremists are able to take a stronger foothold within Muslim communities, more extremists and resentment is bred.

Do you not see this as the obvious outcome?