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10-01-2009, 02:41 PM
The Greatest Afghan War

By Michael Yon

The Greatest Afghanistan War has deteriorated so noticeably that one can now feel the enemy's growing pulse. Each month it beats steadier, stronger, and in 2010 it will finally be born.

On Sept. 11 in Kandahar, a South African civilian working without security was visibly upset - not at the Taliban but at the police. The 16-year police veteran recounted seeing Afghan police speeding through crowded streets and hitting a bicycle. The rider gymnastically avoided impact while the bicycle was tossed down the road.

The South African, with whom I spent a week in Helmand and Kandahar provinces, said the police never slowed down. "That's part of the reason the Taliban are gaining ground," he said. "The police are out there recruiting Taliban."

I have searched for answers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Along with the more strategic questions (for example, should war be pursued?) are those closer to the shop floor: Are we gaining or losing popular support? Is the enemy gaining or losing strength? Is the coalition gaining or losing strength?

The first answer is a common denominator for the rest.

We are losing popular support. Confidence in the Afghan and coalition governments is plummeting. Loss of human terrain is evident. Conditions are building for an avalanche. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the military commander in Afghanistan, and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates are aware of the rumbling, and so today we are bound by rules of engagement that appear insensible.

We must curb civilian losses at expense to ourselves. I believe the reasoning is sound and will share those increased dangers. Erosion of popular support seems reversible. There still is considerable good will from the Afghan population, but bomb by bomb we can blow it. We have breathing room if we work with wise alacrity. I sense a favorable shift in our operations occurring under Gen. McChrystal.

Enemies are strengthening. Attacks are dramatically increasing in frequency and efficacy. We are being out-governed by tribes and historical social structures. These structures are - and will be for the foreseeable future - the most powerful influence upon and within the political terrain.

"Democracy" does not grow on land where most people don't vote. The most remarkable item I saw during the Aug. 20 elections was the machine-gun ambush we walked into.

The coalition is weakening. While the U.S. has gotten serious, the organism called NATO is a jellyfish for which the United States is both sea and prevailing wind. The disappointing effort from many partners is best exemplified by the partners who are pushing hardest: The British are fine examples.

The British landed in Helmand province after someone apparently vouched that Helmand would be safe, and they believed it. Helmand is today the most dangerous province in Afghanistan.

British combat tours are arduous and the troops suffer in countless ways. The soldiers sweat and freeze in the desert filth; British rations are terrible; mail can be weeks late; and they fight constantly. Troops endure high casualties yet they keep fighting. These things are true. Some say the British "lost Helmand," but this is not true. Helmand was a mess before they arrived. British soldiers are strong but their government is pitiful, leading to an average effort in Afghanistan.

Example: The British serve six-month tours, minus two weeks' leave. Travel is not deducted from leave. Troops are so few at Forward Operating Base Inkerman that missions are planned around leave schedules. For leave, a soldier at Inkerman must helicopter to Camp Bastion (the main British military base in Afghanistan) to jet home.

Helicopters are scarce, making flight schedules erratic. As leave approaches, soldiers stop doing missions and wait for a helicopter. The waiting can last a week or more. Then they get home, take two weeks' leave, then transport back to Bastion, where the soldier waits to helicopter back to Inkerman.

When I departed Bastion last month, some soldiers waited three weeks to helicopter back to Inkerman, and were still waiting. That's six to seven lost weeks for a soldier on a six-month tour. After other distractions, British soldiers might net three months of focused work. There is zero time to conduct counterinsurgency, and besides, the British military, despite its war-fighting ability, is not good at counterinsurgency. Without change, London likely will be defeated in Helmand within roughly two years, which brings us to the fall of 2011.

Germans had deployed to one of the safest areas in Afghanistan yet today they are staggered by Taliban punches. Berlin is brittle and apt to quit. Smart money says the Germans crumble from any significant role by 2011.

Canadians will quit in 2011. Canadian soldiers have earned respect, but their NATO-partner government has empowered our enemies by quitting at a crucial moment. This likely will be remembered consciously and subconsciously in future dealings with Ottawa.

Other fine partners, such as the Dutch, who have fought well, plan to downsize right when we need them most. The Dutch need to stay in this fight and increase their efforts. We need them.

The key partner in redirecting Afghanistan should be the Afghan government. Yet Afghan President Hamid Karzai's corrupt narcocracy is widely disrespected by Afghans and increasingly combative with the coalition. We are pouring support into a government that we don't want, and many Afghans resent.

On Aug. 26, I was in Helmand with the British when a bomb exploded in Kandahar, killing at least 41 people and blowing out windows in the room I later rented to write this account. There were bombs and attacks on a daily basis in Kandahar but I only watch from the roof as Afghans kill Afghans. Potential for civil war is great.

In this unprecedented moment, dozens of the world's most notable nations have focused on helping one land, yet Western sympathies for Afghanistan already have peaked.

While an Afghan avalanche is poised, our thoughts are growing cold. This is it. Either we will begin to show progress by the end of 2010 or, piece by piece, the coalition will cleave off and drift away, meaning 2011 will begin the end to significant involvement in Afghanistan.

Michael Yon is a writer and former Green Beret who has spent more time in Iraq and Afghanistan with U.S. and British combat forces than any other journalist.

Source: (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/01/yon-the-greatest-afghan-war/)

Roy Batty
10-01-2009, 03:59 PM
Canadians will quit in 2011. Canadian soldiers have earned respect, but their NATO-partner government has empowered our enemies by quitting at a crucial moment. This likely will be remembered consciously and subconsciously in future dealings with Ottawa.


The battle group will be pulled in 2011 but there will still be a major Canadian presence in Kandahar province........................add to that the fact that we cried bloody murder for support and help while we held that sh1thole of a province for year after year with only 2000 odd troops while dying on a weekly basis..........oh and the fact that we were the first ones in the door with the Americans in 2001/2002 and humped the Whale's Back right beside them out of friendship and brotherhood............. Micheal Yon can kiss my fuzzy Polar ass....Prick.

ATA
10-01-2009, 04:04 PM
I have to agree- sounds/reads a bit of populistic fact twisting...

big_les
10-01-2009, 04:25 PM
Yon is veering off the reservation of late after managing to p1ss off UK Media Ops, amongst others (though no doubt he had legitimate complaints). He needs to regain his focus, which he won't do until he can get himself re-embedded.

ATA
10-01-2009, 04:34 PM
We should recommend couple weeks of holidays (@ least) for him!

SBL
10-01-2009, 04:36 PM
It seems to me he's criticizing the government's decision rather than the troops...

Pete031
10-01-2009, 04:38 PM
This guy is an idiot.
He talks about countries turning their backs right when the US needs them the most.
Well for the past 3 years we have been screaming the same for more troops in RC South.
In fact, 2 years ago the Canadian government laid it on the line saying that unless we get more troops there we would have to leave. Well we didn't until right now. So we have to leave.
And this is just the Battle Group.
This "journalist" should realise that this war has been the priority for many countries for many years.

brainplay
10-01-2009, 05:44 PM
It seems to me he's criticizing the government's decision rather than the troops...

X2

Hit it on the head there. Canadians need to step back and re-read the post. He gave straight props to the military itself.

Roy Batty
10-01-2009, 05:53 PM
I dont care what "props he gave my brothers and I. I work for the government, I take orders from the government, I support my government.............He took a hack at some of the US's closest allies...he's a tool....full stop

Johnny_H02
10-01-2009, 05:59 PM
I'm in agreement with Sig here, I don't know why some US Journalists think its okay to take shots at their allies. Michael Yon should take a good hard look through the Roll of Honour from the Afghanistan Mission before opening up his cake hole about whos quitting and whos still got fight left in them.

I'm not in the CF and I have no idea what its like to put my ass on the line, so I cannot empathize however I do know what its like to walk to work everyday and see flags at half mast pretty much consistently once a week for the last three years or to see fresh flowers placed at the war memorial by passers by in honour of those who aren't coming home.

So it does piss me off when Yon or Fox News has mud to sling when they haven't even gone as far as to look beyond their own backyard when they level their criticisms or worse scathing piss take remarks (in the case of Faux News channel).

Pete031
10-01-2009, 06:30 PM
X2

Hit it on the head there. Canadians need to step back and re-read the post. He gave straight props to the military itself.


Really..... Thanks tips.

I think we have already read the post, and I take exception to him saying anything about the Canadian Government.
As was stated earlier, the Government of Canada has been asking for support down there for years now. And we didn't get any till about 3 months ago.

Rossdobby
10-01-2009, 06:39 PM
Hes 100% right though the coalition troops on the ground are doing an amazing job. Its the policy makers from almost all the countries that are ****ing this mission up. British and Canadian troops would be alot more effective if we had better air-lift capabilities but both our governments decided this was a waste of money resulting in more canadian and british deaths. Which results with less support from the home populations.

He is right this is the end game if we we fail now its over for good. We need to double the number of coalition forces in the country for atleast one year we also need a more afghan friendly policy. We also need to concentrate on getting the ANA and ANP on there own feet we need better recruiting standards as well.

Education is the key to winning this war

Pete031
10-01-2009, 07:01 PM
The fact is, we need to take a break. And get our kit and vehicles sorted out.
Should PRT stay? Yes
Should OMLT stay? Yes
Should CANSOF stay? Yes
Will they, I would bet on it.

But the battle group needs to regroup and get their vehicles sorted out.
M113's are not the best back up plan.

Rossdobby
10-01-2009, 07:04 PM
So like you mean everyone leaves for a few months the talibal retake control and when they think they have won we hitting 10x harder and faster?

Pete031
10-01-2009, 07:10 PM
No, not at all. Losing ground is always bad. But we are talking about 800 troops outside the wire on the ground.... thats about it.
Another country has to be brought in for a year or two until we are good to go again.

Rossdobby
10-01-2009, 07:22 PM
Oh i see so were basically just pulling out all or combative soldiers and leaving just enough to hold it down and assist other nato military forces in the region?

Usually i would disagree with that startegy but knowing Canada's military plights i see why. Im thinking maybe in the next years we could grow our military force to like 100,000 that way we could have around 6000 soldiers on the ground at all times but yah i see how having 3000 soldiers there at a time with a military of only 60,000 or so regular forces is stressfull on the military though I must say there doing a damn finejob.

Pete031
10-01-2009, 07:26 PM
We have been trying to grow our military. You can't just magician that crap.

And no, I am not sure what is going to happen, I am just stating what I assume will happen.

Roy Batty
10-01-2009, 07:29 PM
We have never had 3000 troops on the ground in Afghanistan and 100,000 CF is unlikely to ever happen.

Scythian
10-01-2009, 07:30 PM
So the ISAF/NATO forces will begin a gradual withdrawal?

Roy Batty
10-01-2009, 07:36 PM
So the ISAF/NATO forces will begin a gradual withdrawal?

I dont think that's what you should be hearing. Canada has always said that their end game is a strong and trianed ANA and ANP. To that end I doubt you will see the Canadian OMLT pulling the plug anytime soon......but thats just an opinion.

Macs.
10-01-2009, 07:41 PM
Michael Yon has written such texts before.

I don't blame him for not going into details with other countries that are deployed in Afghanistan, but he shouldn't make such comments about them either. It simply lacks details and doesn't help. He doesn't really seem to know in what situations those countries are in.

Rossdobby
10-01-2009, 07:42 PM
Why is having a force of 100,000 so unrealistic? We are in a recession Im sure there is 40,000 or so untrained unskilled unemployed 18 year olds that need a job. I know Im one of em but I can't join the military because of sight problems. I really don't see why its so hard we just don't present our military to the public in the right way.

I'm pretty sure that canada had like 2600 soldiers + support staff at one point (2007) I may be wrong but it was like 3100 personnel in total.

Roy Batty
10-01-2009, 07:44 PM
We have been recruiting like mad for years and still dont have more than 66000..........

Rossdobby
10-01-2009, 07:52 PM
We need to concentrate on the kids in the poor areas + natives. This may sound bad but I believe that the natives have always been a warrior people and have struggled to find there niche in our society. So why not let them do what there ancestors did? get them off the street and less problems overall for almost every corner of Canada.

budgie
10-01-2009, 07:52 PM
The key partner in redirecting Afghanistan should be the Afghan government. Yet Afghan President Hamid Karzai's corrupt narcocracy is widely disrespected by Afghans and increasingly combative with the coalition. We are pouring support into a government that we don't want, and many Afghans resent.

He can say all he wants about Canada "empowering the enemy", but this right here is the real problem. There won't be any military solution while the politics are morally bankrupt.

afreu
10-06-2009, 07:54 AM
Yon makes some accurate points in his article. That Nato may retreat from Afghanistan within the forseeable future (within the next 10 years), without achieving its objectives isn't such an unrealistic possibility.

Michael Yon can only be one opinion to base one's judgement about the Afghanistan war on. But his assessment is probably more accurate than the statements of most CF's press offices. With them there's always politics involved.

Mike1976
10-08-2009, 08:40 PM
Other fine partners, such as the Dutch, who have fought well, plan to downsize right when we need them most. The Dutch need to stay in this fight and increase their efforts. We need them.

The lack of knowledge in this bit pretty much summed up the entire article for me.

There is no way we could send in more troops. The current troop level (1700-2000 depending on troop rotations and special events) is breaking the back of the armed forces (a company from the Army was recently replaced with one from the Marines in the latest rotation because the Army units have all been deployed too often). We have to sell heavy equipment every year to pay for the mission, which the Ministry of Defense doesn't get any additional budget for that I'm aware of. We don't have the manpower to sustain even the current deployment, and realistically speaking we never could to begin with. Around 7-800 troops would have been more realistic. That kind of (re-)deployment is now unlikely though, as our short-sighted politicians have had enough of the whole affair.

The complete Dutch presence in Uruzghan is intended to be replaced by an ANA brigade (along with an ISAF nation no doubt). They've been saying that it will arrive soon for at least 2 years, and units intended to make up this "brigade" are constantly being deployed everywhere besides Uruzghan. If that's an attempt to sucker us into staying, the province is in trouble, as only the prime-minister' own party still supports staying there, and he's rather unpopular right now due to a wide range of issues.

As for the country replacing the Dutch as "lead nation" in Uruzghan, if the US or UK don't take over, or unless they can sucker in a new NATO member or a country looking for NATO membership, I don't see anyone that can and wants to.