China: Developments + Opinions! (Constantly Updated)

[Shuimo]

Link or source??? Do not make a statement when you cannot back the same with an independent source or link. Either retract the statement or say that it was your individual opinion. Do you understand??

All Indians are individuals and have the fundamental right to form their own opinions and voice them where-ever and when-ever they want without the fear of Government retribution. I speak for myself and all my statements can be backed by independent sources and links unlike you.

That is laughable when someone from India disputes the land of South Tibet?

Admitting you invaded South Tibet and occupied the land by naming it as Arunachal Pradesh state is difficult for a**holes like you, isn't it?

[Ordie]

Admitting you invaded South Tibet and occupied the land by naming it as Arunachal Pradesh state is difficult for a**holes like you, isn't it?

I don't think that is the case.

India, Pakistan, Burma, Laos and Vietnam inherited the boundaries set up by thier former colonial masters.

It happened during the Qing Dynasty through a period of unequal treaties.

This border dispute is more of a consequence of history and current events converging.

Oddly enough I don't see the same level of Chinese angst towards the indpendent Republic of Mongolia or border issues with Burma.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.jpg

[Sapporo]

Chinese and American netizens clash in cyberspace

A recent and very well-received speech by Kaiser Kuo at the University of Nebraska - Lincoln on Sino-American relations and the Internet.

http://www.danwei.org/internet_culture/chinese_and_american_netizens.php

Quite an interesting video.

[Ordie]

http://www.danwei.org/internet_culture/chinese_and_american_netizens.php

Quite an interesting video.

LOL

What I find interesting is that over time both Chinese posters and Western posters become more accustomed towards each other on MP.net.

No one has given up on thier line of thinking, but are responding in a more rational manner.

[Ordie]

China 'black jails' shield leaders from complaints

By ALEXA OLESEN, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
(11-11) 21:01 PST BEIJING, China (AP) --
Kidnapping people on their way to lodge complaints with China's central government has evolved into a lucrative cottage industry that mainland police refuse to acknowledge or crack down on, a human rights group said Thursday.
The report by New York-based Human Rights Watch on China's "black jails" is based mainly on interviews with 38 people who said they were nabbed by thugs while trying to bring grievances to the central government. They reported being held for days or months in makeshift detention centers, deprived of food and sleep, beaten and threatened. Police allegedly aided the captors or refused to intervene in several cases, it said.
China's Ministry of Public Security refused to look at the 53-page online report in English and requested a summary in Chinese. In response to a summary prepared by The Associated Press, a spokeswoman said the ministry was not responsible for any alleged violations and could not verify black jails exist in China. She refused to give her name in line with ministry policy.
Black jails emerged in China about six years ago after police were barred from randomly detaining vagrants. The jails, usually makeshift lockups in hostels, apartment buildings, or abandoned factories, have been well-documented by human rights groups, lawyers, and the international media.
The HRW report sheds new light on the economics of the jails and why they evade crackdowns despite violating Chinese and international law.
It blames a civil service evaluation system that uses a point system to penalize officials if too many people from their jurisdiction complain to the central government and rewards those who are able to minimize grievances. Because bonuses and promotions are linked to evaluations, it's become economical for officials to pay people to intercept, detain and intimidate petitioners, it said.
The report cites an alleged internal government directive given to authorities in Shimen, a county in south China's Hunan province, in 2007 that says officials get two points if they bring petitioners back from Beijing or the provincial capital of Changsha while those who fail to do so are to have half a point deducted.
Officials typically pay black jails between 150 yuan ($22) to 300 yuan ($44) per day to hold petitioners until they can be picked up and returned home, it said, and estimated that Beijing's black jails detain up to 10,000 people per year, though that number includes some people who are detained on multiple occasions.
Police in Beijing and other cities are aware of the jails but ignore them because they keep potentially troublesome petitioners away from cities, Human Rights Watch said. In some cases, police have also "directly assisted black jail operators," it said.
"It's completely illegal but the national authorities have done nothing to stop it so far," said Andrew Nathan, an expert on Chinese human rights issues who was not involved with the report.
"At the same time, though, this informal system cuts against the ability of the central authorities to learn about what's going wrong at the local level," he said. "In the long run it would be smarter for Beijing to let the petitioners exercise what are after all their legal rights."

Source:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/11/international/i210127S51.DTL&type=printable

[magantosh]

why shuimo was banned? becuse of the fight against A-San? :-(
WTF

[hulaku]

becuse of the fight against A-San? :-(
WTF

Whats A-San?

[plato]

Whats A-San?

A highly offensive term for an Indian person in Chinese. Just like "Chink" is a highly offensive term for a Chinese person in English.

[hulaku]

A highly offensive term for an Indian person in Chinese. Just like "Chink" is a highly offensive term for a Chinese person in English.

Just what I thought.:)

Thanks.

PS: Just got this from Wiki

(Yìndù ā sān) - Ethnic slur against Indians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India). "A" is a vocative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative), and "san" is three, so "a san" means the third son or third child in a family. So Indians are assigned third-class status by this location.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_Chinese_profanity

Thank you Comrade Magantosh.:)

[TheMiddlePath]

Begining of a North East Asian Alliance ?

http://i35.tinypic.com/2lw3m2g.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/15n26qd.jpg

[Ordie]

Begining of a North East Asian Alliance ?

http://i35.tinypic.com/2lw3m2g.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/15n26qd.jpg

Does this mean Chinese soldiers will sacrifice thier lives for the Japanese?

[Blue P]

Does this mean Chinese soldiers will sacrifice thier lives for the Japanese?

if he is ordered to do so.

[Smiling_Wolf]

Does this mean Chinese soldiers will sacrifice thier lives for the Japanese?

Even better - could it mean that they would all bleed for one another?

Prejudice between the countries is probably more of a domestic thing. Politically it's the complete opposite.

[TheMiddlePath]

Does this mean Chinese soldiers will sacrifice thier lives for the Japanese?

Economic alliance. Not military.

North East Asian has alot in common. Same source of wriiten language, same religion, similar culture and yes Ordie, the same thin skin.

[Ordie]

Economic alliance. Not military.

North East Asian has alot in common. Same source of wriiten language, same religion, similar culture and yes Ordie, the same thin skin.

I don't know about religion.

The Koreans are just as bit as Pentacostal Christians as the Bible Belt of the United States.

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

China wants content, values censored in online games

Editor's Note: Coming soon...Grand Theft Auto: Beijing

(*******)

China said it will tighten regulations in its rapidly growing online games sector, requiring game operators to enhance socialist values in their games and hire specialized staff to monitor content.

China's Ministry of Culture said in a circular that game operators must re-examine their game offerings for obscene and violent content and limit the number of virtual marriages and player-versus-player combat.

The changes will affect companies such as Shanda Games, NetEase.com and Tencent Holdings.

"Over this year, China's online game industry has grown at a rapid pace," the ministry said in a statement late on Wednesday.

"But the current product offerings are not up to standard and the cultural content is lowbrow and having a negative effect on the healthy development of the industry," it said.

NetEase's Chief Executive Officer William Ding said in an earnings call on Thursday he was not aware of the full details of the circular, but that the firm is willing to comply.

China's online game industry is expected to grow by between 30 percent and 50 percent this year, with a sales revenue of 24 billion yuan to 27 billion yuan ($3.5 billion-$4 billion). It has more than 50 million gamers.

China has been stepping up oversight of the industry. Earlier this month, another regulator ordered NetEase.com to stop operating World of Warcraft, due to "gross violations" of regulations.

Link (http://www.ecnmag.com/news-China-values-content-censorship-111909.aspx?menuid=0)

[Smiling_Wolf]

Another ugly byproduct of China's capitalistic obsessions, child kidnapping has become a lucrative business. But the local and provincial governments at large refuse to clamp down on it, targeting bereaved families instead.

Why am I not surprised?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhEtYhS1gJM

[Ordie]

Another ugly byproduct of China's capitalistic obsessions, child kidnapping has become a lucrative business. But the local and provincial governments at large refuse to clamp down on it, targeting bereaved families instead.

Why am I not surprised?

Because it reflects badly on Local Communist Party Bosses who seek promotion and favors from above.

It's stuff like this that discredits the Communist Party of its legitimacy to govern China.

[hskywalker]

Because it reflects badly on Local Communist Party Bosses who seek promotion and favors from above.

It's stuff like this that discredits the Communist Party of its legitimacy to govern China.
You really won't miss any chance blaming chinese government illegitimate, no matter it's a bad apple or a typhoon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_%28film%29#Historical_context

[Ordie]

You really won't miss any chance blaming chinese government illegitimate, no matter it's a bad apple or a typhoon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_%28film%29#Historical_context

When was the last time the Communist Party participated and won in free elections?

[Smiling_Wolf]

You really won't miss any chance blaming chinese government illegitimate, no matter it's a bad apple or a typhoon.

"One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

For most ordinary people the local officials are direct representatives of the central government. If the corrupt ones (whether they are a few or not) go unpunished and are allowed free reign, then what does that say of those at the very top? How could you trust them if you can't trust the people they've put in charge of your very neighbourhood?

And do you think it's wrong for these families to ask the government for help? Or be allowed to look for their own children? Ironically, their beloved government sure thinks so.

[hskywalker]

"One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

For most ordinary people the local officials are direct representatives of the central government. If the corrupt ones (whether they are a few or not) go unpunished and are allowed free reign, then what does that say of those at the very top? How could you trust them if you can't trust the people they've put in charge of your very neighbourhood?

And do you think it's wrong for these families to ask the government for help? Or be allowed to look for their own children? Ironically, their beloved government sure thinks so.
Parents should blame themselves first when children are kidnapped. Government can't fix everything. It's very difficult to track children kidnappers.

One bad official doesn't proove the whole government are evil. I have encountered countless mean chinese, does that spoils the whole barrel?( I actually have very low expectation for both the people and government, but I am a bit radical...) Every people get the government they deserve, don't dream about things suddenly turn sunny and shinny when the CCP is gone.

I agree with what Hu Shi says ：“Spend more time solving problems, talk less about ***ism. Talk all day about ***ism, you end up the tool of some shameless politicians." That article is from 1918, but fits today quite well.

[hulaku]

Parents should blame themselves first when children are kidnapped. Government can't fix everything. It's very difficult to track children kidnappers.
You dont really mean this, do you?

[Smiling_Wolf]

Parents should blame themselves first when children are kidnapped. Government can't fix everything. It's very difficult to track children kidnappers.

Did you even see the video I posted? Some parents even showed uncensored security footage of the kidnappers faces, but the police won't even look at it. Doesn't that seem odd to you?

Whatever neglect the parents are guilty of, that's still no reason for the police or local governments to arrest them when they ask them for their help, or launch their own investigations when the police won't do their jobs.


One bad official doesn't proove the whole government are evil.
...
...
One?

I'm assuming you're not counting the ones who haven't been caught yet. Or the ones that thousands of people go to Beijing to complain about, yet the news doesn't want to mention.


I have encountered countless mean chinese, does that spoils the whole barrel?

It could, if there are very (and I mean very) few exceptions of nice, decent people.


Every people get the government they deserve, don't dream about things suddenly turn sunny and shinny when the CCP is gone.

Um... did the people elect this said government? From what I remember, it was a bloody civil war that brought them to power, not an open ballot.

And if the CCP wants to stick around, it has to be held accountable for its mistakes, past and present, and show that it is willing to stand up to and respond well to criticism, like any other mature government. It'll be a start, at least, for a better tomorrow if they can do these things.


I agree with what Hu Shi says ：“Spend more time solving problems, talk less about ***ism. Talk all day about ***ism, you end up the tool of some shameless politicians." That article is from 1918, but fits today quite well.

It would be, if said problems were being solved.

For example - ever tried to breathe the air outside your window?

P.S.: maybe you can clarify the quote a little better too, for some better understanding (such as what the "***" is before "ism".

[hskywalker]

I can't watch youtube, so sorry for the misunderstanding.p-) I have just relocated and my proxy programs are in my laptop, which have network connection problems. Still unemployed so haven't bothered to fix it.:oops:

The phrase I quotes is :"多研究些问题，少谈些主义。" Can't find a english translation, I presume you to be a chinese... The original article is here : http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/Content/no01/1/286828.shtml Written in 1919, fits perfectly for today's situation.

I don't head into hotted debates, nor am I really a lover of CCP. What I am saying is : Blaming CCP for everything and sing songs for "democracy, liberty" is the easiest and worst solution to China's problems.

[TheMiddlePath]

You really won't miss any chance blaming chinese government illegitimate, no matter it's a bad apple or a typhoon.



Ordie is competing with Hulaku for the 1st spot.

[TheMiddlePath]

"One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

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But one sparrow does not mean it is spring !

[hulaku]

Ordie is competing with Hulaku for the 1st spot.

Ordie is number 1 by far. I'm just trying to learn from him.

And thanks for considering me at least a contender for the number 1 spot.

May the Politburo shower you with gold and richesp-)

[Ordie]

But one sparrow does not mean it is spring !

It means lunch!!!!.

http://www.andrewzimmern.com/files/images/Yummy%20sparrows.JPG