Are you circumcised?

[Jack Mehoff]

I know i am

[Shake n Bake]

no.. I wasn't born in America

[kinghk]

No I'm not, and no way that it is going to happen either.

[G1]

I am not mutilated, thank God.

[Fargin]

Why would you cut something of your pee-pee?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Nope.

[Cactuar]

Yup.

[scm77]

Uh huh. I'm not even Jewish. ;)

[ChuckThunder]

I am.

[n.ignomo]

Yes, for medical reasons.

[ZeroPositive]

yupe common pratice in HK...

[Operation Ivy]

yup

[Vance]

Jack, are you becoming Seoul Jr.? :lol:



Oh, and yes. It's much healthier.

[American Patriot]

Chicks can be circumsized also

[Seoulstriker]

LOL. I made a thread like this 9 months ago.

[Falco]

I am for medical reasons too

[Fintin]

yep


my roommate at school didnt know...

[Colt45]

dude i got it done when i was born, besides chix dont like the extra skin ;)
it gives it a wierd ass look, like a snail coming out of its shell :lol:

[Dalleer]

No I am not. And I can't really complain either...

[Fargin]

I removed my eyelids for medical reasons.

[Romulus]

Yep I am, but my son isn't. Have to wait till he is one now since we skipped it after he was born.

[Jack Mehoff]

Hey, all the male **** stars circumcised. :lol: Anyway, I only know very few guys who are not circumcised.

[American Patriot]

Not in Euro****.

[Romulus]

Hey, all the male **** stars circumcised

Yep. Even the european ones.

[bishop1]

Nopers

[Jack Mehoff]

How the hell you uncircumcised folks keep your ***** clean?

[Herrmannek]

medical reasons :cantbeli: , next way to grab so money from "dumb" parents...

[American Patriot]

Wash it with water and soap.

[Ratamacue]

I am. There are very few men born in the US who are uncircumcized.

[Jack Mehoff]

Hey, all the male **** stars circumcised

Yep. Even the european ones.

In conclusion, circumcised > uncircumised

[bishop1]

Thats why were special

[Herrmannek]

Hey, all the male **** stars circumcised

Yep. Even the european ones.

In conclusion, circumcised > uncircumised
Only conclusion you can make is that your ****'s skin dry faster and shouldn't be exposed to direct sun light because it had no proper protection....

[Vance]

This is why you wear CLOTHES.

[Herrmannek]

This is why you wear CLOTHES.

Who will bother with wearing clothes when his wank can breath with fresh air....

[Fintin]

Only conclusion you can make is that your ****'s skin dry faster and shouldn't be exposed to direct sun light because it had no proper protection....


i wear pants....and...i for some reason i needed to get tan in that area...a tube sock will work

[Seoulstriker]

What's really bad about circumcision is that it makes ****** intercourse painful, and it also makes it less pleasurable. I think it's 60-80% of the pleasurable nerve endings are removed in circumcision, but all the hyper-sensitive ("pain receptors") remain open to the environment and pain inducers.

I'm not circumcised and I really enjoy my foreskin. I feel sorry for the mopes who have to deal with painful *** and masturbation. :lol:

[Fintin]

What's really bad about circumcision is that it makes ****** intercourse painful, and it also makes it less pleasurable. I think it's 60-80% of the pleasurable nerve endings are removed in circumcision, but all the hyper-sensitive ("pain receptors") remain open to the environment and pain inducers.

I'm not circumcised and I really enjoy my foreskin. I feel sorry for the mopes who have to deal with painful *** and masturbation. :lol:

your full of ****...thats really all i have to say....just utter bull**** from my point of view

[Herrmannek]

What's really bad about circumcision is that it makes ****** intercourse painful, and it also makes it less pleasurable. I think it's 60-80% of the pleasurable nerve endings are removed in circumcision, but all the hyper-sensitive ("pain receptors") remain open to the environment and pain inducers.

I'm not circumcised and I really enjoy my foreskin. I feel sorry for the mopes who have to deal with painful *** and masturbation. :lol:

your full of ****...thats really all i have to say....just utter bull**** from my point of view

You'll never know :).. We still have chance to check both ways....

[Seoulstriker]

your full of ****...thats really all i have to say....just utter bull**** from my point of view

"your" ignorant of the physiology. :roll: Just STFU if you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.

[Haiw]

your full of ****...thats really all i have to say....just utter bull**** from my point of view

"your" ignorant of the physiology. :roll: Just STFU if you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.
...says the guy who never had ***. Interesting. You might wanna tell my **** that masturbating should hurt because he doesn't know it yet. :roll:

[Fintin]

your full of ****...thats really all i have to say....just utter bull**** from my point of view

"your" ignorant of the physiology. :roll: Just STFU if you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.

i dont feel pain...i know what im talking about...dont tell me what it feels like...when you got no fecking clue...go masterbate to cows

[Ratamacue]

your full of ****...thats really all i have to say....just utter bull**** from my point of view
"your" ignorant of the physiology. :roll: Just STFU if you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.
Yeah, I agree with Haiw. I think my **** needs to go to your sensation education program before it goes off and does something stupid like feel good during ***.

[Vance]

WTF? It doesn't hurt :|

[Seoulstriker]

I know the physiology and anatomy and know what nerve endings are destroyed in circumcision, and I know which nerve endings exist on the glans of the *****. And I know that nerves can be desensitized, as is the case 2-3 weeks after adult circumcision. But don't tell me that the nerves left over from circumcision are not pain receptors.

The non-circumcised guys will now what I am talking about if they rolled back their prepuce and lightly touched their fingernail across the glans. It f***ing hurts! It's an extremely sensitive (pain-wise) part of the ***** and is supposed to be covered by lubricated skin. De-sensitization occurs in the nerve endings of the glans, and that's my point: circumcision destroys the pleasurable nerve endings and desensitizes what nerve endings are left.

That's all I'm saying. Of course, the circumcised folks will think what they're getting is the same as what the uncircumcised folks are getting. And boy are they wrong. ;)

[Vance]

That's ok, at least I won't get some freaky disease caused by my foreskin.

[memphiz]

So purple helmet or tuque

Ill have to say I dont go anywhere without my Tuque eh!

[Ratamacue]

Seoulstriker's a fanboy of non-circumcision.

[Haiw]

And I know that nerves can be desensitized, as is the case 2-3 weeks after adult circumcision.
Is that a typo or are you seriously talking about circumcision on a full-grown adult person?

[Herrmannek]

That's ok, at least I won't get some freaky disease caused by my foreskin.

What deasaeses? Just don't soak your wank in wrong holes because even circumation will not help you....

[Fintin]

Seoulstriker's a fanboy of non-circumcision.

he just like to talk about *****es...friggidy diggidy...he seems to know more about my ***** then i do....thats pritty jacked up if you ask me

[Tane Angle]

What's circumcision?

And what's it to you, Jack? p-)

[bishop1]

Lol how sad is this, a flame war started by foreskin

[Ria]

Yeah so...I chose #3, for obvious reasons... :P ;)

[Ratamacue]

That's good to know, Ria. Poor Vance must be disappointed.

[Fintin]

That's good to know, Ria. Poor Vance must be disappointed.

XING

[Vance]

That's good to know, Ria. Poor Vance must be disappointed.
rofl

[Haiw]

Don't worry, she can still use a strap-on for you.

[memphiz]

That's good to know, Ria. Poor Vance must be disappointed.
Damn I was just going to say that :D

OWNED

[Colt45]

Ria!!! I know this is none of our business but lets get the ladies involved. What do yall prefer? cirumcised or uncircumcised? :lol:

[Haiw]

Ria!!! I know this is none of our business but lets get the ladies involved. What do yall prefer? cirumcised or uncircumcised? :lol:
At least one that sticks out like more than a sore thumb. Awww...I guess that closes the door for Vance again. :petting:

[Ratamacue]

Ria!!! I know this is none of our business but lets get the ladies involved. What do yall prefer? cirumcised or uncircumcised? :lol:
At least one that sticks out like more than a sore thumb. Awww...I guess that closes the door for Vance again. :petting:
Vance could always use a strap-on too.

[radon]

How the hell you uncircumcised folks keep your ***** clean?

Pull the skin down? This was only an issue when I was 12 or 13 , before that I could not pull down the foreskin down because it was somehow attached to the *****. Here cleanliness was no problem, there was no room for dirt. But then when the foreskin started to get looser , there was a time when it was too unlose to open (and to clean) but so loose so stuff could collect in there. After that i can just pull the foreskin down and it is very easy to clean , and there doesent go too much stuff anyway. Why should there? there is skin protecting the top of the ***** which is not fully dry and so can collect fibres from the underwear etc

Maybe the circumcised because of medical reasons had to tight foreskin?

You start threads about really strange issues. Now I never will post my picture here , because of this rofl

[Dalleer]

You start threads about really strange issues. Now I never will post my picture here , because of this rofl

This isn't exactly the first time this specific "matter" is brought up , but this sure is the first time someone got angry over foreskin..heh.

[molly747]

I don't have a ***** (thank god), but I will not have my sons circumcised at birth. I think it's unnecessary (and cruel for that matter--techically, it's mutilation). I don't get all these "medical reasons." Was your ***** sick when you were born or something? As for the hygiene, the foreskin has a gland that produces smegma. It lubricates the cavity between the foreskin of the ***** and the glans, thus allowing smooth movement between them during intercourse. It's antibacterial and antiviral properties keep the ***** clean and healthy. So there.

How do I know this, you wonder? Took 2 reproductive health classes in college. Plus, there's a boatload information about circumcision on the web.

[Jack Mehoff]

I don't have a ***** (thank god), but I will not have my sons circumcised at birth. I think it's unnecessary (and cruel for that matter--techically, it's mutilation). I don't get all these "medical reasons." Was your ***** sick when you were born or something? As for the hygiene, the foreskin has a gland that produces smegma. It lubricates the cavity between the foreskin of the ***** and the glans, thus allowing smooth movement between them during intercourse. It's antibacterial and antiviral properties keep the ***** clean and healthy. So there.

How do I know this, you wonder? Took 2 reproductive health classes in college. Plus, there's a boatload information about circumcision on the web.

You didn't tell us the whole truth, so what is it, what is your real name mister? ;)

[molly747]

Okay, okay, my real name is He---oh, nevermind.

[Rain]

:cantbeli:

[Seoulstriker]

And I know that nerves can be desensitized, as is the case 2-3 weeks after adult circumcision.
Is that a typo or are you seriously talking about circumcision on a full-grown adult person?

I was seriously talking about adult circumcision. (It happens under forced-conversion to Islam in fact.)





Good for you, Molly! You boys will thank you for it, that's for certain. ;) Plus, it's soooo easy to masturbate with naturally lubricated penile tissue. :P

[Fintin]

Good for you, Molly! You boys will thank you for it, that's for certain. ;) Plus, it's soooo easy to masturbate with naturally lubricated penile tissue. :P


SHUT THE FECK UP.....

[G1]

Of course your ***** gets really messed up by circumsision, it would be painful as hell for me to walk around with my foreskin pulled away all the time, the head of the ***** is so sensitive. Hence, circumsision desenthisises (did I spell that right?) the *****. It's just not natural.

As for "diseases" caused by the foreskin, uh, why don't you cut off your eyelids and nails while you're at it? ;) In fact, cut off ALL your skin, you know you can just get cancer from that stuff. You can get diseases from anything if you don't clean yourself, the foreskin isn't some bacteria hive even if the ***** has some inherent "grossness" in our culture...

[memphiz]

Good for you, Molly! You boys will thank you for it, that's for certain. ;) Plus, it's soooo easy to masturbate with naturally lubricated penile tissue. :P


SHUT THE FECK UP.....
I agree with Fintin, your gonna be a horrible docter if you tell your patients that. geezus F***in cheerist

[molly747]

Good for you, Molly! You boys will thank you for it, that's for certain. ;) Plus, it's soooo easy to masturbate with naturally lubricated penile tissue. :P


SHUT THE FECK UP.....
I agree with Fintin, your gonna be a horrible docter if you tell your patients that. geezus F***in cheerist

Why? Isn't masturbation a pretty big part of a male's life? As a good doctor, you think of a patient in a holistic sense.

[memphiz]

Good for you, Molly! You boys will thank you for it, that's for certain. ;) Plus, it's soooo easy to masturbate with naturally lubricated penile tissue. :P


SHUT THE FECK UP.....
I agree with Fintin, your gonna be a horrible docter if you tell your patients that. geezus F***in cheerist

Why? Isn't masturbation a pretty big part of a male's life? As a good doctor, you think of a patient in a holistic sense.
Yeah, If my docter ever said that to me, I would be finding a new docter. and Im sure parents who are considering it for their kids wouldnt want to hear that either

[Fintin]

Good for you, Molly! You boys will thank you for it, that's for certain. ;) Plus, it's soooo easy to masturbate with naturally lubricated penile tissue. :P


SHUT THE FECK UP.....
I agree with Fintin, your gonna be a horrible docter if you tell your patients that. geezus F***in cheerist

Why? Isn't masturbation a pretty big part of a male's life? As a good doctor, you think of a patient in a holistic sense.


would you want your doctor commenting on your masterbation abilities?

[molly747]

Honestly, I could care less. My gynocologist is a woman, and we've talked about it several times. She's a professional, it's her job to be looking our for my best interests, especially my ****** health and happiness.

[Fargin]

Mastubation is a vital part of my mental hygiene and body maintenance.

[Vance]

You guys are really overexaggerating this whole 'circumsizion makes it hurt' thing. It doesn't hurt at all.

[ZeroPositive]

Nothing wrong with being Circumcised... and if ur kids ever decide to be circumcised later in life boy is it going to hurt LOL

only downside is say being cause by a bunch of Muslim and having ur pants pulled off and they accusing u of being a jew.....

[memphiz]

Honestly, I could care less. My gynocologist is a woman, and we've talked about it several times. She's a professional, it's her job to be looking our for my best interests, especially my ****** health and happiness.
Interesting

[Seoulstriker]

You guys are really overexaggerating this whole 'circumsizion makes it hurt' thing. It doesn't hurt at all.

Of course it doesn't hurt! The thing is that the almost all the nerves left from circumcision are for pain. When those are desensitized, you don't have as much pleasure as those who are uncircumcised. The uncircumcised get the benefit of pleasure nerve endings in the prepuce (foreskin), but also the pleasure of the lubricated foreskin sliding against the pain receptors in the glans. :D

I'm just saying that the circumcised guys are missing out. Sorry, but that's the truth. ;)

[Truthsayer]

That's ok, at least I won't get some freaky disease caused by my foreskin.

Yes, the clue-squad strikes back... :roll:

And exactly what disease would 'being natural' cause you?

[Seoulstriker]

The idea that circumcision prevents infection in the ***** is dubious. Cleaning the area is important, but so is brushing your teeth or cleaning your ears. The problem is with the nerves.

[Moledet]

The idea that circumcision prevents infection in the ***** is dubious. Cleaning the area is important, but so is brushing your teeth or cleaning your ears. The problem is with the nerves.
Tell that to scientists that proved that if you are cirumcised you have less chance to get AIDS.

P.S. You are just stupid, you talk about things that you've never experienced, I am circumcised (ofcourse, respect) and I don't feel any pain, I don't know where you read that stupid thing.

BTW, by your logic you cumm faster.

[OB Kenobi]

Nothing wrong with being Circumcised... and if ur kids ever decide to be circumcised later in life boy is it going to hurt LOL

only downside is say being cause by a bunch of Muslim and having ur pants pulled off and they accusing u of being a jew.....

Muslims are circumcized too. Circumcision is traced back originally to primitive African tribal rituals, thousands of years before the Jews or Muslims even existed. It then spread to the middle-east. The Jews originally did NOT practice it, the Egyptians did, and it is believed that is where the Jews got it from.

Personally I think circumcision should be a choice, sort of like getting a tattoo, or sticking a bone in your nose. Claiming God demands it is when you start getting into trouble.

[Truthsayer]

The idea that circumcision prevents infection in the ***** is dubious. Cleaning the area is important, but so is brushing your teeth or cleaning your ears. The problem is with the nerves.
Tell that to scientists that proved that if you are cirumcised you have less chance to get AIDS.


Wow, and ofcourse you have credable sources to back this claim up with? :roll:

[Moledet]

The idea that circumcision prevents infection in the ***** is dubious. Cleaning the area is important, but so is brushing your teeth or cleaning your ears. The problem is with the nerves.
Tell that to scientists that proved that if you are cirumcised you have less chance to get AIDS.


Wow, and ofcourse you have credable sources to back this claim up with? :roll:
Ofcourse I have:
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?doc=2098.4613

http://health.discovery.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=515503&tid=24

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/aids/TechAreas/research/mcfactsheet.html

Credible enough?

[Truthsayer]

What the usaid.gov-link is saying for instance is that it's more common for damaged foreskin as oppose to healhy foreskin to 'help' STDs be transmitted.

This is ofcourse not a hard thing to understand - an open wound is the best way to ensure you get infected.

Still, take care of your body and you are fine.


The reason for MC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision) in most religions are however the same reasons the mutilate females (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision) in somalia - control over the ******ity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Anti-masturbation_panic_and_circumcision). It's much harder for small boys to masturbate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Anti-masturbation_panic_and_circumcision) if they lack any foreskin.

if you want to know how you can help boys from being mutilated in the US? http://www.mgmbill.org/


Or have a look what these guys write:


We are educated and enlightened Jews who realize that the barbaric, primitive, torturous, and mutilating practice of circumcision has no place in modern Judaism. Rabbi Moses Maimonides himself acknowledged that circumcision is done to desensitize the ***** and curb masturbation.


http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/


here is someone that doesn't agree with your links above:


Immunological functions of the human prepuce

P M Fleiss, F M Hodges, R S Van Howe


Historically, the most common reason given for circumcision has been that it prevents masturbation. Today, the most common reason given is that it inhibits the transmission of STDs, even though rigorously controlled studies have consistently shown that circumcised males are at greater risk for all major STDs than males whose *****es are intact.[2][3][4][5][6] Circumcision advocates are now claiming that circumcision prevents AIDS.

http://www.foreskin.org/immuno.htm

[S'13]

The Jews originally did NOT practice it, the Egyptians did, and it is believed that is where the Jews got it from.



Jews believe that the commandment to circumcise one's male children was to formalize a covenant between God and the Jews. Most Jews claim that circumcision is religiously necessary because of its biblical prescription in the Torah. According to the Bible, circumcision was enjoined upon the biblical patriarch Abraham and his descendants as "a token of the covenant" concluded with him by God for all generations. The penalty of non-observance was karet, excision from the people (Gen. 17:10-14, 21:4; Lev. 12:3). Non-Israelites had to undergo circumcision before they could be allowed to partake of the feast of Passover (Ex. 12:48), or marry into a Jewish family (Gen. 34:14-16).

However, the Israelites born in the wilderness after the Exodus from Egypt reportedly did not practice circumcision. As recorded in Joshua 5:2-9, "all the people that came out" of Egypt were circumcised, but those "born in the wilderness" were not. Therefore Joshua, before the celebration of the Passover, had them circumcised at Gilgal.

Deut. x. 16 (compare ib. xxx. 6 and Jer. iv. 4) says, "Circumcise the foreskin of your heart," suggesting that ethical acts (among people) are as important as spiritual acts (between people and God). The prophetic tradition emphasizes that God expects people to be good as well as pious, and that non-Jews will be judged based on their ethical behavior. Thus, Jer. ix. 25-26 says that circumcised and uncircumcised will be punished alike by the Lord; for "all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in heart."

[Moledet]

What the usaid.gov-link is saying for instance is that it's more common for damaged foreskin as oppose to healhy foreskin to 'help' STDs be transmitted.

This is ofcourse not a hard thing to understand - an open wound is the best way to ensure you get infected.

Still, take care of your body and you are fine.


The reason for MC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision) in most religions are however the same reasons the mutilate females (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision) in somalia - control over the ******ity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Anti-masturbation_panic_and_circumcision). It's much harder for small boys to masturbate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Anti-masturbation_panic_and_circumcision) if they lack any foreskin.

if you want to know how you can help boys from being mutilated in the US? http://www.mgmbill.org/


Or have a look what these guys write:


We are educated and enlightened Jews who realize that the barbaric, primitive, torturous, and mutilating practice of circumcision has no place in modern Judaism. Rabbi Moses Maimonides himself acknowledged that circumcision is done to desensitize the ***** and curb masturbation.


http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/


here is someone that doesn't agree with your links above:


Immunological functions of the human prepuce

P M Fleiss, F M Hodges, R S Van Howe


Historically, the most common reason given for circumcision has been that it prevents masturbation. Today, the most common reason given is that it inhibits the transmission of STDs, even though rigorously controlled studies have consistently shown that circumcised males are at greater risk for all major STDs than males whose *****es are intact.[2][3][4][5][6] Circumcision advocates are now claiming that circumcision prevents AIDS.

http://www.foreskin.org/immuno.htm
Your links are less credible and are not balanced.
Studies that have been funded by governments and have been conducted on thousands of men showed that circumcised males have a 6-8 times lower chance to get AIDS than uncirumcised males.

As for the Jews link, Naturai Karta are Jews and they believe that Israel souldn't exist, does that mean that they are right?

[EvanL]

Yay!!!
***** Fight!!!

[Truthsayer]

Your links are less credible and are not balanced.
Studies that have been funded by governments and have been conducted on thousands of men showed that circumcised males have a 6-8 times lower chance to get AIDS than uncirumcised males.

As for the Jews link, Naturai Karta are Jews and they believe that Israel souldn't exist, does that mean that they are right?

You gotta be kidding me...

Ok, here is the reference-list for the piece on 'Immunological functions of the human prepuce. PM Fleiss, FM Hodges, RS Van Howe. ******ly Transmitted Infections, October 1998. '


University of Southern California Medical Center, Los Angeles, California, USA
P M Fleiss

Wellcome Unit for the History of Medicine, University of Oxford, Oxford OX2 6PE
F M Hodges

Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
R S Van Howe

Correspondence to:
Dr. Fleiss, 1824 North Hillhurst Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90027, USA.

Accepted for publication 5 March 1998


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[pAt]

wow the first fourm where u talk about *****es and it will end up in a big reglious debate lol

[Moledet]

You know what? I won't argue with you about that. You can believe what you wish and I will believe what I wish. I'm pretty sure that I could give you a longer list, but what does it worth? You won't read it for sure (like I didn't read the list that you posted) and we will get nowhere with the discussion, so let's leave it.

P.S. Russian American, I don't think that you can be part of the Zionist world takeover if you are not circumcised, but Herman can.

[Truthsayer]

You know what? I won't argue with you about that. You can believe what you wish and I will believe what I wish. I'm pretty sure that I could give you a longer list, but what does it worth? You won't read it for sure (like I didn't read the list that you posted) and we will get nowhere with the discussion, so let's leave it.

Granted, we can agree to disagree - just don't post anything as 'The Truth', when it's still being debated amongst doctors.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Ok, Ima rant for a bit now. All the ppl (seoulstriker included) who think that circumcision 'takes aways' from the pleaure are simply wrong. Ask a CERTIFIED MD (which seoulstriker isnt. yet.)
On the flip side all the circumsized ppl asserting that its healthier, and that the rest of us got dirty stinky cocks are WRONG too. In the desert enivronment of 2000 yearold mideast, without circumsciosion it was too easy to get infected. In the sterile Western environmet of today (complete with showers and anti-bacterial soap) it is now believed, that circumcision bring more diseases then it prevents so to speak, especially if (like me) you wash your digalong (or dingashort in Liesayers case) with soap/bodywash, nothing is gonna get infected.
And as for the dirty assholes, who keep their **** in *** for weeks on end, well chances are you are going to die of Dysenteria, BEFORE your **** gets infected anyway since you are a dirty pig.
There.
O, and not ALL Jews are circumsized. Only the brainwashed, inferior non-Russian ones. :P :P :P :P

[DixieDude]

You guys know there is a mid-circumcision. Leaves part foreskin but there is still a head. Feels better during ***

[UkrainianAmerican]

You know what? I won't argue with you about that. You can believe what you wish and I will believe what I wish. I'm pretty sure that I could give you a longer list, but what does it worth? You won't read it for sure (like I didn't read the list that you posted) and we will get nowhere with the discussion, so let's leave it.

P.S. Russian American, I don't think that you can be part of the Zionist world takeover if you are not circumcised, but Herman can.
I am UNDER-COVER (Pun intended, haha, I am so funny)

[digrar]

I had a mate who was circumcised at birth. He said it hurt so much, he couldn't walk for nearly two years :P .


As someone who hasn't been cut and who has spent a lot of time in the field, cleanliness hasn't been a problem, so someone who is showering everyday should be able to keep themselves nice and tidy.
IMO it has as much place in society as female circumcision, which is none.

[ShotOver]

Bah, let's all go cut parts of our willy off because people living in the desert used to do it thousands of years ago to stop little sand insects laying eggs under the foreskin

No way am i choppin parts of my willy off.

[memphiz]

Larry Long has written several hundred songs during his 30 years of travel as a Troubadour; inspired by the people he has met and stories heês been told in communities across the world. Here are some excerpts from liner notes of stories behind some of the songs he has recorded on CD.
Here I Stand: Elders' Wisdom, Children's Song

Here I Stand: Elders' Wisdom, Children's Song is a celebration of rural Alabama communities. It is based upon the shared memories and wisdom of their elder members fashioned into songs by school children. As a part of Elders' Wisdom, Children's Song, the elders told their stories and the children listened. With the help of their teachers and the creative guidance of Larry Long, the children transformed the stories into artwork, recitations, and songs. Students became historians, writers, artists, and musicians for their communities; they became links between the past and present.

Work is the prevailing theme. Like the peoples, cultures, and communities represented, the work is diverse. The songs are of Appalachian people who dug coal for little reward and faced the dangers of the mines; they are about people in the fields of the Black Belt -- ill paid and used; they are of people doing the hard, everyday work of home, of people who brought life and of people intent upon making a living.

The songs and their accompanying recitations were originally performed by the children and Larry Long as part of public celebrations honoring the elders and powerfully linking schools and communities. Inevitably the performances indicated the capacity of schools to honor their communities and to preserve, enrich, and celebrate their culture Elders' Wisdom, Children's Song makes clear that communities are important and stimulating learning resources for schools and that the study of their own places provides students with unique and relevant opportunities to use and acquire academic skills.

Elders' Wisdom, Children's Song is a core project of Community Celebration of Place, a non-profit organization founded and directed by Larry Long, and has been sponsored by the PACERS Small Schools Cooperative as a part of its program, Better Schools Building Better Communities. PACERS is an association of 28 small rural Alabama public schools committed to strengthening schools and communities.
It Takes a Lot of People

It Takes a Lot of People was recorded live at the historic Crystal Theater, built in 1921, in Okemah, Oklahoma (home of Woody Guthrie), on December 1, 1988. It was Okemah's first tribute to Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie performed on this very stage as a member of Okemah's High School Glee Club. The tribute was blessed with the participation of students from Langston, Davenport, and Okemah plus renowned banjo virtuoso Alan Munde and Fidlin' Pete Watercott.

"I felt the warmth of my family all around me. Clara, Roy, Woody, George, Papa and Mama. They, too, all sat here in this very theater many years ago. When the children came marching down the aisle and on the stage I swelled with pride and the tears came. I knew Woody was watching." Mary Jo (Guthrie) Edgmon, Woody's sister.

For fifteen years Fiddlin' Pete and I have performed together. He's the only person I know that gets free health care with a bow and fiddle. When the fiddle begins, the politics end. So off we flew across Oklahoma, singing with Mr. Olden Edwards at his church, Chubby's Cafe, Gerald's Barber Shop, Madge's Donut Shop, Wagon Wheel, and Okemah's Senior Citizen Center, where the oldest man in Okfushdee County, Mr. George Dodson, clogged down the aisle when he heard the fiddle talk.
PSALMS

As a child, I would close my eyes and allow my finger to drop on the scripture that God wanted me to read. In times of need God's revelations leaped off the pages of the PSALMS. The PSALMS gave me the poetry of the vastness of creation and the concentration of human longing. With the wail of a mother giving birth, the PSALMS cry out in joyous song. With the heartbeat of every person thrown into exile, the PSALMS take us home again.

I was born into a southern Baptist family, raised in a Jewish community, adopted by Franciscans and rediscovered God in a Dakota sweat lodge. But as Mark Twain writes, "travel is fatal to prejudice," and so it is when one journeys through comparative translations of religious text.

What is the difference between lacking and wanting? What is the difference between justice and righteousness? What is the difference between enemy and tormentor? What is the difference between forever and long years? Each question brings us closer to the community of God. Through discussion we find each other, delighting in the span of God's net.

My mother would sing the PSALMS to us at bed time; consoling us by affirming the presence of God in our every sleeping and waking hour. Now, with the same breath, I sing for my children. One night, while singing with my three year old daughter in a canoe beneath a full moon, she said, "Daddy, look at all the angels. Just look at all the angels."

As my grandmother underlined in PSALMS 139 of her Bible, given to me at her death, 'the night shall be light about me.' Surely it is so.

I give thanks with all of my heart
I give thanks with all of my mind
In the presence of angels I sing
Calling out to you one more time.
Run for Freedom, Sweet Thunder

About the Run for Freedom: In 1981 Lakota children organized a 400 mile spiritual run to the Sioux Falls Prison in South Dakota. They called it the Run for Freedom. The runners were to exchange 'Sacred Prayer Staffs' with their relatives in prison. But on June 2nd, one of the runners, Kimberly Rose Means (Wanbli Wakan Win) was struck down by a drunken driver; a white man who was later released on a misdemeanor charge. This recording is dedicated to the children on the Run For Freedom; and to the spirit of Kimberly who lived her life in service for her people.

"Kimberly passed on to the spirit world at the tender age of eleven. An innocent young girl who was so full of life-so beautiful. The loss of a loved one is something you never get used to. You just learn to accept it. In accepting her loss, I choose not to remember the tragedy of her death, but the beauty of her life. Kimberly has taught me many things, and continues to teach me every day. She has taught me the meaning of patience. She has taught me what it means to be humble. And above all, she has taught me the importance of our children and how much they have to offer if we listen. I believe that Kimberly has a message for all of us. Her message is of struggle and sacrifice. And her message is of beauty. A beautiful people. A beautiful land. Beautiful water. A beautiful life!"



MITAKUYE OYASIN
Ted Means

"Water in the Rain"

This song is for the 38 and the Santee Nation. Placing the Santee Dakota Nation on reservations for the first time in 1851 was an act of cultural genocide. A mere decade thereafter, deprived of the freedom of the hunt, this ancient people stared starvation in its grim face. In August of 1862, there began a final defense of the Dakota Oyate - the long road to Wounded Knee. When the Wars of August were quelled, 303 Dakota were marked for the gallows. President Lincoln, in commuting the sentences of all but 38, paved the way for the largest mass execution in United States history.
Troubadour

To talk about the troubadour on the road is to talk about a poetry free of institutions and patronage -- a poetry rooted in the earth rather than suspended in lofty abstractions -- a poetry that could turn the social order on its head and get away with it because the poet could also play the clown -- a poetry that spoke volumes to the people who knew first hand the long struggles and the small victories it recounted. In the road and its songs we find the connection between generations of troubadours, medieval and modern.

On the road the troubadour's audience and inspiration are to be found in the taverns, fairs, forests, small towns and neighborhoods where life and love are met, not in the abstract, but in the people. Here the poet discovers and celebrates the mundane and the sublime. The themes are many and varied -- the challenge of living with the earth and the wonders of its gifts, the fight for dignity and justice, the power of fate, the need for faith, the treasure of friendship. On the road the troubadour sees the colors of life, smells the awakening of the earth in the spring, and hears the voices of the people making their peace with the rhythms of the seasons and the seasons of the human being -- sowing, harvesting, birthing, dying, loving, laughing.

- Madonna Hettinger,

Assistant Professor of Medieval History, College of Wooster, Ohio (excerpt)


Well May the World Go

(Field recording of Pete Seeger interview by Larry Long)

In the mid 1970s I sang for farmers fighting the construction of a high voltage power line in central Minnesota. It was a populist movement that brought together rural and urban people concerned about the environment, the family farmer, and the collusion between big, privately-owned utilities with the rural electric cooperatives. It was through fighting this high voltage power line with song that I met Pete Seeger. And it was quite by accident.

The farmers fighting that high voltage power line began reaching out to other farmers in order to build a larger rural coalition. It was in this spirit that a farmer named Virgil Fuchs and I took a trip to Appleton, where the first American Agriculture Movement strike office in Minnesota was established.

When we arrived at the strike office it was crowded with sugar beet farmers with their feed caps on. Virgil talked to them about how the big utilities had lied to the farmers in his county in order to get an easement to build their high-voltage power line. He then asked me to sing a couple of songs. When I got done singing this man everyone called "The Governor" said, "Larry, you remind me of Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger." The man's name was Elmer Benson. When Elmer was governor of Minnesota and the lumberjacks were on strike, Elmer called the National Guard out on the company! The lumberjacks won the strike.

Elmer told me many stories of when Pete and Woody came to the Midwest singing for the farmers and workers in need, and he called Pete and told him about my work. The next thing I knew I was on an American Agriculture Movement tractorcade heading east to Washington D.C. It was a slow trip that was started by a lonesome farmer from the Fargo/Moorhead area in a non-enclosed cab in the middle of winter.

By the time we reached Washington D.C., we were 100 miles long, single file, pulling into our nation's capital. I stayed in Washington D.C. for three months with those farmers that year. While I was there Pete Seeger called the national strike office and asked for me. Pete told me about his singing in Washington D.C. with dairy farmers in the 1930s.

I visited Pete and his wife Toshi at their home in upstate New York. What I remember most from that visit was going along the shores of the Hudson with Pete. While talking, Pete began to reach down and pick up cigarette butts along the shore. Soon I began doing the sameãall the while talking. Then we were walking between fishermen fishing and throwing their cigarette butts and aluminum cans into paper bags. Next thing we know those same fishermen have stopped fishing, and they're picking up their own cigarette butts and cans, and within a very short period of time that little section of the Hudson River was cleaned up.

That moment redirected my life for the next ten years. After I returned to Minnesota I helped start a movement called the Mississippi River Revival whose main functions were to pick up both visible and invisible trash along and in the river and to celebrate the diverse culture of people along her banks.

Once you meet Pete you end up doing a whole lot more work for other people than you imagined yourself ever doing. Pete just has that way with people. He makes you feel like you can change the world, and before you know it that's exactly what you've done.

But when you try to give Pete credit for that inspiration he often replies, "You know I saw this cartoon of a tired woman with babies in her arms, cleaning the kitchen. When the telephone rings, she replies, 'No my husband isn't home. He's off trying to save the world.'"

You'll ask what this is, this is basically BS just like this thread. Im being cool like everyone else and writing a ****load

[Double Tap]

dude i got it done when i was born, besides chix dont like the extra skin ;)
it gives it a wierd ass look, like a snail coming out of its shell :lol:
http://www.playboy.com/***/cos/heidimark/

have never been with anyone who was uncircumcised until I met my new boyfriend, and it's amazing. The extra skin is like having an extra ridge there. When I have children, I won't have the boys circumcised, because I want their wives to be very happy. It's almost like he has a **** ring on. You know those condoms that have the big ridges on them? Well, that's what it's like. Besides, a **** is a ****. It just looks a little different. And my boyfriend's is the perfect size. You usually don't remember how big men's ****'s are, but you remember the really small ones. Girth matters and size and length matter. Basically, I have to have a perfect ****. And now I've got the length and the girth and a bonus I didn't even know existed.


Tell that to scientists that proved that if you are cirumcised you have less chance to get AIDS.

P.S. You are just stupid, you talk about things that you've never experienced, I am circumcised (ofcourse, respect) and I don't feel any pain, I don't know where you read that stupid thing.

BTW, by your logic you cumm faster.

wouldn't the best way not to get aids/other std's is to not stick your **** in the people that have aids/std's[/quote]

[Ghostwolf]

I was told that it is better to have circumcision so that Mr. Peter will be less susceptible to penile cancer.

[molly747]

***** FIGHT!!! *ducks under table*

[budanski]

***** FIGHT!!! *ducks under table*
old habit? ;)

[molly747]

***** FIGHT!!! *ducks under table*
old habit? ;)

You wish.

[Midtown]

I hate ***** threads when Im stoned.

[Gringo]

That's a negative on whether I'm circumcised.

[Fintin]

im gonna piss on the next person who tells me how my ***** works....its mine...i like it...i play with it....so the answer is no....seoul you cannot touch my *****e

[gilgoul]

What's really bad about circumcision is that it makes ****** intercourse painful, and it also makes it less pleasurable. I think it's 60-80% of the pleasurable nerve endings are removed in circumcision, but all the hyper-sensitive ("pain receptors") remain open to the environment and pain inducers.

I'm not circumcised and I really enjoy my foreskin. I feel sorry for the mopes who have to deal with painful *** and masturbation. :lol:

It`s pretty sad to see so much prejudice.
I can tell you, NO PAIN, and as a girl friend who had some "mileage" told me, "with you guys (circumsized), at least it usually lasts longer than the regular 3 minutes and a shake"

[Moledet]

What's really bad about circumcision is that it makes ****** intercourse painful, and it also makes it less pleasurable. I think it's 60-80% of the pleasurable nerve endings are removed in circumcision, but all the hyper-sensitive ("pain receptors") remain open to the environment and pain inducers.

I'm not circumcised and I really enjoy my foreskin. I feel sorry for the mopes who have to deal with painful *** and masturbation. :lol:

It`s pretty sad to see so much prejudice.
I can tell you, NO PAIN, and as a girl friend who had some "mileage" told me, "with you guys (circumsized), at least it usually lasts longer than the regular 3 minutes and a shake"
hawwwww, stalions :)

[hank]

I am definitely circumcised. I've read some crazy stuff here about circumcision so here are a couple of facts. My sister is a neo-natal nurse who knows a lot about this and she had her first son in December 2003 and had him circumcised.

Women married to circumcised men are less likely statistically to get urinary tract infections and *I think* cancer. I know for sure on the infections but I could be mistaken on the cancer.

As for men and cancer my sister said that is not supported by medical evidence, but she admits that she's not an expert. I haven't read all the way through but I haven't seen medical evidence that uncircumcised men have penile cancer at a higher rate.

Here is a terrible story. My sister and I talk a lot about kids because Ms. hank jsut had our first (a girl) and my sister had her first in December. So, we ask my sister lots of questions. She sings the priases of circumcision and all and really says its the best and does not hurt the child, you all know the drill. Then her son, my nephew, develops a lot of complications regarding his circumcision and ends up having to get it redone at aourn 6 months. Lots of pain and aggravation. Ends up it was doctor error. They are not suing, but its classical medical malpractice. Point is, even the best laid plans don't work out.

One more funny circumcision story. Word around Knoxville when I was a kid was that Johnny Majors, the coach at UT in the 1970's and 1980's was not circumcised. Don't know if it is true, but I always thought that was funny.

peace

hank

[Fintin]

My sister and I talk a lot about kids because Ms. hank jsut had our first (a girl) and my sister had her first in December. hank

keeping it in the family?

[UoUo]

p-)

[Fargin]

Am I the only one getting a *****?

[OB Kenobi]

However, the Israelites born in the wilderness after the Exodus from Egypt reportedly did not practice circumcision. As recorded in Joshua 5:2-9, "all the people that came out" of Egypt were circumcised, but those "born in the wilderness" were not. Therefore Joshua, before the celebration of the Passover, had them circumcised at Gilgal.

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/history.jpg

The Jews adopted circumcision as a religious ritual6,8,13,16 and preserved this prehistoric practice into modern times.8,13,16 The circumcision of Abraham removed only the very tip that extended beyond the glans *****.6,15,20,26 Moses and his sons were not circumcised. (Exodus 4:25) Although Moses apparently prohibited circumcision during the 40 years in the wilderness,13,16 (Joshua 5:5) Joshua reinstituted circumcision at Gilgal after the death of Moses.13,16 (Joshua 5:2-10) It is interesting to note that after the Israelites were circumcised, they immediately became soldiers in Joshua's army for the conquest of Palestine. (Joshua 6:1-3)

In contrast to the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans placed a high value on the prepuce.29 The Romans passed several laws to protect the prepuce by prohibiting circumcision.29

Much later in the Hellenic period, about 140 C.E., the circumcision procedure was modified to make it impossible for a Jew to appear to be Greek.6,16,23 A radical new procedure called peri'ah was introduced by the priests and rabbis. In this procedure the foreskin was stripped away from the glans, with which it is fused in the infant (See Normal.), in a painful procedure known today as a synechotomy. More foreskin was removed than before and the injury was correspondingly greater. With the introduction of peri'ah the glans could not easily be recovered and so no Jewish male would easily be able to appear as Greek.6,16,23

It may have been at this time that the Pondus Judaeus (also known as Judaeum Pondum), a bronze weight worn by Jews on the residual foreskin to stretch it back into a foreskin,6,16,21 gained popularity amongst Jewish males. This lessened the ugly appearance of the bare exposed circumcised *****.16 This restorative procedure was known by the Greek word epispasm,6 or "rolling inward."

The third stage of ritual circumcision, the Messisa or Metzitzah, was not introduced until the Talmudic period (500-625 C.E).6,15,21 In Metzitzah, the mohel (ritual circumciser) sucks blood from the ***** of the circumcised infant with his mouth. 29 This procedure has been responsible for the death of many Jewish babies due to infection.11 In modern times, a glass tube is sometimes used instead.

The Reform movement within Judaism considered circumcision to be a cruel practice.15 The Reform movement at Frankfort declared in 1843 that circumcision was not necessary.15,19

The Christians took a strong stand against circumcision in the first century. Christians rejected circumcision at the Council at Jerusalem.15 (Acts 15) St. Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, taught parents that they should not circumcise their children. (Acts 21:25) Also, Paul warned Titus to beware of the "circumcision group."

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/

[Haiw]

So I guess a lot of christians being circumsized means that there really is a zionist conspiracy? ;)

[Moledet]

WTF are all this books name? These are not the bible books.
What is Exodus? Bamidbar (4th book)? Dvarim (5th book)? Shmot (2nd book)? Vaikra (3rd book)?
And I guess that Joshua is Yeusha.

[moog]

It`s pretty sad to see so much prejudice.
I can tell you, NO PAIN, and as a girl friend who had some "mileage" told me, "with you guys (circumsized), at least it usually lasts longer than the regular 3 minutes and a shake"[/quote]

As an "elder stateswoman" I can assure you that it makes no difference whatsoever to the longevity of the experience

I think it may be down to the the staying power of the individual ;)

[mattnwnc03]

i haveto thank mom for not doing that butchery to me

[Vance]

Am I the only one getting a *****?
Yes, because according to Seoul all the feeling in my ***** is destroyed. :roll:

[Fintin]

can we rename this thread crew neck or turtle neck?

[captainfly]

Yup, crew neck here, for medical reasons, and balance :roll:

[Truthsayer]

So I guess a lot of christians being circumsized means that there really is a zionist conspiracy? ;)

Well, no, but - to make a general statement - only christians in the US (and then only about 50%) circumsize their sons. Most other christians groups don't - not in europe for instance.

Jews and muslums do, however.

Hindus and buddists don't.

[rob]

born in america and all natural.

do i get a prize?

[Midav]

Yup.

[Seoulstriker]

Yes, because according to Seoul all the feeling in my ***** is destroyed. :roll:


Most of the feeling is gone. :lol:

[Moledet]

Yes, because according to Seoul all the feeling in my ***** is destroyed. :roll:


Most of the feeling is gone. :lol:
Whatever minuteman.

[Fintin]

Yes, because according to Seoul all the feeling in my ***** is destroyed. :roll:


Most of the feeling is gone. :lol:

hehehe your a turtle neck...thats gross