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[WDW]Megaraptor
10-04-2009, 07:49 PM
This is a speech that the Roman historian Tacitus records the Pictish chieftain Calgacus making to the assembled Scottish troops on the eve of the Battle of Mons Graupius in 83 or 84 AD, during the Roman invasion of Scotland:


"Whenever I consider the origin of this war and the necessities of our position, I have a sure confidence that this day, and this union of yours, will be the beginning of freedom to the whole of Britain. To all of us slavery is a thing unknown; there are no lands beyond us, and even the sea is not safe, menaced as we are by a Roman fleet. And thus in war and battle, in which the brave find glory, even the coward will find safety. Former contests, in which, with varying fortune, the Romans were resisted, still left in us a last hope of succour, inasmuch as being the most renowned nation of Britain, dwelling in the very heart of the country, and out of sight of the shores of the conquered, we could keep even our eyes unpolluted by the contagion of slavery. To us who dwell on the uttermost confines of the earth and of freedom, this remote sanctuary of Britain's glory has up to this time been a defence. Now, however, the furthest limits of Britain are thrown open, and the unknown always passes for the marvellous. But there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission. Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a solitude and call it peace.

"Nature has willed that every man's children and kindred should be his dearest objects. Yet these are torn from us by conscriptions to be slaves elsewhere. Our wives and our sisters, even though they may escape violation from the enemy, are dishonoured under the names of friendship and hospitality. Our goods and fortunes they collect for their tribute, our harvests for their granaries. Our very hands and bodies, under the lash and in the midst of insult, are worn down by the toil of clearing forests and morasses. Creatures born to slavery are sold once and for all, and are, moreover, fed by their masters; but Britain is daily purchasing, is daily feeding, her own enslaved people. And as in a household the last comer among the slaves is always the butt of his companions, so we in a world long used to slavery, as the newest and most contemptible, are marked out for destruction. We have neither fruitful plains, nor mines, nor harbours, for the working of which we may be spared. Valour, too, and high spirit in subjects, are offensive to rulers; besides, remoteness and seclusion, while they give safety, provoke suspicion. Since then you cannot hope for quarter, take courage, I beseech you, whether it be safety or renown that you hold most precious. Under a woman's leadership the Brigantes were able to burn a colony, to storm a camp, and had not success ended in supineness, might have thrown off the yoke. Let us, then, a fresh and unconquered people, never likely to abuse our freedom, show forthwith at the very first onset what heroes Caledonia has in reserve.

"Do you suppose that the Romans will be as brave in war as they are licentious in peace? To our strifes and discords they owe their fame, and they turn the errors of an enemy to the renown of their own army, an army which, composed as it is of every variety of nations, is held together by success and will be broken up by disaster. These Gauls and Germans, and, I blush to say, these Britons, who, though they lend their lives to support a stranger's rule, have been its enemies longer than its subjects, you cannot imagine to be bound by fidelity and affection. Fear and terror there certainly are, feeble bonds of attachment; remove them, and those who have ceased to fear will begin to hate. All the incentives to victory are on our side. The Romans have no wives to kindle their courage; no parents to taunt them with flight, man have either no country or one far away. Few in number, dismayed by their ignorance, looking around upon a sky, a sea, and forests which are all unfamiliar to them; hemmed in, as it were, and enmeshed, the Gods have delivered them into our hands. Be not frightened by the idle display, by the glitter of gold and of silver, which can neither protect nor wound. In the very ranks of the enemy we shall find our own forces. Britons will acknowledge their own cause; Gauls will remember past freedom; the other Germans will abandon them, as but lately did the Usipii. Behind them there is nothing to dread. The forts are ungarrisoned; the colonies in the hands of aged men; what with disloyal subjects and oppressive rulers, the towns are ill-affected and rife with discord. On the one side you have a general and an army; on the other, tribute, the mines, and all the other penalties of an enslaved people. Whether you endure these for ever, or instantly avenge them, this field is to decide. Think, therefore, as you advance to battle, at once of your ancestors and of your posterity."
(From Agricola, Books 30-32)

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/readings/agricola.html

camerashy
10-05-2009, 12:49 AM
How was this Roman supposed to have recorded this prior to a Roman invasion?

Euroamerican
10-05-2009, 01:20 PM
^-------I suspect you have already googled up that answer!!! Still interesting stuff though.

Ulytau
10-05-2009, 02:21 PM
Thank you for share mate also i found this video too ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyj0k75PwE

oldsoak
10-05-2009, 03:36 PM
I fear the speech is a Roman invention. I very much doubt the Picts had any idea of "Britain" - and as for slavery, every early European society made slaves of captives.

Euroamerican
10-05-2009, 03:38 PM
That what I was thinking as well, Old Soak. The googling revealed this as potential historical fiction.

happyslapper
10-05-2009, 05:21 PM
I fear the speech is a Roman invention. I very much doubt the Picts had any idea of "Britain" - and as for slavery, every early European society made slaves of captives.

Is that not simply a refelction of the translation?

I suspect they would have said something along the lines of 'natives/native lands', which would broadly equate to Britons/Britain today.

Even in those times there was a (sometimes awkward ;) ) union between the British kingdoms.

Perhaps we're over-analysing though! Great speech, much could be applied to contemporary Britain.

[WDW]Megaraptor
10-05-2009, 10:06 PM
I think it could easily have been reported to Tacitus by a source, perhaps a captive taken in the battle.

big_les
10-06-2009, 11:25 PM
Tacitus liked to put words in the mouths of his players. History then was even more politicised than today.

Also, an army led by a Pict is, by definition, not a Scottish one.

[WDW]Megaraptor
10-07-2009, 02:28 AM
Tacitus liked to put words in the mouths of his players. History then was even more politicised than today.

Also, an army led by a Pict is, by definition, not a Scottish one.

Considering that in Tacitus' history of the conquest of Britain he basically says "We came in and took the Briton's freedom and subjugated/enslaved them" I don't see how that was politically advantageous to the Romans.

oldsoak
10-07-2009, 10:24 AM
Meh - Tacitus was a trendy lefty asking just what have the Romans done for us.

Calgacus real words were "Wha dare meddle wi' me ?" . It gets repeated many a weekend.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-08-2009, 03:17 PM
All this fuss about a work of fiction.

The Picts got their arses handed to them by the Romans just like a lot of others. The Romans decided not to stay in Caledonia because there was nothing there that was worth staying for :-)

Hadrian's Wall was a make work exercise for the legions to keep them too busy to make trouble not a defence against invincible Pictish hordes.

oldsoak
10-08-2009, 05:34 PM
" Hadrian's Wall was a make work exercise for the legions to keep them too busy to make trouble not a defence against invincible Pictish hordes."

"..and when you've finished scrubbing the last stone, young Julius me lad, you can **** do it again ! I dont 'kin care if Tacitus is a mate of yours..."

JCR
10-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Tacitus actually WAS something like a pinko commie hippie, but in a decidedly non pacifist way..
:)
He thought roman civilization had become decadent, and cited "barbarians" (Germans, Picts) as positive examples of non decadent heroic people who still had the old ways that made Rome great.
He wanted the romans to become a heroic warrior people again
(if they ever were that is highly dubious, actually they were a bunch of peasants with a penchant for law and warfare)

Basically all antique speeches found are made up. The least made up are maybe those of Cicero, as serveral sources quote details of them, especially his speeches against Catilina.
But the version by himself that was butchered by my translation in school is of course a heavily redacted version written down years after the actual event.
There's no way Tacitus (who enjoyed the benefits of decadent civilization too much) could have had any verbatim quotes from a pict. Even if he was interested in it.

For ancient "Historians" (for today's standards, they're all fakers and propagandists), a speech was a literary figure, that enabled them to portrait the intentions and character of a historical figure without using too much exposition.
Thucydides started this, and basically all historians up to Prokopius use the speech in that manner. Tacitus is not a historian per se, more a political writer, but he uses it too.