Helmet:Revision MPAS – Modular Protection Attachment System

[Soldat_Américain]

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Revision MPAS – Modular Protection Attachment System
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16728
Revision’s Modular Protection Attachment System is a three part system that adds considerable protection to the face without compromising standard military accessory integration or adding huge amounts of weight.

The first element of the system is the halo. It attaches to a standard ACH and adds a milspec, low profile NVG mount, side rails (developed with OpsCore) and a rear mounted anchor point for the mandible shroud. The halo weighs about 75g, that’s 15 grams more than a current NVG mount.

The second part is the dual hinged eye shield that drops down and protects the eyes and upper face. The dual hinge keeps the visor from sticking straight out when not in use. It also locks in two positions, one that allows air to escape through the top and a second, tightly sealed position.

The third and final part of the system is one of three mandible guards. Revision offers a titanium wire mask for crowd control situations, and two ballistic versions with more or less cheek coverage that let the user choose between protection or weight. The ballistic mandible guard is rated the same or better than the ballistic rating for the ACH. No word on price, yet. Revision is looking to release the MPAS next year.

More pics of different configurations after the break.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/10/05/revision-mpas-modular-protection-attachment-system/#more-3042

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16724

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16726

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16727

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16725

Revision Eyewear (http://www.revisioneyewear.com/)

On a related note this from OPS Core-

Speaking of Ops-Core, they debuted several new products available in early 2010. This eye shield was actually developed a couple of years ago but placed on hold while they refined the FAST technology for a military customer. The lens slides up and down on a track located inside the shell. It will replace the front brow pad inside the helmet as a unit and is ready to go awaiting production of the actual clear shield which will be manufactured by Oakley.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16729

http://soldiersystems.net/2009/10/05/moder-day-marine-round-up/
Obviously you can draw parallels to the dutch modular helmet but the difference is you can do this today. And I think it would help a lot with overall protection, although I'm sure it is hot as hell. Also wondering if the system would work better with an OpsCore helmet even though it is designed for an ACH so that we can use it today.

[profall]

How are you going to look down the sights of your rifle with that face mask on?

[triath]

That's what optics are for.

[Soldat_Américain]

How are you going to look down the sights of your rifle with that face mask on?

Common sense tells me the same way I do now, except that my cheek wouldn't be resting where it normally does.

[Alpha-17]

I want. In MC. EndWar US Ghost Riflemen anybody?

[Kap]

Motorcycle helmet anybody?? lol ;)

[Alpha-17]

Won't be too long before US troops look something like this:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Project%20ARC%20LIGHT/WoCDec017.jpg

[MichaelF]

Mike Like.

In certain environments. On certain operations.

[Bacon]

If this helmet is in Transformers 3 in MC...Im going to kill airsofters.

[Rakki]

Clean, modular design that looks sleek and effective.

I like.

[rhino]

and the gas mask option?

I can see that thing fogging like a b**** on crack

[SilentType]

That thing is really Buck Rogers.

[Virus]

Would be good for gunners. If I was on a .50 again, I'd use this mofo, and who needs to look down the gun, that's what tracers are for! :D

[Frens]

just in time...I'm looking for a new football helmet woot

seriously, are these just aftermarket accessories or are they being officially issued?

[Kap]

just in time...I'm looking for a new football helmet woot

seriously, are these just aftermarket accessories or are they being officially issued?

I believe they are just currently after market accessories. But might eventually turn into an issued item. I don't even want to know what the price tag is. I'm almost betting about the price of a helmet, or even doubled depending on the type of material they use.

[trunk_munkey28]

http://www.army.dnd.ca/land-terre/news-nouvelles/story-reportage-eng.asp?id=1891

Revision has already trialed this sort of thing.
It sucked. Hard. But the CF went ahead and procured it anyways.
It precludes the use of the MNVGs, you cannot use vehicle FCS systems without flipping it up, and worst of all, there is no way you can acquire a sight picture with either the Elcan C79 or our issue EOTech. Supposedly, its meant for air sentries and vehicle crew, but its useless for anything along those lines.
Junk. Utter junk.

[Kap]

http://http://www.army.dnd.ca/land-terre/news-nouvelles/story-reportage-eng.asp?id=1891 (http://http//www.army.dnd.ca/land-terre/news-nouvelles/story-reportage-eng.asp?id=1891)

Revision has already trialed this sort of thing.
It sucked. Hard. But the CF went ahead and procured it anyways.
It precludes the use of the MNVGs, you cannot use vehicle FCS systems without flipping it up, and worst of all, there is no way you can acquire a sight picture with either the Elcan C79 or our issue EOTech. Supposedly, its meant for air sentries and vehicle crew, but its useless for anything along those lines.
Junk. Utter junk.

^^^ Link doesn't work. I was thinking a sight picture would be near impossible as everything is so far off the face. Perhaps it will be used as some sort of gunner protection. I don't even think vehicle crew would want it as it is more junk to bang around while inside.

[Soldat_Américain]

Shhhh, it should be good. Adapt and Overcome, this provides a solution to a problem, but I would think you'd have to use it a lot in order to get used to it. Probably would take three months of training with it. Couldn't get the article you posted btw.

It's intriguing to me, but if you can't fight effectively with it than either it need more gizmos and a smart rifle or you just dont use it until you get to that point. Although I'd like to try it.

[Kap]

Shhhh, it should be good. Adapt and Overcome, this provides a solution to a problem, but I would think you'd have to use it a lot in order to get used to it. Probably would take three months of training with it. Couldn't get the article you posted btw.


Who wants to bet it probably won't be "good", it will be another cumbersome feature added on to everything else. Even though they said it doesn't weigh much, which I can believe, since the Maxillofacial shield on an HGU-56/P weighs next to nothing.

[Soldat_Américain]

Who wants to bet it probably won't be "good", it will be another cumbersome feature added on to everything else. Even though they said it doesn't weigh much, which I can believe, since the Maxillofacial shield on an HGU-56/P weighs next to nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's only use is for gunners, but it would be awesome if it could have a much broader use and application.

[flanker7]

All disadvandeges come second to the coolness factor! :-D

[FireNL]

As mentioned, it does remind me of the the Dutch galea helmet project. Seems we Dutchies are paving the path for the future :P

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/galea_helmet.jpg

[trunk_munkey28]

^^^ Link doesn't work. I was thinking a sight picture would be near impossible as everything is so far off the face. Perhaps it will be used as some sort of gunner protection. I don't even think vehicle crew would want it as it is more junk to bang around while inside.

Wierd, it worked fine last night. Google Canadian Forces Ballistic Visor and you'll probably get some pics.
I had one on trial issue and turfed it after a day. So did everybody else that tried them.

[Soldat_Américain]

Honestly it's a little bit different:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16733

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16734

[Alpha-17]

This actually looks much closer to the Future Force Warrior helmet design they started showing back in the late '90s and early this decade. Guess somebody thought to follow up on that line of thought.

[trunk_munkey28]

Honestly it's a little bit different:



Absolutely, but its the same principle; a big piece of clear plastic hanging of the front of your melon, getting in the way of your rifle sights, your NVGs, vehicle armament FCS, etc.
Revision makes the CF one, you'd think they'd have learned from our input to make the next gen better.

[Seiran]

Motorcycle helmet anybody?? lol ;)

That was my first thought too.

[LibertyUnites]

Dude

We're so close.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/LibertyUnites/masterchief.jpg

[StuRat]

Wierd, it worked fine last night. Google Canadian Forces Ballistic Visor and you'll probably get some pics.
I had one on trial issue and turfed it after a day. So did everybody else that tried them.

Edit the link so the first http:// isn't there

[trunk_munkey28]

Edit the link so the first http:// isn't there

D'oh. Recce eyes have FAILED ME.

[StuRat]

D'oh. Recce eyes have FAILED ME.

Gunners take the lead p-)

[Noble713]

Looks cool, so it must be impractical by default.

Are we REALLY losing so many people to massive facial injuries to justify this thing's widespread deployment, and any subsequent declines in overall combat performance that come with the awkward protection it provides?

[crazyman]

Pull the eye protection part of that deal WAY the eff in so that sight picture is at least feasible, and I would think about utilizing that part, IF they change it so that NVGs are usable. The full helmet would just suck in Iraq, I'd think it would turn into a full on oven in the heat there, plus your breath being directed up to your face, get that eye pro nice and foggy...yea, not a fan. Reminds me a bit of the "darth vader" masks the aviation guys wear. what can I say, I'm a "less is more" kind of guy when it comes to dismounted operations.

[Ratamacue]

Pretty damn cool. Hope I never, ever have to wear it.

[Pappy]

Yeah, looks cool. But it also looks hot, hard to breath with, and foggy. Also, I wouldn't want to aim any personal rifle with that thing on. However, that would be GREAT for humvee gunners/brad/tank gunners and BCs/TCs where their heads are the prime targets for snipers. Also those personnel don't need to bring a rifle up to aim often.

[Andreas]

HALO any one?

[brainplay]

Yeah, looks cool. But it also looks hot, hard to breath with, and foggy. Also, I wouldn't want to aim any personal rifle with that thing on. However, that would be GREAT for humvee gunners/brad/tank gunners and BCs/TCs where their heads are the prime targets for snipers. Also those personnel don't need to bring a rifle up to aim often.

Many of those gunners already had ballistic protection in the form or a PASGT, MICH, or ACH. Those helmets are not rated to stop rifle/sniper loads so its really a moot point. IED sharnel and blast is a different story but there are already limited options for that.

[szr]

Probably not ready for primetime, yet, but I can definitely see the utility of the concept for .50 gunners, tank commanders and loaders, LAV crew, truck drivers, etc.; especially if quick releases were integrated into the design so that with the push of a button or two all the peripherals would fall away leaving the wearer with a baseline ACH/LWH (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16725) ready to accept NODs.

[Pappy]

Many of those gunners already had ballistic protection in the form or a PASGT, MICH, or ACH. Those helmets are not rated to stop rifle/sniper loads so its really a moot point. IED sharnel and blast is a different story but there are already limited options for that.

Depending on the angle, they CAN stop rifle rounds. I've seen it. The only guys that died from headshots in my company were either shot in the lower forehead, or the ear, where there was no ballistic protection. I can tell you with certainty that this would have eased up some of the butt-pucker when I was returning fire from my truck and had 7.62x54 flying through the camo net on my turret.

[Soldat_Américain]

This is what I found interesting. The new rails that were developed by OpsCore that are used on this Helmet have new features:


OpsCore 2010 Helmet rail
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16735
Ops-Core introduced an update to their helmet mounted rail, so far dubbing it the 2010 Ops-Core Rail. They are aiming to keep the price the same as their older model, around $85, but adding a few more features.
The new rail, shown as a prototype above, has a retractable bungie, Oxygen mask attatchement points, chem-bio attachment points, mandible attachment anchors and an auxiliary rear rail for other items like goggles and comm gear.



Notice the attachment point on the revision helmets:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16727
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16724


Pull the eye protection part of that deal WAY the eff in so that sight picture is at least feasible, and I would think about utilizing that part, IF they change it so that NVGs are usable.

The eye pro on the Ops-Core Helmet is closer, but it was also developed with Oakley and not Revision:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16729

[crazyman]

I don't think we are all too far (meaning within the next 20 years) from a full face helmet...but when I can't A: mount NVGs, B: get anything close to a proper stock-cheek weld, and C: can't breathe without fogging up my eye pro? theres' an issue. I'm with the crowd who thinks that it would be great for gunners, TCs, etc...and hopes they never wear it. On a completely different not I am a fan of Ops-Cores' ballistic helmet.

[usa320]

Good luck getting all that crap off quickly and getting a gas mask on if a CBRN alarm goes off..

[Kap]

Good luck getting all that crap off quickly and getting a gas mask on if a CBRN alarm goes off..

The mandible is open on the bottom, in CBRN all you have to do is take off the helmet so removing the items wouldn't be required... Until you have to put the helmet back on of course. rofl

[Sand Man]

Damn, that sh!t looks cool ... though I think that face shield looks cumbersome.


I figure it will also be useless against sandstorms? :(

[vulpine]

That's what optics are for.

There's no way in hell you are going to get proper eye relief with an ACOG or M145 sight.

[Virus]

There's no way in hell you are going to get proper eye relief with an ACOG or M145 sight.

I'll just spray and pray then.

[Loen]

I'll just spray and pray then.

Enjoy not being able to hit a damn thing past 15 meters then.

[asch]

Enjoy not being able to hit a damn thing past 15 meters then.
you show him!

digging up two months old post to throw in some rubbish, nice.

[James]

^^^ Link doesn't work. I was thinking a sight picture would be near impossible as everything is so far off the face. Perhaps it will be used as some sort of gunner protection. I don't even think vehicle crew would want it as it is more junk to bang around while inside.

It doesn't seem like it would be much different than shooting with a gas mask on.

[HGRazorR]

I know I'm necroposting like hell, but did this ever get fielded? Seems like a good idea that just kind of faded away

[Soldat_Américain]

Nothing so far.