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hulaku
10-06-2009, 10:49 AM
US President Barack Obama has been accused of bowing to Chinese pressure by delaying a meeting with the Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
Mr Obama has said he will not meet the Dalai Lama, who is currently in the US, until after visiting China in November.
But human rights activists and some US lawmakers accused Mr Obama of putting economic issues first - a move the White House denied.
China, which took over Tibet in 1950, considers the Dalai Lama a separatist.
Beijing also demands that other nations do not meet the Dalai Lama, who fled into exile in India in 1959 after Chinese troops crushed an attempted uprising.
'Wrong message'
Illeana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican lawmaker on the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, said in a statement that the White House was "kowtowing" to Beijing by delaying a meeting with the spiritual leader.
Her words were echoed by Leonard Leo, chairman of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, who described the Obama administration's decision as "a strategic snub".
He said it sent "the wrong message to Beijing and to China's religious communities and rights activists".
Both Washington and the Dalai Lama's envoy played down the significance of delaying the meeting.
State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said the Dalai Lama would meet the new US co-ordinator for Tibet, Maria Otero, during his current trip.
And Lodi Gyari, the Dalai Lama's envoy, said the spiritual leader took "a broader and long-term perspective" that it was better to meet Mr Obama after his talks in China.
"The Dalai Lama has always been supportive of American engagement with China," Lodi Gyari said in a statement.
"Our hope is that the co-operative US-Chinese relationship that President Obama's administration seeks will create conditions that support the resolution of the legitimate grievances of the Tibetan people."
The Dalai Lama, who is 74, arrived in Washington on Monday. He will spend a week in the US capital after travelling around North America for a fortnight giving spiritual teachings.
The spiritual leader has met all serving US presidents since George Bush in 1991.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8291782.stm
A sign of things to come. Maybe he saw the paradep-)
Nice going Barack. Has he forgotten that China occupied Tibet? Now he's trying to please China..
happyslapper
10-06-2009, 11:04 AM
It's his job to do what is right for the USA. Looks like good judgement to me.
Solvent
10-06-2009, 12:06 PM
He is planning a big trip to China next month. Not meet with Dalai will make it easier for him.
RxOnco
10-06-2009, 12:15 PM
Good article I thought goes great with this headline as an example:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_elect_a_beta_male_as_pr_1.html#
Did We Elect a Beta Male As President?
...With his "we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" opening to the world's dictators, the President is exhibiting classic beta male behavior, in essence rolling over on his back and exposing his throat to them to make sure they know he has no intention of challenging their authority...
cn_habs
10-06-2009, 01:01 PM
Good article I thought goes great with this headline as an example:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_elect_a_beta_male_as_pr_1.html#
Did We Elect a Beta Male As President?
Are you one of the those who have been complaining about the recession and the loss of jobs?
He's doing what he believes is best for his country.
Ordie
10-06-2009, 01:11 PM
Nice going Barack. Has he forgotten that China occupied Tibet? Now he's trying to please China..
The Dalai Lama has been welcomed many times in the US and will continue to do so. Regardless if he gets an audience with the president or not.
WarriorMonk
10-06-2009, 01:44 PM
I don't think His Holiness gives a crap if he does or does not meet with the Messiah.
RxOnco
10-06-2009, 01:48 PM
Are you one of the those who have been complaining about the recession and the loss of jobs?
He's doing what he believes is best for his country.
No...I'm acutally doing quite well for myself, thanks.
TheMiddlePath
10-06-2009, 08:00 PM
The Dalai Lama has been welcomed many times in the US and will continue to do so. Regardless if he gets an audience with the president or not.
No. US uses the Dalai Lama like a pawn. If US needs China they avoid Dalai Lama. If they do not need China, they will use him to promote their own agenda.
It is clear for all to see.
And the Dalai Lama happily allow himself to be use.
Ordie
10-06-2009, 08:26 PM
And the Dalai Lama happily allow himself to be use.
Not at the expense of his people. And definately not with Mao.
http://blog.cleveland.com/world_impact/2009/03/large_Dalai-Lama-Mao-Zedong-Oct13-54.jpg
Chulo
10-06-2009, 09:12 PM
you think this was not a clue on the directions U.S is taking?
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8665/r37334969637856763.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/r37334969637856763.jpg/)
In order to save the economy and stop $3 Trillion from being dumped U.S is doing some heavy ass kissing. I just wonder where its going to stop.
LineDoggie
10-06-2009, 09:15 PM
you think this was not a clue on the directions U.S is taking?
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8665/r37334969637856763.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/r37334969637856763.jpg/)
In order to save the economy and stop $3 Trillion from being dumped U.S is doing some heavy ass kissing. I just wonder where its going to stop.
From Red Dawn remake
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/red-dawn-remake-set-photos-2.jpg
Meeting the Chinese leadership is far more important than some irrelevant relic.
Chulo
10-06-2009, 09:23 PM
From Red Dawn remake
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/red-dawn-remake-set-photos-2.jpg
LoL thanks.. i looked up some more
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3757/reddawn2010plapropagand.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/reddawn2010plapropagand.jpg/)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8469/phocathumblpropaganda18.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/phocathumblpropaganda18.jpg/)
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/411/phocathumblfriendshipce.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/phocathumblfriendshipce.jpg/)
color it blue and you got Obama posters :P
[ KOOSHAB ]
10-07-2009, 04:12 AM
If he did meet with the Dalai Lama the right would b**** that he's acting irresponsibly
by alienating the Chinese which are more influential than Tibet.
In short: Whiners whining
This reflects the decreasing confidence of the USA as a world power. I adore Mr. Obama, but this decision shows how a man who takes great pride in the teachings of Mr. King and Mahatma can crumble under the pressure of the system. This is sad. I think, India has handled the Chinese aggression well by asserting that the great Dalai Lama is free to roam around India including Tawang.
This reflects the decreasing confidence of the USA as a world power. I adore Mr. Obama, but this decision shows how a man who takes great pride in the teachings of Mr. King and Mahatma can crumble under the pressure of the system. This is sad. I think, India has handled the Chinese aggression well by asserting that the great Dalai Lama is free to roam around India including Tawang.
Well said.
LineDoggie
10-07-2009, 02:02 PM
This reflects the decreasing confidence of the USA as a world power. I adore Mr. Obama, but this decision shows how a man who takes great pride in the teachings of Mr. King and Mahatma can crumble under the pressure of the system. This is sad. I think, India has handled the Chinese aggression well by asserting that the great Dalai Lama is free to roam around India including Tawang.
Adore? isnt that another form of Idolatry?
Daft Ego
10-07-2009, 02:08 PM
Realpolitik > Idealism.
Ssandro
10-08-2009, 07:01 PM
Pandering to china doesn't impress china. The president should meet the dalai lama just to show china he can meet whoever he wants. It's funny you mention real-politik
Ordie
10-08-2009, 07:32 PM
Heaven forbid that the president conduct "diplomacy".
It's to the best interest of Tibetians that the US has strong ties with the PRC.
After this, Tibetians shouldn't need to look at USA. They should be master of their own destiny. They should be capable to decide whether they can live as a country or as a province. If, they are not capable, then they should know, USA is not also capable. USA and China engagement is purely selfish (real-politik), which has nothing to do with Tibetians.
Solvent
10-09-2009, 09:45 AM
After this, Tibetians shouldn't need to look at USA. They should be master of their own destiny. They should be capable to decide whether they can live as a country or as a province. If, they are not capable, then they should know, USA is not also capable. USA and China engagement is purely selfish (real-politik), which has nothing to do with Tibetians.
A cold world, isn't it?
What's Tibetan not capable then USA not capable either? The reality is Tibetans are always not capable, but USA somehow are capable. Truth hurts, sorry.
Ordie
10-09-2009, 09:46 AM
After this, Tibetians shouldn't need to look at USA. They should be master of their own destiny. They should be capable to decide whether they can live as a country or as a province. If, they are not capable, then they should know, USA is not also capable. USA and China engagement is purely selfish (real-politik), which has nothing to do with Tibetians.
The fact of the matter is that much of the grass roots support for the Tibetans is in the United States. The US Government has given the Dalai Lama unfettered access into the country and its lawmakers many times and will continue to do so.
What has changed is the shift from a "Free Tibet" to one of greater autonomy within China (One country two systems).
What has changed is the shift from a "Free Tibet" to one of greater autonomy within China (One country two systems). If America is serious about this new proposition, then it should accommodate heads of two system(Expected). How is it possible that a person trying to mediate between two other, close eyes to one side!!!
Ordie
10-09-2009, 03:26 PM
If America is serious about this new proposition, then it should accommodate heads of two system(Expected). How is it possible that a person trying to mediate between two other, close eyes to one side!!!
Any resolution will involve getting through the semantics of what is an internal vs. external issue.
For China they view Tibet as a strictly internal issue.
For the Dalai Lama, he wants to be treated as a co-equal to Beijing.
For the Americans, they would rather deal with China on the economy, ecology and North Korea.
The least we can expect, is for the Americans to act as an informal channel between Beijing and the Dalai Lama.
Abschaum
10-09-2009, 04:47 PM
Definitely the right thing to do, why should he meet some old fraud with no power?
Ordie
10-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Definitely the right thing to do, why should he meet some old fraud with no power?
Because the "old fraud" has many friends in the US who vote.
Ssandro
10-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Definitely the right thing to do, why should he meet some old fraud with no power?
The dalai lama has always behaved very well. He's been completely against violent protests, and always advocates compromises. If only the palestinians had a leader like the dalai lama, there wouldn't have been any terrorism
The dalai lama has always behaved very well. He's been completely against violent protests, and always advocates compromises. If only the palestinians had a leader like the dalai lama, there wouldn't have been any terrorism
And maybe if Tibet had the same leadership as the Palestinians it would have been a free country?...
Just saying...
Solvent
10-09-2009, 10:12 PM
And maybe if Tibet had the same leadership as the Palestinians it would have been a free country?...
Just saying...
Against Mao's leadership? Not even close.
CS1.6
10-10-2009, 12:32 AM
Obama will meet him at the end of this year, but not before the trip to Beijing;
I think it's smart to do so, will hurt nobody's feeling,
TheMiddlePath
10-10-2009, 01:35 AM
The main problem with Dalai Lama is that he has lost all credibility in the eyes of the Chinese.
Just look at his track record.
First he kicks out the KMT and unilaterary delare independance during the chaotic collpase of the Qing Dynasty.
Then he sign a 21 point agreement with Mao which garentee his status as serf owner and landlord. Thus he open the gates of Lhasa to PLA peacefully liberating Tibet.
Then after a trip to India he changed his mind influanced by US and UK who promised help him fight for indepandent of Tibet.
He thus revolt and started a armed rebellion against China and fled to India.
Then US needed China help against the USSR and betray and abandon him.
He then started to talk to China to try to get back his old job.
Then the USSR collapsed and TAM incident occurred. Thinking China would collapse soon he breaks off all talks with China.
When China did not collpase, he again restarted talks with China.
Then China got the olympic he joined with anti-China groups and incited the riots in Tibet. He then started to bash and humiliate China by attacking the touch run thinking his old friend the CIA (errrr NED) and his Western Masters would help him again.
Then China stood fast and hold the best Olympic ever attended by almost all world leaders (including all his western Masters).
Now he wants to reach out to Chinese people ????
Ordie
10-10-2009, 01:49 AM
The main problem with Dalai Lama is that he has lost all credibility in the eyes of the Chinese.
Just look at his track record.
First he kicks out the KMT and unilaterary delare independance during the chaotic collpase of the Qing Dynasty.
Then he sign a 21 point agreement with Mao which garentee his status as serf owner and landlord. Thus he open the gates of Lhasa to PLA peacefully liberating Tibet.
Then after a trip to India he changed his mind influanced by US and UK who promised help him fight for indepandent of Tibet.
He thus revolt and started a armed rebellion against China and fled to India.
Then US needed China help against the USSR and betray and abandon Dalai Lama.
He then started to talk to China to try to get back his old job.
Then the USSR collapsed and TAM incident occurred. Thinking China would collapse soon he breaks off all talks with China.
When China did not collpase, he again restarted talks with China.
Then China got the olympic he joined with anti-China groups and started to bash and humiliate China by attacking the touch run thinking his old friend the CIA (errrr NED) would help him again.
Then China stood fast and hold the best Olympic ever attended by almost all world leaders.
Now he wants to reach out to Chinese people ????
And it is as not if the CCP lost credibility for its past as well.
Lemonz
10-10-2009, 06:43 AM
**** the Dalai Lama.
Do any of you actually know what he stands for or what he claims to be?
hulaku
10-10-2009, 06:46 AM
**** the Dalai Lama.
Do any of you actually know what he stands for or what he claims to be?
Please enlighten us.
Robert.V
10-10-2009, 07:17 AM
you think this was not a clue on the directions U.S is taking?
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8665/r37334969637856763.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/r37334969637856763.jpg/)
In order to save the economy and stop $3 Trillion from being dumped U.S is doing some heavy ass kissing. I just wonder where its going to stop.
What else do you suggest then ? Really for god sakes man. Do you want to see your country become (worst possible case) a hell on earth ala eastern europe in the 90's ?
Then China stood fast and hold the best Olympic ever attended by almost all world leaders.
Hell no.
Lemonz
10-10-2009, 07:20 AM
Please enlighten us.
http://www.youtube.com/user/battim#p/search/0/IS-1wiwxJxE
Ssandro
10-11-2009, 12:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/battim#p/search/0/IS-1wiwxJxE
You think I'm going to take some youtube video posted by a rambling hippy seriously when you can read books.
The main problem with Dalai Lama is that he has lost all credibility in the eyes of the Chinese.
Then China got the olympic he joined with anti-China groups and incited the riots in Tibet. He then started to bash and humiliate China by attacking the touch run thinking his old friend the CIA (errrr NED) and his Western Masters would help him again.
Then China stood fast and hold the best Olympic ever attended by almost all world leaders (including all his western Masters).
Now he wants to reach out to Chinese people ????What does credibility in the eyes of the chinese population mean?
Do the chinese government have "credibility" ?
The olympic torch ceremony shouldn't have been allowed, let alone not protested against. China is a communist dictatorship. Why is hosting the olympics supposed to show anything. The 1936 olympics in berlin were also very successful, so ?
Just look at his track record.
First he kicks out the KMT and unilaterary delare independance during the chaotic collpase of the Qing Dynasty.
Then he sign a 21 point agreement with Mao which garentee his status as serf owner and landlord. Thus he open the gates of Lhasa to PLA peacefully liberating Tibet.
Then after a trip to India he changed his mind influanced by US and UK who promised help him fight for indepandent of Tibet.
He thus revolt and started a armed rebellion against China and fled to India.
Then US needed China help against the USSR and betray and abandon him.
He then started to talk to China to try to get back his old job.
Then the USSR collapsed and TAM incident occurred. Thinking China would collapse soon he breaks off all talks with China.
When China did not collpase, he again restarted talks with China. "Unilaterally" declaring independence is standard procedure. How many nations in history have bilaterally declared independence? Not italy 1866, not america 1777, not germany 1871. You have a consistent record for the leader of an invaded country. Everytime you mention he changes to a diplomatic compromise over backing an armed resistance, you should be extremely happy.
And then your strongest argument against him is that he wants people to non-violently protest against an olympic torch procession. This is not very convincing
Solvent
10-11-2009, 12:53 PM
Nobody cares about the olympics. The olympic torch ceremony shouldn't even have been allowed, let alone not protested against, given china's lack of human rights and communist dictatorship. And why is hosting the olympics supposed to show anything. The 1936 olympics in berlin were also very successful, so what?
Calm down. Olympic is beautiful.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HEndNYVhZo
Ssandro
10-11-2009, 01:11 PM
Calm down. Olympic is beautiful.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HEndNYVhZo
lol is a nice song compatible with bad politics. At least the olympics provided entertainment
Solvent
10-11-2009, 01:16 PM
lol is a nice song compatible with bad politics. At least the olympics provided entertainment
People in the tough country are happy as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7EAeINa9h8
Solvent
10-11-2009, 01:23 PM
Greetings from Beijing Special Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ktVt90c6PQ
Ordie
10-11-2009, 01:25 PM
The Olympics are done.
The 60th Anniversary Extravaganza is done.
Next year it's the Worlds Expo in Shanghai next year.
All smoke and mirrors to placate the masses and promote the legitimacy of the CCP.
Solvent
10-11-2009, 01:31 PM
The Olympics are done.
The 60th Anniversary Extravaganza is done.
Next year it's the Worlds Expo in Shanghai next year.
All smoke and mirrors to placate the masses and promote the legitimacy of the CCP.
Isn't that exciting? Every year you get something to look forward to. I am very happy America finally will make it. Welcome.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/803/18608980739120132.jpg
Ordie
10-11-2009, 02:59 PM
The only attraction in Shanghai worth enjoying is a stack of xiao long bao.
Ssandro
10-11-2009, 09:13 PM
Greetings from Beijing Special Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ktVt90c6PQ
yeah it's a cute show with the magic lights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3so3sqi8-Y&feature=related
CS1.6
10-11-2009, 10:14 PM
The only attraction in Shanghai worth enjoying is a stack of xiao long bao.
if you just found this is the only attraction in SH, then it should be a pity for your Shanghai travelling.
yeah, you can say ''I am from America, i've seen everything, and shanghai sucks!''
:)
Chulo
10-11-2009, 10:56 PM
Why are Chinese so touchy?
StinkyStreet
10-11-2009, 11:02 PM
China owns the Dollar, they threatend to dump it during the end of the Bush term. Keeping the banking system alive and keeping people in jobs and keeping imports and exports moving is far more important than a bunch of monks with beeds and begging bowls. The Tibetnicks never had a legit state anyway. The security of the US Economy comes first, dumbass political junk half way around the world comes second. Only then Obama should go back to giving the Lama and those Hollywood celebrities a rub on the butt.Obama will have plenty of time for the Lama's voodoo mysticial stuff after he's first secured another 20 trillion dollar loan from the Chinese banks.
acosta
10-11-2009, 11:20 PM
The only attraction in Shanghai worth enjoying is a stack of xiao long bao.
you will be a real attraction in Shanghai if you present yourself there cuz you are so funny.
or, isn't that the truth, shanghai is so perfect that you just simple can not enjoy the rants about china's bad things cuz you can't find "them" it in shanghai? sadly your life will full of disappointment since those "china bad" is less and even less...
so obviously your choice is staying away... and enjoy your ranting by meditation and dreaming.
TheMiddlePath
10-11-2009, 11:25 PM
The olympic torch ceremony shouldn't have been allowed, let alone not protested against. China is a communist dictatorship. Why is hosting the olympics supposed to show anything. The 1936 olympics in berlin were also very successful, so ?
Violence againt the touch bearer appears OK to you. Including allowing a Tibeten thug to attack a handicap women in a wheel chair. Sickening.
Yes the Beijing Olympic was sucessful because the boycott failed.
China stood fast and did not aplease any of the Westen European powers despite under a constant barrage of anti China bashing, biased and lying western media and constant threats of sanctions and.boycotts etc.
Heck even the leader of the pack, Sarkozy attended in the end despite being the biggest mouth calling for boycott.
Ordie
10-11-2009, 11:41 PM
if you just found this is the only attraction in SH, then it should be a pity for your Shanghai travelling.
yeah, you can say ''I am from America, i've seen everything, and shanghai sucks!''
:)
I never been to Shanghai.
But I do enjoy Xiao Long Bao.
If I'm ever there....I'm going straight to the original restaurant and order a big stack.
Anyway...I'm more interested in Shuzhou and Nanjing which are day trips from Shanghai.
TheMiddlePath
10-11-2009, 11:48 PM
And it is as not if the CCP lost credibility for its past as well.
And the CCP constantly renew itself to maintain the mandate of heaven.
Solvent
10-12-2009, 12:05 AM
Moved to other thread
Ordie
10-12-2009, 12:07 AM
And the CCP constantly renew itself to maintain the mandate of heaven.
Even though the current CCP leadership had little do to with the 100 Flowers, Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, the Communist Party today does share the collective responsibility for these events.
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