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welshmann
10-09-2009, 10:47 AM
he only surviving union jack from the Battle of Trafalgar could fetch £15,000 at auction after it was found in a drawer, auctioneers say.

The flag was flown from one of Nelson's warships, HMS Spartiate, in the naval battle off the Spanish coast in 1805.

It was presented by the 540-strong crew to Fife-born Lieutenant James Clephan after the conflict, a high honour bestowed upon an officer by his men.

The flag is being sold by one of his descendants living in Australia.

Clephan, who later went on to command his own ship, was one of the few men to have risen through the ranks and was greatly admired by his crew.

The flag, measuring 7ft 4in x 11ft 7in, is made of 31 panels sewn together by the crew on board the ship.

It bears a number of "battle scars" - holes caused by shot and shell splinter damage sustained during the conflict.

The union jack will go under the hammer later this month after being put up for sale by one of Clephan's descendants.

I think it's hard to overstate the historical importance of this flag
Charles Miller
Flag owner

It was treasured by his family, who kept it in a drawer to preserve it.

Auctioneers expect the flag to fetch £10,000 to £15,000.

Charles Miller, through his own auction house, is selling the piece in London on 21 October, Trafalgar Day.

He said the flag was the only known surviving union jack from the battle.

"I think it's hard to overstate the historical importance of this flag," he said.

"This was the greatest naval action ever fought.

"The great thing about the flag is it's one of the most emblematic items you can get from Trafalgar.

"This is a bit of naval hardware that has actually served in the action."

Clephan, from Scoonie in Fife, spent his early years as an apprentice weaver and went on to join the Merchant Navy.

He retired in 1840 with the rank of captain and lived in Edinburgh for 11 years until his death at the age of 83
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8297418.stm

Does the Royal navy have a main museum??

DPM_Sheep
10-09-2009, 11:06 AM
Does the Royal navy have a main museum??

Theres dozens but probably the National Maritime Museum at the the old Admiralty in Greenwich would fit the bill. Though I can see the museums at Glasgow, Portsmouth and Chatham looking at it with a plenty of longing, too.

oldsoak
10-15-2009, 07:03 AM
I think the Scots should have first dibs on this one - and if not them, then Pompey.

Connaught Ranger
10-15-2009, 08:48 AM
Ironically there were regulations in place in those days,

to forbid Commanding Officers from receiving "gifts" from the Other Ranks.

Nice to see a blind eye was turned to this piece of history.

Connaught Ranger.

Stainless Steel Rat
10-15-2009, 09:40 AM
Does the Royal navy have a main museum??

Not sure if it counts, but Portsmouth has HMS Victory (Nelson's flagship at Trafalgar), HMS Warrior (One of the first practical oceangoing Iron warships), and are working to recover a ship from the age of Henry VIII (the Mary rose, IIRC, it's been a while). And they used to have harbour tours of the UK naval base.

timetraveller
10-15-2009, 04:26 PM
15.000 grand for a flag that no price can really be put on imo

IMO the flag is Priceless It's worth more than any Masterpiece ..


It it has real history attached and it tells a story

Oneto15
10-21-2009, 04:59 PM
The Trafalgar Union Jack finally sold today for at total of £384000, more than 20 times its estimated price.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8318951.stm

B_706K
10-21-2009, 05:01 PM
TBH in my humble opinion, I though it'd be worth more than £15,000..

Toddy
10-21-2009, 08:06 PM
Further to that

Trafalgar flag fetches $680k at auction

From correspondents in London
AAP

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An auctioneer was "lost for words" when the Union Flag from the Battle of Trafalgar sold for $680,000. It was expected to go for $26,500.



A BRITISH flag believed to be the only surviving Union Jack from the Battle of Trafalgar has sold for a staggering £384,000 ($680,368) at auction in London.

The standard, put up for sale by its Australian-based owner, was expected to fetch in the region of £15,000 ($26,576) at the auction, which coincides with Trafalgar Day, the anniversary of the battle 204 years ago.

Auctioneer Charles Miller of [URL="http://search.news.com.au/search//0/?us=ndmnews&sid=13762&as=news&ac=ninews2&r=seealso&q=Charles Miller Ltd"]Charles Miller Ltd (http://www.news.com.au/share/popup/)said he was delighted with the price the flag achieved.
"I am absolutely lost for words, but what a victory," he said. "This demonstrates that this is a unique and charismatic artefact linked to both Nelson's greatest triumph and the greatest naval battle of all time - the Battle of Trafalgar, which took place exactly 204 years today."

Mr Miller had described the flag, marked by shot and still bearing a faint scent of gunpowder, as extremely evocative.
"Any artefact from Trafalgar is significant, but the national emblem, battle-scarred to boot, is going to be in the next league," he said.

On October 21, 1805, 27 British ships under Admiral Lord Nelson's command squared up to 33 French and Spanish vessels west of Cape Trafalgar, on the southwest coast of Spain. Nelson's forces sank 22 enemy ships without losing one of his own.

The victory confirmed Britain's naval supremacy and ended Napoleon Bonaparte's hopes of invading the British isles.
The flag flew above HMS Spartiate in the sea battle. Its 540 crew had stitched it together from 31 panels. After the conflict, they presented it to their Lieutenant, James Clephan, in recognition of his bravery.
The flag was put up for sale by one of his descendants, who lives in Australia.

Toddy
10-21-2009, 08:09 PM
The Trafalgar Union Jack finally sold today for at total of £384000, more than 20 times its estimated price.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8318951.stm

sorry mate missed your post :)

VAMAN
10-21-2009, 08:11 PM
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Billy No Mates
10-22-2009, 03:08 AM
It would still be cheap at twice the price,given it's provenance it is a priceless artifact .