the let's bash G.W. Bush thread....

[commanding]

1. I was and still am a G.W. Bush supporter, however there seems to be a lot of anger about G.W. Bush, still seething in America. I am curious as to the exact reasons for this hatred of Pres. Bush. By that I invite any of you Obama supporters, Democrats, Clinton supporters etc, to tell me exactly why you disliked George W. Bush so vehemently. Please don't get into how much you disliked Bush, rather I would like to know specific things that the then Pres. Bush did that angered you.

Fire for effect.

[Zarak]

I'm ambivalent. I'm still unhappy that the premises for the war with Iraq were such boldfaced lies (Ties to Al Qaeda, WMDs, et al.) and in fact knew that they were lies at the time. But lesson learned, I don't go out of my way to bitch about it, I've believed that ever since we were there we needed to win it (and possibly drop the Code Pink bitches out of a B-52 at 40,000 ft.).

Otherwise, I don't have any problems with G. W. that I don't have with the government in general.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Bush could have gone down in history as the President who defeated Islamic Extremism. Instead he wanted Saddam. (A secular dude) and lied about the reasons to do so. He tried to remove many liberties.

Should I go on?

[commanding]

Bush could have gone down in history as the President who defeated Islamic Extremism. Instead he wanted Saddam. (A secular dude) and lied about the reasons to do so. He tried to remove many liberties.

Should I go on?
please do.

[little icebear]

Steven Colberts little rant at the White House Correspondents' Dinner summed it up quiet nicely.

Apart from that, it is a question of individual cynicism how one regards the neoconservative take on foreign policy and how it was sold to the public... the PNAC/AEI/PNAC - Crowd did what they did for what they regarded to be the best for the Greater Good, I guess.
The intervention both in Iraq and in Afghanistan was somewhat like a continuation of the Cold War policy of the Rollback or Reagan Doctrine - but this time without competion against the Soviet Union and not directed against soviet-communist influence in the 3rd World, but torwards undesirable regimes in general.

That´s my uneducated POV. :)

Now, one could indeed argue that this vision is not the worst thing - a glorious crusade for freedom and democracy, if you will. p-)

But as far as I´m concerned its not worth the price that had to be paid and is still being paid.

However - I have not clue what "Obama supporters, Democrats, Clinton supporters etc" have to do with that? Are you asking for partisan opinions or what?
AFAIK, plenty of Democrats gave their blessing to the Neocon take on reality...

[plato]

1. I was and still am a G.W. Bush supporter, however there seems to be a lot of anger about G.W. Bush, still seething in America. I am curious as to the exact reasons for this hatred of Pres. Bush. By that I invite any of you Obama supporters, Democrats, Clinton supporters etc, to tell me exactly why you disliked George W. Bush so vehemently. Please don't get into how much you disliked Bush, rather I would like to know specific things that the then Pres. Bush did that angered you.

Fire for effect. I would like to just add "Americans" before that "etc". That is all.

As for me, I don't know him, so there is no dislike or like from me towards him.

[Solvent]

What Bush has done is based on the circumstance at that time. It's hard to say right or wrong about him. Probably the biggest mistake of him is he didn't win the war fast and easy. But what you know, things are not always going the direction you wanted.

I actually like this person. He is so funny. Never forgot how much happy time he brought to us.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7369/bush1.jpg

[commanding]

I would like to just add "Americans" before that "etc". That is all.

As for me, I don't know him, so there is no dislike or like from me towards him.
Actually I left it open to non Americans on purpose....even though they don't vote, there was a lot of hatred of Bush by non-americans, and i would like to hear specific events or Bush decisions/ policies that turned them against Pres. Bush.

[commanding]

However - I have not clue what "Obama supporters, Democrats, Clinton supporters etc" have to do with that? Are you asking for partisan opinions or what?


It wasn't my intent to only invite specific groups for partisan opinons....I just assumed that most Obama or Clinton supporters were not Bush supporters. Heck any republicans, are welcome to also specify things that turned them against Bush. I am mainly curious to hear the reasoning and specific events.

[3rdMillhouse]

The one thing I dislike a about the funniest american president in history is the war in Iraq, it was based on lies. The US war machine has crippled this country, turning it into a perfect "MOUT" training ground for terrorists all over the world, and now thanks to the democrats pinkos, the US is leaving this country way before the Iraqis are really capable of defending themselves against the terrorists and insurgents.

[Umbro2914]

- No Child Left Behind
- Patriot Act
- Faulty economic planning
- *** Not staying true to his platform.

[Ameen]

As an Arab and a Muslim, it felt like he had declared war on us (especially with comments like "if you're not with us, you are against us"). Also, his unconditional support for Israel no matter what, was a major flashpoint for me. Basically, his foreign policy was the major reason why I hated him, but I found many other smaller reasons as his terms went on.

[Schpetzka]

Starting the Iraq war though I've fully supported it since believing that we need to win there.

Patriot Act

Creating the dept. of homeland security, I think it's redundant and unnecessary.

Tax cuts when I felt the deficit should have been reduced first.

Not banning the limited water boarding that did happen.

His keeping Rumsfeld and Gonzales around for so long.

Having said these I'd like to point out that I've never hated the guy. I dislike his policies and do defend him on some things such as his quickness to go into Afghanistan.

[Rossdobby]

Bush was a good man he had the best intentions for america and the moves he made after sept 11 were correct. However the handling of Iraq was disgraceful to both america and the bush family however in the end they did win.

My biggest problem was he made decisions based on bad intelligence and trusted everyone around him to much which led to alot of bad policies (use of light torture). However he was a funny man that i believed worked hard I have alot of respect for him for someone that did so much wrong he came out right.

[kc135cc]

Bush could have been a great President. Instead, he employed people who destroyed his basis, and all moral and ethical decision making went out the window....:cantbeli:

[matthew.manhorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc

For failing to keep his promises

and a slap to the face to all moderate, traditional Republicans with his Neocon socialist policies

[dredger14]

For failing to keep his promises

and a slap to the face to all moderate, traditional Republicans with his Neocon socialist policies

9/11 changed all that, though I wasn't against the war in Afghanistan, I couldn't believe that they would invade Iraq, for all his faults Saddam was not a Wahhabi Fundamentalist.

The greatest enemies of the US that had a hand in 9/11 are thriving, the Iraqis for no fault of their own paid a heavy price.

[JKD]

I was about to post that video too^

I voted for him in 2000. He was a candidate talking about amongst other things a "humble foreign policy", fiscal discipline, and how Clinton had overextended the military.

I disliked his bull in a china shop foreign policy.

I dislike the level of politicization at the Justice department.

I dislike Rumsfeld.

I dislike that he took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan which was directed at people who had attacked us in order to go into Iraq which had not.

I dislike the weird sort of political culture that grew up around him post-9/11 and the politicization of words like patriot, liberty, and freedom. And the sort of "why do you hate America?" attitude directed towards those who disagreed with his policy. I know because I had that same attitude early on. These days it seems any criticism of that administration is dismissed with "Bush derangement syndrome"

I didn't like his policy on the environment

I didn't like his anti-intellectualism

I feel he stained the honorable reputation of this nation with his enhanced interrogations.

[FlintHillBilly]

Love Bush. The only thing i am upset about is that he did not declare martial law and give himself more time at being President. That being said, i will always be bitter.
rofl

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Bush could have been the president that united people of all races. Instead, we found out that George Bush doesn't care about black people.

He could have ended America's endless see-sawing over Mideast conflicts by mobilizing every American over 18, bombing the ME flat, including the cities, and building a nice big mall there. Instead, he subjected us to a limited war that got us nowhere. Blowing up stuff does nothing. You have to kill off all the people (and/or make them slaves)...you'd think his generals would have told him that.

He could have ended hunger in Africa by cutting off all our billions in aid and forcing them to get their sh*t together once and for all. Instead, he increased the aid they get, and doomed them to an endless loop of dependency.

He could have ensured I had a massive ***** 24/7 by putting Enzyte and Viagra in the drinking water. Instead, he did nothing and forced me to keep returning to the internet again and again.

[Ordie]

Bush entered office in a messy election result without a clear overwhelming mandate of the voters.

So from the very beginning he was behind an 8-ball. It was during the times of crisis where the American people rallied around the president. But I think he squandered that opportunity with Iraq.

Hurricane Katrina was the last straw and he never recovered from that point on.

If it wasn't for 9-11, he would've reformed immigration for the better.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/George_W_Bush_approval_ratings_with_events.svg/742px-George_W_Bush_approval_ratings_with_events.svg.png

[Elbs]

He never returned the shovel I lent him.

[BlackFlag]

Isn't this thread a bit late.

Anyways, Bush was some phony-baloney "Less Government" Republican, he proved that in passing the Patriot Act. (And Obama doesn't seem inclined to remove it)

Screw Bush and Screw Obama.


Vote Libertarian.

[CS1.6]

hey, i am not an American but may i say something here?

It's very interesting that both Bill Cliton and G.W. Bush are very widely respected and liked by the Chinese.

If there is a supportive rate poll in China about these two guys, the results could be higher than in your own country.

But i am not so sure we like Obama as the same.

you can just ignore my post and go on your discussion.

[Curtis E. Bear]

The war in Iraq was obviously based on faulty intelligence and other motives, but I can't really understand why people are mad at Bush himself. Yes, he lied, but it was Congress that unconstitutionally delegated the decision to go to war to the President. Shouldn't more people be outraged at that fact and not that he tried to lie in order to go to war? If Congress had done it's duty, this whole debacle might not have ever happened.

[Hilbert]

- No Child Left Behind
- Policy of containment towards Russia
- Iraq War (plenty of blame for Congress as well).
- The bullsh*t promises of a humble foriegn policy, less Clinton-style gunboat diplomacy and then taking us all over the place and following the time honored tradition of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong (Afghanistan I fully support).
- Advisors he chose to surround himself with (Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.)
- Creating Department of Homeland Secruity
- Anti-Stem Cell Research
- Patriot Act

I'm conservative but I'm not Republican.

As BlackFlag85 said, screw the Bush, screw Obama. I'll take that sentiment a step farther and say screw both the Democratic and Republican parties.

[Elbs]

lol Congress... duty...?

In the same sentence? Don't be a joker :)

[NeoConPatriot]

You can say Bush caused the economic crisis, made the world hate us etc.... But the fact is that each year he was in office my quality of life steadily improved. He's outta office less than a year and I lose my job along with 10,000 co-workers and 15 million other Americans.

That may be a shallow, excluseive, view but I can honestly say my life was better when Bush was in office.

[Ordie]

hey, i am not an American but may i say something here?

It's very interesting that both Bill Cliton and G.W. Bush are very widely respected and liked by the Chinese.

If there is a supportive rate poll in China about these two guys, the results could be higher than in your own country.

But i am not so sure we like Obama as the same.

you can just ignore my post and go on your discussion.

I think the Chinese public are enamored with US presidents because they are always engaging with the public and press with a lot of personality and charisma. It's something that they do not expect and see in their own leadership.

As for policy, the CCP prefers to deal with realist Republicans than ideological Democrats. However Obama has been giving a lot of deference to China on major issues.

[AroundTheCorner]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9625/9georgebush.jpg

[Soldat_Américain]

Because the turkeys he pardoned committed crimes and the next year received the death penalty and were served as thanksgiving dinner. :)

[Meatwad]

He never forgot Poland.

[matthew.manhorn]

hey, i am not an American but may i say something here?

It's very interesting that both Bill Cliton and G.W. Bush are very widely respected and liked by the Chinese.

If there is a supportive rate poll in China about these two guys, the results could be higher than in your own country.

But i am not so sure we like Obama as the same.

you can just ignore my post and go on your discussion.

Clinton wasn't really that popular in China due to the bombing of the Chinese embassy in the Yugoslavia, and the pilot accident that occured. TBH Clinton was way more anti-China / Russia than GWB due to Kosovo

[I can't think of a name]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9625/9georgebush.jpg

I guess it is taboo to use this joke on Obama. Plenty of mid word images around

[Surf City]

Can't stand Obama but since this is about GW...

1. No Child Left Behind

2. Illegal Immigration record (i.e. Catch and Release, decline in arrests, screwing the border patrol, sucking on Vincente Fox's ballz, etc.)

3. Having the respect of the Chinese

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Because the turkeys he pardoned committed crimes and the next year received the death penalty and were served as thanksgiving dinner. :)

Your post prompted me to look up the people Bush actually did pardon. In stark contrast to Clinton- who pardoned terrorists and people who were within his little circle of filth, he was really pretty conservative with his pardons. I don't remember seeing a single news story about them. Kind of lame for a man who would be king.

And apart from Scooter Libby who went down for lying - for all the talk about blatantly breaking the law...where are the hearings? Where are the inquests, and the arrests and the people in jail? Truth be told, Obama has carried right on with all the stuff that made Bush the next Hitler (gitmo, warrantless wiretaps, wars etc.) , but now it's apparently perfectly OK. Well more than OK really...now it's worthy of a Nobel Prize.

[Chimera]

I don't dislike the guy, I found him hilarious personnaly. He was kind of a North American Berlusconi.

"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." GW Bush.

[Curtis E. Bear]

Can't stand Obama but since this is about GW...

1. No Child Left Behind

2. Illegal Immigration record (i.e. Catch and Release, decline in arrests, screwing the border patrol, sucking on Vincente Fox's ballz, etc.)

3. Having the respect of the Chinese

So wait, you dislike him because the Chinese liked him? Retarded much?

[Evolv5]

You can say Bush caused the economic crisis, made the world hate us etc.... But the fact is that each year he was in office my quality of life steadily improved. He's outta office less than a year and I lose my job along with 10,000 co-workers and 15 million other Americans.

That may be a shallow, excluseive, view but I can honestly say my life was better when Bush was in office.

Sure, but whoever thinks that a new president would be able to save the economy with the snap of his fingers needs to get his head out of his/her rear.
I could argue that the reason why you don't have a job, is because of Bush, but it is Obama who has to clean up the mess.

The economy doesn't follow election dates.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if America (Bush) didn't invade Iraq.

I just read a report from saying that if the Bush administration had been concentrating more on the presence of WMDs rather than trying to put terrorism/Al Qaida into the mix, they would've probably gotten more support.
Probably even a UN intervention force if they waited a couple months.
But, they were keen to jump the gun.

But hey, this is just speculation.

[kitatatsumi]

As far as reasons, I have nothing extra to add.
I just want to say, that while I am someone you'd consider Liberal, not all of us hate him. He was my President and I always gave him the benefit of the doubt and did my best to be positive and support his decisions.

As an American backpacking through/studying in Europe in 2003, it was the international c@ck-block-al-la GWB which was unforgivable.

[PeterG]

1. I was and still am a G.W. Bush supporter, however there seems to be a lot of anger about G.W. Bush, still seething in America. I am curious as to the exact reasons for this hatred of Pres. Bush. By that I invite any of you Obama supporters, Democrats, Clinton supporters etc, to tell me exactly why you disliked George W. Bush so vehemently. Please don't get into how much you disliked Bush, rather I would like to know specific things that the then Pres. Bush did that angered you.

Fire for effect.

Not 'angered' by Bush, as much as in disbelief by him. Bush must have been a graduate of the Andrei Gromyko school of charm, and also the worst speaker in recent history. Barely able to speak coherent sentences, he seemed more or less unable to explain the simplest thought. Sometimes i even got the feeling he must be slightly retarded when watching him.

Bush was perhaps not helped either, by people such as Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. Boy, have they been silent on their 'accomplishments' since 2001.

In comparison, i think Obama is a very intelligent man, and an accomplished speaker. Unfortunately, he has also inherited an economy in ruins, a war or two, and a US in decline in general. I do hope he succeeds though, in his presidency. The western world needs a strong America!

[Goldfishsoldier]

A very entertaining man to watch. If he didn't surrond himself with war mongering, ape-minded advisors he wouldn't have gotten into such a huge mess.

He was a man... misunderestimated.

[Wimbly]

Bush could have gone down in history as the President who defeated Islamic Extremism. Instead he wanted Saddam. (A secular dude) and lied about the reasons to do so. He tried to remove many liberties.


There were no lies. If there were the whole government was in on it. People who really beleive Bush lied, tend not to have much of an understand of how we got to Iraq to begin with. They know nothing about UNSCOM or how close we came to invasion under Clinton. They don't blame Clinton or any Democrats for "lies" even tough these people were out ceerleading for invasion.

The hatred against Bush is largely due to the non-stop attack campaign by the media. Sure he made some mistakes, but the level of hatred just isn't rational. Now with Obama is the exact opposite. The media does everything it can to defend the president, portray him as some kind of genius and attack his critics as racists and terrorists. Which is ironoicly, making a lot of people hate Obama.

[Mordoror]

not specially angered by Bush as a personn (in fact there was so many times he gave ma good laughs that i cannot hate him)
it is more about is gov and councellors : Cheney, Wolfowicz, Pearl....

all hard core neo-cons with a black and white view of the wordl
"those who aren't with us are against us"

and it finished with a nice french bashing just because we said no to war in Irak (based on the lack of proofs of WMD and the way the spin and lies were made by the US gov in UN councils)
even if at that time * we had soldiers dying in Astan alongside US troops
even if at that time *France was ready to be part of the Irak operation IF it was proven that Saddam was stockpiling true WMD weapons (and not a white "who knows what it is" powder in a vial)

the same with the old way of dealing with international policy : "do what we say, not what we do" (protectionnism of Boeing when in the same time whining about free market and WTO, pointing at some "evil" states or groups when in the same time supporting some nasty ones, whining about the rights of Afghan people when in the same time the Patriot Act was reducing rights of the american people and so on, and so on.....)

what was also disgusting was the mix between policy and big companies (Cheney and KBR, Cheney and Chevron, Wolfowicz and don't remember if it is Rayton or BAE US ....). That made any move very suspicious, making wonder what was the true purpose of the Iraki war sometimes

finally the lack of long term view about economy/ecology balance. We are all living on the same planet and everything has a consequence even 7000 km away
allowing to drill in National Parks (Alaska), giving free hands to some "not so environment and human gently" companies was in my point of view also a big mistake

to conclude the Bush gov appeared greedy, warmongering and bullying
it acted like the big strong guy in a schoolyard : i am the strong one so i can beat you, take your lunch and poo in your desk if i want and because of that you'll better to be my minion....

so yes i hated the Bush gov policy, not Bush personnaly (in fact i wonder how far he had control over his councilors, i guess not a lot, for me he was more like a pupet in the hand of the neo-cons falcons ....)

[commanding]

Keep talking lads, I am listening.

adding links on "no child left behind" wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act


and the patriot act:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act


and Rumsfeld:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld

and VP Cheney:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_cheney

[commanding]

hey, i am not an American but may i say something here?

It's very interesting that both Bill Cliton and G.W. Bush are very widely respected and liked by the Chinese.

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I'm sorry, this was likely just a typing error, but I couldn't help but laugh my arse off! p-) Not making fun of you just of the unfortunate typing error!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris

[LineDoggie]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9625/9georgebush.jpg Ahh yes, but use the delonas cartoon and your suddenly a "RAAAAACCCCCIIIIIST!" from the left.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/obamagay.jpg

[little icebear]

There were no lies. If there were the whole government was in on it. People who really beleive Bush lied, tend not to have much of an understand of how we got to Iraq to begin with. They know nothing about UNSCOM or how close we came to invasion under Clinton. They don't blame Clinton or any Democrats for "lies" even tough these people were out ceerleading for invasion.

Politicians don´t necessarily vote for what they believe to be right and true, but they often adopt to what is fashionable.
Again - your point is focussed around partisanship, as if the critique torwards Bush´s foreign policy was invalidated as long as you can say "the Dems voted for the invasion too".



The hatred against Bush is largely due to the non-stop attack campaign by the media.

The same liberal media that turned into Chicom-style 100% Pro-Gubbermentpropaganda-TV from 9/11 on, until roundabout +3 years later?
Maybe they felt like they had to make up for their failure of providing something that resembles respectable journalism after 9/11.

[West Texican]

The deceitful and hyperbolic nature of the modern MSM completely stifles any attempt to understand the presidency. Each year it becomes worse.

[commanding]

Now that many of you have had your say on George W. Bush bashing, I will have my say. I am sure most of you will consider me an idiot, or “neocon” or some other unflattering term, and that is your right. Just as it is my right to have my views. I understand that I will not change your views of Bush and that is not my intent, rather only to express some of my views. These are my views on Bush and some of the comments:

I consider President G.W. Bush one of the greatest presidents of recent history, perhaps just behind Ronald Reagan. Sure Bush had/has difficulties “speaking” in public. For that I do not fault him as I can easily overlook that. Most humans have difficulty speaking in public.

As for the invasion of Iraq, it was based on faulty intelligence provided by the CIA and other covert intelligence, and it was voted on and passed by the legislative branch and backed by them, so I can not fault Bush for that. In retrospect, maybe it was bad, maybe it was good, history will tell 50 years from now. Mostly I grieve for the people who died in the war.

As for complaints about “no child left behind”, that was intended to be good legislation and run thru the senate by Ted Kennedy, and passed by the congress. Enough said.

As for the gripes about the “patriot act”, this occurred after 9-11 and is intended to protect the population of the USA. The patriot act does not threaten law abiding citizens of the USA. In fact it reduces liberty of US citizens much less that TAXES on a personal level. No citizen of the US really escapes taxes ( if on themselves, their property, their employees, their purchases, etc) but virtually no one suffers from the patriot act provisions, so I think this is pure bull sh1t.

As for the complaints about Bush surrounding himself with “hawks” and idiots, some named included Donald Rumsfeld, I also disagree with that. Sure he surrounded himself with capable administers; Rumsfeld is a military veteran and a VERY capable administrator as were **** Cheney (not a vet but a very sharp administrator).

A lot of the other criticisms were things like “he didn’t like China” or “he didn’t like France” etc. Those things are pure BS and anyone thinking right, knows that a head of state, has to maintain good relations with other superpowers.

A couple of people mentioned they thought that Bush was not intelligent. Just because the man was not an eloquent speaker in public, does not mean he isn’t intelligent. Get a grip. Pres. Bush graduated from the University of Texas and Yale University! On top of that he served as very successful governor of Texas, during which Texas had a budget surplus, a tax cut, and programs that reduced domestic violence and promoted non governmental aid to the needy. His plans for his presidency included similar ideas, which were unfortunately over-shadowed by the attack of September 11th, 2001, which precipitated large scale military operations to destroy those responsible.

Many posters made note of their distaste for Bush’s speech of “you’re either with us or against us” saying this was either a slander against Arabs or Muslims, or a slander against the French etc. I call BS on those accusations also. The speech was made in the context of the aftermath of the Sept. 11th attacks and the harboring of Al Quaida terrorist headquarters and training camps in Afghanistan, and other nations. What Bush was doing was explaining to the world that the USA was going to go after the AQ terrorists and there would be no place for them to hide, none. The USA was going to hunt down and kill the AQ people responsible for the deaths of 3,000 American citizens inside our homeland, in an unprovoked surprise attack. Just as those of you in other countries would do, if some terrorist group killed 3,000 of your citizens in your homeland.

President Bush is an honest, and good man, and an intelligent man, and a good administrator and knows how to delegate authority. Personally I don’t know why anyone would want to become president of the US, considering the vilifying of the person which is inevitable, no matter which party or persuasion he subscribes.

I believe President Bush would have had a very different presidency if Sept. 11th had not occurred, but as the old saying goes--- “if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas”. It is history now. Glad you all could vent your spleens on why you hate Bush and glad I could read the reasons as I learned some from your posts.

Carry on bashing Bush as you wish. I will still be reading your posts with care.
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[Wimbly]

Politicians don´t necessarily vote for what they believe to be right and true, but they often adopt to what is fashionable.
Again - your point is focussed around partisanship, as if the critique torwards Bush´s foreign policy was invalidated as long as you can say "the Dems voted for the invasion too".

No, its based on the facts. Facts that some people find inconvenient and would dismiss in favor of the partisan Bush bashing.

UNSCOM was a complete failure which is one of the big reasons many thought he had WMD. If you look at the polls in 1998, support for an Iraq invasion was in the 80s. Did Bush somehow travel back in time and lie?


The same liberal media that turned into Chicom-style 100% Pro-Gubbermentpropaganda-TV from 9/11 on, until roundabout +3 years later?I've been a journalist for nearly a decade and I don't remember what you're talking about. The media was nice to Bush for about a week after 9/11 (before that they were attacking him as selected not elected) and then started the "connect the dots" rhetoric that eventually turned in the Bush derangement syndrome. The media made it their mission to torpedo Bush at every turn and thats why most of the hate for him exists the way it does. Democrats in the media were damn near gleeful about bad news from Iraq, purely because it helped Democrats politically. Harry Reid even declared defeat in the middle of the surge!

Now they attack Republicans as the Taliban for disagreeing that Obama deserved the Nobel Prize.



Maybe they felt like they had to make up for their failure of providing something that resembles respectable journalism after 9/11.They're making up for their "failure", by becoming government laps dogs for Democrats and attacking Americans who dare disagree with Obama?

[JKD]

Something fairly petty, but still something that has annoyed me greatly for the last eight years: "Homeland". Homeland? What're we Klingons? Some obscure Eastern Bloc country? "Ve must protect zee homeland." Homeland?

How about nation? Department of National Security. Sounds a little more American to me.

[Solvent]

Carry on bashing Bush as you wish. I will still be reading your posts with care.


I still think he is a terrific human being. At least he is much better than the one who said:"I did not have *** with that woman."

[Gat0r]

Commanding you obviously don't know what you're talking about reguarding the Patriot Act. Just spewing mindless rhetoric about it won't cut it. Some people are just easily persuaded by things that are given a rosey name, that put so much blind faith in government officials, do some research on the issue, i'll help you out.

The Patriot Act does attack law abiding citizens

Last March, Sally Harpold of Clinton, Indiana bought a one box of Zyrtec-D cold medicine for her husband. A few days later, she bought a single box of Mucinex-D for her adult daughter, who is the mother of triplets.

Four months later, Mrs. Harpold and her husband were awakened at daybreak by the always unwelcome sound of police banging on their front door. She was arrested and taken away in handcuffs for the purported crime of purchasing more than 3.0 grams of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine (PSE) within a seven-day period.

The grandmother saw her picture plastered on the front page of the local statist media organ (also known as the Terre Haute Tribune-Star newspaper) under the headline “17 Arrested in Drug Sweep.” Charged under Indiana “law” 35-48-4-14.7, Mrs. Harpold faced the prospect of 60 days in jail and a $500 fine — as punishment for buying legal over-the-counter cold preparations in quantities the state’s parasite class considers inappropriate.

Vermillion County Prosecutor Nina Alexander, of out the supposed goodness of what passes for her heart, allowed the innocent grandmother to go through a “deferral” program: In exchange for paying the court costs run up in prosecuting her for doing nothing, Mrs. Harpold (who had never been in trouble with the “law” before) would have her record expunged.
Alexander acknowledges that the grandmother is innocent of criminal intent, and that her actions were not criminal in se. However, she maintains, “I’m simply enforcing the law as it was written,” and that she will continue to monitor pharmacy records to “prosecute people who violate this law.”

“Sometimes mistakes happen,” comments Sheriff Jon Marvel of neighboring Vigo County. “But for the good of everyone, the law was put into effect. I feel for [Mrs. Harpold], but if she could go to one of the area hospitals and see a baby born to a meth-addicted mother….”

Marvel didn’t finish that thought, because it was a crashing non-sequitir. Harpold has never had anything to do with the production or consumption of methamphetamine. Nothing the government of Indiana is doing to restrict purchases of ephedrine or PSE has depleted the available supply. The same is true of other state-level efforts nation-wide to enforce the “Combat Methamphetamine Act of 2005,” which was grafted onto the renewed USA PATRIOT Act.

During World War II,the government actively encouraged amphetamine consumption by combat pilots to fight fatigue (and it still permits — or even compels — the use of amphetamine by those it dispatches on killing errands abroad). Meth itself is a by-product of the so-called War on Drugs: When the government in 1988 clamped down on the P2P precursor used to produce amphetamines, some chemists switched to ephedrine, and the latest civilization-imperiling “plague” was born.

It bears repeating: The only things that government “makes” are criminals out of innocent people, and corpses out of living human beings

Here's a little more for you
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=26243

[Gat0r]

And I doubt you know anything about the National Security Letters. The Patriot Act allows Federal Agents to write their own search warrants, they can go into your bank, doctor's office, any place where you've bought an item, your lawyer, and so on. If that isn't scarey it gets worse, the law prohibits your banker, lawyer, doctor from informing you that a Federal agent has obtained information about you, they could be criminaly prosecuted for doing so.

Former Federal Judge Andrew Napolitano can explain the atrociousness of the Patriot Act for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI

[Umbro2914]

I consider President G.W. Bush one of the greatest presidents of recent history, perhaps just behind Ronald Reagan.

Tis a shame.
I could never trust, nor like, nor admire anyone who did not stay true to their word. And please dont give me the 9/11 garbage.

[LineDoggie]

And yet for the whining it was the Man who said "We have nothing to Fear, except fear Itself" who feared 120,000 Fellow Americans and sent them to concentration camps under executive order# 9066

Franklin
Delano
Roosevelt

It was FDR who started warrantless wiretaps against his enemies and even his own wife.

So Spare me the Patriot Act Boogeyman bit from the Ron Paul Revolution press secretary and his blog

[Umbro2914]

And yet for the whining it was the Man who said "We have nothing to Fear, except fear Itself" who feared 120,000 Fellow Americans and sent them to concentration camps under executive order# 9066

Franklin
Delano
Roosevelt

It was FDR who started warrantless wiretaps against his enemies and even his own wife.

So Spare me the Patriot Act Boogeyman bit from the Ron Paul Revolution press secretary and his blog

oh so FDR did it, its OK. :roll:
You might be more convincing if you werent so offensive.

[Mordoror]

And yet for the whining it was the Man who said "We have nothing to Fear, except fear Itself" who feared 120,000 Fellow Americans and sent them to concentration camps under executive order# 9066

Franklin
Delano
Roosevelt

It was FDR who started warrantless wiretaps against his enemies and even his own wife.

And ?? the point is ??

FDR is dead and eaten by the worms
putting it on the table doesn't make others's mistakes less bad
on the contrary, the example should have not been followed

so please spare us the comparison BS, you are going to win the godpoint because it can bring you up to Adolf ....

[LineDoggie]

Please, Paulistas crap on everyone and then moan when their boy gets criticized. The shrieking about the Patriot Act is lame

There are no FEMA death camps

No one is rounding up Citizens in the dark like the SD

This is just a cartoon

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/UNhelo.jpg

[Weasel]

I still think he is a terrific human being. At least he is much better than the one who said:"I did not have *** with that woman."

Lying about having *** with a woman is of course much worse than lying about WMD and killing thousands. Only in America....

[commanding]

Commanding you obviously don't know what you're talking about reguarding the Patriot Act. Just spewing mindless rhetoric about it won't cut it. Some people are just easily persuaded by things that are given a rosey name, that put so much blind faith in government officials, do some research on the issue, i'll help you out.

The Patriot Act does attack law abiding citizens



Gat0r, maybe someday we will all be as enlightened as you.

[gazell]

I'm sorry, this was likely just a typing error, but I couldn't help but laugh my arse off! p-) Not making fun of you just of the unfortunate typing error!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris

Sorry, not making fun of you, just saying, you are sick for such 'humour'. And at all for posting this thread.

Just carry on, I watch with interest.

[Gat0r]

And yet for the whining it was the Man who said "We have nothing to Fear, except fear Itself" who feared 120,000 Fellow Americans and sent them to concentration camps under executive order# 9066

Franklin
Delano
Roosevelt

It was FDR who started warrantless wiretaps against his enemies and even his own wife.

So Spare me the Patriot Act Boogeyman bit from the Ron Paul Revolution press secretary and his blog

Wtf does this have to do with Ron Paul? Spare me your childish rants, the facts speak for themselves you can continue to dismiss and mock the glaring facts of an overwhelming centralization of Federal and executive power, i'm sorry you have no concept of a what a free society is, go ahead and worship statism and militarism it leads to disaster. I believe this was a thread on Bush, not about the atrocities committed by past presidents.

[LineDoggie]

Isnt it time for Aimee Allen to screech a song about Paul? Sorry I just love the way you all go beserk over "de ebil pat riot act, how 9/11 was a inside job and Obama is Kenyan...."

everytime I see Paul I see Huey Long

[Bia]

1. I was and still am a G.W. Bush supporter, however there seems to be a lot of anger about G.W. Bush, still seething in America. I am curious as to the exact reasons for this hatred of Pres. Bush. By that I invite any of you Obama supporters, Democrats, Clinton supporters etc, to tell me exactly why you disliked George W. Bush so vehemently. Please don't get into how much you disliked Bush, rather I would like to know specific things that the then Pres. Bush did that angered you.

Fire for effect.
Easy... he dodged Vietnam... then **** talked men that went.

McCain should have just beat him like a red headed step child a few years back.

[HollywoodMarine]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/cntrymomvm/MissMeYet.jpg

[Surf City]

So wait, you dislike him because the Chinese liked him? Retarded much?

Take the enormous stick outta your ass....it was meant as a joking response to the previous post about the Chinese's respect of GW.

A-hole much?

[BearInBunnySuit]

I liked him, not as much as his dad but still thought he tried his best.

[OMON]

http://aspirinab.weblog.com.pt/bush_binoculars.jpg

[eATS]

whatever, Bush was better than this Joke we got now... bash on. i Don't care, i'll gladly shake the mans hand and say Thanks

[Umbro2914]

Isnt it time for Aimee Allen to screech a song about Paul? Sorry I just love the way you all go beserk over "de ebil pat riot act, how 9/11 was a inside job and Obama is Kenyan...."

everytime I see Paul I see Huey Long

wow, your even more uneducated then I first persumed. Please find me in this thread where even once the words "inside job" or "kenyan" are mentioned...

go spread your lies and hate somewhere else. this thread is about Bush, not Paul.

[marlowwe]

He was the president who, above all his predecessors, showed the world how deeply the American population is controlled in the interests of the elite. It's kind of sad really.

[ingsoc75]

Ah the Patriot Act and my cold/allergy medicine. :roll:

I do miss being able to buy pseudoephedrine over the counter. Actifed, which really worked for me as an allergy medicine, changed their whole formula with a pseudoephedrine free version and it does not work.

[kc135cc]

whatever, Bush was better than this Joke we got now... bash on. i Don't care, i'll gladly shake the mans hand and say Thanks

Joke? at the least the world isn't laughing at us...rofl

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Joke? at the least the world isn't laughing at us...rofl


Much of the rest of the world sh*ts in it's own cereal bowl and/or expects others to clean it up. Personally, I don't see them as anything particularly worthy of emulating.

[eATS]

Joke? at the least the world isn't laughing at us...rofl

wasted time thinking about hatred from other nations, people that hate and dont know you, that makes no sense. unless you want to comb your hair in the mirror and blow kisses at yourself?

[Atlantic Friend]

Derailing OEF by launching OIF - until then, it was a "so far, so good" trip. Why shift the focus from Afghanistan to Iraq? Actually, why did the elimination of AQ became second-fiddle to the elimination of the Talibans, prompting the administration to decide Afghanistan could be put on the back-burner while targets of opportunity could be attacked? None of the major terror attacks that followed 9/11 were traced back to Iraq - all came from groups claiming their membership to the AQ nebula.

His two administrations also had this fascinating tendency to shrug off any criticism, wherever it came from and however grounded. They could do no wrong, nor make any mistake, and whoever was saying otherwise was irrelevant, or partisan, or a naive idiot. Regardless of the president, or political party he belongs to, that kind of attitude IMHO was extraordinarily irresponsible, and it even contradicted the initial (and wise) caution displayed by the Bush Cabinet immediately post-9/11.

[kitatatsumi]

Much of the rest of the world sh*ts in it's own cereal bowl and/or expects others to clean it up. Personally, I don't see them as anything particularly worthy of emulating.

True, but it wasn't our bowl we sh*t in this time around.

[tluassa]

He either let himself fool by his own lies or he was really dumb enough to believe Saddam had WMD. That means he is either a lyer and warmonger or dumb as ****.

PS: Hurricane Katrina response ... deficit spending ... My opinion is that Bush and his "leadership" screwed up heavily on every problem they got.


http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/2_0_5

[kc135cc]

Much of the rest of the world sh*ts in it's own cereal bowl and/or expects others to clean it up. Personally, I don't see them as anything particularly worthy of emulating.

We took a dump in our own bowl... and we haven't been able to clean it up ourselves... I see a lot around the world worth emulating, its the narrow mindedness that gets this country in trouble....:cantbeli:

[Dronckaert]

His reelection in 2004 was highly unexpected (during the Iraq mess) but it was by far a better alternative to the Kerry/Edwards side.

Hurricane Katrina blow the man especially to the eyes of black people all across America.

[c62]

I was/am a big supporter of his foreign policy.

But most of my criticism is based on his domestic policy, specifically, his economic policy. I wasn't too happy about the spending that he signed into law. During the good times, he should have used that as a cushion to pay down some of the national debt. He was a big Keynesian guy(most republicans, sadly are as well, as well as all democrats).

P.S. Save all the "it was all Bush's fault" nonsense about the economy. Others had a hand in it as well.
Congress failed in oversight
Fed failed to rein in lending
Banks failed to manage their risks
People failed to stop living beyond their means.
The list goes on.

[Wimbly]

We took a dump in our own bowl... and we haven't been able to clean it up ourselves... I see a lot around the world worth emulating, its the narrow mindedness that gets this country in trouble....:cantbeli:

I'm sorry, but this is pure media driven rhetoric. How did Bush "dump in our bowl"? The economic crisis is largely the fault of Democrats and groups like ACORN for forcing banks to give loans people cpuldnt afford. Something Bush warned about multiple times. The deficits Bush ran up are child's play compared to what Obama is doing! The war in Afghanistan was thrust on him and the war in Iraq was agreed to by a majority of congress, including many proinent Democrats like the Clintons.

Please, tell us all what Obama is doing now that Bush didn't do? As far as I can tell Obama's foriegn policy is nearly identical to Bush's.

[JKD]

The economic crisis is largely the fault of Democrats and groups like ACORN for forcing banks to give loans people cpuldnt afford.
Banks were all to eager to give loans to people whether they could afford it or not because they could sell the debt. They were not being forced to do this. They were making money doing it...for a time.

[commanding]

As far as Bush being bashed for Katrina....that makes about as much sense as blaming Bush for 9-11. The number of deaths from Katrina were nominally about half anglo and half african-americans.
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/publications/pubs-145/DECEASED%20Victims%20released_11-14-2005_publication.pdf

230 anglo deaths and 267 African american deaths

The levees failed (built by the Army Corps of Engineers) as the levees were not expected to fail and that was something that could not have been foreseen. A lot of the infrastructure in the country, is deteriorating, even under Obama's administration. So if a levee fails now, is it Obama's fault? I don't think so.

[LineDoggie]

Funny thing about Katrina.

I was sitting in the messhall at Cp. Stryker (BIAP)waiting for a Freedom bird and watching the TV. Our Brigade was the 256th from Louisiana, and what has stuck with me all this time was they werent blaming Bush, But Nagin and the Governor, and Decades of corruption before that diverted funds away from flood preventative measures. This was Black and White Soldiers, many from New Orleans itself. Some were pissed off that people stayed to loot, many more were pissed that people stayed period when they had an opportunity to leave.

I Mean who Knew that water collects at the lowest point, should have been the perfect motor pool for evac buses. And hey, haveing what was it 1/4 of the NOPD fleeing their duties, sure that helped the situation, didnt it.

[commanding]

Corruption in government? Nah! surely not!

[commanding]

On the Katrina mess...and i don't want to get sidelined here..but....I still think the federal govt. specifically the corps of engineers was responsible for the levees. Of course the idiots who did not evacuate when they were told to, and stayed below sea level, when that hurricane was coming, were just nuts. I would have been pi$$ed too if I had to have been one of the rescue troops who had to fly in there and rescue those people, when they had refused to leave, per instructions.
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[BearInBunnySuit]

Funny thing about Katrina.

I was sitting in the messhall at Cp. Stryker (BIAP)waiting for a Freedom bird and watching the TV. Our Brigade was the 256th from Louisiana, and what has stuck with me all this time was they werent blaming Bush, But Nagin and the Governor, and Decades of corruption before that diverted funds away from flood preventative measures. This was Black and White Soldiers, many from New Orleans itself. Some were pissed off that people stayed to loot, many more were pissed that people stayed period when they had an opportunity to leave.

I Mean who Knew that water collects at the lowest point, should have been the perfect motor pool for evac buses. And hey, haveing what was it 1/4 of the NOPD fleeing their duties, sure that helped the situation, didnt it.

I feel that of all the things Bush was blamed for, Katrina was the most unfair. Eventually, I think even his harshest critic figured that out so we don't hear much about Katrina being a Bush failure so much now.

[Ned72]

I thought the campaign to topple the Taliban in Afghanistan was masterfully done. A masterpiece in the use of economy of force in military operations. If the same effort continued without diverting attention to Iraq, I'm sure the Taliban would be a non-entity today and Al Qaida a distant memory.

It's unfortunate that when the decision was made to go into Iraq, that no forethought was given to the civil affairs after the initial military victory. The wanton looting of Iraq's historic treasures and total anarchy that occurred in the immediate aftermath was truly preventable and a disgrace. In hindsight, lack of planning, effort, and resources for the immediate post-conflict phase of the war caused the nation a lot of human and moral capital, international prestige, credibility, and treasure as it failed to maintain law and order and bottle up the initially nascent unrest. That he made the tough decision to "stick with it" with the surge is a credit to him.

I can't say I would blame this on Bush. That's the job of his advisors but their failure is his failure. I think these are some of the things people remember about his administration.

Certainly, these were tough challenges for him and his administration. In hindsight, it is always easy to blame. I just wonder how well Gore would have done if he was in charge?

[Fargin]

I stopped disliking Bush the day he left office. I don't think I ever hated Bush, I think I might have hated the guys pulling his strings, I never considered Bush capable of dismanteling US democrazy on his own.

[Some Dude]

You hear a lot of news stories now about how “the American public is sick of the war in Afghanistan”. I believe this argument is not well founded. Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country weren’t even aware that we were still in Afghanistan, so dominating was the coverage of Iraq. Now that Iraq has quieted down (a little) and our attention is turning back to Afghanistan, people are taking notice. They are so tired from the Iraq war (the war dead, the endless pundits saying it was a quagmire) that they want our troops to withdraw from a country where we legitimately do have a national interest in securing. For this I blame George W. Bush. After 9/11 he had a true opportunity to go after Al Qaeda and defeat their ideological brethren, the Taliban, once and for all. Instead, he needlessly siphoned off valuable resources from that war to fund his dream project, Iraq. Because Mr. Bush used 9/11 as a blanket defense against every criticism made against him during his presidency, I believe it will be that much harder for President Obama (if he’s even so inclined) to do the right thing and send enough troops to Afghanistan. I believe Mr. Bush hurt our country in some profound ways.

[Lau]

You are either with us, or against us

That exact phrase is what made me realize what a dangerous retard G.W Bush was/is. What can I say, the guy was a joke, and his actions send many young men and women out to die for something not worth dying for.

I'm disgusted every time I hear the man speak!

[Spaz]

That exact phrase is what made me realize what a dangerous retard G.W Bush was/is. What can I say, the guy was a joke, and his actions send many young men and women out to die for something not worth dying for.

I'm disgusted every time I hear the man speak!
I think Afghanistan was something worth dying for. Why not go over there and kick the asses of the bastards who attacked us?

[commanding]

That exact phrase is what made me realize what a dangerous retard G.W Bush was/is. What can I say, the guy was a joke, and his actions send many young men and women out to die for something not worth dying for.

I'm disgusted every time I hear the man speak!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_either_with_us,_or_against_us

Hillary Clinton (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) said on September 13 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/September_13), 2001 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/2001): "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Jesus Christ (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Jesus_Christ) stated in Matthew 12:30 that "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." - However he also stated the reverse in Mark 9:40: "Whoever is not against us is for us."

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Vladimir_Ilyich_Lenin), in a speech discussing the Chief Committee for Political Education, told the assembled delegates that "It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."

So you think Hillary Clinton, Jesus Christ and Lenin were also "retards"?

[marlowwe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_either_with_us,_or_against_us (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us,_or_against_us)

Hillary Clinton (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) said on September 13 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/September_13), 2001 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/2001): "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Jesus Christ (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Jesus_Christ) stated in Matthew 12:30 that "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." - However he also stated the reverse in Mark 9:40: "Whoever is not against us is for us."

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Vladimir_Ilyich_Lenin), in a speech discussing the Chief Committee for Political Education, told the assembled delegates that "It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."

So you think Hillary Clinton, Jesus Christ and Lenin were also "retards"?

Yes, they are all retards.

[eATS]

That exact phrase is what made me realize what a dangerous retard G.W Bush was/is. What can I say, the guy was a joke, and his actions send many young men and women out to die for something not worth dying for.

I'm disgusted every time I hear the man speak!

Lau, your not even American, 9/11 was the straw that broke the camels back, what if someone flys jetliners into what ever city you have in denmark and see how you feel about war, same as Pearl Harbor. it might be easy to say if you didnt wake up in the morning and see one of your citys burning in a day and age where this would be rediculous. i was ready to go out and start killing mid eastern people that morning cause i didnt know if it was gonna get worse. it sucks cause i dont hate any race or religon, but some race and religon was attacking my people... the outcome is better than all our civilians going nuts here.

its lucky half the Mid East didn't get Nuked over this. Dont forget lots of our soldiers joined up cause of 9/11, on top of that our military is voluntary, which means if you don't want to goto war, don't join the military. thats why i respect the Soldiers even more...

i fear more for my security now with Obama. there are way better politicians in this country for president than that..

[budgie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_either_with_us,_or_against_us

Hillary Clinton (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) said on September 13 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/September_13), 2001 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/2001): "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Jesus Christ (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Jesus_Christ) stated in Matthew 12:30 that "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." - However he also stated the reverse in Mark 9:40: "Whoever is not against us is for us."

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Vladimir_Ilyich_Lenin), in a speech discussing the Chief Committee for Political Education, told the assembled delegates that "It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."

So you think Hillary Clinton, Jesus Christ and Lenin were also "retards"?

Firstly who knows what Jesus said because the Bible was cobbled together out of secondary sources.

That said, I think there was a difference. I don't disagree with the spirit of the statement: it was after all, not aimed at allies but those states that might sit on the fence when it comes to supporting terror. It was however delivered as tasteless bluster in Bush's faux-cowboy style, and coming from the POTUS, not a Democratic Senator or Vladimir Lenin, it seemed too confrontational and undiplomatic.

[commanding]

Firstly who knows what Jesus said because the Bible was cobbled together out of secondary sources.

That said, I think there was a difference. I don't disagree with the spirit of the statement: it was after all, not aimed at allies but those states that might sit on the fence when it comes to supporting terror. It was however delivered as tasteless bluster in Bush's faux-cowboy style, and coming from the POTUS, not a Democratic Senator or Vladimir Lenin, it seemed too confrontational and undiplomatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPABLW6F_A

that is faux-cowboy bluster?

[budgie]

Undiplomatic and confrontational. And yes, full of bluster. As I said, I don't disagree and he was rightly angry, but many in the world took that to be overly pushy rhetoric, no matter which side of the fence they sat on.

[kc135cc]

I'm sorry, but this is pure media driven rhetoric. How did Bush "dump in our bowl"? The economic crisis is largely the fault of Democrats and groups like ACORN for forcing banks to give loans people cpuldnt afford. Something Bush warned about multiple times. The deficits Bush ran up are child's play compared to what Obama is doing! The war in Afghanistan was thrust on him and the war in Iraq was agreed to by a majority of congress, including many proinent Democrats like the Clintons.

Please, tell us all what Obama is doing now that Bush didn't do? As far as I can tell Obama's foriegn policy is nearly identical to Bush's.

You prove my point when it comes to narrow minded people... I believe its both parties that over time brought our economy to its knees... not one side. Secondly, if your going to try and bring deficit numbers into play, show me the stats.. which I think could be hard to come by due to the fact Obama hasn't even been in office over a year. Thirdly, when it comes to foreign policy, at least nations are talking again and not being spit on by the White House.

[commanding]

Undiplomatic and confrontational. And yes, full of bluster. As I said, I don't disagree and he was rightly angry, but many in the world took that to be overly pushy rhetoric, no matter which side of the fence they sat on.

well that's what makes horse races (differences of opinions)

[SBL]

Undiplomatic and confrontational. And yes, full of bluster. As I said, I don't disagree and he was rightly angry, but many in the world took that to be overly pushy rhetoric, no matter which side of the fence they sat on.
Sounds like a personal issue to me.

[commanding]

You prove my point when it comes to narrow minded people... I believe its both parties that over time brought our economy to its knees... not one side. Secondly, if your going to try and bring deficit numbers into play, show me the stats.. which I think could be hard to come by due to the fact Obama hasn't even been in office over a year. Thirdly, when it comes to foreign policy, at least nations are talking again and not being spit on by the White House.
I agree with you that both political parties are to blame for the economy mess. :)

On the deficit numbers....we were at war 9 months into the Bush presidency...check US history about war and deficit spending, there is always a deficit during war. The U.S. Notes (paper currency) still in circulation into the 1950s and 60s were from debt incurred during the civil war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note

Nations were never "spit on by the white house", not in Bush's terms, nor in any president I can recall from my life or from historical records. That is dramatic license on your part.

[LineDoggie]

Undiplomatic and confrontational. And yes, full of bluster. As I said, I don't disagree and he was rightly angry, but many in the world took that to be overly pushy rhetoric, no matter which side of the fence they sat on. And flying planes into buildings full of Civvies was diplomatic and Non Confrontational?

[marlowwe]

And flying planes into buildings full of Civvies was diplomatic and Non Confrontational?

You have to take the Sept 11th attacks into context with how the world, and elements like Al'Qaeda, perceived the United States at the time. According to them the US was not some beacon of light, an isolationist paradise of democracy. If you looked at Bin Laden's reasons for attacking the United States he mentioned the incessant meddling of the US in the affairs of other countries and especially the arming of Israel.

When the attacks on the WTC occurred the whole world rallied to the US and in return Bush gave a big fat **** you back with his comment about being either 'with us or against us'.

[Sootan]

As for the invasion of Iraq, it was based on faulty intelligence provided by the CIA and other covert intelligence, and it was voted on and passed by the legislative branch and backed by them, so I can not fault Bush for that. In retrospect, maybe it was bad, maybe it was good, history will tell 50 years from now. Mostly I grieve for the people who died in the war.



Let's just say that he got the intelligence that he wanted. Saying that he cherrypicked the intels that supported the cause for war was an understatement.

[SoftLion]

You have to take the Sept 11th attacks into context with how the world, and elements like Al'Qaeda, perceived the United States at the time. According to them the US was not some beacon of light, an isolationist paradise of democracy. If you looked at Bin Laden's reasons for attacking the United States he mentioned the incessant meddling of the US in the affairs of other countries and especially the arming of Israel.


Good job trying to justify the Sept 11 attacks. I hope you're not an American.

[marlowwe]

Good job trying to justify the Sept 11 attacks. I hope you're not an American.

Where did I try to justify them?

[BearInBunnySuit]

Undiplomatic and confrontational. And yes, full of bluster. As I said, I don't disagree and he was rightly angry, but many in the world took that to be overly pushy rhetoric, no matter which side of the fence they sat on.

I respectfully disagree. I think that was absolutely the right tone for him to take in the aftermath of 9/11. The world was shocked that a superpower like the U.S. could be attacked at home and it brought some degree of comfort to many--not just Americans--when America flexed its muscles and struck back.