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Lt-Col A. Tack
10-10-2009, 08:16 PM
Civil War soldier to be laid to rest

By Oren Dorell, USA TODAY

He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to preserve slavery.

Either way, the remains of a Civil War soldier found at a construction site in Franklin, Tenn., will be buried with honors as residents of the North and the South look on.

"We don't know if he's a Confederate or Union soldier," Franklin Mayor John Schroer says. "But at the end of the day, we know he's an American soldier who died, and we want to make sure his remains are handled properly."

On Saturday, a horse-drawn caisson will carry through town a handmade coffin containing the bones of a young man who was at one of the most horrible battles in the war. He will be laid to rest at Rest Haven Cemetery, where many who died in the Battle of Franklin are buried.

Civil War re-enactors will drop earth from all 18 states that participated in the battle over the coffin as it is interred.

Schroer says the ceremony will be a "kind of bringing together of both sides."

In the pre-dawn hours of Nov. 30, 1864, Maj. Gen. John Schofield arrived at the Carter cotton farm with 35,500 federal soldiers. He was headed for nearby Nashville, which was in Union hands.

Gen. John Bell Hood, newly named commander of the Confederate Army, was determined to block the Union reinforcements so he could retake Nashville.

He advanced on the farm in the afternoon with 25,000 troops. The cannonade was so thick it was near impossible to tell friend from enemy. Men clubbed, stabbed and choked each other in hand-to-hand combat.

In five hours of fighting, the Union suffered 2,000 casualties, the Confederates 7,000 casualties. The Union troops went on to Nashville.

It was "the last great charge" by the Confederate Army, says J.T. Thompson of the Lotz House, a Civil War museum in Franklin.

The soldier found May 14 was about 20 years old when he died. Also found were a bullet, copper buttons from a Union jacket, and copper tacks in a piece of a leather boot heel.

The federal buttons did not solve the mystery.

"There were plenty of Confederate soldiers that were running around wearing Union buttons for one reason or another," says archaeologist Larry McKee of TRC Environmental.

Robert Grim, commanding general of the military unit of the Sons of Union Veterans, will travel from Sabina, Ohio, to take part in the ceremony.

Grim is going under the possibility that the soldier did not take up arms against the U.S. on behalf of states that were enslaving millions. "It could have been that he was a loyal participant trying to save the Union," he says. If so, "he has to be honored."

Jay Sheridan, a member of the City of Franklin's Battlefield Task Force says, "Both sides were fighting for the cause they believed in. To the Confederacy that was states' rights and independence."

The point of the ceremony is the reconciliation that came after, he says. The combatants "were Americans before and Americans after," he says. "This country has been faced with a lot of adversity and in the course of time, we have always prevailed."

Link (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-08-civil-war-burial_N.htm)

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Students watch the changing of the guard next to an unknown soldier's
coffin in Franklin, Tenn.
By Jeanne Reasonover, The (Nashville) Tennessean

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-10-2009, 08:18 PM
Let me be the first to register discontent at the following text:

"He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to preserve slavery."

Does he think all Southern soldiers only fought in the Civil War to preserve slavery?

Theodore
10-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Yes sir, I do believe so.

I bet he even thinks it was a civil war.

:)

California Joe
10-10-2009, 09:25 PM
Let me be the first to register discontent at the following text:

"He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to preserve slavery."

Does he think all Southern soldiers only fought in the Civil War to preserve slavery?

Yeah. That was a stupid thing to say. Surely someone that has studied the conflict would know better...

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-10-2009, 09:31 PM
It usually arouses my ire when a reporter tries to simplify something as significant as the Civil War.

I doubt (but don't know) the issue of slavery was the motivating factor for the average Southern infantryman.

I think it would have been better if he would have just stuck to the facts.

wilhelm
10-11-2009, 11:37 AM
Let me be the first to register discontent at the following text:

"He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to preserve slavery."

Does he think all Southern soldiers only fought in the Civil War to preserve slavery?

Wouldn't it be more technically correct to state:

"He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to ensure the right to secession."

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-11-2009, 04:05 PM
Wouldn't it be more technically correct to state:

"He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to ensure the right to secession."

Placing more emphasis on the fact that it really is just a guess would probably lessen the impact of the statement, and it's rather pointless and ridiculous for the author to be guessing the motives of an unknown soldier of any conflict.

I'm guessing the slavery issue wasn't a compelling interest for the infantry of either side.

James
10-11-2009, 05:26 PM
Let me be the first to register discontent at the following text:

"He may have died trying to preserve the Union. He may have been fighting to preserve slavery."

Does he think all Southern soldiers only fought in the Civil War to preserve slavery?

Thank you for that.



I doubt (but don't know) the issue of slavery was the motivating factor for the average Southern infantryman.

I agree. IIRC, more than 90% of the men who fought for the South were not slave owners. They were farmers and whatnot who just wanted the Federal Government to leave them alone.

Hmm...

commanding
10-11-2009, 10:25 PM
Placing more emphasis on the fact that it really is just a guess would probably lessen the impact of the statement, and it's rather pointless and ridiculous for the author to be guessing the motives of an unknown soldier of any conflict.

I'm guessing the slavery issue wasn't a compelling interest for the infantry of either side.

RIP, and glad the soldier, whichever side he fought for is being interred properly. As to the allusion the writer made that he may have fought for slavery...dumb. My own great great grandfather and two of his brothers fought as CSA soldiers from Georgia, they were very young. Their father was a minister and I doubt very seriously they gave a hoot about slavery......they fought for the CSA and the men beside them I am pretty sure. Again, RIP soldier. (the eldest of my GG Grandfathers two bros. was killed at the battle of Bakers Creek, MS)

skipperbob
10-12-2009, 01:01 AM
Thank you for that.



I agree. IIRC, more than 90% of the men who fought for the South were not slave owners. They were farmers and whatnot who just wanted the Federal Government to leave them alone.

Hmm...

The fact remains that the root cause of the war was slavery and its expansion into new territories and the war started only because the men in control in the south (mostly slave owners) were concerned about the survival of slavery. They weren't concerned about the Federal Government when they were in control of everything but when the north became the stronger political force, they decided they didn't want to play anymore.

Skutatos
10-12-2009, 07:16 AM
Also for some reason people seem to think all southern soldiers were idealists fighting for some "cause". A very large portion of them were conscripted, especially after the first 6 months of the war. The war was not as popular in the south as many seem to believe these days.

There were multiple guerilla groups operating against the south and some states seemed to be trying to make things as difficult as possible for the southern army(Georgia....). Also, West Virginia seceded from the confederacy and became a state in 1863.

This is a good read for gaining a clearer picture of the reality of the period:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/kinston1.htm

history nut
10-12-2009, 05:23 PM
No offense meant here but you guys are reading, literally, too much into what the reproter wrote. The great thing about this is how people from all ages, walks of life, from every corner of the country and even overseas paid this man the respect and honor he deserved, regardless of which uniform he wore.

I live in Franklin and go to church where the soldier laid in state. His body was found on an old friend of mine's property (that he sold a couple years ago). He now rests a mile from my house, in soil from the 18 states with troops at Franklin, under a cool monument that utilizes parts the original columns from the Tenn state capital. My friends were pallbearers on Saturday. Am I an expert on this man? Absolutely not. Can I come up with something better than the reporter did? Probably, but you cannot please everyone.

Anyway, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people came together to make this solder's final journey a respectful one and that's what really counts. That is the real story.