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Derbedeu
10-10-2009, 07:32 PM
Protests in Moscow at 'rigged' polls

By Richard Galpin
BBC News, Moscow

Opposition activists in Russia are up in arms as tens of millions of Russians prepare to go to the polls across the country in local elections this weekend.
Opposition groups have been particularly angry in the capital Moscow, openly accusing authorities of rigging the election for the city assembly to ensure the ruling party maintains its tight grip on power.
The vote is the first test of the government's popularity since the economic crisis hit the country hard a year ago.
In the run-up to the elections, a small group of protesters took to the streets of Moscow, calling for Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Yuri Luzhkov, the Mayor of Moscow, to be removed from office.
They were venting their frustration after the election commission blocked all serious opponents of the government from running as independent candidates in Sunday's crucial vote for the Moscow assembly.


'Multiple violations'
The commission said their application forms had mistakes or the signatures needed to support the applications had been faked.
One opposition candidate - former minister Vladimir Milov - dismissed this as nonsense, accusing the authorities of fixing the election before people even had a chance to vote.
"There were multiple violations during the process of verifying my signatures and these were severe violations of the Moscow city electoral laws," said Mr Milov.
"Obviously due to a political order from the top Russian and Moscow authorities, all of the independent candidates were banned from the elections including myself.
"It looks like the Moscow city government chose to ban 100% of the independent candidates to secure the desired outcome of the election results."
Opposition politician Boris Nemtsov described Sunday's polls as "fraud, farce, 100%", suggesting Muscovites might boycott the election.
"No parties which have criticised the views of the Mayor of Moscow Yuri Luzhkov are taking part in the elections, and Vladimir Putin's party of corrupted bureaucracy is the biggest organisation trying to control power for future corruption," he said.
"That is why this is not an election and it's why an idea of a boycott is quite interesting and I believe that millions of Muscovites don't want to go at all (to vote)."

Unprecedented pressure
The move has left just the so-called official opposition parties such as the communists in the race. Critics say they are only tolerated because they do not pose any real threat to the government.
But Nikolai Gubenko, a communist member of the Moscow assembly, said even his party was facing unprecedented pressure from the authorities in this election.
"Never before have the authorities gone this far in trying to make campaigning difficult for the opposition - any opposition, regardless of party affiliations," he said.
"We are having enormous difficulties meeting people, holding campaign events, even putting up paid advertising posters."
Certainly, on the streets of the capital, all I have seen has been posters and activists for the ruling party, United Russia, and for a couple of other Kremlin-friendly parties.

Allegations denied
A recent opinion poll showed that almost 40% of Muscovites believe Sunday's election will be rigged.
One Muscovite I spoke to said the election had already been decided.
"This is a show, not an election," he said. "My vote will not count anyway."
Another voter said she was pessimistic about the poll.
"It doesn't matter how I vote, or how other people vote - the authorities will effectively appoint the people who they think are right," she said.
The election commission strenuously denied the allegations.
"If you look up the laws, you'll see that it is now a crime to rig an election," said Gennady Raykov, who is co-ordinating the Moscow city election.
"We already have cases where people have been prosecuted. I can look you in the eye and promise you that people will be free to vote for any of the registered candidates."
Critics say that may well be true, as the genuine opposition has already been eliminated.
Election observers say what is happening in the capital is particularly worrying because methods used for elections in Moscow - if successful - are then copied across the country.
It all flies in the face of President Dmitry Medvedev's recent promise to renew the country's political system and develop Russia in a democratic way. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8297885.stm

xzx
10-11-2009, 02:08 AM
Why BBC cant make another article, something like:

Protests in London at 'rigged' polls

Opposition activists are up in arms in Britain.

'Multiple violations'

Independent human rigths group "Mumba Umba" said elections already decided. Britain is turning to police state.

Unprecedented pressure

Opposition activists are eliminated every day. John Smith got 5 year prison for 'tax evasion'. He told us: "I was jailed only because of my political aspirations. Britain now is a totalitaian state. Its appaling"

People anger

We discussed this issue this people from local London pub.

Bob told us: "Corruption are everywhere in Britain. There are only criminals in parliament".

Tim said: "They started illegal war in Iraq and killed million innocent people. Do i believe election will be rigged? Of course yes!"

Critics around world already vowed to international community to pressure Gordon Brown to respect the rule of law.

void
10-11-2009, 02:12 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8297885.stm

Ugh, it's stupid how this article makes the loud minority seem like a majority.


In the run-up to the elections, a small group of protesters took to the streets of Moscow, calling for Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Yuri Luzhkov, the Mayor of Moscow, to be removed from office.No popular movement in Russia today would call for Putin to resign, rightly or wrongly he has a massive approval rating. This basically tell me that this is a fringe movement with no real support.

Also, Boris Nemtsov isn't exactly a beacon of popularity in Russia, and he is one of the leader of this.

BBC should stick to actually addressing real issues in Russia, and NOT portraying this as some kind of popular uprising.

savushka
10-11-2009, 02:58 AM
Ugh, it's stupid how this article makes the loud minority seem like a majority.


Absolutely. I also "adore" it when some scum, such as NBP and their leader Limonov are portrayed as "brave fighters against the regime". That's just sick.

Akril
10-11-2009, 03:15 AM
Wut??? Nemtsov complain about corruption? And this is half a year after he screwed election in Sochi in such pathetic way. Where's the thread how he take money from Korean diaspora for promise to sabotage Olympic in Russia once he become mayor of Sochi? There should be one on PM.net

Mr.K
10-11-2009, 03:22 AM
Say what you want but I don't like luzhkov.

Difool
10-11-2009, 03:23 AM
Limonov and his friends again, I guess?

void
10-11-2009, 03:29 AM
Say what you want but I don't like luzhkov.

Oh, certainly, Luzhkov is firmly in the category of people who ideally should go up against the wall, but that doesnt change the fact that the article is a load of misrepresentations and hyperbole.

Robert.V
10-11-2009, 03:29 AM
Oh, BBC what joke you have become.

jokuvaan
10-11-2009, 04:32 AM
NOT portraying this as some kind of popular uprising.
I think story was about usual Russian vote rigging, not uprising.

void
10-11-2009, 04:42 AM
I think story was about usual Russian vote rigging, not uprising.

Except that they mention the "protests" and the "activists", and their evidence for the vote rigging seems to consist of the claims of people like Nemtsov and his followers. The article definitely tries to paint a picture of popular dissent against the government among the people, which doesnt exist in reality.

Mousepad
10-11-2009, 04:56 AM
Polls not even over, those guys already claim them rigged. That's fast and preemptive. Very nice.

User_Name
10-11-2009, 07:54 AM
Polls not even over, those guys already claim them rigged. That's fast and preemptive. Very nice.

BBC-We make the news!:D


Where's the thread how he take money from Korean diaspora for promise to sabotage Olympic in Russia once he become mayor of Sochi? There should be one on PM.net
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=162340

Pareto
10-11-2009, 08:28 AM
daahh!!

ne mojet bit :D

BBC is joke anyway, their reports often based on spins, unwilling or unable to analize the situation more deeply..

gazell
10-11-2009, 02:37 PM
Why BBC cant make another article, something like:

Protests in London at 'rigged' polls

Opposition activists are up in arms in Britain.

'Multiple violations'

Independent human rigths group "Mumba Umba" said elections already decided. Britain is turning to police state.

Unprecedented pressure

Opposition activists are eliminated every day. John Smith got 5 year prison for 'tax evasion'. He told us: "I was jailed only because of my political aspirations. Britain now is a totalitaian state. Its appaling"

People anger

We discussed this issue this people from local London pub.

Bob told us: "Corruption are everywhere in Britain. There are only criminals in parliament".

Tim said: "They started illegal war in Iraq and killed million innocent people. Do i believe election will be rigged? Of course yes!"

Critics around world already vowed to international community to pressure Gordon Brown to respect the rule of law.

Haha! Sadly, I have to give you that, hit and sunk...

asch
10-11-2009, 05:16 PM
No popular movement in Russia today would call for Putin to resign, rightly or wrongly he has a massive approval rating.
man, in past-Ural Russia Putin have a really ****ty ratings and little support. the problem is, we are not more than 20% of total Russian population.:|

void
10-11-2009, 05:54 PM
man, in past-Ural Russia Putin have a really ****ty ratings and little support. the problem is, we are not more than 20% of total Russian population.:|

Yeah, coz of the whole import car tax thing. But out of curiosity, what is his and Medvedev's popularity rating east of the Urals? Are there are sort of official numbers/polls?

asch
10-11-2009, 06:36 PM
Yeah, coz of the whole import car tax thing. But out of curiosity, what is his and Medvedev's popularity rating east of the Urals? Are there are sort of official numbers/polls?
man, if it was import tax only, there will not be that much outrage. decisions of Putin faction put Far East on a brink of federal-size bankrupcy. our fishing industry is choked by new federal taxes and regulations, our ports have a ridiculous federal ship parking fee, our wood-cutting industry ****ed up by widely put intentions to raise tax tenfold (which is folded back, but our biggest customers already prefer to jump to Canadians and other concurent countries). and this list can go on and on and on.
Medvedev treaten much more tolerable here.
Putin had his place in the past rough times, his methods is not needed anymore.

Derbedeu
10-11-2009, 10:13 PM
^^^ Start a revolution. I suggest declaring independence as the Democratic Republic of Siberia! p-)

jokuvaan
10-12-2009, 07:27 AM
http://www.*******.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE59929320091010


Political competition is practically zero," said Liliya Shibanova, head of independent poll watchdog Golos. "Medvedev says we need competition, we need a multi-party system, but election results show the exact opposite.
Pro-Western opposition parties say every one of their candidates was refused registration for the 17 first past the post seats on the Moscow council, most because some of thousands of signatures provided for registration were deemed invalid.
Medvedev's administration blamed local officials for the problems in Moscow, saying it had failed to convince Moscow mayor Yuri Luzhkov, a prominent member of the ruling party, to liberalize elections.
"Moscow authorities are not ready to live under new standards," Medvedev's chief spokeswoman Natalya Timakova told reporters this week.
Sixty-two percent of Muscovites polled by the Levada center described the vote as "simply an imitation of a battle" and said they expected the seats to be distributed by the authorities.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8301844.stm


Vladimir Churov, chairman of Russia's Central Election Commission, praised the electoral process.
"The elections were recognised [as] valid and were well organised, with a quite high turnout," he told Itar-Tass.
However, concerns over the polling led to one opposition leader, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, calling on voters to boycott the elections or spoil their ballots.
"These elections are illegitimate. They're nothing but a farce," he told the Associated Press.
Mr Nemtsov was refused permission to stand in Moscow's city council election, AP reported, with election officials alleging the 5,000 signatures his party collected were forged.
Another opposition party, Yabloko, also alleged irregularities in Moscow, saying voters had contacted party officials to say they tried to vote but found votes already cast in their names.
Party observers also noticed large numbers of voters at a polling station who did not live in that voting area, Yabloko said, adding that it was preparing a complaint to election officials.


Quite immense task for Medveded to install western style election system, going to take decades. I wonder how long he is tolerated to stay in power if he starts to actually threat current system, not just talk.

Mango Madness
10-12-2009, 09:07 AM
http://www.*******.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE59929320091010


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8301844.stm



Quite immense task for Medveded to install western style election system, going to take decades. I wonder how long he is tolerated to stay in power if he starts to actually threat current system, not just talk.

Decades? Russia had genuine, no limits on opposition during the Yeltsin era. In 1985 nobody could have predicted that the Soviet Union would turn into a market democracy with a few years. What is needed is the political will. If Medvedev wanted to he could pass reforms that would lower the threshold for political parties to enter the legislature, stop disallowing opposition candidates to stand on the ballot and make it easier for opposition parties to campaign. The problem is the ruling party, United Russia, controls all the law making and because it does, it is reluctant to make it easier for opposition parties to get elected, even though doing so would ultimately be better for the country IMHO.

Unbekannt
10-12-2009, 12:54 PM
I wonder, who are these opposition parties exactly? As I see it these are mostly these pro-Western parties like Garry Kasparov's and national bolsheviks and such. Can one of the Russian members here elaborate?

Mango Madness
10-12-2009, 06:36 PM
I wonder, who are these opposition parties exactly? As I see it these are mostly these pro-Western parties like Garry Kasparov's and national bolsheviks and such. Can one of the Russian members here elaborate?

Yabloko is the only opposition liberal political party. Right Cause, another so-called liberal party, supported Medvedev's candidacy for President in 2008. The other political parties in Russia are either nationalist or socialist.