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Britishhawk
10-11-2009, 12:28 PM
Recently found this at my relatives, don't know anything about it other than it is believed its from WW1. Im not even sure if its a real shell? Can anyone (germans? =s) read what it says? What size shell is it? etc.Thanks!

http://i37.tinypic.com/ny5xq9.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/w1wxzq.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/2v8qoh4.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2vmasf5.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/dscf3005v.jpg/1/w3264.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img237/dscf3005v.jpg/1/)
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9514/dscf3005v.jpg)
http://i34.tinypic.com/25sms12.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/dliykm.jpg

Also! I have this from the RE, Is it a capbadge or does it attach to clothing?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ah6qrn.jpg

ATA
10-11-2009, 12:46 PM
http://www.landofborchardt.com/1900-Parabellum-ammo-article.html

Evolv5
10-11-2009, 01:01 PM
"Composition für Schiffsböden" means Composition for the bottom of a ship. The actual bottom deck. (literally) maybe it actually means something else. Or possibly, the big "warehouses" where you build ships...yet again I can't think of the English word.

Patronenfabrik = Munitions Factory

Karlsruhe is a place in Germany.

Sorry for not being great help.

capixaba
10-11-2009, 01:50 PM
Try posting these on the Great War Forum
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/

There are specific sub forums for equipment and badges etc. You'll get lots of expert help there!

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showforum=149

About the badge...if you Google (images) "Royal Engineers cap badge"
http://images.google.com.br/images?hl=pt-BR&source=hp&q=royal%20engineers%20cap%20badge&rlz=1W1GGLL_pt-BR&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

will show you a variety of types - again on GWF someone will give you more detail on it/date it. Did you have a relative in the RE during WW1?

Seek
10-11-2009, 04:36 PM
Found this by googling for Rahtjen composition:


The evidence in the record shows that some time between the years 1860 and 1865 one John Rahtjen invented in Germany a particular kind of paint for the purpose above mentioned. In connection with his sons he began in 1865 to manufacture the paint for general use, and it speedily acquired a high reputation among owners of shipping as valuable for the purposes intended. The elder Rahtjen never obtained a patent for the article in Germany; neither did he or his sons apply for or obtain one in the United States. They first shipped some of the paint manufactured by them in Germany to the United States in 1870, consigned to Henry Gelien. They did not put it upon the market by sending generally to those who might wish to use it, but all their consignments from 1870 to 1878 were made to Gelien. Under what marks he sold the article does not appear.

http://openjurist.org/183/us/1/holzapfels-compositions-company-v-rahtjens-american-composition-company

Seems to be some kind of early merchandising object for a company which produced maritime coatings...

Another interresting google find reveals that this product was used by Royal Navy ships way before WWI:


Apart from the compositions which have been applied experimentally, Rahtjen's composition is the one which has been adopted for the use of the Navy since the Committee made their Report. This composition was at the time under trial. The answer to the second question is "No," the Admiralty being fully able to deal with the matter themselves. The reply to the third question is "Yes," namely, the Maritime and General Improvement Company:—Messrs. Peacock and Buchan, and the Suter, Hartmann, and Rahtjen's Composition Company.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1890/aug/05/compositions-for-ships

MOKA.ROUX
10-30-2009, 07:23 PM
The RE badge is a cap badge, all quite normal for WWI & WWII

The shell however, i love it, great artwork :-)