RM SBS

[tacticalmanta]

Just a quick note to all you imposter hungry trolls out there. There was once a discussion about the Royal Marines and the Special Boat Service. My assertion that SBS is part of the Royal Marines was challanged by someone who claims to be in the Royal Marines.

Here is it in black and white:
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/2716.html
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/2954.html
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/5038.html

[mocking_loudly_died]

If you are talking about Royal - he knows his **** and is a Royal Marine.

[FallenAngel]

Indeed...I would trust Royal's word over anything found on the web.

Of course, after reading this web-page, I see nothing that states that the SBS is part of the Royal Marines. I DO see the acknowledgment that the SBS sometimes works with RM Commando units.

Course...maybe I am reading it wrong. I speak English afterall. ;)

[tacticalmanta]

1. read the title of the page
2. not just the web.. it's the official MOD site

perhaps your English skills are not very good:
"Elements of Special Forces: usually from the Special Boat Service Royal Marines,..."

[FallenAngel]

Yeah...because "official" websites are never wrong. ;)

SBS Royal Marines....first ever I've heard it refered to as that. Hmm...interesting but not conclusive in my eyes. Could just be a typo.

[tacticalmanta]

A typo on three seperate pages..on three separate subjects by the RM themselves! RIIIIIIIIIGHT.

[Red]

Tactical,i want to tell you that Royal is the real deal.And just cause SBS is said to be part of the RM by th MoD does not mean it actually is.I am not brit so i don't know much about their force structure

[mocking_loudly_died]

Lets all stop throwing our purses about until the main man turns up.
Royal is legitimate (I don't even like justifying the man; because he doesn't need it).

Getting into semantics over this is all a tad dramatic and overblown. Off the cuff comments can be taken way out of context.

[tacticalmanta]

LoL.. I never named names, but so far we have that the British government lies and some guy in the internet knows everything about the Royal Marines, even if what he says completely contradicts everything written by the MOD and the RM themselves.

You guys are too much!

[Red]

LoL.. I never named names, but so far we have that the British government lies and some guy in the internet knows everything about the Royal Marines, even if what he says completely contradicts everything written by the MOD and the RM themselves.

You guys are too much!
Yes we are, aren't we?

[Flagg]

LoL.. I never named names, but so far we have that the British government lies and some guy in the internet knows everything about the Royal Marines, even if what he says completely contradicts everything written by the MOD and the RM themselves.

You guys are too much!

Cool your jets......

You obviously posted this thread with a grudge to settle.

Forum member Royal is a Royal Marine Officer and a well respected member of this forum......not "some guy on the internet".

If you wish to confirm bona fides, ask ANY of the MODs

You may be right...

But as I mentioned before, your perception, when posting in such an "I'm right, you morons are wrong" fashion doesn't help your credibility.

Mocking's suggestion of waiting for Royal to comment/clarify/confirm is not such a bad one in my opinion.

[Steve Andrews]

Just a quick note to all you imposter hungry trolls out there. There was once a discussion about the Royal Marines and the Special Boat Service. My assertion that SBS is part of the Royal Marines was challanged by someone who claims to be in the Royal Marines.

Here is it in black and white:

1. The SBS is not "part of the Royal Marines", it is part of UK Special Forces.

2. Our Royal is as genuine as you can get.

3. You're making a tit of yourself.

[Chris1]

Just a quick note to all you imposter hungry trolls out there. There was once a discussion about the Royal Marines and the Special Boat Service. My assertion that SBS is part of the Royal Marines was challanged by someone who claims to be in the Royal Marines.

Here is it in black and white:

1. The SBS is not "part of the Royal Marines", it is part of UK Special Forces.

2. Our Royal is as genuine as you can get.

3. You're making a tit of yourself.Spot on.
And since we're plucking web links out of our arses
http://www.army.mod.uk/uksf/Special_Forces_Soldier_Reserve_/SBS.htm

[oldsoak]

Im getting suprised/confused now - wheres Royal ?
I always thought that the SBS was a SF unit raised from within the RM. Certainly you had to be a RM to apply for the SBS and you had to have certain number of years service. The ones I met wore RM berets and nothing else except para wings on SAS smocks, IIRC I cant remember seeing any other badge.

[AROUETLJ]

The SBS is part of the Royal Marines in the same way that the SAS is part of the Army. (What does "part of" mean anyway? How long is a piece of string?)

[mocking_loudly_died]

Waits for Royal - ignores everyones assumptions.

[fantassin]

The SBS has been recruiting from across the armed forces for a while.

I remember seeing in a Brit daily last year that squaddies from the Parachute Regiment had joined the SBS after joint SF selection and were wearing Parachute Regiment cap badges on the green beret. There was also a drawing of a potential new beret badge for the SBS (with a dagger, surprise, surprise...)

I also know that potential squadron commanders who used to be troop commander in the SAS are susceptible of being put in command of either an SAS or an SBS squadron when their time comes to be squadron cdr, regardless of the fact they were in the SBS before or not.

[AROUETLJ]

T'as raison Fantassin, but what I meant was that as far as regimental traditions and general administration go, the SBS is in practice part of the Royal Marines. The amphibious recce role also means that for some operations, the SBS would act as "forward recce" for a Royal Marine force.

Just to widen the discussion a little bit, I read on an Italian website (corpidelite.altervista.org) that 4/73 (Sphinx) Observation Battery is now under Directorate of Special Forces command. Is this complete bollocks?

[fantassin]

I'd be most surprised....the SF provides the Selection Sgt Major (SSM) for the SRPC course but AFAIK there are not part of DSF.

[MARK.TIGGER]

I would say alot in the STA op battries would like to be part of DSF the only one's I've heard of actually on DSF ops have been 148 Btry the NGFO battery of 29 (Commando) Regt RA.

[hank]

Well, all this may be true, but does SBS give foot massages? That is really the more important question.

hank

[Secret Squirrel]

Well, all this may be true, but does SBS give foot massages? That is really the more important question.

hank

I think the important question is has SBS developed a special tech. for giving foot massages, and not so much if they actually give them. woot

[hank]

Well, all this may be true, but does SBS give foot massages? That is really the more important question.

hank

I think the important question is has SBS developed a special tech. for giving foot massages, and not so much if they actually give them. woot

My mistake, you are correct sir. I guess we'll need to find an MOD site to define "special", won't we?

hank

[Gordon]

T'as raison Fantassin, but what I meant was that as far as regimental traditions and general administration go, the SBS is in practice part of the Royal Marines. The amphibious recce role also means that for some operations, the SBS would act as "forward recce" for a Royal Marine force.

Just to widen the discussion a little bit, I read on an Italian website (corpidelite.altervista.org) that 4/73 (Sphinx) Observation Battery is now under Directorate of Special Forces command. Is this complete bollocks?

The SBS would probably act as a "forward recce" force for the entire armed forces.

Recon troop / Brigade Patrol Group(think thats what its called) would act as a "forward recce" force for the Roiyal Marines.

[fantassin]

Actually it's BPT (brigade patrol troop) when it's on its own and BRF (brigade recce/raiding force) when it's beefed up by other units (148 Bty, Y Troop and the like and even Scimitars tanks during Op Telic.

[AROUETLJ]

Oh yes but I meant recce for an amphibious operation. Hydrographic recce and that sort of thing.

[moughoun]

This thread is very similar to the one started by that ****head Incubz :roll:

[ibstolidude]

1. read the title of the page
2. not just the web.. it's the official MOD site

perhaps your English skills are not very good:
"Elements of Special Forces: usually from the Special Boat Service Royal Marines,..."
DEATH IS IN THE DETAILS!!!

Elements of Special Forces: usually from the Special Boat Service Royal Marines, Special Forces may be assigned to the Brigade to conduct advance force operations. - if you need to be assigned to a major command you are outside that command. OPCON v/s TACON.

Although I am no UK forces guru; your quotes actually reflect the opposite of your comments -they proove nothing.

[Argyll]

The SBS has been recruiting from across the armed forces for a while.

I remember seeing in a Brit daily last year that squaddies from the Parachute Regiment had joined the SBS after joint SF selection and were wearing Parachute Regiment cap badges on the green beret. There was also a drawing of a potential new beret badge for the SBS (with a dagger, surprise, surprise...)

I also know that potential squadron commanders who used to be troop commander in the SAS are susceptible of being put in command of either an SAS or an SBS squadron when their time comes to be squadron cdr, regardless of the fact they were in the SBS before or not.

I'm a bit wary of these details,especially the bit about Para's wanting to Join the SBS and wearing the para beret badge.
From what I understand is that SAS/SBS selection are run jointly,until continuation training where the SBS/SAS candidates split into their respective cadres.
I'm not aware of the SBS being open to the rest of the Armed Forces either,I'm pretty certain they are drawn exclusivley from either the RM Brigades,including Engineers,Gunners etc,and also from RN personnel.
Having Para's going Seaborne sounds suspect.
I'll ask our STC's,as they are all former "Regiment" blokes,who will know this stuff.
SAS Personnel and SBS personnel have been known in the past to be bolstered by each other for Deployment and such things,and having either a Regiment bloke or an SBS bloke in charge of selection is nothing new,as they take it in turns as far as I know.

Royal will be able to kill this one stone dead........he's the real deal.

[FallenAngel]

LoL.. I never named names, but so far we have that the British government lies and some guy in the internet knows everything about the Royal Marines, even if what he says completely contradicts everything written by the MOD and the RM themselves.

You guys are too much!

I didn't say the British government lies, I said what's written on a website shouldn't be taken for Gospel purely because it's consider "official".

And yes, in this case, I certainly would believe Royal over that website. He's been a member just as long as I have (which was back when there was like a dozen people posting in the one forum we had back then) and is pretty much the authority here on Royal Marines. ;)

PS- if I remember correctly....Royal is in Iraq at the moment. Course...I could be wrong about that.

[Royal]

Sadly the SBS has never been the SBSRM.

Yes, the majority of pax are drawn from the RM, although as with the other units under DSF (it's parent organisation) it recruits from all three services.

Yes, there is a new cap badge (much to the consternation of the green Corps).

Yes, there was a Para Reg troop commander a while back.

Yes, there are frequent exchanges and postings for training and Ops throughout DSF and for SF pax to units who fall outside the scope of DSF.

No, 4/73 and 148 do not come under the aegis of DSF - both do work with SF on occasion (as do many other units).

Any more questions?

[Oxley]

Yay, Royal for president!

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Royal wrote,
Any more questions?

Yes, I have one, is tactical manta that hair dressing coastguard guy who was spouting suspect CQB drills awhile back or was that someone else?

Thanks in advance.

[kommando]

um royal just smashed

vote 1

why set out to disprove someone who is obviously the real deal
just becuase he is something youll never be

get over yourself

[moughoun]

Royal wrote,
Any more questions?

Yes, I have one, is tactical manta that hair dressing coastguard guy who was spouting suspect CQB drills awhile back or was that someone else?

Thanks in advance.

No,it couldn't be him, his under cover at Doctor pain's s&m palace in Chicago p-)

[oldsoak]

Any idea of what the new capbage looks like or when it came in ? Just curious, because the occasion I referred to was last year.
rgds

[Royal]

Royal wrote,
Any more questions?

Yes, I have one, is tactical manta that hair dressing coastguard guy who was spouting suspect CQB drills awhile back or was that someone else?

Thanks in advance.

It would appear so...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=229804&highlight=#229804

Any idea of what the new capbage looks like or when it came in ? Just curious, because the occasion I referred to was last year.
rgds

A navy blue shield with a silver sword rising through waves and the motto: By strength and guile (yes, they've even changed that).

[moughoun]

Royal wrote,
Any more questions?

Yes, I have one, is tactical manta that hair dressing coastguard guy who was spouting suspect CQB drills awhile back or was that someone else?

Thanks in advance.

It would appear so...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=229804&highlight=#229804

Any idea of what the new capbage looks like or when it came in ? Just curious, because the occasion I referred to was last year.
rgds

A navy blue shield with a silver sword rising through waves and the motto: By strength and guile (yes, they've even changed that).

I guess they are still looking for that 5th squadron for the SAS huh :slap:

[digrar]

:bash: to all people who want to mess with proud unit traditions. Grrr.

[Royal]

Seeing as TacticalTosspot's piece de resistance has been put up here I'd thought I'd add this one for posterity :)