China protests PM's visit to Arunachal

[sujithkochi]

BEIJING: China expressed strong dissatisfaction on Tuesday over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s weekend visit to Arunachal Pradesh.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's trip to Arunachal Pradesh to woo voters ahead of Monday’s assembly elections came despite Beijing's serious concerns, China’s foreign ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said in a statement posted on the ministry's website.

``We demand the Indian side address China's serious and just concerns and not trigger disturbances in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,'' the statement said.

The protest reflects enduring Chinese sensitivities over the mountainous state, which shares a 640-mile (1,030-kilometer) unfenced border with China.

The Asian giants fought a border war in 1962 and the frontier has yet to be settled despite 13 rounds of talks on the issue.

China claims the region as its own territory and has never recognized a British colonial-era border known as the McMahon Line that designated the region as part of India. China also occupies a chunk of territory in Kashmir that India regards as its own.

Most recently, China sought to block part of a loan to India from the Asian Development Bank earmarked for projects in Arunachal Pradesh. Beijing also protested a visit to the region last month by exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama, to no avail.

China's protests and continuing claims have fueled Indian fears of military aggression, prompting calls for New Delhi to reinforce military units on its side of the border.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/China-protests-PMs-visit-to-Arunachal/articleshow/5118757.cms

Now even Indian PM needs the go ahead from China to travel within our own country!!!

[ASHISH67]

The sooner India deploys agni 3 and agni 5 missiles the better we cannot trust china.

[Alok]

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/13/china-protests-pms-visit-to-arunachal.htm
China on Tuesday expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's [ Images ] visit to Arunachal Pradesh during electioneering for the state assembly poll. 'We demand the Indian side address China's serious concerns and not trigger disturbance in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,' Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said. 'China is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China's serious concerns,' Ma said in a statement posted on the ministry's website. He noted that China and India had 'never officially settled' demarcation of their border, and China's stance on the eastern section of the China-India border was 'consistent and clear-cut'. Dr Singh had toured and addressed an election rally in Arunachal Pradesh on October 3. Recently, China had blocked part of a loan to India from the Asian Development Bank [ Get Quote ] (ADB) for developmental projects in Arunachal Pradesh. China also protested a visit to the state last month by exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama [ Images ]. India says China is illegally occupying 43,180 sq km of Jammu and Kashmir [ Images ]. On the other hand, China accuses India of possessing some 90,000 sq km of Chinese territory, mostly in Arunachal Pradesh. © Copyright 2009 PTI. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of PTI content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent. I am waiting for the day when We will avenge the "Back Stabbing"...Dr. Singh, the whole India is with you to teach the wicked a lesson or two...

[hulaku]

Already posted

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=166828

[hulaku]

The Chicom Government getting antsy in the pantsy again.p-)

Maybe the PM should have taken the Dalai Lama along. Would have even been better.

But anyway its just an official protest which was expected by the Indian Government. Nothing new here.

[sujithkochi]

By not taking a strong stance against the so called protest by China regarding our own territory, we are acknowledging it to be a disputed territory

[JBH22]

China mind ur own business!!!

[VAMAN]

India should give a befitting reply to China's diplomatic aggressions. But Manmohan Singh is confused as ever.

[tusiki]

The Chicom Government getting antsy in the pantsy again.p-)

Maybe the PM should have taken the Dalai Lama along. Would have even been better.

But anyway its just an official protest which was expected by the Indian Government. Nothing new here.

IMO, your governor are so antsy that he can't stay in his office. What happened? p-)

[hulaku]

IMO, your governor are so antsy that he can't stay in his office. What happened? p-)

I will tell you why he can't stay in his office.

He was elected to office as he is the leader of the party which won the majority in the largest democratic election exercise on the planet in which 400 million people voted.

With the regional elections coming up, which were held today, he went there to campaign for his party in elections. In India politicians are answerable to the people and have to go to the people and ask for votes. If they do not do so then they do not get elected. Unlike the Commissar Members of the Politburo of the Great Communist Party our leaders dont have the luxury of ruling the people from their palaces.

[tusiki]

I will tell you why he can't stay in his office.

He was elected to office as he is the leader of the party which won the majority in the largest democratic election exercise on the planet in which 400 million people voted.

With the regional elections coming up, which were held today, he went there to campaign for his party in elections. In India politicians are answerable to the people and have to go to the people and ask for votes. If they do not do so then they do not get elected. Unlike the Commissar Members of the Politburo of the Great Communist Party our leaders dont have the luxury of ruling the people from their palaces.
It's strange that why paper works, so-called democracy, needs material works.

Paper Elephant can't bear too much. p-)



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[Ordie]

Why would China be upset at the Indian PM making a domestic visit?

[tusiki]

Ordie well-informed with knowledges about China don't konw that Zangnan(Arunachal) is a disputed territory!? Are you kidding me?

[hulaku]

Ordie well-informed with knowledges about China don't konw that Zangnan(Arunachal) is a disputed territory!? Are you kidding me?

It is Indian territory, India controls and India runs it. And yes the people have the right in Arunachal to elect their own leaders.

Anyway have you kept the red skirt you wore during the paradep-)

[dredger14]

And the chinese wonder why they are so despised..

Trying to tell people of another country what they should or should not do in their own country.
Guess the authoritarian system extends over the border.

[dredger14]

It's strange that why paper works, so-called democracy, needs material works.

Paper Elephant can't bear too much. p-)



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Keep trying

[Solvent]

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/13/china-protests-pms-visit-to-arunachal.htm I am waiting for the day when We will avenge the "Back Stabbing"...Dr. Singh, the whole India is with you to teach the wicked a lesson or two...

Two threads? Somebody is really upset. :)
You guys have done enough talking. Just curious when the army will be dispatched.

Mao said the war will bring 50 years peace to the border. Looks like it's about time.

[tusiki]

It is Indian territory, India controls and India runs it. And yes the people have the right in Arunachal to elect their own leaders.

Anyway have you kept the red skirt you wore during the paradep-)
Is one defeat not enough? p-)

[dredger14]

Two threads? Somebody is really upset. :)
You guys have done enough talking. Just curious when the army will be dispatched.

Mao said the war will bring 50 years peace to the border. Looks like it's about time.

Mao's predictions? About time?? Guess they don't teach the Chinese those parts of history that have ended with loss of face.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Sino-Indian_skirmish

[dredger14]

Is one defeat not enough? p-)

Tell that to your self when mourning "National Humiliation Day", beaten by a country that was smaller and had a smaller army. Poof's...

[tusiki]

And the chinese wonder why they are so despised..

Trying to tell people of another country what they should or should not do in their own country.
Guess the authoritarian system extends over the border.
Chinese are not saying that non-disputed territory is ours.

Are you come from a Police State? :bash:

[hulaku]

Are you come from a Police State? :bash:
That is a joke right, comrade?

[dredger14]

Chinese are not saying that non-disputed territory is ours.

Are you come from a Police State? :bash:

Then what does it matter if some leader visits the disputed territory?? Does it really make a difference?? Why do you care about the Dalai Lama, smart people would wait till the old man died. the Chinese are themselves to blame for ruining their international image.

[tusiki]

Tell that to your self when mourning "National Humiliation Day", beaten by a country that was smaller and had a smaller army. Poof's...
We can bear such things. Can you?

BTW, apparently, The confliction was instigated by India.

[Solvent]

Tell that to your self when mourning "National Humiliation Day", beaten by a country that was smaller and had a smaller army. Poof's...

Hahaha, talking about beaten by a smaller country and occupied by the smaller country. I admire your guys' thick skin.

I am out of here before the thread get locked. Have fun.

[tusiki]

That is a joke right, comrade?
Apparently, no joke, just pun. Comrade. rofl

[hulaku]

India on Tuesday reiterated that the state of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral and inalienable part of the country.

A Ministry of External Affairs spokesman issued the statement shortly after China expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's recent visit to Arunachal Pradesh for electioneering.

"The state of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral and inalienable part of India. The people of Arunachal Pradesh are citizens of India. They are proud participants in the mainstream of India's vibrant democracy. The Chinese side is well aware of this position of the Government of India," said the official spokesperson.

"It is well established practice in our democratic system that our leaders visit states where elections to Parliament and to the state assemblies are taking place. The Government of India is deeply committed to ensuring the welfare of its own citizens across the length and breadth of our country," the official spokesperson added.

Expressing disappointment over the statement made by the official spokesman of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the official spokesperson said: "India and China have jointly agreed that the outstanding boundary question will be discussed by the special representatives appointed by the two Governments. We, therefore, express our disappointment and concern over the statement made by the official spokesman of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, since this does not help the process of ongoing negotiations between the two governments on the boundary question."

"India is committed to resolving outstanding differences with China in a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable manner, while ensuring that such differences are not allowed to affect the positive development of bilateral relations. We hope that the Chinese side will similarly abide by this understanding," the official spokesperson added.

'We demand the Indian side address China's serious concerns and not trigger disturbance in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,' Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said earlier in the day.

'China is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China's serious concerns,' Ma said in a statement posted on the ministry's website.

He noted that China and India had 'never officially settled' demarcation of their border, and China's stance on the eastern section of the China-India border was 'consistent and clear-cut'.

Dr Singh had toured and addressed an election rally in Arunachal Pradesh on October 3.

Recently, China had blocked part of a loan to India from the Asian Development Bank (ADB) for developmental projects in Arunachal Pradesh. China also protested a visit to the state last month by exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama [ Images (http://search.rediff.com/imgsrch/default.php?MT=dalai+lama) ].

India says China is illegally occupying 43,180 sq km of Jammu and Kashmir . On the other hand, China accuses India of possessing some 90,000 sq km of Chinese territory, mostly in Arunachal Pradesh
http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/13/china-protests-pms-visit-to-arunachal.htm

[AL-Khalid]

The problem with indians is western compliments about their fututre super power potential ( highly doubtfull). Now they are over confident and over estimating themselves and can make mistake regarding china, can they take on china?

[tusiki]

Then what does it matter if some leader visits the disputed territory?? Does it really make a difference?? Why do you care about the Dalai Lama, smart people would wait till the old man died. the Chinese are themselves to blame for ruining their international image.
Are you implying that the lifetime of India are comparable with the Dalai Lame? :roll:

[dredger14]

We can bear such things. Can you?
humiliation day, and China is the only country that has one.
BTW, apparently, The confliction was instigated by India.
Apparently you cannot form your own judgement


Hahaha, talking about beaten by a smaller country and occupied by the smaller country. I admire your guys' thick skin.
India was divided among over 200 different kingdoms when the British "invaded", but okay I will concede that.

I am out of here before the thread get locked. Have fun.

I don't think anyone in India wants war, not when people are finally coming out of poverty faster then ever before, I also don't think China has anything to gain from conflict either, over a small(relatively) part of territory. A lot a Chinese accuse Indian's of "playing the lackey" and doing the "American's bidding", stop for one moment and think what statements like the one in the OP make on the other country.

PEACE.

[dredger14]

{{{{Random thoughtless ranting}}}}
I thought I smelt a turd, I guess I was right.


Are you implying that the lifetime of India are comparable with the Dalai Lame? :roll:

Never mind, India has too many problems as it is, without going to war with a nuclear power. No-one in India apart from a minuscule portion(Tibetans) cares about the Lama. He almost never comes on the news, unless of course it has something to do with Chinese state visits, or anything else Chinese.
In simple words, the Dalai Lama matters in India only when the "Chinese angle" is involved.

[plato]

The problem with indians is western compliments about their fututre super power potential ( highly doubtfull). Now they are over confident and over estimating themselves and can make mistake regarding china, can they take on china?
Why should they take on China?

[hulaku]

Why should they take on China?

Please ignore him he's just a butthurt troll.

[tusiki]

Apparently you cannot form your own judgement



I don't think anyone in India wants war, not when people are finally coming out of poverty faster then ever before, I also don't think China has anything to gain from conflict either, over a small(relatively) part of territory. A lot a Chinese accuse Indian's of "playing the lackey" and doing the "American's bidding", stop for one moment and think what statements like the one in the OP make on the other country.

PEACE.
Do you mean that Chiese should perpetrate in killing to demonstrate something?

[dredger14]

Do you mean that Chiese should perpetrate in killing to demonstrate something?

No, I meant that the Chinese fail to realize what long term effects comments like this make on the populace of a neighboring country.
The main source of strength for the Dalai Lama on the international stage are tactless comments and actions of CCP officials. If they played it smart and waited for the old man to die, it would have greatly helped chinas "soft image", instead of the current image of authoritarian giant.

That was my point.


Why should they take on China?

The last thing both countries want is war, not with two largest populations and long range nukes. Thoughtless diplomacy.....

[plato]

India has been having a trade deficit for many years now, and still can grow almost as fast as China (which has a huge trade surplus). Second fastest growth rate in the world, if i am not mistaken. Not to mention her advances in space, etc...So, how can anyone call this as a "paper elephant" is beyond me.

[hulaku]

On a lighter note.

Chinese singing Bollywood song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CELW8KKc4ng

[tusiki]

India has been having a trade deficit for many years now, and still can grow almost as fast as China (which has a huge trade surplus). Second fastest growth rate in the world, if i am not mistaken. Not to mention her advances in space, etc...So, how can anyone call this as a "paper elephant" is beyond me.
Do you see China as a paper one?

[tusiki]

The last thing both countries want is war, not with two largest populations and long range nukes. Thoughtless diplomacy.....
How do you know such thing? :roll:

[dredger14]

India has been having a trade deficit for many years now, and still can grow almost as fast as China (which has a huge trade surplus). Second fastest growth rate in the world, if i am not mistaken. Not to mention her advances in space, etc...So, how can anyone call this as a "paper elephant" is beyond me.

Its strange how people always relate China=Dragon, US=Eagle etc-etc.
Whereas India=cow/elephant LOL
India has 28 states and 7 union territories each culture and language different, greatly varying from the last. But one thing is common to all cultures, one animal, the national animal, vehicle of the gods and most cherished cultural icon--> The Royal Indian Tiger

[muttbutt]

Ordie well-informed with knowledges about China don't konw that Zangnan(Arunachal) is a disputed territory!? Are you kidding me?
Your trolling...

[plato]

Do you see China as a paper one?

How can China be a paper one? No, I don't. China is simply China.

[dredger14]

How do you know such thing? :roll:

India will gain nothing and loose much, whether the skirmish/conflict/battle/war is won or lost.

[plato]

Its strange how people always relate China=Dragon, US=Eagle etc-etc.
Whereas India=cow/elephant LOL
India has 28 states and 7 union territories each culture and language different, greatly varying from the last. But one thing is common to all cultures, one animal, the national animal, vehicle of the gods and most cherished cultural icon--> The Royal Indian Tiger

chairman Mao referred to US as "paper tiger".

[Ordie]

Mao said the war will bring 50 years peace to the border. Looks like it's about time.

I expect you to be the first volunteer.

[Ordie]

Ordie well-informed with knowledges about China don't konw that Zangnan(Arunachal) is a disputed territory!? Are you kidding me?

Do you mean the McMahon Line?

[Bohemoth]

China mind ur own business!!!
True, China should know the meaning of "Internal Affairs" better than any other country on this planet. rofl

[TheMiddlePath]

Perhaps someone from the Indian side can explain how AP or South Tibet became part of India.

Both China and India have long civilization dating back thousands of years. I am sure both can find a honorable solution.

Similarly, on the other issue with the border, why do any Indians or Chinese want a border between two great civilizations to be named after a British General.

[hulaku]

Perhaps someone from the Indian side can explain how AP or South Tibet became part of India.
I guess it became a part of British Imperial India after the British invasion of Tibet and after that the demarcation of the border in subsequent pacts/ agreements. This is my personal opinion I could be wrong though.


Both China and India have long civilization dating back thousands of years. I am sure both can find a honorable solution.
I agree with you totally.


Similarly, on the other issue with the border, why do any Indians or Chinese want a border between two great civilizations to be named after a British General.
As I mentioned before the border was demarcated between British India and Tibet and was named after a British general. Besides this the border between British India and Afghanistan was the Durand Line and the border between India and Pakistan was the Radcliffe Line.

But as they say what's in a name.

[VAMAN]

Do you mean the McMahon Line?
It is ironical that China recognizes McMahon Line with Myanmar but not with India.

[pg_ord]

It is ironical that China recognizes McMahon Line with Myanmar but not with India.
Not to mention their unwillingness to exchange maps of their perception of what border is of all "disputed" territories, clearly this is done so as to obfuscate and keep the disputes simmering, repeat of 1950's and 1960's tactic to keep India on its toes. :roll:

[TheMiddlePath]

I guess it became a part of British Imperial India after the British invasion of Tibet and after that the demarcation of the border in subsequent pacts/ agreements. This is my personal opinion I could be wrong though.

So when India was given independent, should not India negociate its borders with China given that no Chinese government have ever agree with the so call "subsequent pacts/ agreements"

I beleive that is standard procedure. To unilaterally declare a border without consulting with your neighbor is not being a good neighbor.

[TheMiddlePath]

It is ironical that China recognizes McMahon Line with Myanmar but not with India.

What is important is that China and Myanmar resolved their borders bilaterary. Both sides agreed to the border and Mcmahon line is only a small part of the entire border. Not to mention that China has resolved all its land border with all its neigbors except India. Borders can only be solve in a give and take atmosphere.

Look, what China is asking for is an honnorable solution to the border. Agreeable to both sides. Both India and China are already large countries and the disputed territories are not that significant.

By going to the table and saying if China agreed with Myanmar why not India.... is just the same as China saying if we can solve all the land borders with all our neighbors in a give and take, why can't India do the same which I think is more reasonable.

[ASHISH67]

What is important is that China and Myanmar resolved their borders bilaterary. Both sides agreed to the border and Mcmahon line is only a small part of the entire border. Not to mention that China has reloved all its land border with all its neigbors except India. Borders can only be solve in a give and take atmosphere.

Look, what China is asking for is an honnorable solution to the border. Agreeable to both sides.

By going to the table and saying if China agreed with Myanmar why not India.... is just the same as China saying if we can solve all the land borders with all our neighbors in a give and take, why can't India do the same.

First of all nothing against chinese people but have huge problem with chinese govt.You said give and take relation what did china give it only took lands from other countries second india is no myanmar we will not get bullied like other countries and give our land to china.

[CS1.6]

what you guys talking about here is very boring

[ATV]

Its strange how people always relate China=Dragon, US=Eagle etc-etc.
Whereas India=cow/elephant LOL
India has 28 states and 7 union territories each culture and language different, greatly varying from the last. But one thing is common to all cultures, one animal, the national animal, vehicle of the gods and most cherished cultural icon--> The Royal Indian Tiger


just like that p-)


http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/tiger.jpg

[gsk6u]

Just in...

India objects to Chinese activities in PoK


NEW DELHI: A day after India and China sparred over the ownership status of Arunachal Pradesh, India on Wednesday said that China must cease
activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). ( Watch Video (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5123467.cms) )

Hitting back at China, India took objection to its engagement in projects in Pakistan occupied Kashmir and asked it to cease such activities taking "long-term view" of India-China relations.

read more

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-objects-to-Chinese-activities-in-PoK/articleshow/5123212.cms

[VAMAN]

What is important is that China and Myanmar resolved their borders bilaterary. Both sides agreed to the border and Mcmahon line is only a small part of the entire border. Not to mention that China has resolved all its land border with all its neigbors except India. Borders can only be solve in a give and take atmosphere.
FYI, China and Myanmar had no border dispute, so no question of resolving their borders bilaterally. The entire border between China and Myanmar used to be called McMahon Line. China unilaterally recognized McMahon Line with Myanmar and renamed it as traditional boundary. Maybe Chinese wanted to show it as different from from it's border with India.

Talks with China can only take place when both the sides trust each other to some extent. At one hand China is illegally occupying 37,000+ sq. kms of Aksai Chin, on the other hand China claims the whole of Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, and the reason they give is that the 6th Dalai Lama was born in Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh. What a lame excuse it is like saying the whole of Ireland belongs to USA because Bill Clinton's forefathers were born in Ireland. :|



Look, what China is asking for is an honnorable solution to the border. Agreeable to both sides. Both India and China are already large countries and the disputed territories are not that significant.
Honourable solution? First China needs to stop it's arrogant ways. It is so very rude to tell the PM of a sovereign country not to go around in his own country. And why China blocked ADB loan to Arunachal? China is not creating good vibes.



By going to the table and saying if China agreed with Myanmar why not India.... is just the same as China saying if we can solve all the land borders with all our neighbors in a give and take, why can't India do the same which I think is more reasonable.
As I said before the border between Myanmar - China and North East India - China were created by same people with same intentions. It was called McMahon Line. But China invaded Tibet and annexed it, and they are claiming India's territory which has historical links with Tibet. This problem was never present with Myanmar.

Now again time will tell if China has really resolved all it's border disputes as you have claimed.

[hulaku]

Slamming Chinese objections to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh, IAF vice chief PK Barbora said why did they not create a similar ruckus when President Pratibha Patil visited recently. He says Chinese reaction was triggered by successful polls there.

China on Tuesday had expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh during electioneering.

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious concerns and not trigger disturbance in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of Sino-India relations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu had said on Tuesday.

"China is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China's serious concerns," Ma said in a statement posted on the ministry's website.http://www.hindustantimes.com/IAF-vice-chief-slams-Chinese-objections-to-PM-s-visit/H1-Article1-465117.aspx

[lzdbb]

The Chicom Government getting antsy in the pantsy again.p-)

Maybe the PM should have taken the Dalai Lama along. Would have even been better.

But anyway its just an official protest which was expected by the Indian Government. Nothing new here.


Do you really want a war?
I just can't understand why do you so dislike peace?

[hulaku]

Do you really want a war?
No.

I just can't understand why do you so dislike peace?
We dont.

[lzdbb]

No.

We dont.

But look at your words, I think it's very hawkish, and you also mean that.
If you like peace, we should can find some peaceful word in your words, while I only see hawkish one.
Dude, I don't think it's very good for indian to break a war against china. Do you really believe that indian army can beat up PLA, I really want to know your real idea about this question.


Originally Posted by hulaku
The Chicom Government getting antsy in the pantsy again.

Maybe the PM should have taken the Dalai Lama along. Would have even been better.

But anyway its just an official protest which was expected by the Indian Government. Nothing new here.

[Ordie]

All the hawkish posters regardless of nationality probably never spent a day in uniform.

[Solvent]

All the hawkish posters regardless of nationality probably never spent a day in uniform.

Yeah, they should learn from me, very humble and considerate. Where is my hug Ordie. :)

[StinkyStreet]

Ordie why do you troll threads up?

The McMahon Line was a line in the sand drawn by the Brits in the early 1900s, China didn't like it but it couldn't really do jack because it was a weakass county and the British, the Empire of Japan, Russia, Italy, United States, Germany were all getting ready to carve up China

After WW2 the USA and China had very little contact despite both being allied to each other, the States bet their money on a guy called Kai-shek. That was the bulk of US diplomacy to China, supply bombs and guns to one military nut vs another...what a great way the US treated its WW2 ally
anyway a different guy called Mao won, the USA put its money on the wrong horse.
India through being a pawn of the Brits and States or through its own personal ambitions also was picking a side, they backed religious and militant nutbags connected to the Lama, they gave him refuge and India placed outposts way beyond the McMahon Line and inside Chinese territory
when the civil war ended it was time for India to do something either "SH*T" or "GET OFF THE POT" they stayed sitting there with outposts inside Chicom territory and got caught with their pants down

All the India-China McMahon junk goes back to sleep when Nixon visits China, Tricky plays the Chinese against the Russians and India decide to become a bunch of Russia stooges for a few decades

[WingCommander]

why dont they go in and take it instead of weeping like 12 year old girls ??

afterall you are mighty china :roll: or is that just bs propaganda ?

*20 cents await you* p-)

[Ordie]

why dont they go in and take it instead of weeping like 12 year old girls ??

afterall you are mighty china :roll: or is that just bs propaganda ?

*20 cents await you* p-)

They did in 1962, but withdrew.

[CS1.6]

why dont they go in and take it instead of weeping like 12 year old girls ??

afterall you are mighty china :roll: or is that just bs propaganda ?

*20 cents await you* p-)

a good reason to be suspended, waiting for the mod.

[Jiggy]

^ sounds like he hurt your feelings.

would you like a tissue ?

[sujithkochi]

Do you really want a war?
I just can't understand why do you so dislike peace?

Is that a threat? because i dont see hulaku mention war anywhere

are u threatening war if dalai lama travels with our PM in our own country?

[TheMiddlePath]

FYI, China and Myanmar had no border dispute, so no question of resolving their borders bilaterally. The entire border between China and Myanmar used to be called McMahon Line. China unilaterally recognized McMahon Line with Myanmar and renamed it as traditional boundary. Maybe Chinese wanted to show it as different from from it's border with India..

Nonetheless, both sides agreed to the border.


Talks with China can only take place when both the sides trust each other to some extent. At one hand China is illegally occupying 37,000+ sq. kms of Aksai Chin, on the other hand China claims the whole of Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, and the reason they give is that the 6th Dalai Lama was born in Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh. What a lame excuse it is like saying the whole of Ireland belongs to USA because Bill Clinton's forefathers were born in Ireland. :|.

I think you are avoiding the real issue China has with South Tibet.
Perhaps you do not know how AP or South Tibet became Indian Territories. Or you do not want to know. At least Hulaku admitted that it was taken by the British in an invasion and later annex by India without any agreement with China.


Honourable solution? First China needs to stop it's arrogant ways. It is so very rude to tell the PM of a sovereign country not to go around in his own country. And why China blocked ADB loan to Arunachal? China is not creating good vibes..

It is standard practise in the world to object to any government official visit to a disputed territories. Or perhaps you do not know and do not want to know.
If China do not object, that in itself can be used later against China.



As I said before the border between Myanmar - China and North East India - China were created by same people with same intentions. It was called McMahon Line. But China invaded Tibet and annexed it, and they are claiming India's territory which has historical links with Tibet. This problem was never present with Myanmar.

Now again time will tell if China has really resolved all it's border disputes as you have claimed.

Again why do you avoid that fact that the Dalai Lama himself signed the 17 point agreement and open the gates of Lhasa to PLA. PLA did not attack Tibet. PLA peacefully liberated Tibet and later freed the slaves and serfs.


You should not avoid FACTS.

[Chulo]

Again why do you avoid that fact that the Dalai Lama himself signed the 21 point agreement and open the gates of Lhasa to PLA. PLA did not attack Tibet. PLA peacefully liberated Tibet and later freed the slaves and serfs.


You should not avoid FACTS.
Surfing slaves? I think someone is not getting their facts right, there is no beach in Tibet

[sujithkochi]

It is standard practise in the world to object to any government official visit to a disputed territories. Or perhaps you do not know and do not want to know.
If China do not object, that in itself can be used later against China.

You should not avoid FACTS.

Tell that to the more than 70% population who turned up to vote for the elections conducted by INDIA - ask them if they consider AP a disputed territory

and that is a FACT