View Full Version : "Compensated Dating" on the rise in Hong Kong
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 03:18 PM
How far would you go to buy a new cellphone or handbag?
Girls sell *** in Hong Kong to earn shopping money
HONG KONG, China (CNN) -- She doesn't want to be identified, except by her nickname "Sze," and she has a secret past. Her father doesn't know what she did as a 16-year-old, and she hopes he never finds out. But Sze, now 19, wants young girls to hear her story so they never make the same mistake.
"My first customer was an ordinary man in his 40s. We skipped the dinner part and went straight to the guest house for ***," Sze recalled. "Actually, I was a bit scared, but I knew this was the only way I could get money. This customer wasn't bad, though. We just had ***, he paid, and then he left. I thought this was easy money, and that's why I continued doing this kind of thing."
For a year and a half, Sze was part of a growing social phenomenon among teens in Hong Kong called "compensated dating," a practice in which a young woman agrees to go on a date with a man for a fee. More often than not, the date involves ***.
Sze said she started compensated dating because many of her classmates at an all-girls school were doing it. She says she became jealous when she saw the designer clothes, bags and cosmetics they bought with the money they earned through compensated dating. Sze wanted the same for herself, so her classmates introduced her to Internet chat forums where she met male customers. Watch young women describe why they do it »
The practice can have deadly consequences. Last year, a 16-year-old Hong Kong girl was killed in a gruesome murder after she went to a 24-year-old man's apartment for a compensated date. The man, Ting Kai-Tai, killed the teenager, dismembered her body and flushed the remains down the toilet. A jury convicted him of murder and sentenced him to life in prison.
Sze told CNN she knew a compensated date could go horribly wrong. She would set ground rules with clients on the phone first. She charged them $350 for a date and clarified how many times she would have *** with them.
She said sometimes the customers would stray from the rules, asking for more *** or refusing to wear a condom.
"Sometimes, I did feel shame. I kept asking myself why I had to do this kind of thing to make money. But the feeling didn't stay long. I would relax when I wanted to buy something. I just thought I could always quit after a short time or whenever I wanted," Sze said.
Most girls who engage in compensated dating don't view themselves as prostitutes, said social worker Chiu Tak-Choi.
"For the girls, they don't think so because they think they can quit anytime. The girls -- even though they post their details on the Internet -- they think they can quit. Even if they encounter the guys, if he is not good-looking, she can quit and say 'I don't do it.' They think they have a lot of power to control whether they do it or not, so they think of it very differently from prostitution."
Chiu, the social worker, is currently working with about 20 girls who are trying to leave the world of compensated dating. It is hard to quantify how big the problem is in Hong Kong because the business is conducted under the radar, he said.
Chiu believes the problem is getting worse because his caseload has doubled in the past two years.
Prostitution is illegal in Hong Kong, and legal experts say that compensated dating is a form of prostitution. "The law prohibits soliciting for immoral purpose," said Stephen Hung, a criminal litigator with Pang, Wan & Choi. "When a court looks at sentencing, the greater the age difference, the more serious it (the sentence) is."
Why do young girls get involved in compensated dating? The reasons vary from an unstable home life to a desire for material goods, Chiu said.
One 14-year-old girl told him she started compensated dating when she lost her cell phone. She said her parents wouldn't buy her a new one, so she thought she could earn some fast money with paid ***. She had her eye on an expensive cell phone. When the money from the first compensated date didn't cover the cost for the new phone, she went on a second paid date.
Girls involved in compensated dating don't necessarily come from poor families, Chiu said. They are from all levels of socioeconomic classes, he said. Improved family communication is one solution to preventing girls from becoming involved in compensated dating, Chiu said.
"The family has to do its part. I think caring for children is very important. Whenever they have problems, they can ask someone for help."
Sze said she was saved by a social worker who stepped in on her behalf. After a pregnancy scare and a number of unpredictable customers, Sze said her self-esteem plummeted. The social worker helped her get back on track.
"She helped me understand that making money respectably is actually not that hard in Hong Kong. I finally realized that it was wrong to make money by selling my body. It just wasn't worth it."
Sze now works at a hair salon to earn a living. She has tried to talk her old friends out of compensated dating, but they are not listening, she said.
"They felt annoyed when I talked to them about this. I'm now reluctant to get in touch with them. They just tell me they're different. Maybe they have more serious family problems or some other burdens. I know I can't control their thinking, so I just stopped trying to help them."
The pursuit of material wealth robs people of their souls... and in this case, their dignity.
There's no doubt this trend will spread deeper into Asia. :-(
hulaku
10-13-2009, 03:24 PM
Women/ Men sell *** for money all over the planet. Its called Prostitution, the oldest profession on the planet. So whats new?
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 03:32 PM
Women/ Men sell *** for money all over the planet. Its called Prostitution, the oldest profession on the planet. So whats new?
It's the age/social demographic that I'm worried about; a lot of these kids go to school regularly and are from generally well-off families, but they feel they have to engage in this sort of activity anyway.
Ordie
10-13-2009, 03:33 PM
Women/ Men sell *** for money all over the planet. Its called Prostitution, the oldest profession on the planet. So whats new?
What's new is that the girls in question are privilaged, spoiled and envious.
RuneX2
10-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Women/ Men sell *** for money all over the planet. Its called Prostitution, the oldest profession on the planet. So whats new?I don't know. I guess it may be new that normal young girls have been so brainwashed by the consumer culture that they are prostituting themselves for trinkets like designer clothes, bags and cosmetics, which are basically without value – rather than it being more social marginalized girls that are prostituting themselves for more substantial reasons.
Breakfast in Vegas
10-13-2009, 03:38 PM
It's a completely normal thing in Eastern Europe as well, called "sponsorship". Obviously not every girl does it as it is a form of prostitution, but it isn't considered totally socially unacceptable either.
As in the recent Hong Kong trend, it isn't so much about young women doing it to survive but rather to enjoy the fast track lifestyle or at least it's fashionable trappings.
There was a recent scandal in Italy about the same thing, again with girls of high school age.
Red_Fern
10-13-2009, 03:41 PM
"Compensated dating" i.e.; prostitution.
But as others said, it's the age of girls involved that make this so alarming.
dredger14
10-13-2009, 03:41 PM
Materialistic culture!!
This sort of thing will only increase.
It's a completely normal thing in Eastern Europe as well, called "sponsorship". Obviously not every girl does it as it is a form of prostitution, but it isn't considered totally socially unacceptable either.
As in the recent Hong Kong trend, it isn't so much about young women doing it to survive but rather to enjoy the fast track lifestyle or at least it's fashionable trappings.
What is this "sponsorship" you speak of?
Dextermination
10-13-2009, 03:43 PM
Stupid society.
CombatBoots
10-13-2009, 03:43 PM
"It's just ***", that is what makes it "ok".
The limits of what is morally acceptable behaviour have shifted a lot.
wildcat
10-13-2009, 03:44 PM
Women/ Men sell *** for money all over the planet. Its called Prostitution, the oldest profession on the planet. So whats new?
I don't think it is the oldest, they has to be one older, for the guy to earn then money to pay. It probably hunting or something.
wildcat
10-13-2009, 03:45 PM
"Compensated dating" i.e.; prostitution.
But as others said, it's the age of girls involved that make this so alarming.
young girls are prostitutes all over the world, no difference.
Breakfast in Vegas
10-13-2009, 03:45 PM
What is this "sponsorship" you speak of?Girls getting a monthy (or whatever) fee from guys to be their girlfriends/mistresses/social jewelry.
Red_Fern
10-13-2009, 03:47 PM
young girls are prostitutes all over the world, no difference.
I'm not disagreeing, it's just sad. That's what I was getting at.
wildcat
10-13-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm not disagreeing, it's just sad. That's what I was getting at.
it is very sad, seeing girls doing this kind of stuff.
BearInBunnySuit
10-13-2009, 03:49 PM
I don't think it is the oldest, they has to be one older, for the guy to earn then money to pay. It probably hunting or something.
Haha, good one.
young girls are prostitutes all over the world, no difference.
No
Red_Fern
10-13-2009, 03:50 PM
Very sad indeed. Why does it seem nothing is done to close loopholes which allow this to be legal? Or is prostitution totally legal in these localities?
Switek
10-13-2009, 03:50 PM
How far would you go to buy a new cellphone or handbag?
The pursuit of material wealth robs people of their souls... and in this case, their dignity.
There's no doubt this trend will spread deeper into Asia. :-(
Nothing new. Well, some girls who attended to my high/grammar school prostituted themselves with foreign (mainly German) tourists for new pair of jeans or cosmetics in mid and late 1980's... This is called fast consumed consumption.
Ordie
10-13-2009, 03:54 PM
Materialistic culture!!
This sort of thing will only increase.
Materialism is the new opiate of the masses.
Switek
10-13-2009, 04:05 PM
Consumption is the new opiate of the masses.
Fixed.... p-)
Ordie
10-13-2009, 04:07 PM
Fixed.... p-)
Dzieki............
coltfan111
10-13-2009, 04:09 PM
It's the exact same as escorting.
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 04:15 PM
Very sad indeed. Why does it seem nothing is done to close loopholes which allow this to be legal? Or is prostitution totally legal in these localities?
Any kind of prostitution is totally illegal in Hong Kong.
The police have been cracking down on this trend since the murder case mentioned in the article. The problem is that it's occurring everywhere, and the girls are generally good at being discrete.
Ordie
10-13-2009, 04:16 PM
Where are the parents?
Breakfast in Vegas
10-13-2009, 04:17 PM
Where are the parents?Well Dad is out buying cell phones for his concubines.
Seriously, they probably have no idea.
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 04:21 PM
Where are the parents?
The're probably doing what typical Hong Kongers try to do; make money, and more of it.
Money makes your world happy, right?
:bash:
brainplay
10-13-2009, 04:27 PM
It's the exact same as escorting.
Escorts and sugar babies are the same thing but the majority are adults where as these are underage kids. There are actually websites specifically for sugar baby/daddy hookups. Its crazy.
dredger14
10-13-2009, 04:38 PM
Compensated Dating is not something endemic to Japan or HK, it is only a matter of time for teenage girls in the West or elsewhere to catch on to how "easy" it is to make money.
What with all the Paris Hilton's and britney wannabes. Pathetic
Girls getting a monthy (or whatever) fee from guys to be their girlfriends/mistresses/social jewelry.
Thats sad, but i guess if Claudia can do it for that magician guy then anyone else can.
Ordie
10-13-2009, 05:29 PM
The're probably doing what typical Hong Kongers try to do; make money, and more of it.
Money makes your world happy, right?
:bash:
When are the Chinese going to learn that money does not always lead towards improved quality of life.
hmm
well
When I was in Jr High, the hottest girls had relationships with "Sugar Daddies" which is pretty much the same just disguised
eskachig
10-13-2009, 06:06 PM
I don't think it is the oldest, they has to be one older, for the guy to earn then money to pay. It probably hunting or something.Do you really think man would try something as arduous as hunting without a promise of pu$$y at the end of the road? ;)
coltfan111
10-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Escorts and sugar babies are the same thing but the majority are adults where as these are underage kids. There are actually websites specifically for sugar baby/daddy hookups. Its crazy.
I agree with girls this age it is just plain wrong. Although (and I may be mistaken)I don't think 16 is under aged in China.
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 07:16 PM
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Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 07:18 PM
When are the Chinese going to learn that money does not always lead towards improved quality of life.
I think there's this overall mentality that their culture has been deprived of it (and the luxuries/benefits it brings) for so long, that they can't think of anything else. A result of history, I'm afraid, that has led to a sort of impatient "grab-what-you-can-right-now" dictum.
It fuels ambition, but in the end it will drop you like a sleazy girlfriend. :fork:
Solvent
10-13-2009, 07:44 PM
I think there's this overall mentality that their culture has been deprived of it (and the luxuries/benefits it brings) for so long, that they can't think of anything else. A result of history, I'm afraid, that has led to a sort of impatient "grab-what-you-can-right-now" dictum.
It fuels ambition, but in the end it will drop you like a sleazy girlfriend. :fork:
Maybe you should look at Japan and try to get something out of their culture.
Like other poster said, this is not happening just among Chinese.
Ordie
10-13-2009, 07:49 PM
From my obeservations, Chinese parents and grandparents shower thier kids with gifts and red envelopes.
But never give hugs and quality time.
Gleipnir
10-13-2009, 07:50 PM
REPOST
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158773&referrerid=0
Solvent
10-13-2009, 07:58 PM
From my obeservations, Chinese parents and grandparents shower thier kids with gifts and red envelopes.
But never give hugs and quality time.
Trying to link your observation with young girls sell *** is dumb. How you explain it happens in other countries?
Look like you know everything about Chinese, how you observe them? Follow them step by step?
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 07:58 PM
Maybe you should look at Japan and try to get something out of their culture.
Like other poster said, this is not happening just among Chinese.
Seems typical of you to start jabbing at Japan, friend. ;)
Yet they do have some involvement in this subject - the "compensated dating" trend actually began in Japan. As other Asian cultures became more materialistic, it naturally went elsewhere.
And I don't doubt that the money love-affair is widespread; I just know nowadays we tend to wear our hearts on our sleeves a little more than others (which is not always a bad thing, mind you), which includes our ambitions for studying hard, which we believe will lead to better jobs, which we believe will = more money.
goat89
10-13-2009, 08:03 PM
From my obeservations, Chinese parents and grandparents shower thier kids with gifts and red envelopes.
But never give hugs and quality time.
Oooooo... GPs love to see their grandkids, will literally spoil them and take care of them. I see it all the time, HOWEVER, there are exceptions of course... especially in a do-or-die society. Too much work to do, that you dont have time for family. :S
Solvent
10-13-2009, 08:04 PM
Seems typical of you to start jabbing at Japan, friend. ;)
But they do have some involvement in this subject - the "compensated dating" trend actually began in Japan. As other Asian cultures became more materialistic, it naturally went elsewhere.
And I don't doubt that the money love-affair is widespread; I just know nowadays we tend to wear our hearts on our sleeves a little more than others (which is not always a bad thing, mind you), which includes our ambitions for studying hard, which we believe will lead to better jobs, which we believe will = more money.
It's not I like to mention Japan. I just don't believe you don't know the big culture in Japan. Young girls sell *** for luxury stuffs.
Never watch AV? You news is really not new anymore.
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 08:06 PM
From my obeservations, Chinese parents and grandparents shower thier kids with gifts and red envelopes.
But never give hugs and quality time.
I guess this depends on which families - all I can say is that my family is pretty tight. :hug:
REPOST
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...3&referrerid=0
Not really - this article deals with the issue at large and is more in-depth, while this one focuses on a particular incident.
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 08:09 PM
It's not I like to mention Japan. I just don't believe you don't know the big culture in Japan. Young girls sell *** for luxury stuffs.
Never watch AV? You news is really not new anymore.
I already know enough about Japan's craziness. The point I am making is that the trend they started is spreading into other places.
Solvent
10-13-2009, 08:11 PM
I already know enough about Japan's craziness. The point I am making is that the trend they started is spreading into other places.
So why you say I like to mention them? Don't try to be smarta$$.
Ordie
10-13-2009, 08:15 PM
Look like you know everything about Chinese, how you observe them? Follow them step by step?
I think you need a hug.
Solvent
10-13-2009, 08:55 PM
I think you need a hug.
Remember that "Free hug" campaign? I for one think it's very gay. Don't do it on me. p-)
Sootan
10-13-2009, 09:00 PM
It's not I like to mention Japan. I just don't believe you don't know the big culture in Japan. Young girls sell *** for luxury stuffs.
Never watch AV? You news is really not new anymore.
Crazy huh? From a bushido culture to this...
Ssandro
10-13-2009, 09:48 PM
Crazy huh? From a bushido culture to this...
they have female prostitution in every country in history.
The weird thing about japan is the popularity of gigolos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EURNpbsdw1c&feature=player_embedded#at=223
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 09:50 PM
So why you say I like to mention them? Don't try to be smarta$$.
The moment someone believes the integrity of China or the Chinese people is threatened, it's not uncommon for someone to throw Japan into the mix, so you came off as a bit... defensive in this regard. No offense.
I try my best to defend my culture too, but a line has to be drawn between blind loyalty and knowing when things must change. Like in this case; money-love is everywhere, but it doesn't have to be that way all the time, whether it be in Hong Kong or anywhere else.
Smiling_Wolf
10-13-2009, 09:58 PM
they have female prostitution in every country in history.
The weird thing about japan is the popularity of gigolos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EURNpbsdw1c&feature=player_embedded#at=223
Historically, androgyny has always been highly worshipped in Japan, which is why it is very common to see androgynous imagery in their erotica, video games, and anime. Going off-topic, btw.
LazerLordz
10-13-2009, 10:06 PM
From my obeservations, Chinese parents and grandparents shower thier kids with gifts and red envelopes.
But never give hugs and quality time.
It's not entirely false..
LazerLordz
10-13-2009, 10:06 PM
Historically, androgyny has always been highly worshipped in Japan, which is why it is very common to see androgynous imagery in their erotica, video games, and anime. Going off-topic, btw.
Japanese ladies love their BL. ;)
Ordie
10-13-2009, 10:10 PM
It's not entirely false..
I think you need a hug too.
Gleipnir
10-13-2009, 10:41 PM
In Wanchai you can get cheap prostitutes... many are shemales, however...
still doesn't stop the many sailors who come into town for leave...
budgie
10-13-2009, 10:44 PM
This was a big thing they picked up from Japan. However in teh casse of Hong Kong, the girls in some neighbourhoods may be porr and need the money.
In Japan, about ten years ago it was a phenomenon. The name enjo kosai, or compensated dating, was even shorted to enko, in typical Japanese fashion. Basically it was a fad among even well-off middle class teenage girls, not even particularly poor ones, so they could get pocket money for their Gucci bags and so on. It seems to have died down however, as since returning to Japan, I haven't heard so much in the media about it.
I lived in HK from 2002-2005, after the first stint in Japan. Enko was known there, due to the interest in Japanese pop-culture, but not practiced. I'd imagine that rather than just being a fashionably rebellious pastime among teenagers as in Japan, there are other contributing social factors in HK.
This was a big thing they picked up from Japan. However in teh casse of Hong Kong, the girls in some neighbourhoods may be porr and need the money.
In Japan, about ten years ago it was a phenomenon. The name enjo kosai, or compensated dating, was even shorted to enko, in typical Japanese fashion. Basically it was a fad among even well-off middle class teenage girls, not even particularly poor ones, so they could get pocket money for their Gucci bags and so on. It seems to have died down however, as since returning to Japan, I haven't heard so much in the media about it.
And you know aaaaaaaalll about it.
budgie
10-13-2009, 10:53 PM
Lived in Asia for years. Shouldn't I? You hang around enough Japanese people or get a girlfriend and you hear stories. As an aside, there may have been some prelude in Hong Kong.
My ex in HK told me about some of the bad girls she used to know in high school, this would have to have been the early nineties as she's over thirty now. She said that semi-runaways from broken homes would hang out down the Kowloon waterfront from Hong Hum to where the New World Hotel is nowadays. They'd basically hook up with any guy who'd provide drugs, booze and shelter for a night or a few. The circumstances may be similar.
Hollis
10-13-2009, 10:57 PM
My ex in HK told me about some of the bad girls she used to know in high school, this would have to have been the early nineties as she's over thirty now. She said that semi-runaways from broken homes would hang out down the Kowloon waterfront from Hong Hum to where the New World Hotel is nowadays. They'd basically hook up with any guy who'd provide drugs, booze and shelter for a night or a few. The circumstances may be similar.
Not just Asia, a lot of other places. Girls have something the boys want. Terrible road to go down.
Lived in Asia for years. Shouldn't I? You hang around enough Japanese people or get a girlfriend and you hear stories. As an aside, there may have been some prelude in Hong Kong.
"Heard" about it. Sure.
budgie
10-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Are you projecting here Snakie? Something you want to share with us?
Are you projecting here Snakie? Something you want to share with us?
Yeah. You're a dork.
budgie
10-13-2009, 11:19 PM
What's got into you today? One infraction not enough? Take your meds, mate.
Gleipnir
10-13-2009, 11:19 PM
Most of the '***-workers' in Wanchai were Filipinos or Thais. It was very rare to see a local girl there.
budgie
10-13-2009, 11:24 PM
And if you thought you did she was probably a mainlander.
Gleipnir
10-13-2009, 11:29 PM
There are always street girls in any big city. That would account for the local factor, there were also many 'IIs' (aye-ayes) or illegal immigrants from China. The guys who were really into hookers would all head over to Macau to sleep with Russian girls- they love Russian girls for some reason- "skin white like ice" they would say. Haha.
In Wanchai it was mostly just drunk sailors or rowdy ex-pats who would be drunk enough to not care when discovering that their hooker was still sporting a rather healthy sized ****.
Solvent
10-14-2009, 01:37 AM
The moment someone believes the integrity of China or the Chinese people is threatened, it's not uncommon for someone to throw Japan into the mix, so you came off as a bit... defensive in this regard. No offense.
I try my best to defend my culture too, but a line has to be drawn between blind loyalty and knowing when things must change. Like in this case; money-love is everywhere, but it doesn't have to be that way all the time, whether it be in Hong Kong or anywhere else.
I think there's this overall mentality that their culture has been deprived of it (and the luxuries/benefits it brings) for so long, that they can't think of anything else. A result of history, I'm afraid, that has led to a sort of impatient "grab-what-you-can-right-now" dictum.
It fuels ambition, but in the end it will drop you like a sleazy girlfriend
Am I defensive? I am not the one started some weird linkage between Chinese culture and young girl prostitution. Showing your understanding of the culture is laughable.
I just point out other countries have same problems, among them, Japan is a typical example. And you brought up that I have issue with Japan. You should know making easy generalized conclusion is really a bad habit.
Fiber
10-14-2009, 02:38 AM
How far would you go to buy a new cellphone or handbag?
All the way.
Bohemoth
10-14-2009, 02:56 AM
Chinese are born businessmen/-women. If it makes money, it's legit.
You would have to reinvent their culture to prevent minors from prostituting themselves
for no reasons, other then for buying some luxury goods. It's not that they are starving
or poor or forced by somebody. It's an utter materialistic culture without values and religious believe.
God have mercy with them poor souls.
Fargin
10-14-2009, 02:59 AM
All the way.
And back.
Eztyga
10-14-2009, 03:21 AM
What's new is that the girls in question are privilaged, spoiled and envious.
And believe that they are worthless if they don't keep up with the latest trends and gadgets.
The dark side of capitalism/consumerism perhaps?
In Japan the thing has originated thanks mainly to the 90's economic falldown wich brought several other problems as well, largely interests young high school teenagers 15/17 but it does not mean is always about having ***, enjo kosai is a reaility of Tokyo and other biggest urban center, things seems are changing and there's already a ban wich has been established in the area of Tokyo, anything will get better once Japan will rise again from the recession.
Crazy huh? From a bushido culture to this...
Nippon, as always been a country of uniquity and extravaganza, look at the Edo period (shogunate/samurai's era, 400 years ago ...) and you will find same things. :grin:
The core of the Japanese society has not pass through drastic changes other than simple progress, even today despite what you can think and being overall of course a democratic country you cannot compare european democracies with Japan's own system.
By the way, Japan still also have death penalty through hanging ... and about a thousand of people has been executed since 1946, included also foreigners like chinese, koreans and south east asians, of course death penalty is approved solely for extreme cases, really freak horrible ones - but it's still used and approved by large parte of the Japanese people.
If you look at the bushido you will find that not much has really changed since the old times, you probably associates to that word mainly a warrior/military kind of view of honour and courage but it's messages if you look at the system of the Japanese society, on the job and every days life you will find that word largely present, a strong sense of respect and obligation towards every days duties as just one example.
Something more about that
Enjo-kōsai
Definition
What constitutes enjo-kōsai is heavily contested within Japan. The most common connotation is that it is a form of child prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_prostitution) whereby participating girls sell their bodies in exchange for designer goods or money. However, to label enjo-kōsai by the most basic definition of prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution) whereby one attains money through the exchange of ****** acts,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-0) excludes an array of other activities.
Many groups, including women's centers and associations within Japan include “the exchange of a girl's company or time” as part of this equation[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-1) and insist that these other activities define enjo-kōsai. Anthropologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropologist) Laura Miller argues in her research that the majority of enjo-kōsai dates consists of groups of girls going with a group of older men to a karaoke bar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaoke_bar) for several hours and being paid for their time.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-2)
Furthermore, in a 1998 survey by the Asian Women's Fund, researchers found that fewer than 10 percent of all high school girls engage in enjo-kōsai and over 90 percent of the girls interviewed attested to feeling uncomfortable with the exchange or purchase of ****** services for money.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-3) Statistics show that the majority of girls are not delving into the realm of ****** exchange.[
Perceptions in Japanese society
Generally in Japan, enjo-kōsai is looked down upon as a large-scale social problem. A 1997 poll in the Japanese TV Asahi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Asahi) program Asa Made Nama Terebi showed that 70 percent of respondents opposed enjo-kōsai, while 30 percent approved of it.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cornell-4) Typically, it is perceived as an extension of Japan's growing focus on materialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumerism), much of which is what critics claim is the cause of enjo-kōsai. Critics worry that girls involved in enjo-kōsai will grow up to be unfit wives and mothers. This perception arises from suspicions that when these girls are adults, they will quickly abandon their loyalties and commitments to their family for offers of money and material benefits.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cornell-4) However, certain feminist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist) groups and critics find enjo-kōsai to be empowering and as an act to “undermine patriarchal models propriety used to evaluate and control women”. Control over their bodies and means to support themselves is a new kind of independence for these girls. Good women in Japan are supposed to be sensible, modest, nurturing and respectful, yet girls participating in enjo-kōsai clearly reject such virtues of female restraint and modesty in Japan. Feminists such as Chizuko Ueno point out that the accidental access of girls to this dating market was not a matter of ethics, but of probability.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cornell-4) Sooner or later, these girls and young women would, in a desire for financial independence, tap into this market for their own empowerment.
Media depiction
Within Japan, the media tends to show enjo-kōsai in a rather negative light. The typical scenario involves a girl desperate for money, so she decides to partake in enjo-kōsai. Only later does she stop when a friend or individual intervenes and informs her of the potential risks and consequences of her behavior. Several examples from films and television series are listed below.
In Hideaki Anno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideaki_Anno)’s 1998 movie Love & Pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_%26_Pop), the main character, a 16-year-old high school girl named Hiromi, goes on subsidized dates in order to purchase a ring she adores. Her parents do not pay much attention to her and Hiromi often hangs out with her three closest friends who have been going on subsidized dates. Feeling like a train that travels on a predetermined track, Hiromi follows her friends and begins doing the same. Throughout the movie, they meet with different kinds of men and accompany them in various activities. These activities include having dinner at a restaurant, tasting a man’s cooking, singing at a karaoke bar, shopping in a video rental store, etc. Although Hiromi nearly gives in and has *** for the remainder of money needed for the ring, her date gives her a lesson on why she shouldn’t give up her body.
Meanwhile, the Japanese live action drama series GTO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Teacher_Onizuka) (Great Teacher Onizuka), a girl student named Miyabi, out of boredom and lack of adult supervision at home, pressures her friends, Chikako and Erika, to go on subsidized dates with older men, and to steal their money when the men are in the showers. When Chikako accidentally meets their teacher Onizuka on one of these dates, enjo-kōsai rookie Onizuka proceeds with it to see these subsidized dates first hand. In the hotel room, Chikako insists that Onizuka take a shower. Onizuka realizes the trap, stops Chikako's attempt to escape, and teaches her a lesson why her first ****** experience should come out of love and not have anything to do with money. Incidentally, Onizuka (himself a virgin) learns the same lesson from that very occasion.
Conversation over the controversy of enjo-kōsai even finds its way into shows geared toward girls (shōjo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Djo)) between the ages of 11 and 14 in the form of the highly popular Super Gals! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gals!) anime series. During the first episode of the series, straight A student Aya goes on subsidized dates because she wants to have money and fun like the other girls, but also because her strict parents and schedule would not allow her to have a job. Main character Ran, even although she believes the gyaru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyaru) (gal) philosophy “If you want it, go and get it,” strongly disapproves of Aya’s action because she believes a gyaru should have self-respect and not treat herself like merchandise. Ran tells Aya that they can have fun even without money. Aya becomes persuaded by Ran, and not only do they begin a new friendship, but Aya quits going on subsidized dates as a result.
In Shunji Iwai's film "All About Lily Chou-Chou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_About_Lily_Chou-Chou)", Shiori Tsuda, a female classmate, is blackmailed by Shusuke Hoshino into enjo-kōsai. The film isn't explicit about whether or not Shiori Tsuda performs ****** favours for her "customers", but the connotation is present. The depiction within the film of the practice could be considered negative, as the process of being blackmailed into it seems to push the character into some form of mental instability (although it's not clear whether that instability was present prior to the blackmail), culminating in her tragic demise. It is also used as a weapon of control by Hoshino, rather than empowering Tsuda in any way.
Societal backdrop
Although the greater part of Japanese society discourages this type of behavior, that has not stopped teachers, monks, government officials, company executives, and others of high social status from being arrested for their involvement with enjo kōsai.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-routledge-5)
A study done by the Socioeconomic Research Department at the Nomura Institute of Research showed that in 97 percent of book stores and convenience stores surveyed in 1996 sold “****ographic portrayals of children in either photographic or cartoon form”.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-6) Moreover, as of 1998, Japan was the source of 80 percent of the commercial child ****ography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_****ography) available on the Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cambridge-7) Actually, it was not until 1999 that Japan joined the international community in banning child ****ography, not out of moral concern, but more so because of the bad publicity the country was receiving.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-routledge-5)
Government regulation
Prostitution has been illegal in Japan since 1958, but only prostitutes and pimps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimps) were punished, with customers escaping any penalty from the law. During SCAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Commander_of_the_Allied_Powers)’s occupation of Japan, the Child Welfare Law was introduced into legislation as a means to protect children from “lewd behavior”. Many have criticized the law as being too vague to protect Japanese children from ****** abuse and say it does not do enough to keep girls away from *** markets.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cornell-4)
During the 1990s enjo kōsai, as well as other forms of child exploitation, gained national attention in Japan leading to international awareness.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cambridge-7) Due to pressure from outside NGOs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO) and other industrialized nations, the Japanese government updated its laws relating to child exploitation. The Law for Punishing Acts Related to Child Prostitution and Child ****ography and for Protecting Children, which prohibited an adult from paying a person under the age of 18 for obscene acts, was passed in 1999.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-8) The law made the legal age limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent) 18 for consenting ****** activities[dubious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disputed_statement) – discuss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#Age_of_consent_in_Japan)] and punishes the adult offender as the criminal party instead of the child.
To combat enjo kōsai and other forms of juvenile misbehavior, many prefectures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefectures) have instituted a program of hodō (補導 (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A3%9C%E5%B0%8E)? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets)). Hodōin are plain-clothed police officers and volunteers who approach youths who appear to be participating in juvenile delinquency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_delinquency) (out past 11 p.m., under-age smoking, wearing expensive accessories, etc.) and offer guidance against such behavior. When police consider it necessary, teens are taken to a juvenile center or police station for “formal guidance” and entered into a confidential police directory.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai#cite_note-cornell-4) Since enjo kōsai is seen as a moral problem relating to Japanese youth, care is taken not to ostracize the girls but instead give them assistance and advice to steer them away from enjo-kōsai.
VAMAN
10-14-2009, 01:49 PM
I read somewhere the same happens in Brazil. Girls selling *** for a mobile phone. I'm sure this happens in so many other countries as well.
Breakfast in Vegas
10-14-2009, 02:01 PM
I read somewhere the same happens in Brazil. Girls selling *** for a mobile phone. I'm sure this happens in so many other countries as well.Bet the local Nokia rep is loving life giving away freebies.
seraosha
10-14-2009, 02:53 PM
So the oldest profession in the world gets a new face.
And?
timetraveller
10-14-2009, 03:11 PM
Here's some food for thought
How much do you spend on you spend on a lass when taking her out on a date when the chances of gettin the gear off her is 50/50
Would you be happy marry a woman that is only interested in your bank balance than the yourself there is women that will only marry those that have cash plain and simple !!!
Or would spend cash on no strings attached fun now n again
Solvent
10-14-2009, 03:18 PM
So the oldest profession in the world gets a new face.
And?
Talking about the old profession. Did you watch the show on History channel? The city of Pompeii actually was for *** trading. I was so surprised.
seraosha
10-14-2009, 04:13 PM
Talking about the old profession. Did you watch the show on History channel? The city of Pompeii actually was for *** trading. I was so surprised.
Huh, no I didn't know that...I knew it was a trading center, and it would make sense it would be for slaves, as well as for goods, but specificly for the *** trade? Interesting.
Switek
10-14-2009, 04:16 PM
Talking about the old profession. Did you watch the show on History channel? The city of Pompeii actually was for *** trading. I was so surprised.
I'm not. There always has been *** trade in all societies, even in female medieval Christian monastyrs... Women adopts two different strategies: to marry (or dominate) the best candidate who can assure material wellness (for her and their children) or material wellness was assured by sharing ****** activities with many men. In fact in about 30% cases we can meet mix of both attitudes.
Here's some food for thought
How much do you spend on you spend on a lass when taking her out on a date when the chances of gettin the gear off her is 50/50
Would you be happy marry a woman that is only interested in your bank balance than the yourself there is women that will only marry those that have cash plain and simple !!!
Or would spend cash on no strings attached fun now n again This is what I was thinking about. The story is not much different than the typical dating scene where most girls will shag with a guy in a nice car and who will spend doe on her and they start expecting this from high school.
Solvent
10-14-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm not. There always has been *** trade in all societies, even in female medieval Christian monastyrs... Women adopts two different strategies: to marry (or dominate) the best candidate who can assure material wellness (for her and their children) or material wellness was assured by sharing ****** activities with many men. In fact in about 30% cases we can meet mix of both attitudes.
It's interesting. So the female medieval Christian monastery just like wild animals. I mean females get to pick who to mate with, and males have to fight to their best to gain the chances.
Switek
10-14-2009, 04:38 PM
It's interesting. So the female medieval Christian monastery just like wild animals. I mean females get to pick who to mate with, and males have to fight to their best to gain the chances.
We are animals. esp. when we consider our ****** behavior. Forget about morality, because it's a kind of intellectual attitude. Our ****** behavior has just emotional, not logic roots.
Think about this: Logically only few would decide to have children. Nature is smarter than us... It must be emotionally based decision.
timetraveller
10-14-2009, 05:14 PM
This is what I was thinking about. The story is not much different than the typical dating scene where most girls will shag with a guy in a nice car and who will spend doe on her and they start expecting this from high school.
True
Few more food for thoughts
In the Modern world were being seen in the lastest fashion is must have for some , There is women that do simply because they need the money , some do it to send money back home and some do it because they enjoy the lifestyle it brings them ..
Like recently Harriet harmann asked Arnie to closedown a Escort site which was registerd in California named punter something ..
Permiership Footballers playing with a top club who earn in excess of 15,000 upwards can go into any city bar and no try a leg simple because the women know they are loaded and they fight for there attention ...
And there is known p3 girls that also do this as well that i do know and the odd tv presenter well
**** Stars there is those that also do this for extra income
And there is plently of fashion Models that also wrk as escorts because they know it bring them in extra cash when not working on fashion shoots
In the Modern world it's very hard to find a genuine lass who isn't interested in Cash alone
What you spend on a overnight with a escort is a fraction of the cost of getting married
hank2222
10-14-2009, 06:21 PM
JUST REMEMBER THIS GUYS .. you are all ready paying for a so called compensared dateing ..
when you go out on a date with the girl that you have met ,,who pays for the drinks and drinner and other things ..YOU DO the guy not the girl ..so you are allready paying for some form of foreplay that might lead up to *** with her....
so remember you allready doing the .whole compensated dateing thing here.
that way craig list and swinger sites are so fun ..for it one thing and one thing only your after and then afterwards you can go and spend the money on something that you want to do ..
Ought Six
10-14-2009, 07:52 PM
I do not think 'compensated dating', or whatever euphemism you want to paste on prostitution, is happening more. I think it is just coming more out into the open and being discussed more.
LazerLordz
10-16-2009, 03:09 PM
I think you need a hug too.
I've more than I need. p-)
Ssandro
10-16-2009, 07:44 PM
Here's some food for thought
How much do you spend on you spend on a lass when taking her out on a date when the chances of gettin the gear off her is 50/50
Would you be happy marry a woman that is only interested in your bank balance than the yourself there is women that will only marry those that have cash plain and simple !!!
Or would spend cash on no strings attached fun now n again
Except most of the fun of dating comes from socialising, hanging out in a cafe ect, with someone who wants to hang out with you. If they're just socialising or sleeping with you for money then at least 85% of the fun is gone. It becomes banal very quickly
LuKaZz
10-17-2009, 03:47 AM
I see it as some sort of cut the bullsh\t dating, no need for dinner, drinks and pointless conversation.
wildcat
10-17-2009, 03:51 AM
So the oldest profession in the world gets a new face.
And?
it is not the oldest profession, there is one older, the job the guy had to make the pay to pay for the girl, that is the oldest profession, it was probably hunting.
I don't see the problem. You "rent" your body to your employer and get financial compensation for that, the girls rent their bodies to customers and get financial compensation - I don't see much difference there. Oldest profession in the world.
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