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rgjbloke
10-13-2009, 05:55 PM
This is in the Guardian. I never knew this.

Recruited by MI5: the name's Mussolini. Benito Mussolini

Documents reveal Italian dictator got start in politics in 1917 with help of £100 weekly wage from MI5



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http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/10/13/1255461205065/Benito-Mussolini-in-Dress-002.jpg Benito Mussolini was paid £100 a week by MI5 to keep Italy in the first world war. Photograph: Bettmann/Corbis

History remembers Benito Mussolini (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/benito-mussolini) as a founder member of the original Axis of Evil, the Italian dictator who ruled his country with fear and forged a disastrous alliance with Nazi Germany. But a previously unknown area of Il Duce's CV has come to light: his brief career as a British agent.
Archived documents have revealed that Mussolini got his start in politics in 1917 with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/mi5).
For the British intelligence agency, it must have seemed like a good investment. Mussolini, then a 34-year-old journalist, was not just willing to ensure Italy (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/italy) continued to fight alongside the allies in the first world war (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/firstworldwar) by publishing propaganda in his paper. He was also willing to send in the boys to "persuade'' peace protesters to stay at home.
Mussolini's payments were authorised by Sir Samuel Hoare, an MP and MI5's man in Rome, who ran a staff of 100 British intelligence officers in Italy at the time.
Cambridge historian Peter Martland, who discovered details of the deal struck with the future dictator, said: "Britain's least reliable ally in the war at the time was Italy after revolutionary Russia's pullout from the conflict. Mussolini was paid £100 a week from the autumn of 1917 for at least a year to keep up the pro-war campaigning – equivalent to about £6,000 a week today."
Hoare, later to become Lord Templewood, mentioned the recruitment in memoirs in 1954, but Martland stumbled on details of the payments for the first time while scouring Hoare's papers.
As well as keeping the presses rolling at Il Popolo d'Italia, the newspaper he edited, Mussolini also told Hoare he would send Italian army veterans to beat up peace protesters in Milan, a dry run for his fascist blackshirt units.
"The last thing Britain wanted were pro-peace strikes bringing the factories in Milan to a halt. It was a lot of money to pay a man who was a journalist at the time, but compared to the £4m Britain was spending on the war every day, it was petty cash," said Martland.
"I have no evidence to prove it, but I suspect that Mussolini, who was a noted womaniser, also spent a good deal of the money on his mistresses."
After the armistice, Mussolini began his rise to power, assisted by electoral fraud and blackshirt violence, establishing a fascist dictorship by the mid-1920s.
His colonial ambitions in Africa brought him into contact with his old paymaster again in 1935. Now the British foreign secretary, Hoare signed the Hoare-Laval pact, which gave Italy control over Abyssinia.
"There is no reason to believe the two men were friends, although Hoare did have an enduring love affair with Italy," said Martland, whose research is included in Christopher Andrew's history of MI5, Defence of the Realm, which was published last week.
The unpopularity of the Hoare-Laval pact in Britain forced Hoare to resign. Mussolini, meanwhile, built on his new colonial clout to ally with Hitler, entering the second world war in 1940, this time to fight against the allies.
Deposed following the allied invasion of Italy in 1943, Mussolini was killed with his mistress, Clara Petacci, by Italian partisans while fleeing Italy in an attempt to reach Switzerland two years later.
Martland said: "Mussolini ended his life hung upside down in Milan, but history has not been kind to Hoare either, condemned as an appeaser of fascism alongside Neville Chamberlain."

Sada
10-13-2009, 07:11 PM
Mussolini wasn´t an important public figure in those years, I believe that he was paid money by MI5 but shure it wasn´t necessary for him that money for having the desire of Italian joining the allied countries in Great War. Mussolini was a leftiest but firstly he was a nationalist and he thought Italy had a lot to win fighting that war agaisnt austrians. Samuel Hoare seemed to be a pragmatic man that played with fire, a pity he didn´t burnt himself. He was member of that british diplomacy of between wars that didn´t bet for democracies, in Spain he was ambassador when Franco talked warmly with Hitler in occupied France, he bribed with a huge fortune generals like Queipo de Llano, Aranda and others. Again, I didn´t think that he needed to bribe some spanish generals for eviting Franco to join the Axis, Francos was smarter than Hoare liked to think and there were people in the Franco´s side that were just more affectionate to british than to germans for different reasons. Interesting reading btw.

JJHH
10-14-2009, 07:12 AM
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-14-2009, 06:08 PM
I thought MI5s remit was domestic security not foreign ops. Surely it would have been MI6?

timetraveller
10-14-2009, 10:15 PM
I thought MI5s remit was domestic security not foreign ops. Surely it would have been MI6?

MI6 was established after the war SOE being renamed MI6 was it not ?

baboon6
10-15-2009, 12:38 AM
MI6 was established after the war SOE being renamed MI6 was it not ?

No. SOE was an entirely separate organisation, existing only from 1940 to 1946. It was formed from elements of both MI6 (more accurately described as the Secret Intelligence Service) and Military Intelligence. MI5 (the Security Service) and MI6 are in fact cover names going back to the First World War era and they are not in fact either official or accurate, the two organisations not being part of what was then the authority of the Director of Military Intelligence (the British Army's senior intelligence officer, the post no longer exists) though the lines between civilian and military intelligence were more blurred then than they are now. Both organisations then employed a lot of seconded service officers, mostly army at MI5 and mostly navy at SIS. By the time of WW2 MI5 came under the authority of the Home Office and SIS under the Foreign Office, which is still the situation today. The short-lived SOE was part of the Ministry of Economic Warfare. However parts of all three organisations came under the authority of local British military commanders-in-chief overseas during Ww2. Confused yet? People certainly were at the time....

JJHH
10-15-2009, 06:07 AM
MI6 was established after the war SOE being renamed MI6 was it not ?

Take a look at this..

A century of British espionage
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/top-secret-a-century-of-british-espionage-1798168.html

B_706K
10-15-2009, 03:51 PM
Take a look at this..

A century of British espionage
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/top-secret-a-century-of-british-espionage-1798168.html
That right there deserves its own thread, an excellent read!

JJHH
10-15-2009, 04:39 PM
That right there deserves its own thread, an excellent read!

Here you go.. ;)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167011

L J
10-22-2009, 01:39 PM
I do object to the title of this thread :Mussolini was not recruited by the British;in 1915 (beying one of the leaders of the Italian socialists,he was a partisan of the participation of Italy to the war );in 1917 Italy was an ally and a lot of Italian politicians and journalists recieved money;Mussolini recieved money because he was a partisan of Italy joining the war ,NOT the inverse:he was no partisan of joining the war because he recieved money;thus he was no British agent .

welshmann
10-22-2009, 02:19 PM
I do object to the title of this thread :Mussolini was not recruited by the British;in 1915 (beying one of the leaders of the Italian socialists,he was a partisan of the participation of Italy to the war );in 1917 Italy was an ally and a lot of Italian politicians and journalists recieved money;Mussolini recieved money because he was a partisan of Italy joining the war ,NOT the inverse:he was no partisan of joining the war because he recieved money;thus he was no British agent .

Mussolini was paid £100 a week from the autumn of 1917 for at least a year to keep up the pro-war campaigning