Canadian Forces New LBV Trial Video

[Bacon]

Wasnt sure to post this here or the photos/videos section.

You can see some gunfighter techniques used in the vid too, which is nice to see.

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/land-terre/news-nouvelles/story-reportage-eng.asp?id=3824

[trunk_munkey28]

Hallejuhah!!!
Hallejuhah!!!
Hall--eju--hah!!!

About ****ing time.

[flanker7]

One looks like TT MAV. Good choice

[Pete031]

I am always skeptical of the trials.... At least a Patricia is in chage of it!

We are getting some on this tour coming up apparently... But unless they change the body armour I will stick with my split MAV.

[Alpheus]

Shouldn't they be doing the trials while wearing body armor? I'm no expert, but I'd think using body armor would affect how well the vests work.

[trunk_munkey28]

Shouldn't they be doing the trials while wearing body armor? I'm no expert, but I'd think using body armor would affect how well the vests work.

At least two of them were...

[Pete031]

You are correct... Good observation. Its typical.....
We need to go to a RAV type, but that would mean changing the body armour. And critics want us to have as much body armour on as possible.... Hense the should protection that comes down to your bicep. Good for turret or air sentry, but brutal for dismounted work.

I hope they don't look at a model and then decide to make our own version instead of taking one off the shelf.

[Solomin]

I may asking this from a perspective of cultural ignorance, but is the guy on the right in this video retarded? Where is he from in Cananda?

[Pete031]

Quebec. Our French Province. Canada is a bilingual country

[trunk_munkey28]

I may asking this from a perspective of cultural ignorance, but is the guy on the right in this video retarded? Where is he from in Cananda?

He's Quebecois, from Quebec. French Canadian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec

And hopefully they just go off the shelf with this, but Clothe the Soldier will get their panties in a twist, and demand to have a piece of the pie, and **** it all up.

[Pete031]

And we will have a copy made from fellfab.

[trunk_munkey28]

Because Pacific Safety Products is just too expensive. And because for some reason the Army hates CPGear.

[Pete031]

I hate CP Gear too.

But you know, if TT or Eagle or Paraclete make a good rig, lets just get it from them.... I hate how everything has to be made here.

I had a Pacific Safety Products rig on my last tour... Was good quality, but only the sides of the rig were modular, the mag pouches and whanot were fixed.

I would rather a Releasable plate carrier type thing.

[Solomin]

Quebec. Our French Province. Canada is a bilingual country

Right, I know this. So it accent is French Canadian. I've met a few French people, I just didn't realize the French Canadian accent would sound so terribly different...and special.

[Pete031]

Right, I know this. So it accent is French Canadian. I've met a few French people, I just didn't realize the French Canadian accent would sound so terribly different...and special.


Quebecquois is like no other dialect of french.... Kind of like Acadian or Cajun French.


Here is a stange man, trying to explain it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPenHx5o4p4&feature=related

[breki]

I may asking this from a perspective of cultural ignorance, but is the guy on the right in this video retarded? Where is he from in Cananda?

The guy on the right was speaking French. :roll:


I saw a buddy of mine in this video. I will have to ask him about how the trial is going.

[trunk_munkey28]

I would rather a Releasable plate carrier type thing.

Horses for courses p-).

I like having the ability to be fully armoured without my fighting order on; my job could call for me being turret crew one day and a designated dismount the next. If I read you correctly, you'd like an all in one package. We can both agree our frag vest needs fixing.

And to be quite honest, CP Gear has come a LONG way the last few years; I felt confident replacing my fixed pouch HSGI rig with a CP Gear KISS rig after my last tour... They just haven't shaken that stigma quite yet.

[Pete031]

The guy on the right was speaking French. :roll:


I saw a buddy of mine in this video. I will have to ask him about how the trial is going.


Ask him what the big 4 were.

[Pete031]

Horses for courses p-).

I like having the ability to be fully armoured without my fighting order on; my job could call for me being turret crew one day and a designated dismount the next. If I read you correctly, you'd like an all in one package. We can both agree our frag vest needs fixing.

And to be quite honest, CP Gear has come a LONG way the last few years; I felt confident replacing my fixed pouch HSGI rig with a CP Gear KISS rig after my last tour... They just haven't shaken that stigma quite yet.


Nah, I want soft shell body armour, that will be more fitting then what we have now, and then a plate carrier to go on top.

Yeah you Armoured guys need a different setup.

I hate CP gear, I did a sniper course a few years ago, and when I was making my ghillie, I wanted some webbing sewed on to a few places, so I thought what the hell I'll bring it there...

Well, they said they didn't do that kind of work, after looking at the thing for a little while...
I was in there a few months later, and there was a replica of my ghillie sitting there for like 400 bucks... ****ers.

[trunk_munkey28]

Nah, I want soft shell body armour, that will be more fitting then what we have now, and then a plate carrier to go on top.

Yeah you Armoured guys need a different setup.

I hate CP gear, I did a sniper course a few years ago, and when I was making my ghillie, I wanted some webbing sewed on to a few places, so I thought what the hell I'll bring it there...

Well, they said they didn't do that kind of work, after looking at the thing for a little while...
I was in there a few months later, and there was a replica of my ghillie sitting there for like 400 bucks... ****ers.


Yikes. Okay thats a little low.

[DE_Six]

Hopefully they're accurate when they say they want the new rigs issued to the troops in theater in a timely manner...

Good to see they're looking at implementing kit that works. I think I recognize some Tactical Tailor and SORD nylon in there. If they keep up the quality, it's GTG.

[Critter]

good to see they are getting reservists to test out equipment... maybe the can get some desk jockey perspectives as well...

[Pete031]

good to see they are getting reservists to test out equipment... maybe the can get some desk jockey perspectives as well...


My thoughts aswell, but I did see some familiar faces... I think there were two soldiers from every reg force battalion sent down aswell.

[ex Strathcona]

I can't get over how much things have changed from Steel pots, Vietnam era flack vests and 84 pattern webbing...
You guys are sporting some nice kit now

[breki]

Ask him what the big 4 were.

Well he says that the top vests are made by SORD Australia and Tactical Tailor, both MOLLE style. Two are chest rigs and the others are split front design.

[breki]

double post.....

[noneck11]

Critter

"good to see they are getting reservists to test out equipment... maybe the can get some desk jockey perspectives as well..."

On a bit of a high horse aren't you? I thought the CF was well past the Reg vs MO attitude of the 80's and 90's. You need to get over yourself!

Over 50% of the soldiers in my Regiment have served overseas in the last 3-4 years....most of them outside the wire. Several of them have been wounded as a result of their service. You might recognize one of their names Capt. Trevor Green?

Keep your MO hating attitude to yourself.

Noneck

[trunk_munkey28]

Critter

"good to see they are getting reservists to test out equipment... maybe the can get some desk jockey perspectives as well..."

On a bit of a high horse aren't you? I thought the CF was well past the Reg vs MO attitude of the 80's and 90's. You need to get over yourself!

Over 50% of the soldiers in my Regiment have served overseas in the last 3-4 years....most of them outside the wire. Several of them have been wounded as a result of their service. You might recognize one of their names Capt. Trevor Green?

Keep your MO hating attitude to yourself.

Noneck

I think you may have read that wrong; I don't think Critter was implying that us Mo-fags are all desk pilots. It seemed to me that he liked the fact that everyone is getting some say in the vest, and that the admin types need to have some input as well. With wicked pouches for their Staetdlers and Blackberries.

[ex Strathcona]

I think you may have read that wrong; I don't think Critter was implying that us Mo-fags are all desk pilots. It seemed to me that he liked the fact that everyone is getting some say in the vest, and that the admin types need to have some input as well. With wicked pouches for their Staetdlers and Blackberries.

that was how i read it too

[noneck11]

If that indeed is the case then I apologise, however the thread does appear to denegrate the MO.

Noneck

[nullterm]

I'm just impressed they actually asked the people who'd be using it what they thought the best options available were.

And yeah, they could have found a better anchor to read the English 1/2. rofl

[trunk_munkey28]

If that indeed is the case then I apologise, however the thread does appear to denegrate the MO.

Noneck

How so? You'll find that all of the Reg Force members here in no way play that game. I've been here in one way or another since 2006, and have never experienced or seen it, other than some good natured ribbing.

[ex Strathcona]

How so? You'll find that all of the Reg Force members here in no way play that game. I've been here in one way or another since 2006, and have never experienced or seen it, other than some good natured ribbing.

most of us were at one time or another members of the Militia either before or after our reg force service.
my own son is joining the Lorne Scots in the spring and I couldn't be prouder

[Pete031]

How so? You'll find that all of the Reg Force members here in no way play that game. I've been here in one way or another since 2006, and have never experienced or seen it, other than some good natured ribbing.


Fvck the Mo.

[ex Strathcona]

Fvck the Mo.



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[Roy Batty]

How so? You'll find that all of the Reg Force members here in no way play that game. I've been here in one way or another since 2006, and have never experienced or seen it, other than some good natured ribbing.

Aren't you late for your shift at McDonalds?

[breki]

Yeah, fvck the mo.

The real issue in this thread is about degrading Francophones.

Why don't we agree to just bash Francophone reservists?

[Pete031]

Fvck the French Canadians.

[California Joe]

Hiya Pete.

[breki]

Watch it there Pete. I wouldn't want to see you get poutine on your knob.

[Roy Batty]

Yeah, fvck the mo.

The real issue in this thread is about degrading Francophones.

Why don't we agree to just bash Francophone reservists?

Aren't you late for your shift at St-Hubert BBQ?

[Pete031]

Hi CJ.....

Isnt poutine on your knob a past time dans le belle provence?

[breki]

Only the poutine from Ashton. Fvck St-Hubert.

[trunk_munkey28]

Fvck the Mo.


Aren't you late for your shift at McDonalds?


Yeah, fvck the mo.

The real issue in this thread is about degrading Francophones.

Why don't we agree to just bash Francophone reservists?


You guys are just mad that what you do for a living I get to do for a hobby.

Oh wait, nope, its my living.

Fvck y'all anyways.

Lolz.

[Pete031]

And smoked meat from Bens down on Sherbrooke.

[Roy Batty]

I knew Breki smoked meat! Boone owes me 5 bucks......

[Pete031]

Anyways... So LBV's.... Anyone have any time wearing a SORD?

[Roy Batty]

Nope. I wore a TT vest or a Paraclette last time........but I hear good stuff about them.

[Pete031]

Yeah I wear TT too... It looks like good stuff, but I am not sure how well it would fit over the frag vest we have.

[Roy Batty]

Especialy if they make you wear those upper arm pads and neck/throat protectors....

[trunk_munkey28]

Anyways... So LBV's.... Anyone have any time wearing a SORD?

The Aussies I worked with for a bit on 1-06 had some SORD kit. Seemed to be Tac Tailor quality and seemingly has improved the last few years.
They supply kit to certain HSLD units in the ADF, and lots of diggers can be seen sporting their stuff.

Maybe we'll see SORD Canada open shop??

Fvck the Regs.

[Pete031]

That would suck...

[Pete031]

Fvck the Regs.
After your done with your "adventure", I'll get back to work....

[trunk_munkey28]

That would suck...

You think so? I'd think another player in Canada's small tacictal nylon industry would be good, might shake up Fellfab and PSP.



After your done with your "adventure", I'll get back to work....

Lolz.

[Pete031]

I meant in regards to shoulder and neck protection... I am all for more tactical gear stores in Canada.

[shuredgefan]

Trying out a bunch of stuff and voting on which is best is a good idea.:)

Having more than one offical language in a country is fvcking stupid.:roll:

[goat89]

Trying out a bunch of stuff and voting on which is best is a good idea.:)
Having more than one offical language in a country is fvcking stupid.:roll:
Are you joking?
Better not be mate.

[shuredgefan]

Are you joking?
Better not be mate.

Offical Language Act (1969) = Joke.

Quebec Offical Language Act (1974) = Sick joke.

[Critter]

Critter
Over 50% of the soldiers in my Regiment have served overseas in the last 3-4 years....most of them outside the wire. Several of them have been wounded as a result of their service. You might recognize one of their names Capt. Trevor Green?

Keep your MO hating attitude to yourself.

Noneck
good for you and your 50% sunshine....
The comment was directed at the setting they were in...a NON field location for a piece of equipment to be used in the field...
my point being experience and real time usage...
dropping by an armouries for a day or two to have different soldiers test out equipment is not a good way to display the testing process... now I'm sure there was all kinds of field testing completed prior to this vid being made.


BTW I was once a 'toon...so there is no REG/MO bs...just an observation

[pascalywood]

Yeah, fvck the mo.

The real issue in this thread is about degrading Francophones.

Why don't we agree to just bash Francophone reservists?


I hate you so much.

p-)

[breki]

Maybe we'll see SORD Canada open shop??



From what I was told, the plan is to distribute the vests to upcoming TF's and copy what people like about the designs to make our own.

[Pete031]

I Hate it when they do that.... Fvck Fellfab. Everytime we trial something, and fell fab copies it you, get a ****ty product... Good quality, but not user friendly.

[trunk_munkey28]

We should all get bank loans, pitch in, and start our own company. Market aggressively to DND and for private purchase.

[breki]

What is Fellfab? Clothe the Soldier mobsters?

[Alpheus]

Would the vest fall under the certain % made in Canada bull****?

[CARL GUSTAV]

Man do I miss my webbing.

[Pete031]

FellFab makes the new ruck, day pack and the current TacVest...

[breki]

Yeah, checked out there website. Do you guys have some new chest rigs or something for your tour?

[Pete031]

We have an authorized list that we are allowed to buy.

Most went with the TT split Mav....
And there is word that we are getting some trial ones when we get there.

[breki]

Cool. I will be counting on you to keep me abreast of the issue.

[Pete031]

Sure, I'll give updates whenever we are back in KAF... So don't hold your breath...lol.

[breki]

Seriously though, this is something that we need to get right. Alot of money has been invested into these tac vests that nobody likes. We have a crap-load of green and tan ones which boils down to big waste of money. I don't know about other areas but LFQA is making big budget cuts right now. This may be the last chance we have to get it right before we could be left with a product for the next 20 years if the Liberals ever take power agian!

[Pete031]

Yeah..... Well, everyone knows what works. TT is proven... Same with eagle and Paraclete....

[Critter]

I'm sure the "powers that be" will **** it up and buy some POS that their clerk staff thought looked nice on them... Or some AKNA MF who never has to wear the gear for real gives his points.... anyways g/l to those on the receiving end...hehe

[-[Crosshair]-]

They trialed these in CFB Valcartier a couple of weeks ago. I was actually part of this trial (not directly).

They split our group in two; half of us tested the new vests and half of us tested... something else. I was in the group that did not test the vests but both groups hung out together a lot so I got to fiddle with a bit of everything.

The group that did try out the vests had 3 different models to try out. Everyone did exercises in the field, everyone did the obstacle courses with all the different stuff to compare, everyone went to the live ranges and did run-downs and gun fighter drills and a lot of other stuff. We didn't stay inside our buildings... It was also pouring rain for 2 weeks straight while we were outside.

Future rotos are going to field test the vests on the two-way range so this project of issuing new vests is coming along VERY nicely.




Hint: We'll have something new to protect our heads in the near future.



Edit: Oh yeah and the guys that tested these were mostly reg force infantry. I'm a weapons tech (only EME guy that was there), I saw some transmissions guys, armoured dudes and stuff. Everyone had to send a few volunteers for this.

[Critter]

My point being is even though they do this testing and trials, they will and ALREADY have an idea which piece of equipment they are going to purchase... It's just a matter of figuring out who wants to make a build a production plant in Canada, to make it.
I might be wrong, but it has been the case for pretty much everything the CF procures (LSVW, B.E.W. Tacvest, cbt boot)

BTW the 4 examples listed above all failed their trials...

...food for thought

[chassem]

Quebecquois is like no other dialect of french.... Kind of like Acadian or Cajun French.


Here is a stange man, trying to explain it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPenHx5o4p4&feature=related

You forgot the king of all hybrids... Chiac!

http://www.youtube.com/v/tmWAU-yK-yw

http://www.youtube.com/v/zRgbpIQU1hw&feature=related

[Echo-Observer-31B]

Any more news one this ?

[One Shot Tactical Supply]

You'll see a tender go out on MERX for some sort of modular TV created from everyones input, for a Canadian company to build the abortion. You know, the Canadian version, that we have tested, and designed blah blah blah

Two years from now we might have something.

Any purchase over $25,000 must be approved by public works and go for tender. Anything below that, at 1500 pieces = around $15 each.