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I can't think of a name
10-17-2009, 04:47 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6359034/Joe-Biden-the-worrying-rise-of-Barack-Obamas-Mr-Wrong.html


Want to know how to deal with a momentous issue of war or grand strategy? You could do a lot worse than check out what Vice-President Joe Biden thinks – and plump for the opposite.

Mr Biden was chosen as Barack Obama's running mate last August because he was old, white and supposedly knew a lot about foreign policy. I say "supposedly" because really Mr Biden's overseas expertise amounted to having spent a long time as chairman of the Senate foreign affairs committee, knowing the names of lots of world leaders, and being able to josh around amiably with them during congressional junkets across the globe.

What Mr Obama overlooked was that Mr Biden, who served as a senator for tiny Delaware for 36 years, had never run anything in his life, or taken decisions rather than talking about things, at legendary length. Even in the United States Senate, that august body which each week produces enough hot air to transport 1,000 six-year-olds across America, Mr Biden – who sports hair plugs and a set of porcelain-enhanced gnashers that would blind a polar bear – is renowned for his wordiness.

His speech is littered with the word "literally" and he glories in meandering anecdotes about his family and Irish ancestry. When Obama aides tried to muzzle him during the campaign, Mr Biden agreed but would then muse on the stump: "I try to cut this stuff down, not dumb it down, just get down to the quick of the matter, the essence of the matter."

Making fun of Joe Biden is a bipartisan affair. A quip about Biden being a windbag is guaranteed to bring a Democrat and Republican together in Washington.

Mr Obama himself even dabbled in it in February when he responded to a question about yet another Biden gaffe by saying, "I don't know what Joe was referring to, not surprisingly", prompting stifled s******s from White House staffers at the back of the room.

A miffed Mr Biden used his weekly lunch with the President to ask him not to "diss" him in public. Mr Obama agreed, scheduling a photo op of the pair eating hamburgers together to demonstrate they were still buddies. The real difficulty with Mr Biden, however, is his judgement.

On all the big questions, he has been – to put it politely – on the wrong side of history. In 1990, he voted against American forces expelling Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. He voted for the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and advocated splitting it into three states along ethnic lines. He opposed the Iraq troop surge of 2007 that pacified the country and rescued the US from the jaws of defeat.

Now, Mr Biden is pushing a policy of what he terms "counter-terrorism plus" – a scheme which involves a much smaller military presence in Afghanistan, with al-Qaeda elements being targeted at long range by military drones and smart missiles.

This runs entirely against the counter-insurgency doctrine convincingly outlined by Gen Stanley McChrystal, who wants an extra 40,000 troops to enable Nato forces to protect and influence the people while mentoring the Afghan army and police, and gathering intelligence on the ground.

The problem is that Mr Obama may now be listening to Mr Biden. Having supposedly already settled on an Afghan strategy in March, he is giving a very public impression of Hamlet as he wrings his hands and conducts endless White House debates – with details leaked to the press – about what to do. These Afghanistan policy seminars are principally designed to demonstrate that Mr Obama is not the hot-headed "decider" President George W Bush. But the dithering is projecting a dangerous uncertainty about the West's intentions to an Afghan people craving assurance that Nato is fully committed, and in for the long haul. More seriously, Mr Obama's inclination on troop levels seems to be to seek a middle way – a "splitting the baby" option that could be the worst of all possible worlds.

The Left, sensing that Mr Obama is wavering and beginning to rethink his campaign contention that Afghanistan was the "good war" as opposed to Mr Bush's evil Iraq adventure, is throwing its lot in with Mr Biden. There's a solidifying conventional wisdom in Washington that Mr Biden's star is in the ascendant. This week's Newsweek front cover sporting the vice-president's steely visage beside the headline "Why Joe is No Joke" is no doubt already framed in the Biden downstairs loo. If Mr Obama really believes that's true then we could all be in big trouble.

Finally people are realizing what a joke this man is who was billed by the media during the campaign as a "Foreign Policy Expert". He was wrong on everything during the Cold War (go look at his positions and laugh). Just like Brzezinski he gets get the "expert" label even though their records don't show it.

RICHICOQUI
10-17-2009, 04:56 PM
"Mr Biden was chosen as Barack Obama's running mate last August because he was old, white and supposedly knew a lot about foreign policy". That quote really stands out!!

LineDoggie
10-17-2009, 05:21 PM
Follows in the lines of those unforgettable VP's:

Gore
Quayle
Mondale
Ford

Who made us laugh with their ludicris ****ouncements

But this is the best line in the article

"What Mr Obama overlooked was that Mr Biden, who served as a senator for tiny Delaware for 36 years, had never run anything in his life"

Birds of a Feather and all that

West Texican
10-17-2009, 05:33 PM
I'm not a fan of Vice President Biden but Toby Harnden seems to be a more of a smug gossip than a real reporter. I'm beginning to feel that way about most reporters.

RICHICOQUI
10-17-2009, 05:38 PM
Remember more then 20 years when he stole a speech from a british politican http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rkoqglq9dU rofl

Wimbly
10-17-2009, 06:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIFV7jXBFQ

He also said that Obama couldn't be president because its not the place for on the job training.

budgie
10-17-2009, 07:44 PM
Biden seems like a lame choice - Obama's Al Gore or Dan Quayle, lacking any real zing or personality.

However that's better, IMO than having a hick hockey-mom skipping around with her "you betcha's" or a **** Cheney practically pulling the president's strings.

11 Bravo
10-17-2009, 11:32 PM
Biden seems like a lame choice - Obama's Al Gore or Dan Quayle, lacking any real zing or personality.

However that's better, IMO than having a hick hockey-mom skipping around with her "you betcha's" or a **** Cheney practically pulling the president's strings.

A hick mom or a cheney... jeez show your colors a little more loudly why 'dontcha'.

budgie
10-18-2009, 04:19 AM
Cut me some slack, I still think Biden is a lame choice. Might not like the GOP much, but that doesn't mean I agree with Obama's every decision.

TR1
10-18-2009, 04:30 AM
The surge rescued the US from the jaws of defeat? Wow, I did not realize it was such a momentous occasion.

Wimbly
10-18-2009, 08:06 AM
A hick mom or a cheney... jeez show your colors a little more loudly why 'dontcha'.

You see its ok when liberals racially attack people based on culture and the way they talk.

11 Bravo
10-18-2009, 09:49 AM
You see its ok when liberals racially attack people based on culture and the way they talk.

It's always been so painfully obvious... but these days it's par for the course for them . Almost as though they cannot be accepted by their kind if they do not show their skewed hypocritical POV and wear it like a stain you betcha.

commanding
10-18-2009, 10:00 AM
I have always been an "un fan" of Biden. The man is a pompous windbag, and like the article says has never really been a CEO of anything, not the mangager of a McDonalds, or the manager of a Starbucks, or "Stop and Rob" store.
His lack of real world experience, is astonding. Furthermore he loves to play his card, which is the "feel sorry for me" card, because of some tragedy in his life, which everyone has. His whitened teeth and hair, fake tan and expensive suits and hairdo snow most of the people most of the time.

11 Bravo
10-18-2009, 10:22 AM
I have always been an "un fan" of Biden. The man is a pompous windbag, and like the article says has never really been a CEO of anything, not the mangager of a McDonalds, or the manager of a Starbucks, or "Stop and Rob" store.
His lack of real world experience, is astonding. Furthermore he loves to play his card, which is the "feel sorry for me" card, because of some tragedy in his life, which everyone has. His whitened teeth and hair, fake tan and expensive suits and hairdo snow most of the people most of the time.

I was born and raised in New Jerky's peepuls Repooblik... and Bidenski was always a media whore on the news in print or TV from the tiny little place south. I remember when delaware built a turnpike through itself ( north-south ) and how jokingly short it was and it was simply built to rob coin from those unfortunate enough to go through the land of Biden on their way points south.
Biden I am sure has one badge on his chest... the delaware politico mafia... he sure has "run" that. The cracker version of the Sopranos.

Zarak
10-18-2009, 10:30 AM
I have always been an "un fan" of Biden. The man is a pompous windbag, and like the article says has never really been a CEO of anything, not the mangager of a McDonalds, or the manager of a Starbucks, or "Stop and Rob" store.
His lack of real world experience, is astonding. Furthermore he loves to play his card, which is the "feel sorry for me" card, because of some tragedy in his life, which everyone has. His whitened teeth and hair, fake tan and expensive suits and hairdo snow most of the people most of the time.

Couldn't agree more.

JKD
10-18-2009, 10:37 AM
You see its ok when liberals racially attack people based on culture and the way they talk.

Hick is a racial slur now?

Zarak
10-18-2009, 10:40 AM
Hick is a racial slur now?

As a derogatory stereotype which almost always refers to white people, yes. Its no different than wetback or porchmonkey.

JKD
10-18-2009, 10:43 AM
As a derogatory stereotype which almost always refers to white people, yes. Its no different than wetback or porchmonkey.

I've yet to see someone who isn't a hick be called a hick simply because they're white.

Wimbly
10-18-2009, 10:55 AM
Hick is a racial slur now?

If I make fun of "ghetto trash" talking like, "don't be front'in", you wont find anything racial about it?

Much of the attacks on Palin are about her skin color, her culture or the way she talks. In fact, the term "poor white trash" is often used and apparently acceptable. I'm just pointing out the pretty obvious double standard. Liberals seem to be able to make all kinds of racial attacks and get away with it, simply because they are the ones to manufacture the outrage to begin with.

JKD
10-18-2009, 11:02 AM
If I make fun of "ghetto trash" talking like, "don't be front'in", you wont find anything racial about it?


I've seen white people talk like that too. I've known Hispanic rednecks. It's a culture/lifestyle sort of thing. I don't see it as being racial

I'll go with Marriam-Webster on this
hick
: an unsophisticated provincial person

Sounds like Palin to me.

Wimbly
10-18-2009, 11:16 AM
I've seen white people talk like that too. I've known Hispanic rednecks. It's a culture/lifestyle sort of thing. I don't see it as being racial

If Rush Limbaugh said it, you and I both know it would be called racist.


I'll go with Marriam-Webster on this
hick
: an unsophisticated provincial person

Sounds like Palin to me.Here is what you get with a google search of "hick"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=hick&cts=1255878817818&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

It seems most people think hick pertains to whites. Its getting old arguing with people who make all kinds of excuses anti-white racial epithets. You get the same kind of excuses when it comes to "white trash" and "redneck". Either way, attacking someone based on their culture or the way they talk is pretty low, if not bigoted.

JKD
10-18-2009, 11:51 AM
If Rush Limbaugh said it, you and I both know it would be called racist.

Your man crush on Limbaugh is getting to be a little disconcerting.


Here is what you get with a google search of "hick"

Marriam-Webster be damned then.


It seems most people think hick pertains to whites. Its getting old arguing with people who make all kinds of excuses anti-white racial epithets. You get the same kind of excuses when it comes to "white trash" and "redneck". Either way, attacking someone based on their culture or the way they talk is pretty low, if not bigoted.
The left is overly sensitive to racism and the right is overly sensitive to reverse racism. Neat.

Doesn't change the fact that many people consider Palin to be an unsophisticated provincial person and don't view that as the sort of thing to aspire to or to be admired or to be placed in position of power.

commanding
10-18-2009, 11:52 AM
If Rush Limbaugh said it, you and I both know it would be called racist.

Here is what you get with a google search of "hick"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=hick&cts=1255878817818&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

It seems most people think hick pertains to whites. Its getting old arguing with people who make all kinds of excuses anti-white racial epithets. You get the same kind of excuses when it comes to "white trash" and "redneck". Either way, attacking someone based on their culture or the way they talk is pretty low, if not bigoted.
Reminds me of a phrase I remember from the Clinton administration, referring to Bill's fondness for the likes of Paula Jones : "Drag a hundred dollar bill thru a trailer park and see what you come up with" or words to that effect.
Pretty tasteless and insulting to women and those living in mobile homes etc.

GregHJ
10-18-2009, 01:35 PM
I really don't see much of a similarity between Biden and Quayle. Biden is a fairly intelligent guy, Quayle on the other hand, well, he's the guy who said, "It's not pollution that's harming the environment, it's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." I'm not saying Biden is perfect, he's very long-winded and ****e to saying things without thinking, but he definitely knows his stuff, even if his opinions may differ from ours.

On a separate note, "hick" is not a racial slur and never has been. I'll agree that it's most commonly used to describe white people, but that doesn't mean its racist.

LineDoggie
10-18-2009, 02:29 PM
Not a slur, but a Code word, like Flyover States. It's used by the left to belittle those from humble circumstances who arent as Urbanely sophisticated and therefore to be ignored, demeaned, and marginalized.

I can't think of a name
10-18-2009, 02:55 PM
I really don't see much of a similarity between Biden and Quayle. Biden is a fairly intelligent guy, Quayle on the other hand, well, he's the guy who said, "It's not pollution that's harming the environment, it's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." I'm not saying Biden is perfect, he's very long-winded and ****e to saying things without thinking, but he definitely knows his stuff, even if his opinions may differ from ours.

On a separate note, "hick" is not a racial slur and never has been. I'll agree that it's most commonly used to describe white people, but that doesn't mean its racist.

"Towelhead" could apply to many different races and cultural group too. How is its use different than hick?

GregHJ
10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
I don't really see how "hick" is used exclusively by left-leaning people. It's a derogatory term for an unsophisticated country person. It's synonymous with yokel or redneck. It's used by quite a bit of people and it's just a rather common stereotype. I'm not justifying insulting people, it's wrong. I don't think anyone's political association comes into play when using it. On a second note, conservatives have their own marginalizing terms too: hippie, elitist, intellectual. Of course, not all conservatives are like this, and neither are all liberals. People aren't arrogant because of their political ideology, their arrogant because they are assholes. It seems like a few people on ths thread are doing a bit of marginalizing of their own.

JKD
10-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Not a slur, but a Code word, like Flyover States.
Or "real America"?


It's used by the left to belittle those from humble circumstances who arent as Urbanely sophisticated and therefore to be ignored, demeaned, and marginalized.
My parents were both born and raised on farms....in flyover country. I don't consider either to be a hick. I grew up in and live in a small town and don't consider myself a hick. Nor do I consider myself some sort of urban sophisticate.

There are a lot of people who are born into tough situations and there are a lot who aren't. I grew up with and know plenty of hicks who own too many acres, square footage, boats, sea-doos, ATVs, brand new jacked up F350s, and so on to be considered of humble circumstances. I just find a lot of them to be willfully ignorant on a great many things. Perfectly nice people but not necessarily anyone I want running the country.

Noble713
10-18-2009, 05:05 PM
In fact, the term "poor white trash" is often used and apparently acceptable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCbc6XbFIDU

I haven't been following the news much lately, but it seems that Obama is either

a) doing nothing on the issue
b) moving towards doing something, but that something is Biden-inspired and therefore a bad idea

Both are losing situations IMO. It's sad yet ironic that Bush went in claiming to be "the decider", but was really having his strings pulled by Darth Cheney and friends. This was fine because I don't think anyone had much faith in his intellect anyway. Now we have Obama, who, as an individual man, I think more people trust in his decision-making and WANT him to make his own decisions, and yet STILL he's just listening to the morons that whisper in his ear.

Dan2004
10-18-2009, 05:38 PM
Follows in the lines of those unforgettable VP's:

Gore
Quayle
Mondale
Ford

Who made us laugh with their ludicris ****ouncements

But this is the best line in the article

"What Mr Obama overlooked was that Mr Biden, who served as a senator for tiny Delaware for 36 years, had never run anything in his life"

Birds of a Feather and all that

Agnew....

Nattering nabobs of negativity and whatnot...

11 Bravo
10-18-2009, 09:48 PM
I've yet to see someone who isn't a hick be called a hick simply because they're white.

I guess you come from an uppercrust egalitarian neighborhood.

JKD
10-18-2009, 10:01 PM
I guess you come from an uppercrust egalitarian neighborhood.

You guess wrong.