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Vettec
10-19-2009, 07:43 AM
The Ministry of Education has taken the unusual step of collecting all copies of the history textbook, "Nationalism: Building a State in the Middle East" which was published about two months ago by the Zalman Shazar Center. They will be returned to the shelves only after corrections are made to the text, particularly with reference to the War of Independence.

The book had already been approved by the ministry.

"Collecting the books from the shops is an unnecessary [form of] censorship," said Dr. Tsafrir Goldberg, who wrote the controversial chapter on the war. "The process of approving the text was completed in serious fashion from both the pedagogic and the historic points of view. The fact that the education minister changed does not mean that it is possible to bypass this procedure."

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On September 22, Haaretz reported that the textbook, which is meant for 11th and 12th-grades, for the first time presented the Palestinian claim that there had been ethnic cleansing in 1948.

"The Palestinians and the Arab countries contended that most of the refugees were civilians who were attacked and expelled from their homes by armed Jewish forces, which instituted a policy of ethnic cleansing, contrary to the proclamations of peace in the Declaration of Independence," states the text, which presented the Palestinian and the Israeli-Jewish versions side by side.

Criticism about the book was voiced by history teachers.

"Presenting Israel's claims as being equal to those of Arab propagandists is exactly like presenting the claims of the Nazis alongside those of the Jews," one of them said.

On the other hand, another teacher noted that the most important component in studying history is to introduce as many points of view as possible.

Following the newspaper report, Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar instructed the ministry's director general, Shimshon Shoshani, to examine the book and look into the process of approving texts in general.

Officials in the ministry said Sunday that an examination carried out by Michael Yaron, who is in charge of history studies, found "a great many mistakes, some of them serious. As a result of this examination it was decided that the original version of the textbook must be withdrawn and returned to the stores only after being corrected."

Among other things, the Shazar Center was asked to exchange the original Palestinian text that appears in the book, written by Walid Khalidi, for another that is closer to reality, said Goldberg, who finished making the changes recently.

Another demand was that the term "ethnic cleansing" be redacted. Goldberg says that he changed the phrase and spoke instead of an organized policy of expulsion.

When the corrections have been completed, the book will be reviewed again at the publishers and in the ministry, before it is given final approval.

"The state has the right to determine the contents of textbooks but this is not supposed to be done by the education minister," Goldberg said.

He noted, though, that some of the remarks were merely cosmetic and did not pose any problem. "The publishing house decided to make the corrections as a form of self censorship," Goldberg said.

Zvi Yekutiel, the executive director of the Shazar Center, said that "the book has to be aimed at the widest possible consensus and not at the fringes on the left or the right. We made a mistake and we are correcting it."

Last month, Yekutiel said that there had been no remarks about the chapter on the War of Independence during the process of approving the book.

He added that "the explicit instruction from the ministry was to include controversial points of view so that the students can confront them and make up their own minds."

Yekutiel said the ministry would pay for the collection of the books from the stores.

The ministry approved the textbook for use in the schools on July 26, after it had been sent to two external assessors - an academic and a teacher.

It was granted approval after an examination of its suitability for the curriculum and its scientific reliability.

The ministry spokesman said last week that, "from the start the book was intended to go into use as a textbook only from this coming January, so the students were not yet exposed to the relevant material. It was decided as well that the director general's circular should be corrected to make it clear that the responsibility and authority for approving textbooks is on the inspectors and coordinators who are responsible for the various subjects taught and who have to examine the books before they are approved and pass on their remarks and instructions."

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1122006.html

gilgoul
10-19-2009, 09:01 AM
Burn them book (just kidding)
Result of the ministry of our national Pelosi, Yuli Tamir and her contrition band.
Ah the great contribution of the leftists in Israel, the beauties of Post Zionism, the promotion of loonies at post of responsibilities by Yuli Taamir and her contrition Band, and the really positive influence of the Olmert administration.
I digg it

Danik
10-19-2009, 09:28 AM
Vettec on the job, and when will they start teaching the Holocaust in Gaza?

I guess the rest of the world is just as bad or I may have missed that week of classes where we learned how the Germans suffered during WWII.

Invisigoth
10-19-2009, 12:11 PM
Vettec on the job, and when will they start teaching the Holocaust in Gaza?

I guess the rest of the world is just as bad or I may have missed that week of classes where we learned how the Germans suffered during WWII.

Well, thank god that two wrongs make a right!

Danik
10-19-2009, 12:18 PM
Well, thank god that two wrongs make a right!


That would be three wrongs actually, and if we started counting it would take a research team and a large government grant to cover all the MODERN conflicts and the text books from the respective participants.

I doubt Albanian textbooks devote chapters to the displacement of Serbs, Sri Lanken textbooks to the displacement of Tamils, Greek and Turkish Cypriot text books to the treatment of each other and so on and so forth. Yet its a morality issue on a global scale that SOME Israeli textbooks may not mention the displacement of Arabs? The fact that it was taught at all already puts them well in advance of almost all actors in modern conflicts.

gilgoul
10-19-2009, 01:33 PM
The issue here is the tone and content of the chapter in question.
The Naqba is mentioned, explained and even controversial episodes of the war of Independence are taught in Israeli high schools.
We don't need to take on the job of the palestinian propagandists in our schools, that's it, we have universities for that.

kkbou
10-19-2009, 03:09 PM
Vettec on the job, and when will they start teaching the Holocaust in Gaza?


They already know who was responsible for the holocaust. But the way they get treated you'd be forgiven for thinking that they were the guilty party.

Danik
10-19-2009, 03:11 PM
They already know who was responsible for the holocaust. But the way they get treated you'd be forgiven for thinking that they were the guilty party.

Who already knows? And whaty what what what?

1000th post

Octavariable
10-19-2009, 03:16 PM
1000th post

Congratulations, the highlight of this thread.

No sarcasm was used to write the previous sentence.

dracon49
10-19-2009, 05:53 PM
Very good. Why should Israelis learn on something that says that the birth of Israel is catastrophic?...

GB_FXST
10-19-2009, 06:04 PM
There was no policy of ethnic cleansing, so this is most definitely a correct decision.

profall
10-19-2009, 07:13 PM
I think this is kind of counter-productive, every nation has to learn it's own faults.

Here in America when we colonized North America we killed, raped, poisoned, imprisoned/enslaved etc... the Native Americans and we teach it in schools. It's good to teach these types of things, so that we learn from our mistakes and hopefully society does not repeat these horrible acts again.

the_Wicked
10-19-2009, 07:23 PM
I think this is kind of counter-productive, every nation has to learn it's own faults.

Here in America when we colonized North America we killed, raped, poisoned, imprisoned/enslaved etc... the Native Americans and we teach it in schools. It's good to teach these types of things, so that we learn from our mistakes and hopefully society does not repeat these horrible acts again.

Except as far as all Jewish accounts show (and taking into account the Palestinians track record of exaggerating absolutely everything that happens to them a hundred-fold, whether a victory or a loss) nothing of the sort actually happened.

I'm all for learning my nations faults and it has a f*ckload of them, but its doubtful the so called "naqba" is one of them.

GB_FXST
10-19-2009, 07:29 PM
I think this is kind of counter-productive, every nation has to learn it's own faults.

Here in America when we colonized North America we killed, raped, poisoned, imprisoned/enslaved etc... the Native Americans and we teach it in schools. It's good to teach these types of things, so that we learn from our mistakes and hopefully society does not repeat these horrible acts again.

We do?

When did US Public High Schools add a critical review of the US Government’s policy on Native Americans to their curriculum?

Does any US Public High School use a text book claiming US Government policy towards Native Americans was a form of ethnic cleansing?

BTW, the US government policy towards Native Americans and the Israel government policy toward Palestinians are not analogous.

profall
10-19-2009, 07:54 PM
We do?

When did US Public High Schools add a critical review of the US Government’s policy on Native Americans to their curriculum?

Does any US Public High School use a text book claiming US Government policy towards Native Americans was a form of ethnic cleansing?

BTW, the US government policy towards Native Americans and the Israel government policy toward Palestinians are not analogous.

Idk about Arizona, but here in New York we spent at least a good 2-3 months in American History class learning about the Native Americans and spent at least 2-3 weeks learning about colonist interaction with the Native Americans and how they mis-treated them. Hell, I remember it being a subject of one of the essay questions on the NYS Regents (State-wide administered test).

They don't claim it was ethnic cleansing, but they DO talk about what the colonists and what America did. How bad reservations were setup and how we pretty much ripped off the Native Americans in their own land. I am pretty sure we teach it in high schools, at least in NY. I remember reading stuff in textbooks of how the Spanish and English colonists would hand out blankets for free to the indians that were infested with small pox and stuff.