Touch Tibet: Myths, Realities and On-going Transformations

[Shuimo]

What images does the place Tibet conjure up in yr mind?

Or is it just a seemingly familiar yet mysterious place you hear a hell lot in news stories? I guess this is most probably the case with a great majority of our MPers here.

Then have you ever welled up any urge in your heart to go to Tibet to see for yrself what the place is really like?

Here in this special thread Shuimo would like to present to you all MPers interested in Tibet a pictorial account of my recent trip there!

Never have I enjoyed a more rewarding and memorable trip than my Tibet trip this fall!I assure you!

If only my photos managed to capture 1/10 of the remarkable unique beauty of the world's roof!


Hope you enjoy it!
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The blue line represents the railline of 4064 km that brought me from Beijing to Lhasa, the capital city of the Tibet Autonomous Region, through two days' trip by train!

The red line means the route of the 4-hour air travel that brought me back from Lhasa to Beijing with a short stopover in Chongqing Municipality!


A big round moon on the plateau greets train passengers in the morning!
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Morning moon, yak, mountain in an enormous wilderness
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A team of freight trucks on Qinghai-Tibet Highway
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Qinghai-Tibet Highway Upclose
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Heart-soothing tranquility on the plateau pasture
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[Try&die]

Hahahahhahaha

[plato]

Tibet is indeed a very beautiful place to visit, and I would love to go there someday. But, why would CCP restrict foreigners to visit such a beautiful place? I We need a visa to enter China, and then another "visa" to enter Tibet.

Why is my Chinese visa not good enough for Tibet? A part of China.

[hulaku]

Tibet is indeed a very beautiful place to visit, and I would love to go there someday. But, why would CCP restrict foreigners to visit such a beautiful place? I We need a visa to enter China, and then another "visa" to enter Tibet.

Why is my Chinese visa not good enough for Tibet? A part of China.

The simple explanation is that the Chinese dont want the world to see the reality of the cultural genocide committed on the Tibetans and the continued oppression of the Tibetans by the large number of Han Chinese who now outnumber the Tibetans in Lhasa.

That to me is the only logical reason.

[kamaz]

you guys should google 'sky burial' - a unique Tibetan cultural experience.

[plato]

you guys should google 'sky burial' - a unique Tibetan cultural experience.
sounds like the most environmental burial there is. no smoke, no land use.

[Shuimo]

Wildly dancing clouds atop mountains
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Shuimo has never seen such patches of snowwhite clouds in inland China
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Ranges of snow-capped mountains
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Heart-gripping love btw snow-capped mountains and snowwhite clouds
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Herds of plateau animals typically raised in Tibet
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In some other part of the plateau it is already winter!
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Fountain head of the Yangtze that flows from Qinghai-Tibet plateau across China into the Pacific near Shanghai!
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[Shuimo]

Qinghai-Tibet railline, also nicknamed as the Heavenly Road
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My highest respect to all those responsible for the maintainence work of the railline amidst all the rigours of plateau environment!
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Lhasa Railway Station featuring ethnically Tibetan archiectural style!
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[Solvent]

The simple explanation is that the Chinese dont want the world to see the reality of the cultural genocide committed on the Tibetans and the continued oppression of the Tibetans by the large number of Han Chinese who now outnumber the Tibetans in Lhasa.

That to me is the only logical reason.

Unfortunately, your logical reason doesn't make sense. If they don't want the world to see it. Why did they ban foreigners completely? There are many foreigner travel in Tibet every year.

[Shuimo]

Western faces being a most common sight on the streets of Lhasa!rofl
I even talked to a considerable number of westen touritsts during my stay in Lhasa! They came from different countries, for instance, Germany, Australia, America!
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Hey, what are they doing? With calculator in hand, near a stall full of delicated souvenirs!
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Lhasa street scene
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Dusk in Lhasa
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Clear blue sky:the biggest selling point of Lhasa to me
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[kamaz]

My highest respect to all those responsible for the maintainence work of the railline amidst all the rigours of plateau environement!




this sounds like something one would read on a Communist party banner lol.

[Shuimo]

this sounds like something one would read on a Communist party banner lol.
If you work there, you deserve it as well!rofl

[kamaz]

wow sounds like China is a totally benevolent overlord.. Everything is so tranquil up there in Lhasa, I dont even remember those massive riots against the Han Chinese that are displacing the ethnic Tibetans in their own land.

[plato]

Unfortunately, your logical reason doesn't make sense. If they don't want the world to see it. Why did they ban foreigners completely? There are many foreigner travel in Tibet every year.

first, they did ban foreigners completely for some times. I think it was for about 3 months, i could be wrong.

2nd, there are many foreigners travel in Tibet every year, but no reporter is allowed into Tibet with government escort. Why?

[theholeinthedonut]

Another "Völkischer Beobachter"-like thread from a gifted Dr Goebbels from Beijing, just what this place needed!

[Shuimo]

wow sounds like China is a totally benevolent overlord.. Everything is so tranquil up there in Lhasa, I dont even remember those massive riots against the Han Chinese that are displacing the ethnic Tibetans in their own land.

I rejoice to tell you that what I saw in Lhasa has convinced me that the regional capital city is fast developing into a modern multicultural city pulsatating with a thrilling mixture of ethnicity, religiousness, oldenness, materialism, and modernity!:)

[Shuimo]

first, they did ban foreigners completely for some times. I think it was for about 3 months, i could be wrong.

2nd, there are many foreigners travel in Tibet every year, but no reporter is allowed into Tibet with government escort. Why?

You can visit Tibet as tourists, but not as reporters!
Perfectly resonable!rofl

[kamaz]

I rejoice to tell you that what I saw in Lhasa has convinced me that the regional capital city is fast developing into a modern multicultural city pulsatating with a thrilling mixture of ethnicity, religiousness, oldenness, materialism, and modernity!:)

oh man, I got back from Cuba a few months ago, and I was reading the official communist government-published tourist brochure there, and it sounded exactly like your replies here, catchy, upbeat, full of that lovely communist jingoism that has zero relevance to reality.

I dont know what they do to your head in China, but I didnt think people would be this brainwashed.

I'm sure those thousands of Tibetans that rioted there 2 years ago really appreciate all this 'multicultural' and materialistic gifts from their big brother.

[Shuimo]

oh man, I got back from Cuba a few months ago, and I was reading the official communist government-published tourist brochure there, and it sounded exactly like your replies here, catchy, upbeat, full of that lovely communist jingoism that has zero relevance to reality.

I dont know what they do to your head in China, but I didnt think people would be this brainwashed.

I'm sure those thousands of Tibetans that rioted there 2 years ago really appreciate all this 'multicultural' and materialistic gifts from their big brother.

Wow, why not expose yrself to more Chinese doses of medicines for curing Western diseases of apathy towards yr country and people?

The Chinese are just naturally dispositioned to be upbeat, aren't we?

Not everything you dislike in other peoples means they are brainwashed by claiming moral high ground of taking you yrself to immunity from being brainwashed!:roll:

[Solvent]

first, they did ban foreigners completely for some times. I think it was for about 3 months, i could be wrong.

2nd, there are many foreigners travel in Tibet every year, but no reporter is allowed into Tibet with government escort. Why?

I believe I answered your first question before. I am not going to repeat again.

I am not sure about the second though.

[Shuimo]

Tibet is indeed a very beautiful place to visit, and I would love to go there someday. But, why would CCP restrict foreigners to visit such a beautiful place? I We need a visa to enter China, and then another "visa" to enter Tibet.

Why is my Chinese visa not good enough for Tibet? A part of China.

Well, even HK requires the mainlanders of special procedures if any mainland Chinese wishes to visit the tiny place!

It is no big deal for you to get travel permit to Tibet, if you are already in China!
But you even don't take the trouble to do that!

[Shuimo]

The simple explanation is that the Chinese dont want the world to see the reality of the cultural genocide committed on the Tibetans and the continued oppression of the Tibetans by the large number of Han Chinese who now outnumber the Tibetans in Lhasa.

That to me is the only logical reason.
Typically Western-brainwashed view on Tibet!

[Sakop]

Well, even HK requires the mainlanders of special procedures if any mainland Chinese wishes to visit the tiny place!

It is no big deal for you to get travel permit to Tibet, if you are already in China!
But you even don't take the trouble to do that!
You need travel permits to go somewhere in you own country? That sure sound like freedom to me...:-(

[Shuimo]

You need travel permits to go somewhere in you own country? That sure sound like freedom to me...:-(

Hmmm, for FOREINGERS to go to Tibet!

The HK case just shows that there is always allowance for special circumstances' sake!

[plato]

You can visit Tibet as tourists, but not as reporters!
Perfectly resonable!rofl
Why is that "Perfectly resonable!"?

[plato]

Well, even HK requires the mainlanders of special procedures if any mainland Chinese wishes to visit the tiny place!

It is no big deal for you to get travel permit to Tibet, if you are already in China!
But you even don't take the trouble to do that!

Do mainland Chinese reporters need to be escorted by HK government officals when reporting in HongKong?

I agree, it is not a big deal for me to get a travel permit to Tibet. The big deal is the reason why they want us to get a permit to Tibet. It is NOT the same reason why HK requires the mainlanders for a permit.

Restricting tourists is one indication, restricting and escorting reporters is another indication. Those two indicates that CCP doesn't want us to see Tibet. NO?

[plato]

Typically Western-brainwashed view on Tibet!

Then please gives us an unbrainwashed view on why such restrictions on reporters and tourists into Tibet.

[Ordie]

Nice pictures!

I hope you had a great trip.

The inaccessibility and mystery of Tibet makes it seductive.

[Ordie]

You need travel permits to go somewhere in you own country? That sure sound like freedom to me...:-(

I never visited Tibet, but every time I visited China, there are no restrictions on my personal movement.

[Rayber]

Indeed very nice pictures, one of the must visit places before i die ^^

[Shuimo]

Indeed very nice pictures, one of the must visit places before i die ^^

Well, I guess Tibet is the kind of place you would be constantly haunted with a desire to come back to again and again once you've set yr feet there!rofl

I know I've fallen in love with the place at first sight!

I am also sure I will get back to Tibet one time or another! :)

[Wahnsinn]

Well, I guess Tibet is the kind of place you would be constantly haunted with a desire to come back to again and again once you've set yr feet there!rofl

I know I've fallen in love with the place at first sight!

I am also sure I will get back to Tibet one time or another! :)

I'm fascinated by the scenery of the country, it seems so natural and untouched. I'm drawn to mountains for some reason, I feel lucky to live so close to the Cairngorms, a very beautiful part of Scotland.

Thank you for the pictures. :)

[Shuimo]

Nice pictures!

I hope you had a great trip.

The inaccessibility and mystery of Tibet makes it seductive.

It is the best trip I've ever had!

Tibet is not inaccessible!
The capital city Lhasa has direct airline/railline links with the most modern inland cities like Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou!rofl

I even worry Tibet is now losing its mystery progressively due to massive changes and modern developments in the cities there!:-(

[Shuimo]

I'm fascinated by the scenery of the country, it seems so natural and untouched. I'm drawn to mountains for some reason, I feel lucky to live so close to the Cairngorms, a very beautiful part of Scotland.

Thank you for the pictures. :)

Haha, my pleasure!

Then Tibet is precisely the place for you for all its resplendent towering mountains everywhere!:)

[Wahnsinn]

Haha, my pleasure!

Then Tibet is precisely the place for you for all its resplendent towering mountains everywhere!:)

One day if I ever find the funds and time. :)

[Shuimo]

Why is that "Perfectly resonable!"?

Reporters are not ordinary sort of people!
Given the profoundly complicated nature of Tibetan issues, it is perfectly reasonble for the Chinese gov to place such restrictions on foreign reporters!

[Shuimo]

Then please gives us an unbrainwashed view on why such restrictions on reporters and tourists into Tibet.

Unbrainwashed view is this:
Tibet is fast catching up with the rest of China in terms of economic development!

Mudslinging Tibetan modernization developements as cultural genocide is among the worst murderous libellings from western-brainwashed mouths!

[Eventine]

Chinese oppression in Tibet is almost certain, but is likely concentrated on the monasteries where those most loyal to the old ways (and the Dalai Lama) are likely to be.

I've never quite understood why China, in its version of Manifest Destiny, did not build new cities and towns in Tibet & Xinjiang instead of taking over existing ones. Wouldn't that be less painful for both sides?

[Dr_Fünke]

Unbrainwashed view is this:
Tibet is fast catching up with the rest of China in terms of economic development!



at what cost to the Tibetans?

[Zoomie]

Unbrainwashed view is this:
Tibet is fast catching up with the rest of China in terms of economic development!

Mudslinging Tibetan modernization developements as cultural genocide is among the worst murderous libellings from western-brainwashed mouths!
So, speaking one's mind is now akin to murder? :roll:

[Shuimo]

at what cost to the Tibetans?
End of serfdom!

[Shuimo]

Chinese oppression in Tibet is almost certain, but is likely concentrated on the monasteries where those most loyal to the old ways (and the Dalai Lama) are likely to be.
What do you mean by oppression?



I've never quite understood why China, in its version of Manifest Destiny, did not build new cities and towns in Tibet & Xinjiang instead of taking over existing ones. Wouldn't that be less painful for both sides?


You are surely joking!?

[saturnin]

You can visit Tibet as tourists, but not as reporters!
Perfectly resonable!rofl
It is reasonable for Chinese government, not for somebody who likes freedom. Anyway it nicely show that intellect is not enough to avoid people from doing stupid things.

[plato]

Unbrainwashed view is this:
Tibet is fast catching up with the rest of China in terms of economic development!

Mudslinging Tibetan modernization developements as cultural genocide is among the worst murderous libellings from western-brainwashed mouths!

Tibet is fast catching up is only one aspect of today's Tibet, the other aspects are being restricted for outside world to see. NO?


Reporters are not ordinary sort of people!
Given the profoundly complicated nature of Tibetan issues, it is perfectly reasonble for the Chinese gov to place such restrictions on foreign reporters!

How are reporters not ordinary people? What is considered ordinary, then? Are you ordinary, am I ordinary?

What "profoundly complicated nature of Tibetan issues," makes it reasonable?

[Ordie]

Tibet is fast catching up with the rest of China in terms of economic development!

Better quality of life does not always equate with economic development and growth.

I know many depressed and materialist rich folks with suicidal kids.

[Shuimo]

Tibet is fast catching up is only one aspect of today's Tibet, the other aspects are being restricted for outside world to see. NO?
I am all for the restriction, not banning!



How are reporters not ordinary people? What is considered ordinary, then? Are you ordinary, am I ordinary?

Of course we are all ordinary as indiviuals!
But professioanlly speaking, it is a different matter!
What Obama says or does differs significantly from what you or me say and do! This is called power of influence!

What do Western reporters do with expertise? Stir up trouble or mislead the world opinion through fabricating fake news stories?



What "profoundly complicated nature of Tibetan issues," makes it reasonable?


Dalailama's evil influence in Tibetan hearts and minds is not yet removed!
That is enough for the gov to do sth about it!
Restriction is among many of the measures to remove such evil influences!

[Shuimo]

Better quality of life does not always equate with economic development and growth.

I know many depressed and materialist rich folks with suicidal kids.

Yes, that is a good point!

But you have to agree mental changes are first rooted in materialistic changes! It is even more so for collective groups of people!

Tibet is already changing tremendously in a materialistic way!
Correspondning changes in the mind are surely following up!

That is why Dalailama is crying increasingly more like a baby or insance patient for fear of loss of his influence in Tibet!

[plato]

I am all for the restriction, not banning!




Of course we are all ordinary as indiviuals!
But professioanlly speaking, it is a different matter!
What Obama says or does differs significantly from what you or me say and do! This is called power of influence!

What do Western reporters do with expertise? Stir up trouble or mislead the world opinion through fabricating fake news stories?



Dalailama's evil influence in Tibetan hearts and minds is not yet removed!
That is enough for the gov to do sth about it!
Restriction is among many of the measures to remove such evil influences!

Which Western reporter who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news stories? Can you name one reporter? Thanks!

Are there fabricated fake news stories in the West? Yes, there are. But, the restricting of reporters has always been there. It is long before so called "fabricated fake news". China restricts these reporters not for fearing of "fabricated fake news". The CCP fear the truth being reported. As far as the CCP is concerned the more "fabricated fake news" is produced by the West, the easier for them to doctrinate. They WANT the West to "fabricate"! Just more material for them to use in their propaganda.

What is the evil influence in Tibetans? Thanks!

[TheMiddlePath]

Which Western reporter who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news stories? Can you name one reporter? Thanks!

Are there fabricated fake news stories in the West? Yes, there are. But, the restricting of reporters has always been there. It is long before so called "fabricated fake news". China restricts these reporters not for fearing of "fabricated fake news". The CCP fear the truth being reported. As far as the CCP is concerned the more "fabricated fake news" is produced by the West, the easier for them to doctrinate. They WANT the West to "fabricate"! Just more material for them to use in their propaganda.

What is the evil influence in Tibetans? Thanks!


Look Plato, yes some media lie. No name papers, gossip papers FLG media lie most of the time if not all the time. That is expected. But during the run up to the Beijing Olympic when the ENTIRE Western MAIN STREAM “Quality” news media join in the band wagon and lie and lie like there was no tomorrow. That is different. Truth was thrown out of the window. The more you lie the better the rewards.
Western news media also dominate the world with offices and reporters station all over the world so they control all the information.
Then add in the CIA/NED funded NGO like reporters without borders, Friend of FLG, Free Tibet movement, VOA …and you literary have the entire West joining in cheering the bashing of all things Chinese and China.

There is an ancient proverb that says. A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth. And now we have brainwashed Western Europeans and North Americans.

Yet there is more. Western Politicians and even top leaders of the West ignored the truth and joined in as well. Top leaders all KNOWS the truth since they have intelligence agents working for them that do not lie. Yet what do they do. Ignore the truth and Threaten China with sanctions and boycott.

And yet you amaze me. Demanding unrestricted access to Tibet with a straight face like all the lies of the past has been forgiven with a pat on the hand. How do you do it? Can you teach me ?

[BloodyTalon]

Look Plato, yes some media lie. No name papers, gossip papers FLG media lie most of the time if not all the time. That is expected. But during the run up to the Beijing Olympic when the ENTIRE Western MAIN STREAM “Quality” news media join in the band wagon and lie and lie like there was no tomorrow. That is different. Truth was thrown out of the window. The more you lie the better the rewards.
Western news media also dominate the world with offices and reporters station all over the world so they control all the information.
Then add in the CIA/NED funded NGO like reporters without borders, Friend of FLG, Free Tibet movement, VOA …and you literary have the entire West joining in cheering the bashing of all things Chinese and China.

There is an ancient proverb that says. A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth. And now we have brainwashed Western Europeans and North Americans.

Yet there is more. Western Politicians and even top leaders of the West ignored the truth and joined in as well. Top leaders all KNOWS the truth since they have intelligence agents working for them that do not lie. Yet what do they do. Ignore the truth and Threaten China with sanctions and boycott.

And yet you amaze me. Demanding unrestricted access to Tibet with a straight face like all the lies of the past has been forgiven with a pat on the hand. How do you do it? Can you teach me ?
I find it funny that you go into full rant on this massive conspiracy between the western news outlets and governments to bring China down yet not once did you answer plato's question.

[rkpo]

Yes, that is a good point!

But you have to agree mental changes are first rooted in materialistic changes! It is even more so for collective groups of people!

Tibet is already changing tremendously in a materialistic way!
Correspondning changes in the mind are surely following up!

That is why Dalailama is crying increasingly more like a baby or insance patient for fear of loss of his influence in Tibet!

You show you inability to understand the real issues with posts like this. Nice pics, but bad comprehension skills. Your attempts to paint Tibet are way too heavily juxtapositioned by your idiotic fantasy ramblings about the why Tibetan's have issues - not to mention your trotted out brainwash fed BS about the Dalai Lama. Try again please :)

[rkpo]

How do you do it? Can you teach me ?

The kicker is, you were lied to that the west was lie-ing. Western media 'looks' for a story in developing stories, and this has an annoying effect of adding drama sometimes, and other times even incorrect reporting. The swine flu was a recent example as it turned out not to be as bad as it could have been - the point is, if it had of turned out that bad then the media's coverage would have been justified. The Global Financial Crisis is another one, locally the government and finance reporters here claimed the end of the world - but it didnt go that way despite the reporting. The Tibet issue was real, and the West covered it because 1. they are concerned about the destruction of Tibetan culture by Chinese occupation and expansion, and 2. were afraid it would get worse. Both those points justified a closer scrutiny by the media.

All your nonesense about the CIA and western brainwashing is actually you being brainwashed by your local media. It didnt, and doesnt happen that way in real life... its just it suits the Chinese government and media to pretend it does.

[I can't think of a name]

Look Plato, yes some media lie. No name papers, gossip papers FLG media lie most of the time if not all the time. That is expected. But during the run up to the Beijing Olympic when the ENTIRE Western MAIN STREAM “Quality” news media join in the band wagon and lie and lie like there was no tomorrow. That is different. Truth was thrown out of the window. The more you lie the better the rewards.
Western news media also dominate the world with offices and reporters station all over the world so they control all the information.
Then add in the CIA/NED funded NGO like reporters without borders, Friend of FLG, Free Tibet movement, VOA …and you literary have the entire West joining in cheering the bashing of all things Chinese and China.

There is an ancient proverb that says. A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth. And now we have brainwashed Western Europeans and North Americans.

Yet there is more. Western Politicians and even top leaders of the West ignored the truth and joined in as well. Top leaders all KNOWS the truth since they have intelligence agents working for them that do not lie. Yet what do they do. Ignore the truth and Threaten China with sanctions and boycott.

And yet you amaze me. Demanding unrestricted access to Tibet with a straight face like all the lies of the past has been forgiven with a pat on the hand. How do you do it? Can you teach me ?

Ignorant Nationalist drivel. The sum of all world media is out to get China and Xinhua and the CCP speak the truth. :roll:

I also find the mythmaking about how powerful the CIA is pretty hilarious. They can hardly keep a secret these days.

[plato]

Look Plato, yes some media lie. No name papers, gossip papers FLG media lie most of the time if not all the time. That is expected. But during the run up to the Beijing Olympic when the ENTIRE Western MAIN STREAM “Quality” news media join in the band wagon and lie and lie like there was no tomorrow. That is different. Truth was thrown out of the window. The more you lie the better the rewards.
Western news media also dominate the world with offices and reporters station all over the world so they control all the information.
Then add in the CIA/NED funded NGO like reporters without borders, Friend of FLG, Free Tibet movement, VOA …and you literary have the entire West joining in cheering the bashing of all things Chinese and China.

There is an ancient proverb that says. A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth. And now we have brainwashed Western Europeans and North Americans.

Yet there is more. Western Politicians and even top leaders of the West ignored the truth and joined in as well. Top leaders all KNOWS the truth since they have intelligence agents working for them that do not lie. Yet what do they do. Ignore the truth and Threaten China with sanctions and boycott.

And yet you amaze me. Demanding unrestricted access to Tibet with a straight face like all the lies of the past has been forgiven with a pat on the hand. How do you do it? Can you teach me ?

Well, I was asking someone else. But, since you are at it. Could you tell me which western reporter who has been to Tibet fabricated fake news? Thanks! That is the reason given by some people why CCP restrict reporters into Tibet, because they make fake news.

[hulaku]

Typically Western-brainwashed view on Tibet!

What I have said comes of my interactions with Tibetians where I live as well as the Tibetians I have met during my visits to McLeodganj (Dharamshala) where His Holiness The Dalai Lama resides as well as the Tibetian Government in exile is headquartered. I have my information straight from the horses mouth. I have met Tibetians who have recently crossed over and they had some sad stories to tell.

As for visiting Tibet foreigners require a special permit to visit and officially in groups by a Government approved travel agent. And with this permit also they are not free to roam around in the countryside and these permits are limited to the main cities like Lhasa. The real Tibet remains well and truly hidden from the world and this is a fact.

Infact the closest foreigners can come to see the real Tibet and Tibetian culture are infact places in Nepal like the Dolpo and the Mustang regions or in India in Ladakh, Spiti and areas of Arunachal Pradesh. These are the last remaining strongholds of Tibetian culture and traditions and it is indeed sad that these exist outside of what is now the Chinese Tibet.

And yes there are no restrictions in going to these places expect areas close to the border and any and all kind of people can go and experience the charm of the Tibetian people at these places.

[cn_habs]

The kicker is, you were lied to that the west was lie-ing. Western media 'looks' for a story in developing stories, and this has an annoying effect of adding drama sometimes, and other times even incorrect reporting. The swine flu was a recent example as it turned out not to be as bad as it could have been - the point is, if it had of turned out that bad then the media's coverage would have been justified. The Global Financial Crisis is another one, locally the government and finance reporters here claimed the end of the world - but it didnt go that way despite the reporting. The Tibet issue was real, and the West covered it because 1. they are concerned about the destruction of Tibetan culture by Chinese occupation and expansion, and 2. were afraid it would get worse. Both those points justified a closer scrutiny by the media.

All your nonesense about the CIA and western brainwashing is actually you being brainwashed by your local media. It didnt, and doesnt happen that way in real life... its just it suits the Chinese government and media to pretend it does.

Naivety at its finest...:) Who's really surprised? Yes, I agree with some of the things that some posters mentioned that they didn't understand/like about China.

Howver, every government has its own agenda and yours is no different than the CCP doing everything at its disposal in order to preserve its influence and dominance.

Besides Ordi and a couple of others here, I doubt enough people know enough about Chinese/Tibetan history and culture to ever understand the real issues here. Whining yet refusing to trying to understand the cultural and historical gap won't get you very far in life.

[cn_habs]

Well, I was asking someone else. But, since you are at it. Could you tell me which western reporter who has been to Tibet fabricated fake news? Thanks! That is the reason given by some people why CCP restrict reporters into Tibet, because they make fake news.

Some so called "unbiased" media with no agenda didn't even need to send reporters to Tibet to publish one-sided reports with false pictures. woot

Everyone has its own agenda. Don't you know that editors are fully aware of what it takes to gain popularity and sell more papers? Private firms aim at making profits first... Nothing is white and black period.

[I can't think of a name]

Besides Ordi and a couple of others here, I doubt enough people know enough about Chinese/Tibetan history and culture to ever understand the real issues here. Whining yet refusing to trying to understand the cultural and historical gap won't get you very far in life.

I bet most westerners know Chinese history better than you do.

You know, we can go to libraries and websites with information on China that are not banned by our governments.

[rkpo]

Whining yet refusing to trying to understand the cultural and historical gap won't get you very far in life.

Whining? The guy asked for an explanation and that's it. Complaining about someone making an informed explanation that you dont agree about is much closer to whining then what I wrote.

Modern democractic governments definatly do not put as much effort into exerting influence and dominance as China does by a long margin.

Calling that post of mine naive is merely just the same line of Chinese propoganda and doesnt really add any new perspective or information does it?

[plato]

Some so called "unbiased" media with no agenda didn't even need to send reporters to Tibet to publish one-sided reports with false pictures. woot

Everyone has its own agenda. Don't you know that editors are fully aware of what it takes to gain popularity and sell more papers? Private firms aim at making profits first... Nothing is white and black period.
Thank you for letting me know something that I didn't already know.

[cn_habs]

I bet most westerners know Chinese history better than you do.

You know, we can go to libraries and websites with information on China that are not banned by our governments.

You should know better than that... Do you think half of them can even point out in Tibet on a map? What is the percentage that know where Afghanistan is? Don't go overboard here. It's not like I am pretending to know Western culture better than most of you do...

[TheMiddlePath]

Ignorant Nationalist drivel. The sum of all world media is out to get China and Xinhua and the CCP speak the truth. :roll:

I also find the mythmaking about how powerful the CIA is pretty hilarious. They can hardly keep a secret these days.


Its already an open secret years ago.

Critics such as Pat Buchanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan) accuse the NED of fomenting revolution and regularly interfering in the affairs of other countries, especially dictatorships and undemocratic regimes.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy#cite_note-5)

NED regularly provides funding to opposition candidates in elections in countries other than the USA. According to Allen Weinstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Weinstein), one of the founders of NED, "A lot of what we [NED] do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA"

[plato]

Its already an open secret years ago.

Critics such as Pat Buchanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan) accuse the NED of fomenting revolution and regularly interfering in the affairs of other countries, especially dictatorships and undemocratic regimes.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy#cite_note-5)

NED regularly provides funding to opposition candidates in elections in countries other than the USA. According to Allen Weinstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Weinstein), one of the founders of NED, "A lot of what we [NED] do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA"

When was the last time the CCP accused NED of interfering in China's affairs?

[cn_habs]

When was the last time the CCP accused NED of interfering in China's affairs?

Isn't that common sense? You hardly ever see offensive statements like that between two nations who need one another.

Facts are still facts period. Don't act as if your government is much better than the CCP. Governments are all the same.

[plato]

Isn't that common sense? You hardly ever see offensive statements like that between two nations who need one another.

Facts are still facts period. Don't act as if your government is much better than the CCP. Governments are all the same.

Yes, facts are facts, and someone's speculation is NOT fact!

I do not act as if my government is better than the CCP. It is much better than the CCP, I don't need to act. Governments are NOT all the same. Are there problems with my government? YES! Many problems if I may add

How is accusing the NED an offensive statement between nations? NED is not part of US government. The CCP can't even accuse it? Or maybe it is because the CCP has NO evidence?

[cn_habs]

Yes, facts are facts, and someone's speculation is NOT fact!

I do not act as if my government is better than the CCP. It is much better than the CCP, I don't need to act. Governments are NOT all the same. Are there problems with my government? YES! Many problems if I may add

How is accusing the NED an offensive statement between nations? NED is not part of US government. The CCP can't even accuse it? Or maybe it is because the CCP has NO evidence?

They still get all the funds from the Congress. :)

Still, did you get my point? It's not the CCP's style to openly make accusations about a specific organization supported and fully funded by the number 1 trade partner who turns out to be the only superpower of the world.

Don't ever estimate Chinese intelligence as I am quite impressed with yours have accomplished in China thus far. If according to the US, Chinese agents were able to steal some state-of-the-art missile technologies, getting the documentation or proof required to prove something so minor should be a walk in the park. It's not like the Congress is going to cut off the funds anyway.

[plato]

They still get all the funds from the Congress. :)

Still, did you get my point? It's not the CCP's style to openly make accusations about a specific organization supported and fully funded by the number 1 trade partner who turns out to be the only superpower of the world.

Don't ever estimate Chinese intelligence as I am quite impressed with yours have accomplished in China thus far. If according to the US, Chinese agents were able to steal some state-of-the-art missile technologies, getting the documentation or proof required to prove something so minor should be a walk in the park. It's not like the Congress is going to cut off the funds anyway.
not getting what you are trying to say here. You might want to read what you wrote and do some editing.

[TheMiddlePath]

When was the last time the CCP accused NED of interfering in China's affairs?


You should know this answer yourself. China only comment on official Government statements or actions. They just kick out NED.

And back to your request for unrestricted access to Tibet for reporters like you. My answer if you have not already figured out is a clear NO WAY.

[Shuimo]

Which Western reporter who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news stories? Can you name one reporter? Thanks!

Don't we know what western media are like when it comes to China coverage, let alone Tibet Autonomous Region?

For a spectacular show of collective Western fake news coverage, just recall Western appalling reporting deeds concerning March 14th riot in Lhasa!


Are there fabricated fake news stories in the West? Yes, there are.

Hmmm, that is all the more necessary for Chinese gov to place particular restrictions concerning western news coverage in Tibet!


But, the restricting of reporters has always been there. It is long before so called "fabricated fake news".

Fabricated fake news is part of the reasons!


China restricts these reporters not for fearing of "fabricated fake news". The CCP fear the truth being reported.
What truth do we fear?
If we fear any truth being disclosed, why not ban all foreigners' travel to Tibet?



As far as the CCP is concerned the more "fabricated fake news" is produced by the West, the easier for them to doctrinate. They WANT the West to "fabricate"! Just more material for them to use in their propaganda.

Oh, are you suggesting that the West is cooperating with the Chinese gov to play games featuring you restrict, I fabricate?
Is the West this naive to fall prey to Chinese gov's tricks?:)



What is the evil influence in Tibetans? Thanks!
Dalailama is trying desperately to paint himself as the representative of so called spiritual leader of Tibetan people when he himself is nothing but the overarching general of an utterly primitve, cruel theocratic regime of old Tibet!:-(

That is evil and unpardonable evil!

[Shuimo]

You show you inability to understand the real issues with posts like this. Nice pics, but bad comprehension skills. Your attempts to paint Tibet are way too heavily juxtapositioned by your idiotic fantasy ramblings about the why Tibetan's have issues - not to mention your trotted out brainwash fed BS about the Dalai Lama. Try again please :)

As a compatriot of Dalailama, I certainly know Dalailama far better than you outsider!

[Shuimo]

Ignorant Nationalist drivel. The sum of all world media is out to get China and Xinhua and the CCP speak the truth. :roll:

I also find the mythmaking about how powerful the CIA is pretty hilarious. They can hardly keep a secret these days.
Define what truth is first plz!

You call it truth really when you libel our Tibetan modernization process as cultural genocide?:roll:

[Shuimo]

What I have said comes of my interactions with Tibetians where I live as well as the Tibetians I have met during my visits to McLeodganj (Dharamshala) where His Holiness The Dalai Lama resides as well as the Tibetian Government in exile is headquartered. I have my information straight from the horses mouth. I have met Tibetians who have recently crossed over and they had some sad stories to tell.

It is very funny for me to hear Dailama addressed His Holiness!
He is nothing but a cheap monk-turned political pedlar!
What Tibetans are you referring to?
You want to have us believe these exiled monority Tibetans spearheaded by Dailailama (or Da-liar-lama) represent the whole of Tibetan people?
That is either naivete or joke!
Dalailama and his clique are far removed from Tibet realities today, and are in no position to speak on behalf of the overwhelming majority of Tibetans living in China today! Their stories of course can hold easy sway in gullile innocent folks like you?


As for visiting Tibet foreigners require a special permit to visit and officially in groups by a Government approved travel agent. And with this permit also they are not free to roam around in the countryside and these permits are limited to the main cities like Lhasa.
It is perfectly reasonable and effective for the Chinese gov to take such measures to keep the bad elements out of Tibet! What is the big fuss?


The real Tibet remains well and truly hidden from the world and this is a fact.
You now suddenly interested in REAL Tibetans?
What is a REAL person?
What is so special about a Tibetan that we need to hide him from being seen by the world?
You are once again a standard brainwashed specimen of brainwashed Westen media reports!



Infact the closest foreigners can come to see the real Tibet and Tibetian culture are infact places in Nepal like the Dolpo and the Mustang regions or in India in Ladakh, Spiti and areas of Arunachal Pradesh. These are the last remaining strongholds of Tibetian culture and traditions and it is indeed sad that these exist outside of what is now the Chinese Tibet.
Thanks for comfirming this! Zang Nan is Chinese territory now occupied by India! That is why you wud find Tibetan culture in so called Arunachal Pradesh!


And yes there are no restrictions in going to these places expect areas close to the border and any and all kind of people can go and experience the charm of the Tibetian people at these places.

To experience Tibetans' charm in India-occupied land of China, that is really sarcastic!

[Shuimo]

I bet most westerners know Chinese history better than you do.

You know, we can go to libraries and websites with information on China that are not banned by our governments.

It does you more harm to take all the trouble to find all the grossly distorted biased information from Western libraries or websites, doesn't it?

[plato]

Don't we know what western media are like when it comes to China coverage, let alone Tibet Autonomous Region?

For a spectacular show of collective Western fake news coverage, just recall Western appalling reporting deeds concerning March 14th riot in Lhasa!



Hmmm, that is all the more necessary for Chinese gov to place particular restrictions concerning western news coverage in Tibet!

Fabricated fake news is part of the reasons!


What truth do we fear?
If we fear any truth being disclosed, why not ban all foreigners' travel to Tibet?




Oh, are you suggesting that the West is cooperating with the Chinese gov to play games featuring you restrict, I fabricate?
Is the West this naive to fall prey to Chinese gov's tricks?:)


Dalailama is trying desperately to paint himself as the representative of so called spiritual leader of Tibetan people when he himself is nothing but the overarching general of an utterly primitve, cruel theocratic regime of old Tibet!:-(

That is evil and unpardonable evil!If it is so spetacular, then can you at least name ONE western reporter who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news about Tibet? You either know or don't know. You could answer : "Mr. Plato, I don't kown, but there are many .....". (btw, even if you don't know, that doesn't mean there aren't any.)

Also, i am just curious. Did you talk to any Tibetans when you were in Tibet. If yes, then what did you guys talk about?

[Shuimo]

If it is so spetacular, then can you at least name ONE western reporter who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news about Tibet? You either know or don't know.

You now know the reputation of CNN among us Chinese due to its fake news stories regarding last year's Lhasa riot?


Also, i am just curious. Did you talk to any Tibetans when you were in Tibet. If yes, then what did you guys talk about?Hhaha, that is for sure!
For a well-experienced and easily-befriended traveler like Shuimo, exchange with local people is a must-lesson for me!

Honestly, I not only talked to a number of local Tibetans as well as many local Han people, but also was invited as guest to homes of some my newly-made Tibetan friends and had a most memorable dinner with a Tibetan family! We talked about everything most candidly, including the political issues involving Dalialama! Then of course March 14th rioting of last year was an inescapable topic during my talk with both local Tibetans and Han folks!

I've also taken many pictures with Tibetan compatriots!

For the sake of privacy, I prefer not to release them here! If you believe me!



Here is a picture featuring household ornaments in the house of a Tibetan family Shuimo visited! (picture taken with the permission of my Tibetan host)
Could you feel any Tibetan touch about it?
http://i34.tinypic.com/2dt4oew.jpg

[plato]

You now know the reputation of CNN among us Chinese due to its fake news stories regarding last year's Lhasa riot?
Hhaha, that is for sure!
For a well-experienced and easily-befriended traveler like Shuimo, exchange with local people is a must-lesson for me!

Honestly, I not only talked to a number of local Tibetans, but also was invited as guest to homes of some my newly-made Tibetan friends and had a most memorable dinner with a Tibetan family! We talked about everything most candidly, including the political issues involving Dalialama!
I've also taken many pictures with Tibetan compatriots!

For the sake of privacy, I prefer not to release them here! If you believe me!

Household ornaments in the house of a Tibetan family Shuimo visited! (picture taken with the permission of my Tibetan host)


Then can you PLEASE share some of your knowledge of CNN's fake stories on Tibet? Please, ONLY ONE if you can. it is ok, if you don't know.

Well, I don't see how it is violating someone's privacy. You don't need to give names or pictures, only what you guys talked about. I myself talked to a Tibetan dentist student in Xian. I will share that experience.

[Shuimo]

Then can you PLEASE share some of your knowledge of CNN's fake stories on Tibet? Please, ONLY ONE if you can. it is ok, if you don't know.

Well, I don't see how it is violating someone's privacy. You don't need to give names or pictures, only what you guys talked about. I myself talked to a Tibetan dentist student in Xian. I will share that experience.
Plato, r u feigning ignorance of what CNN together with many other Western so called mainstream media did with respect to Lhasa rioting last year?

If you know what it means to comapre and contrast through the following pics!
http://times.voc.com.cn/UpLoadFile/2008/3/28/133019780/2.jpg

http://times.voc.com.cn/UpLoadFile/2008/3/28/133019780/5.jpg

[plato]

Plato, r u feigning ignorance of what CNN together with many other Western so called mainstream media did with respect to Lhasa rioting last year?


http://times.voc.com.cn/UpLoadFile/2008/3/28/133019780/2.jpg

No, I am not. I have spent 2 hours on anti-cnn.com. But, I did NOT see ANY :
"fabricated fake news" from CNN. I didn't see any, therefore I am asking you to help us see these "fake news" from CNN

But, the bigger point is that you still havn't answered my question :"do you know any reporter who has been to tibet and fabricated fake news?". Do you know ONE? You can simply cheat by google

[Shuimo]

No, I am not. I have spent 2 hours on anti-cnn.com. But, I did NOT see ANY :
"fabricated fake news" from CNN. I didn't see any, therefore I am asking you to help us see these "fake news" from CNN

But, the bigger point is that you still havn't answered my question :"do you know any reporter who has been to tibet and fabricated fake news?". Do you know ONE? You can simply cheat by google

That is funny!
The CNN has proved to us its capability of reporting fabricated news !
It is not qualified to have unrestricted to Tibet!

You also prove to us what a master of meaning twister you are with yr stupid question!

[plato]

That is funny!
The CNN has proved to us its capability of reporting fabricated news !
It is not qualified to have unrestricted to Tibet!

You also prove to us what a master of meaning twister you are with yr stupid question!


PLEASE show us ONE example of these fake news from CNN about Tibet. ONLY ONE. thanks!

Please name ONE reporter (not just CNN reporters) who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news about tibet, thanks!

[Sakop]

No, I am not. I have spent 2 hours on anti-cnn.com. But, I did NOT see ANY :
"fabricated fake news" from CNN. I didn't see any, therefore I am asking you to help us see these "fake news" from CNN

But, the bigger point is that you still havn't answered my question :"do you know any reporter who has been to tibet and fabricated fake news?". Do you know ONE? You can simply cheat by google
he can't google it! Google is not allowed in China.

In June, a Chinese official accused Google of spreading obscene content over the Internet. The comments came a day after Google.com, Gmail and other Google online services became inaccessible to many users in China.

http://www.*******.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE59L20V20091022

[Shuimo]

PLEASE show us ONE example of these fake news from CNN about Tibet. ONLY ONE. thanks!

The above pic tells you all!


Please name ONE reporter (not just CNN reporters) who has been to Tibet and fabricated fake news about tibet, thanks!
Shuimo not naming one reporter as such has nothing to do with the fact Western media's stinking capability of fabricating fake news coverage about China! Such plain logic should be even clearn to even IQ-insufficient guys!

[Shuimo]

he can't google it! Google is not allowed in China.


http://www.*******.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE59L20V20091022

What a fretful liar!

[plato]

The above pic tells you all!


Shuimo not naming one reporter as such has nothing to do with the fact Western media's stinking capability of fabricating fake news coverage about China! Such plain logic should be even clearn to even IQ-insufficient guys!

What does the above picture tell?

Didn't say in above posts that :"it is ok if you don't know"? Didn't say that the fact that you don't know doesn't mean the Western media doesn't fabricate fake news? You don't know only means that you don't know. IT DOES NOT mean that there is no fabricated fake news about tibet in the west. So, do you know or not know? thanks!

[Sakop]

What a fretful liar!


"This is definitely a warning to Google, as well as other foreign companies," said Xiao Qiang, the founder of China Digital Times. "It is also a strong warning to Chinese netizens. The government is showing its determination to keep the internet under control."

So China Digital Times is also a liar?

[Shuimo]

What does the above picture tell?

Didn't say in above posts that :"it is ok if you don't know"? Didn't say that the fact that you don't know doesn't mean the Western media doesn't fabricate fake news? You don't know only means that you don't know. IT DOES NOT mean that there is no fabricated fake news about tibet in the west. So, do you know or not know? thanks!

If feigning ignorance makes you feel good, go ahead!

[Shuimo]

So China Digital Times is also a liar?

Never heard of!

[plato]

If feigning ignorance makes you feel good, go ahead!
I don't know why it is so hard for you to answer that question since you said there is "spectacular collection of Western fake news".

You can simply say :"I don't know" or "I know, but I don't want to share with you guys".

All I ask is ONE example!

[Sakop]

Never heard of!

Maybe you should Google them....woot

[Shuimo]

I don't know why it is so hard for you to answer that question since you said there is "spectacular collection of Western fake news".

You can simply say :"I don't know" or "I know, but I don't want to share with you guys".

All I ask is ONE example!

I cann't take a horse to drink !

[Macs.]

I cann't take a horse to drink !

1. You are saying CNN is fabricating news.

2. You can't show us one example of CNN fabricating news.

It's pretty laughable.

[Shuimo]

1. You are saying CNN is fabricating news.

2. You can't show us one example of CNN fabricating news.

It's pretty laughable.
Didn't you have eyes to see the pic I presented concerning CNN reports about Lhasa rioting?

[Ordie]

Shuimo,

How was the yak butter tea?

[Sakop]

Didn't you have eyes to see the pic I presented concerning CNN reports about Lhasa rioting?
I see no pictures. just boxes with X

[cn_habs]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8697

If you only knew how to use Google...

[Shuimo]

Shuimo,

How was the yak butter tea?

All I can say is that I've at last sampled the most authentic yak butter tea, which I hit well off upon the first mouthful!rofl It has the taste of milk, sugar, and salt all in one! It is always preserved in a thermost, so that it can be drunken as a hot drink! I really like it!

I recall my Tibetan hosts expressed pleasant appreciation over my liking to this tea! They told me some Han folks from inland just couldn't stomach their first mouthful of a drink!

Their hopitality to me is really touching! They kept replenishing my teacup with such touching coy smiles!

Then , there was the Tibetan madame of the family who played host to my visit commenting to my face that Shuimo was Tziguyi when we were having dinner, setting the whole tableful of folks into such jolly laughters! rofl

I really feel there must be a natural affinity btw me and Tibet!

Now I am back in Beijing, I just feel my recent trip to Tibet seemed a fleetingly wonderful dream that keeps haunting me, so sweet and memorable, and that, I am sure, would always be so!:)

Authentic Tibetan yak butter tea Shuimo had together with my newly-acquainted Tibetan friends!
http://i36.tinypic.com/2s7jhvm.jpg

[cn_habs]

http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20080317-cnn-accused-propaganda-tibet-riots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas&eurl=http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200803b.brief.htm

http://www.mfa.gov.cn/ce/ceun/eng/hyyfy/t417811.htm

Too much ignorance among certain posters on this board. I wonder if there's any unbiased opinion out there.

[Ordie]

unbiased opinion

ox·y·mo·ron:
****unciation: \ˌäk-sē-ˈmȯr-ˌän\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ox·y·mo·rons also ox·y·mo·ra \-ˈmȯr-ə\
Etymology: Late Greek oxymōron, from neuter of oxymōros pointedly foolish, from Greek oxys sharp, keen + mōros foolish
Date: 1657
: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements

[cn_habs]

ox·y·mo·ron:
****unciation: \ˌäk-sē-ˈmȯr-ˌän\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ox·y·mo·rons also ox·y·mo·ra \-ˈmȯr-ə\
Etymology: Late Greek oxymōron, from neuter of oxymōros pointedly foolish, from Greek oxys sharp, keen + mōros foolish
Date: 1657
: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements

LOL...fine but what happened to the facts presented above?

[Ordie]

LOL...fine but what happened to the facts presented above?

Having an opinion is all about confusing the issues with facts (or vice versa).

[Ordie]

Authentic Tibetan yak butter tea Shuimo had together with my newly-acquainted Tibetan friends!
http://i36.tinypic.com/2s7jhvm.jpg

Looks yummy.

I think I'll go to Cafe Tibet in Downtown Berkeley for lunch today.

[Sakop]

LOL...fine but what happened to the facts presented above?
Did you read this?

The image in question had to be cropped to fit the standard story-size image of 292 by 219 pixels used on CNN.com. It was impossible to include both the drama of the crashed vehicle on the left and the protesters on the right in the same crop, but in all cases the image was captioned: "Tibetans throw stones at army vehicles as a car burns on a street in the capital of Lhasa."
seams like they reported the facts and you are selection only a portion of the facts.

[plato]

see post #107 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4500893&postcount=107)

[plato]

see post #107 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4500893&postcount=107)

[plato]

see post #107 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4500893&postcount=107)

[Solvent]

Here is some background information on the picture in question:
http://www.danwei.org/books/lies_truths_and_the_profit_mot.php

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=17453

This has been used to dismiss all other CNN reports on Tibet is just one example of some Chinese "irrationality". NO? Am I being irrational about this irrationality?

If anything this example can barely be categorized as facts presented with bias. Aren't biased facts still facts? Fabrication is NOT fact. Biased fact is NOT fabrication. If you want to claim that the Western media is bias, hey, I can help you. I agree with you!

Doesn't matter you agree or not. Want to have a do-over for last year's stuff. Then enjoy.

http://www.mfa.gov.cn/ce/ceun/eng/xw/t417811.htm

[plato]

Put my previous posts in one:


I cann't take a horse to drink !
You sure didn't take me (a horse) to drink, because you don't have water. You took me to urine instead! Even a horse like me don't like urine, so please don't feed me that stuff again. It is just not nice. That picture from CNN is pure nonsense!

So, you know who these reporters are, and just don't feel like sharing with us? Or, you just have to google some more and come back to us? (I am sure there must be ONE such evil reporter out there) It is perfectly ok if that is the case. It was never a debate about if there are fabricated news in the West (which I said earlier, yes there are fabricated news in the west), it was simply about what YOU know or don't know. The fact that you don't know does NOT mean the West never fabricate news (which we don't know if that is the fact, maybe you do know).

When I think about last years riot I think about these PEACEFUL tibetan students in Beijing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BfZfDm33IPc
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xbTsNu08Xqs

What were these PEACEFUL Tibetan students doing? Sitting there quietly with their heads down? Were they mourning for the innocent Han Chinese who were killed by violent Tibetans? Or were they protesting against the Han Chinese crackdown? We would never know! Do you, Shuimo, want to know? What do you think was going through these young PEACEFUL Tibetan students' mind as they sat there quietly with their heads down? Were they afraid? Were they sad? Were they sorry that their people killed innocent Chinese in the riot? Or was it simply another fabrication from the West? Do you want to know?

You support restricted media access to Tibet, but what about Beijing? The CCP has promised UN-restricted foreign media access to Beijing. Yes? It is obvious in the video that was not the case.

Finally, can you see that video in China. Youtube was blocked when I was in China, but i was able to bypass the great firewall of China to use youtube. Can you do the same? Or is it no longer blocked in China?


Didn't you have eyes to see the pic I presented concerning CNN reports about Lhasa rioting?

How was that an example of fabricated fake news from CNN? The original picture was TOO WIDE, and ALL pictures on CNN's website were in that dimension! It was NOT speically designed for China related picture only:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=17456
The CNN picture is marked by red and the original picture is marked by blue. ALL CNN pictures were and are in the SAME dimension, if a pictue does not fit their dimension, they crop it. Just go to CNN.com now and see it for youself. I post some examples above.

Lastly, the caption was very clear! Do you want to show us what was the caption below that picture in question? The caption was Tibetans throwing rocks at PLA trucks. NO?

I do have eyes, and I saw the same picture as you.

Here is some background information on the picture in question:
http://www.danwei.org/books/lies_truths_and_the_profit_mot.php


Question 2: How does CNN come off?
CNN was accused of having an anti-China bias when Chinese netizens discovered that it had used a cropped photo of a Lhаsa street scene that left out rioters on the right-hand side who were throwing rocks at military vehicles.
As online shorthand to represent anger at western media bias, "Anti-CNN" signatures and websites are understandable, particularly when you realize that netizens adapted the current catch-phrase "Don't behave like CNN!" (做人不能太CNN) from an earlier slogan lambasting CCTV for its underhanded tactics in an early-2007 poll (the slogan was revived for the recent "yellow violence" affair (http://www.danwei.org/internet/mops_yellow_violent_mob_cultur.php)). But what started as an online meme has become an axiom in the discussion of the Lhаsa riots: CNN's reports can't be trusted.
Unfortunately, this book's analysis is just as superficial. Page 39 (shown at right) reproduces two photos of a street scene in Lhаsa. The top one, in which the rock-throwers on the right-hand side have been cropped out, is captioned

The photo at left is from the illustrious Agence France Press and is emblazoned with its logo just in case you didn't know. CNN also used this AFP image. They both cropped it to obscure the truth. After it was cropped, the original scene of rioters attacking a military vehicle now misleads readers into thinking that the army is repressing the people.
The photo was not taken directly from CNN but rather from a forum post (http://www.danwei.org/2008/04/08/JDM080408blog.php) complaining about the cropping (see the watermark in the lower left). And the text, with its gratuitous jab at the AFP's own watermark, is obviously inspired by the commentary in the original post, though the book's editors wisely chose not to reproduce the references to "human scum" in the cropped portion of the picture. Ironically, the "original photo" on the bottom of the page bleeds off the right-hand margin of the book—it ends up as a cropped photo that omits the AFP citation.
Nowhere in the text is CNN's original caption to the cropped photo: "Tıbetans throw stones at army vehicles as a car burns on a street in the capital of Lhаsa" (screengrab (http://www.danwei.org/2008/04/08/JDM080408imagecaption.php) via ESWN).

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=17453

This has been used to dismiss all other CNN reports on Tibet is just one example of some Chinese "irrationality". NO? Am I being irrational about this irrationality?

If anything this example can barely be categorized as facts presented with bias. Aren't biased facts still facts? Fabrication is NOT fact. Biased fact is NOT fabrication. If you want to claim that the Western media is bias, hey, I can help you. I agree with you!

[plato]

Doesn't matter you agree or not. Want to have a do-over for last year's stuff. Then enjoy.

http://www.mfa.gov.cn/ce/ceun/eng/xw/t417811.htm

yeah! enjoy it with a glass of wine: http://www.danwei.org/books/lies_truths_and_the_profit_mot.php

[Solvent]

yeah! enjoy it with a glass of wine: http://www.danwei.org/books/lies_truths_and_the_profit_mot.php

Sure, why not? And have some cheese too.

http://www.matador94.nl/current-events/western-media-fabrications-regarding-the-tibet-riots

[Solvent]

How was that an example of fabricated fake news from CNN? The original picture was TOO WIDE, and ALL pictures on CNN's website were in that dimension! It was NOT speically designed for China related picture only:

That's pathetic excuse. Why didn't they cut another half?

[plato]

That's pathetic excuse. Why didn't they cut another half?
Because I do not like that other half? Speaking of "pathetic excuse". Please don't let me start on CCP's pathetic excuses. We don't want to go there

[plato]

Sure, why not? And have some cheese too.

http://www.matador94.nl/current-events/western-media-fabrications-regarding-the-tibet-riots

I don't know how they do it in China, but in US we sometimes stop violent protesters with sticks, too. Yeah, even by force. Never mind the content of the report, right? China didn't crack down on violent protests? It all stopped on its own? I simply don't see ANY problem with that video. The news was NOT fabricated, it was reported as it was. There were peaceful and violent protests in Tibet and other parts of China, and they were stopped by the CCP. No fabrication here. The video is reall, too, Those are real indian police beating the Tibetan protesters.

The video in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/iB57v0DUGVU

[Solvent]

Because I do not like that other half? Speaking of "pathetic excuse". Please don't let me start on CCP's pathetic excuses. We don't want to go there

We are talking about CNN. Other people's wrongdoing doesn't make what they did right, does it?

If you get anything to say, please do. However, I don't think CCP gives a damn about what you think?

[plato]

We are talking about CNN. Other people's wrongdoing doesn't make what they did right, does it?

If you get anything to say, please do. However, I don't think CCP gives a damn about what you think?

yeah, we are talking about CNN, and I didn't see any wrongdoing by CNN. LOL! I am not even a Chinese citizen, why would the CCP give a damn about what I think. Do I need them to give a damn about me? I think I have already said a lot of things. You don't need to remind me.

[Solvent]

I don't know how they do it in China, but in US we sometimes stop violent protesters with sticks, too. Yeah, even by force. Never mind the content of the report, right? China didn't crack down on violent protests? It all stopped on its own? I simply don't see ANY problem with that video. The news was NOT fabricated, it was reported as it was. There were peaceful and violent protests in Tibet and other parts of China, and they were stopped by the CCP. No fabrication here. The video is reall, too, Those are real indian police beating the Tibetan protesters.

The video and pictures are real. But using it to other people is shameless.

[Solvent]

yeah, we are talking about CNN, and I didn't see any wrongdoing by CNN. LOL! I am not even a Chinese citizen, why would the CCP give a damn about what I think. Do I need them to give a damn about me? I think I have already said a lot of things. You don't need to remind me.

You don't see doesn't mean it is right.

Yes, you are right. You are worthless to give a damn.

[plato]

You don't see doesn't mean it is right.

Yes, you are right. You are worthless to give a damn.

There is really no need for that. Well, anyway...

[Solvent]

There is really no need for that. Well, anyway...

No insult intended.

But do you see the problem here? What I did just interpreted your words in different way. Basically, it's still fit your meaning. But the direction is changed.

[plato]

No insult intended.

But do you see the problem here? What I did just interpreted your words in different way. Basically, it's still fit your meaning. But the direction is changed.

What are you talking about? What problem? I posted the video you mentioned, and people got their own eyes and ear. Let them watch it and decide. You and I don't need to help them! I only expressed what I thought.

[Solvent]

What are you talking about? What problem? I posted the video you mentioned, and people got their own eyes and ear. Let them watch it and decide. You and I don't need to help them! I only expressed what I thought.

Sign.. once again, you didn't get it.

I think people not only need to use eyes and ear, but also brains big time.

Anyway, good day.

[plato]

Sign.. once again, you didn't get it.

I think people not only need to use eyes and ear, but also brains big time.

Anyway, good day.

good day! and maybe I don't have a brain, but i am sure others do. So, let them watch the videos, read the articles and see the pictures.

[Blue P]

good day! and maybe I don't have a brain, but i am sure others do. So, let them watch the videos, read the articles and see the pictures.

collectively?

[plato]

collectively?
collectively what?

[Blue P]

collectively what?

'watch the videos, read the articles and see the pictures'

[plato]

'watch the videos, read the articles and see the pictures'


I am sorry, you have to say more than that. Collectively what "watch the videos...."?

[Ordie]

Shuimo,

Do you recommend the train or airplane to Lasha?

Is there a bus alternative for backpackers?

[Blue P]

I am sorry, you have to say more than that. Collectively what "watch the videos...."?

when choosing the sources of information

[plato]

collectively?


'watch the videos, read the articles and see the pictures'


when choosing the sources of information


Sorry, I still don't know what you are trying to ask me. You are talking to me, a total stranger. So, I really need at least a full sentence from you.

[Solvent]

Shuimo,

Do you recommend the train or airplane to Lasha?

Is there a bus alternative for backpackers?

Depends.

If you are very sensitive to the altitude change, train maybe is a good choice since it takes longer time. Besides the scenery along with the railway is beautiful.

I don't think there is bus available. But if you can find someone carpool with you, driving to Tibet is very fun too.

Edit:
I am sorry. There are buses available too.

http://www.chinahighlights.com/tibet/transportation.htm

[TheMiddlePath]

Tashi Delek


http://www.youtube.com/v/BfyaNj37zgo&feature=related

[cn_habs]

Because I do not like that other half? Speaking of "pathetic excuse". Please don't let me start on CCP's pathetic excuses. We don't want to go there

That just proves the fact that CNN and quite a few others are just as pathetic as CCP-controlled media, manipulating the ignorant readers and listeners the way they want.

The average Joe in the States who doesn't have the vaguest idea about where Tibet is probably thought that the brutal Chinese army is rushing to slaughter the Tibetans whereas the truth is that the trucks are fleeing those gutless murderers whom you qualify as peaceful.

I believe most Chinese posters here have openly admitted that our media are what they are... However, some of you simply don't possess the logical and critical thinking to understand some basic facts.

If you truly think what you have expressed above, then you can calmly live in your own little pathetic utopia. Keep denying the facts even though it's right in your face.

[plato]

That just proves the fact that CNN and quite a few others are just as pathetic as CCP-controlled media, manipulating the ignorant readers and listeners the way they want.

The average Joe in the States who doesn't have the vaguest idea about where Tibet is probably thought that the brutal Chinese army is rushing to slaughter the Tibetans whereas the truth is that the trucks are fleeing those gutless murderers whom you qualify as peaceful.

I believe most Chinese posters here have openly admitted that our media are what they are... However, some of you simply don't possess the logical and critical thinking to understand some basic facts.

If you truly think what you have expressed above, then you can calmly live in your own little pathetic utopia. Keep denying the facts right even though it's right in your face.

Since when did I "qualify" them as peaceful? PLEASE give ONE example of plato doing that. I thank you!

The average Joes in America will definitely have ideas that there was a brutal crack down on Tibetans even if there wasn't one. How else would you expect someone to think when independent media access is BANNED. NOT ONLY Western Media, but ALL Media including HongKong media.

Like I said CNN crop ALL pictures to fit their website, and the caption was very clear. That is all needed to be said about the picture you guys use as "fabricated fake news". Yeah, "spectacular", too.

[cn_habs]

Since when did I "qualify" them as peaceful? PLEASE give ONE example of plato doing that. I thank you!

The average Joes in America will definitely have ideas that there was a brutal crack down on Tibetans even if there wasn't one. How else would you expect someone to think when independent media access is BANNED. NOT ONLY Western Media, but ALL Media including HongKong media.

Like I said CNN crop ALL pictures to fit their website, and the caption was very clear. That is all needed to be said about the picture you guys use as "fabricated fake news". Yeah, "spectacular", too.

What impressions did those average Joes get when they saw the truck pic? It was intended to mislead people and indeed drew more attention from the public. Maybe it's like rocket-science for some ...who knows. :)

Search this forum for peaceful tibet or tibetan. Lots of posters here have insisted to put those terms in the same sentence...

How about the other evidence shown above such as the CNN videos and police brutality in Nepal betrayed as in China?

Or you could just keeping avoiding it. woot

At least the German RTL had the balls to openly admit its errors when they are wrong..

[plato]

What impressions did those average Joes get when they saw the truck pic? It was intended to mislead people and indeed drew more attention from the public. Maybe it's like rocket-science for some ...who knows. :)

Search this forum for peaceful tibet or tibetan. Lots of posters here have insisted to put those terms in the same sentence...

How about the other evidence shown above such as the CNN videos and police brutality in Nepal betrayed as in China?

Or you could just keeping avoiding it. woot

At least the German RTL had the balls to openly admit its errors when they are wrong..
There, you can look at that picture and go nuts over it! Imagine yourself as an average Joe:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=17453

Why should I speak for other people? You made your comments toward me specifically.

Yeah, how about those evidences? Why don't just show them here, and let people see. Nothing changes, there were riots and PEACEFUL protests in Tibet, and the CCP cracked down on them. How brutal was the crack down? We DO NOT know. But, YOU sure DO NOT know if it was or not, either! If anything, the impression of a brutal crack down was caused by the CCP, not the biased Western media!

[cn_habs]

There, you can look at that picture and go nuts over it! Imagine yourself as an average Joe:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=17453

Why should I speak for other people? You made your comments toward me specifically.

Yeah, how about those evidences? Why don't just show them here, and let people see. Nothing changes, there were riots and PEACEFUL protests in Tibet, and the CCP cracked down on them. How brutal was the crack down? We DO NOT know. But, YOU sure DO NOT know if it was or not, either! If anything, the impression of a brutal crack down was caused by the CCP, not the biased Western media!

Your logic amazes me. If they really wanted to crack those burglars and murders down, they would have been ordered to react right away instead waiting for the riots to cool down a bit before going in.

Can't you see other links or is it too much for you to digest and handle? :slap:

rofl