Did Colt really win the IAR competition?

[Caduceus]

I've heard that Colt has won the Infantry Automatic Rifle competition? Is this true?:roll:

[3rdMillhouse]

SFTT.org is gonna go apesh1t over this if it's true.

[budgie]

It was won by the H&K 6.8mm AK-SCAR. I also hear BDP got the new universal camo contract.

[joeyl]

SFTT.org is gonna go apesh1t over this if it's true.


damn when was the last time this site was updated?

[Soldat_Américain]

Did they really? I liked their concept.

[Alpha-17]

I didn't care for either of Colt's entries.

However, where did you hear this Caduceus? Would help in the confirmation process.

[MaverickCowboy]

LINKS!


i would like some. pretty please.

[kodiak22]

I was pulling for colt( i never thought id say that), i liked their concept, and it didn't hurt that it was an American firm also.

[dobrodan]

I was pulling for colt( i never thought id say that), i liked their concept, and it didn't hurt that it was an American firm also.

What concept?

A closed-bolt gas impingement-"MG"?

That wont do you any good...

And being American doesn´t help... Especially not when you get rid of the GOOD concepts, like the LWRC or the Ultimax...

The only decent gun of the last competitors was the FN...

[Shadowstorm]

I don't know if Colt won the IAR competition, but I know the Mexican special forces has some. Here's the picture Mexican sniper carrying a Colt IAR during Mexican Independence Day last month.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8939/610xhb.jpg

[Alpheus]

^^^ Just wondering, how do you know that's a Colt IAR? Apart from the weird looking rail system, it looks like a regular AR-type rifle to me.

[LineDoggie]

Hell of a scope for an Open Bolt firing auto rifle. He must put his cheek on the buttplate to see through the Ocular lens

I've seen Barret M107s with smaller glass

[wildcat]

Hell of a scope for an Open Bolt firing auto rifle.

I've seen Barret M107s with smaller glass

it is a sniper MG.

[Zarak]

A closed-bolt gas impingement-"MG"?

*rage*

123456

[Shadowstorm]

^^^ Just wondering, how do you know that's a Colt IAR? Apart from the weird looking rail system, it looks like a regular AR-type rifle to me.
Well Bravo Juilet and He219 said it was which surprised them because they thought the rifle was in the R&D stage. Also found it out on DefenseViews.com just in case.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4416322#post4416322

http://www.defensereview.com/colt-iar-infantry-automatic-rifle-assault-riflesaw-hybrid-weapon-photos/

[kodiak22]

What concept?

A closed-bolt gas impingement-"MG"?

That wont do you any good...

And being American doesn´t help... Especially not when you get rid of the GOOD concepts, like the LWRC or the Ultimax...

The only decent gun of the last competitors was the FN...



It fires on open bolt for full auto.

[Zarak]

It fires on open bolt for full auto.

You'd think it would, but nope.

"Both of Colt’s weapons fire from the closed-bolt position using a direct gas impingement system, Marine officials said."
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/02/marine_newsaw_020109w/

[Soldat_Américain]

You'd think it would, but nope.

"Both of Colt’s weapons fire from the closed-bolt position using a direct gas impingement system, Marine officials said."
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/02/marine_newsaw_020109w/

Funny as the picture states the Colt 6940 is gas operated and firing from an open bolt...but the 6940H fires from the gas impingement system.


DefenseReview has been informed that Colt IAR doesn’t utilize Colt’s proprietary and patent-pending Gas Regulator Sleeve a.k.a. Gas Impingement Sleeve, which was designed to control the cyclic rate/ROF over the life cycle of the weapon. However, Mr. Hinckley informed us that Colt Defense may add this feature on a future revision of the weapon.

[goat89]

SMGLee... paging SMGLee... :D

[Zarak]

Funny as the picture states the Colt 6940 is gas operated and firing from an open bolt...but the 6940H fires from the gas impingement system.

What picture?

The one that says "Gas; Direct System; Locking Bolt"? Because that explicitly means its a direct impingement system which fires from a closed-bolt.

[Soldat_Américain]

In that article there are two photos in the corner and you only see one, but since I already have it here you go:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1325&pictureid=16294
Edit: nvm, read that wrong

[Zarak]

In that article there are two photos in the corner and you only see one, but since I already have it here you go:


So...that says exactly what I said and makes this entire conversation unnecessary. Nice graphic though.

[Soldat_Américain]

Yeah I went Homer Simpson on that one. However I know SMG Lee has talked about this I just couldn't find the thread. The last one we talked about it is here...and look it's October and it's winding down fast.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=165455

But since this is a military operation and nothing ever goes according to plan expect the replacement to be announced fiscal year 2011. p-)

[Victory]

I sure hope that they didn't win.

-Vic

[SilentType]

DI and closed bolt? Screw that.

FNH IAR on paper looks like the best of the group to me.

[SMGLee]

FN IAR is a sweet gun, it is mechanically operated switching system. it will sense heat build up and a linkage will shift over to turn the gun into a open bolt.. and once the heat subsided, the linkage will shift again to turn the gun back to close bolt..

Colt entry is simple and very robust. that is why Colt IAR has out last the other competition into the final round of selection.

I am hoping that Colt will win the contract...

[Soldat_Américain]

FN IAR is a sweet gun, it is mechanically operated switching system. it will sense heat build up and a linkage will shift over to turn the gun into a open bolt.. and once the heat subsided, the linkage will shift again to turn the gun back to close bolt..

Colt entry is simple and very robust. that is why Colt IAR has out last the other competition into the final round of selection.

I am hoping that Colt will win the contract...
That makes me think the FN would be better.

[SMGLee]

That makes me think the FN would be better.

yes and no, there would be more components to worry about.....

[Dan2004]

What ever happened to this thing?

http://www.colt.com/mil/downloads/Colt_Automatic_Rifle_02.jpg

[Little J]

So what is Colt doing to prevent cook-offs? They are doing something right, not just putting out an m-16 derivative with a different barrel?

[Vince S]

What ever happened to this thing?

http://www.colt.com/mil/downloads/Colt_Automatic_Rifle_02.jpg
Wasn't it actually made by Diemaco? (Now Colt Canada)

[kinney_bmx]

Wasn't it actually made by Diemaco? (Now Colt Canada)
I think Colt Manufactured them too, just different names for the two companies Colt Automatic Rifle here and the Diemaco LSW up with you
Feel free to correct me if Im wrong

Does anybody actually even use them anymore?

[Hollis]

FN IAR is a sweet gun, it is mechanically operated switching system. it will sense heat build up and a linkage will shift over to turn the gun into a open bolt.. and once the heat subsided, the linkage will shift again to turn the gun back to close bolt..

Colt entry is simple and very robust. that is why Colt IAR has out last the other competition into the final round of selection.

I am hoping that Colt will win the contract...


Can you PM me with some diagrams of the operation. I am curious. Is it more a bold hold back system to help in cooling or a true open bolt set up. It would seem to be more complicated. Either build a select fire open or close bolt would be much easier in number of component used. Simpler is always better.

a side note, there is a reason why heavy machine guns are built the way they are. A soldier is taught how to use their weapon. Heat is always a issue. One of the goals of the enemy in a assault is to exhaust your weapon capabilities. This is why fire control is important and to understand fire control. There is a lot more to this, for those wondering.... Go Army. They'll learn you right.

[Vince S]

I think Colt Manufactured them too, just different names for the two companies Colt Automatic Rifle here and the Diemaco LSW up with you
Feel free to correct me if Im wrong

Does anybody actually even use them anymore?

I'm fairly sure I saw videos of Danish Recce and Dutch Marines using it, though those vids might date from a few years back...

Perhaps Danskeren can correct on that

[SilentType]

FN IAR is a sweet gun, it is mechanically operated switching system. it will sense heat build up and a linkage will shift over to turn the gun into a open bolt.. and once the heat subsided, the linkage will shift again to turn the gun back to close bolt..

Colt entry is simple and very robust. that is why Colt IAR has out last the other competition into the final round of selection.

I am hoping that Colt will win the contract...

The FN IAR sounds amazing. Simple is good, but FNH has a well earned reputation for reliable firearms.

[pmj]

these rifles look neat - but the IAR program isn't what it was at the beginning.
Some smart requirements were shelved during the testing:
open-bolt operation - shelved (FN IAR still got it though)
Quick change barrels - shelved ( HK had designed a pretty neat system. Think HK 416 with a barrel that can be removed by simply pushing a button)

The program now asks for something that is more like a heavy barreled assault rifle. The whole thing is now a lot closer to a rifle than a machine gun. Don't know how much suppressive fire is required now - but it's probably quite a bit less than in the beginning.

[SMGLee]

Colt won a four years, $126,089,944.00 M240 contract.

Giving a little back to FN for taking the M16 contract...LOL

Colt's M240 Contract (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=4d321b1b0988c8142b1c2feffd3f7e7a&tab=core&_cview=0&cck=1&au=&ck)

[NCOres]

At first look, the concept of replacing big 5,56 MG with something lighter, maybe rifle - based looks great. Weapon in this caliber can weight much less and still remain controllable in full auto. Only the heating problem to solve and you get a great weapon, smaller and lighter than Minimi. A lot of people liked the old RPKs, and IAR idea looks much better.

I don't know much about the program, so here's some questions:

Why did they got rid of LWRC IAR? Was there something wrong with it (jamms?) or it simply didn't meet the specs somewhere?

All these rifles are magazine fed. If not belt fed... what about the reliability of drum mags fitting STANAG magwell? I've heard there are problems with them. Did they fix it or I've just got bad info?

Why not Ares Shrike - like weapon system? Rifle based, but running on linked ammo? Was it taken into consideration or did they focus on magazine feeding from the beginning?

[REMOV]

According to the Jane's the USMC has selected the H&K HK416-based IAR in the IAR contest.

[kinney_bmx]

According to the Jane's the USMC has selected the H&K HK416-based IAR in the IAR contest.
Damn if this is true, I was rotting for the FN IAR

[Alpha-17]

According to the Jane's the USMC has selected the H&K HK416-based IAR in the IAR contest.

Wait, I thought that H&K's entry was already out, and it was down to the two Colt entries and the FN. Linky please?

[solidarnosc]

According to the Jane's the USMC has selected the H&K HK416-based IAR in the IAR contest.

What's the advantage of a standard HK416 compared to the IAR version and what's now the point of the whole IAR concept. No open bolt, no heavy barrel,....

[pmj]

Remov's information is accurate - This is a post taken directly from the HKpro.com forums. (I hope they don't mind ;) )


Word out just today that HK won the contract to advance into the next phase of this proof of concept effort. Only HK - no other companies. That would include the submission of additional next gen test samples. Performance of the HK416 test samples was deemed vastly superior. At least one protest is expected. Way to go HK416!
G3Kurz For once, SMGLee has been feeding us with with incorrect information - a first :D

[trunk_munkey28]

Remov's information is accurate - This is a post taken directly from the HKpro.com forums. (I hope they don't mind ;) )

For once, SMGLee has been feeding us with with incorrect information - a first :D

[Luke Skywalker] That's.... That's impossiblughhh [/Luke Skywalker]

[solidarnosc]

In today's newsletter of JDW


FNH launches 100-round drum magazine for assault rifles
FNH USA unveiled a new 100-round drum magazine, compatible with 5.56 mm light machine guns (LMGs), at the Association of the US Army (AUSA) exhibition in Washington, DC. Currently in a prototype and evaluation phase, the CL-MAG has been developed in response to user requirements for greater-capacity magazines

For what rifle did they develop this? Wel, a good thing nations across the world are looking for a IAR type weapon...

[samourai]

hello
you can using theCL-MAG for the FN IAR but it is compatible with weapons who use NATO mag.

[pmj]

I guess every company participating in the IAR competition has submitted a high-cap mag to go with their rifle - some designed their own, others used already existing designs. Pure specualtion on my part to be honest :D

[kodiak22]

I guess every company participating in the IAR competition has submitted a high-cap mag to go with their rifle - some designed their own, others used already existing designs. Pure specualtion on my part to be honest :D


I believe that was one of the requirements of the program.

[Alpha-17]

One post makes not truth. I'm waiting until the official word is out.

[kodiak22]

One post makes not truth. I'm waiting until the official word is out.



^^^^ This.

[REMOV]

you can using the CL-MAG for the FN IAR but it is compatible with weapons who use NATO mag.Why? AFAIK the "standard" 150-rounds CL-MAG fits in every M16-type magazine well, isn't it?