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J-10
07-11-2004, 11:22 PM
Talks stem from recent fears of terror attack timed to vote
Sunday, July 11, 2004 Posted: 10:42 PM EDT (0242 GMT)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/11/election.day.delay/story.kerry.bush.1.ap.jpgSen. John Kerry, with running mate Sen. John Edwards, and President Bush are surrounded by supporters on the campaign trail.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials have discussed the idea of postponing Election Day in the event of a terrorist attack on or about that day, a Homeland Security Department spokesman said Sunday.

The department has referred questions about the matter to the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, said spokesman Brian Roehrkasse, confirming a report in this week's editions of Newsweek magazine.

Newsweek said the discussions about whether the November 2 election could be postponed started with a recent letter to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge from DeForest Soaries Jr., chairman of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

The commission was set up after the disputed 2000 presidential vote to help states deal with logistical problems in their elections.

Soaries, who was appointed by President Bush, is a former New Jersey secretary of state and senior pastor of the 7,000-member First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset.

Newsweek reported that Soaries expressed concern that no federal agency had the authority to postpone an election and asked Ridge to ask Congress to give his commission such power.

Ridge warned Thursday that al Qaeda terrorists were planning a large-scale attack on the United States "in an effort to disrupt the democratic process." (Full story)

Ridge said he had no specific or credible information about threats to the political conventions. The four-day Democratic convention kicks off July 26 in Boston, Massachusetts, and the Republican National Convention begins August 30 in New York City.

Ridge also said the nation's color-coded terrorist threat level would remain at yellow, or elevated.

Democratic Rep. Jane Harman of California, ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday that she believes planning for the possibility of postponing Election Day is "excessive, based on what we know."

"Six days ago, the leadership of the House and Senate intelligence committees and leadership of the House and Senate were briefed on these so-called new threats," Harman said on CNN's "Late Edition."

"They are more chatter about old threats, which were the subject of a press conference by Attorney General [John] Ashcroft and [FBI] Director [Robert] Mueller six weeks ago.

"[Ridge] sounded more like an interior decorator talking about what more we can do under the shade of yellow," she said.

The news that such discussions have taken place raised other eyebrows on Capitol Hill as well.

"I don't think there's an argument that can be made, for the first time in our history, to delay an election," said Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, a member of the Intelligence Committee.

"We hold elections in the middle of war, in the middle of earthquakes, in the middle of whatever it takes. The election is a statutory election. It should go ahead, on schedule, and we should not change it."

But the Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Christopher Cox of California, said on "Late Edition" that he sees Ridge's request as part of a prudent effort to plan for "doomsday scenarios."

"We don't have any intelligence to suggest that it is going to happen, but we're preparing for all of these contingencies now," Cox said.

Noting that New York election officials were able to postpone their September 11, 2001, primary election after terrorists slammed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center, Cox said "there isn't any body that has that authority to do that for federal elections."

"So what Secretary Ridge has asked the Justice Department to do is, 'Give me a legal memo, tell me what will be necessary. Do we need to go to Congress and get legislation?' "

What has Homeland Security officials worried is that terrorists could attempt to disrupt the election in the same way that train bombings in Madrid created unrest three days before the Spanish general election, Roehrkasse said.

Although there is no evidence that the bombings influenced the March 11 vote, socialist Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero unseated Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, whose center-right government supported the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

The country's new government then pulled Spanish troops from Iraq.
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/11/election.day.delay/index.html)

Truthsayer
07-11-2004, 11:23 PM
"And with fear of terror we will keep the people down and nation gathered."

Beowulf
07-11-2004, 11:28 PM
"And with fear of terror we will keep the people down and nation gathered."

STFU

Truthsayer
07-11-2004, 11:29 PM
"And with fear of terror we will keep the people down and nation gathered."

STFU

I'm sorry if I mistook this for a discussion-forum, where...most people could state their opinion, as long as it wasn't racial remarks.

Please direct me to the rules so I don't accidently upset you again, dear sir.

Beowulf
07-11-2004, 11:31 PM
"And with fear of terror we will keep the people down and nation gathered."

STFU

I'm sorry if I mistook this for a discussion-forum, where...most people could state their opinion, as long as it wasn't racial remarks.

Please direct me to the rules so I don't accidently upset you again, dear sir.

smartass...

mocking_loudly_died
07-11-2004, 11:33 PM
"And with fear of terror we will keep the people down and nation gathered."

STFU

Steamed tomatoes featuring urine, yes please! ;)

Truthsayer
07-11-2004, 11:36 PM
"And with fear of terror we will keep the people down and nation gathered."

STFU

I'm sorry if I mistook this for a discussion-forum, where...most people could state their opinion, as long as it wasn't racial remarks.

Please direct me to the rules so I don't accidently upset you again, dear sir.

smartass...



Posts, threads, and users who don't follow these rules run a high risk of being deleted. The first one to start using profanity or insults in an argument loses. If you can't win with intelligence and knowledge, then these forums are the wrong place for you.


;)


Btw, if I'm at all wrong, then just say so. Post well-thought out argument for your argument.

Seeing the amount of flames the spanish got for their withdravel from Iraq following the election, is it really a big chance the american population woul 'swing that way', or is this exactly what the conservatives are afraid off?

I do however fail to see how a change of dates would stop any terrorist-attack. And given the laws consearning elections you still have to set an date so far in advance that any change will negate any surprise-effect on the terrorists-to-be.

Beowulf
07-11-2004, 11:39 PM
Der Furher: 8 million, IDF: 0


Truthsayer's credibility=0

Truthsayer
07-11-2004, 11:41 PM
Der Furher: 8 million, IDF: 0


Truthsayer's credibility=0

Faking posts are we, nice.

(Hint: It was a qoute from another forum-user, not something I wrote.)



STFU

Beowulf credability=0

And as a MOD you really should aim higher.

Beowulf
07-11-2004, 11:46 PM
Der Furher: 8 million, IDF: 0


Truthsayer's credibility=0

Faking posts are we, nice.

(Hint: It was a qoute from another forum-user, not something I wrote.)



STFU

Beowulf credability=0

And as a MOD you really should aim higher.

thought it was you...it's since been deleted so I can't double check...

Beowulf
07-11-2004, 11:46 PM
I'm just messing with you anyway..taking the piss so to speak..

mocking_loudly_died
07-11-2004, 11:47 PM
Still waiting on my tomato.

Fintin
07-11-2004, 11:49 PM
i rule in favor of b...he is drunk...and the other guy is an ass...


can they do that...i thought you couldnt change the election day...its that day through the constitution...it seems like you would need a congress vote on it

Beowulf
07-11-2004, 11:51 PM
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Beowulf
07-12-2004, 12:06 AM
i rule in favor of b...he is drunk...and the other guy is an ass...


can they do that...i thought you couldnt change the election day...its that day through the constitution...it seems like you would need a congress vote on it

plus...if i was lying why aren't my pants on fire?....that's what I thought.

usa320
07-12-2004, 01:12 AM
good job beo...

:bash:

obd
07-12-2004, 01:17 AM
Jeez, just imagine if the Bush administration appointed idiot on the elctions committee postponed elections.......Al Queda a threat to the democratic process....PLEASE SPARE ME!!! If anybody is a threat to the democratic process its Bush and his cronies......Let me guess: Up until November 2, we are gonna hear alot more about vague terror threats to pull the nation away from whats really important......When are people going to wake up and realize we are being played like a fiddle by the Bush administration...........I dont even pay attention to those stupid terror alerts.....they havnt been green since 9/11....what are we suppossed to do? Live in fear....**** that!

America has its own Taliban movement: They are called social conservatives, they come from the Christian right, and Bush is thier leader.....

FallenAngel
07-12-2004, 02:56 AM
Jeez, just imagine if the Bush administration appointed idiot on the elctions committee postponed elections.......Al Queda a threat to the democratic process....PLEASE SPARE ME!!! If anybody is a threat to the democratic process its Bush and his cronies......Let me guess: Up until November 2, we are gonna hear alot more about vague terror threats to pull the nation away from whats really important......When are people going to wake up and realize we are being played like a fiddle by the Bush administration...........I dont even pay attention to those stupid terror alerts.....they havnt been green since 9/11....what are we suppossed to do? Live in fear....f*** that!

America has its own Taliban movement: They are called social conservatives, they come from the Christian right, and Bush is thier leader.....

Given what happened in Spain and the result it had (ie- the spineless winner pulling troops out of Iraq) I think the assumption that the same would apply to America would motivate some terrorists into making the attempt.

Bush, conservatives, Christians (who, by definition, would be 'conservative' if they are not hypocrits themselves), etc. are damned either way aren't they? If they take precautions, leftist like you scream conspiracy and propaganda. If they don't and terrorists DO attack, I can bet leftists like yourself would be the first to criticize Bush's lack of action to prevent such an attack.

Given the options, I agree with erring on the side of caution. It may be a false alarm- yes. But what if it isn't? I think saving lives is worth the slander people like you like to spew out for attention.

StarvingStudent47
07-12-2004, 05:27 AM
When this nation was facing foreign invasion, we still managed to have elections on-time (1812).

When this nation was wracked by civil war, we still managed to have elections on-time (1864).

When this nation was enduring the largest, most apocalypic war the world has ever seen, we still managed to have elections on-time (1944).

I think everyone here knows I am a very centrist individual. Not a Bush-lover, but certainly no anti-Bush psycho either. And everyone knows that I am fiercely patriotic. But if ANY president EVER cancels or "postpones" elections, then quite frankly, I think Jefferson may have given us some guidance: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

This is not a direct threat (as I assume some government individual somewhere is reading this, I feel the need to add a disclaimer). I am not a violent individual and I do not own any firearms, explosives, et cetera. But I think we seriously need to consider what the Founding Fathers wanted America to be before we even THINK of POSSIBLY delaying an election. Throughout all America's trials and tribulations, we have NEVER done this before.

Freibier
07-12-2004, 08:06 AM
This story smells fishy.

2Sheds_Jackson
07-12-2004, 11:45 AM
IMHO, as with many things in politics, I'd guess that this is being considered for effect, not its actual implementation. If the Ts know that there is a plan & mechanism in place to conduct an orderly postponement of elections, it greatly diminishes the impact that any attack would have - thus also diminishing the likelihood of that attack.

Saying that the US has suffered through previous wars without postponing elections misses the point. You could also say that we suffered through previous wars without the F-15, but nobody would recommend that we get rid of them. Communications & mass media being what they were - there was a time when it was simply impossible to even consider a nationwide election delay.

It's all about perceptions & preparation. If the Ts see an opportunity to create great disruption, they will take it if they can. But there are always risks for them...if we can reduce the risk to benefit factor, they may not find it worthwhile.

For any western nation to not have some kind of plan of this nature in place would be irresponsible. Elections are important & violence works. Spain is of course the most recent example. There has to be a plan in place to ensure violence doesn't dictate the outcome of elections. I don't like to see the system changed like this...but we are faced with certain realities - it does no good to pretend otherwise. Unless somebody can come up with some other ingenious way to defuse the terrorist threat to elections, this may be the best (and maybe only) tool we have. My .02

Mark Sman
07-12-2004, 01:28 PM
"I don't think there's an argument that can be made, for the first time in our history, to delay an election," said Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, a member of the Intelligence Committee.

Thats funny, considering what the ninth circuit tried to do in her state. The facts have never been her long suit though.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/09/15/state1319EDT0083.DTL


Besides which, we've delayed elections in the US because of terrorism before. Oh how quickly we forget.
http://www.canarsiecourier.com/News/2001/0920/OtherNews/017.html
http://www.citylimits.org/content/articles/articleView.cfm?articlenumber=278



Not only the US.

Roy trapped by Foot and Mouth

On 23rd March, the Liberal Party wrote to Tony Blair to ask that the local and general elections be postponed because of the Foot and Mouth epidemic, which was hindering the delivery of election literature, canvassing and the nomination of candidates in rural areas.

A case in point was Roy Collins, one of our council candidates in Devon, who was unable to leave his farm and deliver his nomination papers for fear of bringing the disease back onto the farm and passing it on to his herd of dairy shorthorn cattle.

The Liberal Party letter was circulated to the press and calls to postpone the elections increased in number and intensity. In the end, the Government relented and delayed the elections for five weeks. And our Roy is now nominated!
http://www.liberal.org.uk/ln/83/

Deuterium
07-12-2004, 01:36 PM
"I don't think there's an argument that can be made, for the first time in our history, to delay an election," said Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, a member of the Intelligence Committee.

Thats funny, considering what the ninth circuit tried to do in her state. The facts have never been her long suit though.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/09/15/state1319EDT0083.DTL


Besides which, we've delayed elections in the US because of terrorism before. Oh how quickly we forget.
http://www.canarsiecourier.com/News/2001/0920/OtherNews/017.html
http://www.citylimits.org/content/articles/articleView.cfm?articlenumber=278



Not only the US.

Roy trapped by Foot and Mouth

On 23rd March, the Liberal Party wrote to Tony Blair to ask that the local and general elections be postponed because of the Foot and Mouth epidemic, which was hindering the delivery of election literature, canvassing and the nomination of candidates in rural areas.

A case in point was Roy Collins, one of our council candidates in Devon, who was unable to leave his farm and deliver his nomination papers for fear of bringing the disease back onto the farm and passing it on to his herd of dairy shorthorn cattle.

The Liberal Party letter was circulated to the press and calls to postpone the elections increased in number and intensity. In the end, the Government relented and delayed the elections for five weeks. And our Roy is now nominated!
http://www.liberal.org.uk/ln/83/

Grand Slam my boy!! Great find.

Mark Sman
07-12-2004, 01:38 PM
The part about the UK I included because it showed an election delayed due to circumstance. Obviously not terrorism. But when I reread what I typed it was kind of ambigous.